If watercolor paintings are harder to create than oil paintings then why are they so devalued by the general public compared to oils??
>>7846082They look uglier than oils
Watercolor doesn't last as long as oils and people have a general misconception of watercolors because the only watercolors they've personally seen are shitty pan palettes from Crayola or essentially Temu.
>>7846082most people have really bad experience with watercolors. shitty cellulose paper, low pigment paints. usually they'll see watercolor paintings in children's books. watercolor painting is also a lot easier to travel around withopaque paintings, whether they be oil or tempura, are the paintings of old masters so people have this conception that these are harder to make. in some ways they are because they also take a lot of set up and you can spend months on a single oil painting technically you can do the same with very high quality watercolor, but that's less common
Cost of materials and drying time. Collectors think cost of materials = worth more from a mid level auction point of view. They also aren't very archival compared to oils but that's thinking centuries ahead. Oils are a massive pain in the ass because of the months of drying time. Imagine your hard drive full of merc wips but they take up 24 inches a piece in your primary painting room
I dunno. Tradition? Maybe the visible 3d texture helps it feel less like a print?Anyway, I’m not switching acrylic was wack and I value my health
>>7846082Oil is simply better. You can paint on any canvas and it won't fade for years unlike watercolors. For an entire pad of Arches, you can buy an entire box of canvas or do it yourself.
I love watercolour but its great for sketchy, illustrative, quick, stylicised works, not big, detailed, refined, longtime, 95-100% realistic works, those will usually look dull in watercolour.It's value for time and effort if you think about how general public values it. You can make a quick watercolour painting in 30 minutes and sell it for 50-100 EUR. You can churn out multiple pieces every day and the best get sold.
>>7846082Watercolour's charm is it's distinctive look - there are some painters out there who are masters of watercolour who can paint with it so well, it ends up looking like oils... but why wouldn't you just paint with oil, at that point?Anyway, watercolour has a distinctive look, but that look is messy and sketchy, as the anon above said. I think the general public has a stronger preference for the cleaner, more controlled look of oils.There is also something to be said about the "wow factor" that impasto gives paint like oils, that texture is really pleasing and gives a 3D effect that can't be captured even in photos.Watercolour looks better in person as well, with the texture of the paper and paint being noticeable, but it's far more subtle - it doesn't have that "wow factor" that the other paints have.Also, watercolours have a far easier entry point, so most everyone has tried them. I think that easier entry point devalues their image a bit - people don't talk about pencil drawings in particular high esteem either, do they? I'd say that's also because of the easy entry point.The easier a medium is to get into, the less respect that medium gets, even if skill is a major barrier for good work.
>>7846082>harder to createnigga, since when is effort put into something a measure of its value? You got asian kids playing the piano since before they can walk, 12 hours a day, and they'll never get a fraction of the attention or money some hoodlum gangbanger coming out of prison who just happens to pick up a mic and spew unintelligible shit to a crappy "sampled" rhythm.
>>7846082because the pigment is exposed and fades incredibly fast in tintsturner is not just the most celebrated watercolorist, but the most celebrated english artistall his watercolor paintings are yellow
>>7846082the general public loves watercolors, it's (((collectors))) that don't buy themthe general public also isn't going to spend $300 on a painting, let alone thousands
>>7846082it's very easy to suck in watercolor
>>7849760also, I should say that watercolor WAS an extremely fugitive medium until very recently, like mid 2000s, but is alright nowthe boomers were still telling people to buy alizarin crimson and rose madder genuine into the 2000s, and like I said, watercolor is more prone to fading compared to oil because the pigment is laid bare, tints are exponentially more prone to fading for the same reason, and then you compound all that by ubiquitousness of extremely fugitive pigments and you get paintings that fade in literal months if they're badly placednowadays it's fine if you research the pigments you're using, but still isn't gonna last as long as oil
>>7849788>but still isn't gonna last as long as oilWho's concerned about their work lasting forever? That's the concern of the buyer or owner.Crying about my painting on the fridge fading, mum? That's your problem, not mine!And how could you hang an oil painting on the fridge anyway? That'd look stupid.
>>7846082Watercolour is best for quick works, also it is a kids first paint
>>7846082cuz everybody uses it in primary school, so they have a mental image of watercolour as something only children use to paint
>>7846082>If watercolor paintings are harder to create than oil paintingsFalse premise. They're easier. You can get something that looks aesthetically nice from WC a lot easier than oils. The skill ceiling for any artform is high as fuck but anyone can do WC on their kitchen table and clean everything up before dinner. They're also associated with cheap shit like magazine illustrations and classic childrens' books. Readers' Digest and Peter Rabbit and so on.
>>7846082I find oil a lot more hard to work with than watercolors, long ass drying times, need a jar of potentially toxic and flammable solvent
>>7850137none of that makes it harder, just mildly annoying>this is so hard, I had to take a break and there's a common household liquid in a bucket that I'm irrationally scared of???not that I'd say watercolor is particularly "harder" (tempera is the actually difficult medium), but oil is basically the photoshop of trad media, it's the single most forgiving, flexible and powerful medium, every other medium carries additional hurdles
>>7850393Yea michelangelo famously thought oils were a sissy medium lol. There's all kinds of other mediums that exist too and are hard as fuck but they don't have the same prestige because market cap of a medium is mostly unrelated to the characteristics of the medium itself.Acrylic is harder than oils for a lot of reasons (inb4 someone tries to argue against this), encaustic requires working with heat tools, dextrin-based poster colour is harder to use than gouache because it gets fucked up rather than blending if rewet, enamels are the domain of sign/car painters and model makers, and so on.
>>7850425Didn't mike think painting in general is too easy and real men sculpt or did I make that up
>>7846082All the technology in the world and there´s no single digital art program that can at least emulate the watercolor brushes>just download watercolor brushes brooNot the same, the lack the texture and that shiny, glossy wet effect on watercolors
>>7850737no and no, that's the misattributed statement about oil specificallyhe said that oil, not painting, is a medium for women and dullards in response to a collaborator preparing an oil painting surface instead of a tempera surface in an attempt to show him how great oil ismichelangelo tore it down and cut all contact with him, and that's what got misconstrued into the "painting is for women" thing, when michelangelo was actually saying that only retards and women (retards) use oil because they're too dumb for tempera
>>7850737>>7850778although he did consider sculpting to be a higher form of art, but that's unrelated to the man/woman remark
>>7846082I use watercolor for its nutritional value. I can sculpt in oils all day, but it's like a novella to a haiku. That said, I don't like many watercolorists and their "alive" paintings. Benji is one of very few exceptions.
>>7851164No clue what you're trying to say, but you sound profoundly gay.
>>7851752Thank you, you sound really gay without even trying.
>>7851164I lost a lot of weight eating watercolor.
>>7851874You should try lead white.
>>7851752That is because you are profoundly retarded and gay.
>>7852088like knows like, you profoundly gay retard
>>7852107We have speedrun to "nou" in one reply.
Watercolor art's quality is proportional to the degree you're willing to let the paint/water run heavy, but this makes it exponentially harder. People are usually too cowardly to let the art medium lead the way, even if doing so leads to significantly better results.
>>7852110>nooooo you can't no u my no u only I get to no u>t. gay retard (profound)
>>7852119There is nothing gay about the basic deconstruction of a metaphor or learning to read. You want everything to be gay. You are gay and you want to tell it to the world.
>>7852127>[gay retardation profoundness intensifies]
>>7852132This is gay.
>>7852127You want him to be gay because you want a boyfriend. Because you're gay.
>>7852136you said this instead of that, therefore you were calling your post gay
>>7852137Actually no, in fact, you are gay. I have proof.
>>7852141>I have proof.More like prolapsed poof.
>>7852152I have a 10 page docier that says you've taken several flights to pen island... to do "watercolors".
>thread about watercolors>devolves into gays flirting with eachotherChecks out
>>7852273Hey it ended on watercolor.
>>7846082Best paintings in the world are made in oil. Oil painting also comes with a higher learning curve, & last longer than watercolor. The downside is oil paintings take longer to dry & are messier than acrylic & watercolor.
>>7852978>Oil painting also comes with a higher learning curveI'd say this is sort of debatable. Getting into oils is, for sure, more difficult than getting into water colours, but I'd say that once you have a grasp of how to paint in oils, you'll have an easier time than you would with watercolour, as you're able to paint over your mistakes and have a greater confidence in the end result of your strokes (the colours will be what you expect, and the paint won't bleed out in unpredictable ways).I believe there are also quick drying oil paints? I'm not certain on that, as it's been many years since I've tried oils - I should really get back into them, as I agree they're a more impactful medium than watercolours, regardless of difficulty.
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>>7853175Honestly though, you could do the same image with how men/women enjoy social media>Woman:"Oh, that's a nice painting. Liked!">Man:"OH MY LORDY, IS THAT A GOODESSS NEXT TO A PAINTING, SHE IS SO TALENTED, AND SO INCREDIBLY HOT, DOES SHE HAVE A PATREON SO I MAY SUPPORT HER, OR EVEN BETTER, AN ONLYFANS!?"These women wouldn't be posing in every photo if (desperate) men didn't didn't belittle themselves by cumming in their pants at the visage of even the most average girl.Women wouldn't join OF if there weren't hoards of fucking losers willing to throw their money at them.
>>7853159There are also watersoluable oil paints, mr. parantheticals and hyphen.
>>7852978>Oil painting also comes with a higher learning curveBullshit.
>>7853350he's kinda right if go by rembrandt and similar problem is, nobody paints like rembrandt anymore, the modern process has been stripped down to its basics and is very approachable
