How long should I wallow as a permaprebeg before giving up and killing myself?

>>7852774
Well, immediately.

You never leave permabeg, that's why it's called permabeg.

>>7852775
Can the person making the claim to be mistaken?

>>7852794
If you've been a beg for over a year of practice, it's self-evident.

are art classes for adults at my community college worth attending? will they bully me?

>>7852774
The concept of permabeg only exists in this hell called /ic/
In real world, if you can't make art as your main source of income (aka become a profissional) you can always enjoy art as a hobby and keep improving at your on pace

>>7852768
immediatel

>>7852811
What do I tell my mommy?
>>7852850
No I should die.

For pro artists, is it easier to go from traditional to digital or the other way around?

>>7852768
I want to draw but I don't know what to draw...

Okay how much time should be spent on a piece. What's the average from beg to pro? I feel like the thing that's holding me back is the discipline to finish an illustration but I can't tell when to stop refining or perfecting the draft.

>>7853033
A workday or so, I guess, 6-8 hours.

You can spend weeks polishing something, but it's 90% done the first day you stop planning and start drawing.

what's it like being good at art?

>>7852850
That's retarded. He's talking about skill you are talking about livelihood.

How do you guys actually come up with ideas to draw? My creativity has dried up. I used to come up with them a ton but I genuinely can’t remember where I’d get them.

>>7852939
Thats like asking if getting kicked in the nuts or giving birth hurts more. Its entirely person to person and nobody has done both to compare

>>7853283
I just keep making fanart for the same eroge and if I need an idea I play that game some more. or if all else fails draw hatsune miku again

>>7852845
>are art classes for adults at my community college worth attending? will they bully me?

If you're there to work-- you attend class regularly, on time, and you put effort into your homework, nobody will bully you. In fact, you will shine. In my recent experience: the class began with 18 people or so, by the end about 7 were showing up. On any given day, about a third of them wouldn't have made any attempt at the homework, and a few will have spent less than 30 minutes at it. Most that attend will be on time, a few will show up whenever. Those same few will leave to use the bathroom, and return 60 minutes later, if at all. If you are a determined student, you're frankly a welcome relief to the instructor, regardless of skill.

You'll get practice drawing large and with charcoal. If you're lucky and have some determined fellow students, you may learn some thing from their own attempts. As for instruction, some teachers are pretty hands off with the introductory classes. I'd say you'll benefit most from the structure of the class, producing regular large and mostly finished works. If this is something you can manage at home, you can probably save yourself the cost. There are instructors that are rigorous. Look up the class schedule and go meet the instructors, see what students are doing, look at what work is around. They'll probably be fine with you just showing up for a look around, but it is easy enough to email beforehand.

Outside the class, on the walls of the art dept. I'd see work go up and come down regularly. There were a variety of paintings that weren't very impressive. There were also some large charcoal drawings: portraits, animals, that were surprisingly expert.

Anyway, my experience from one intro class.

>>7852768
I live in a country where porn is banned by old outdated colonial laws, but I really want to draw porn, even if I don't make money off of it. What is the likelihood that some bozo on the internet will report me to MY authorities and get me jailed? Say I post on twitter where my location is already exposed by default. Is this a possibility?

>>7853519
Use a VPN you don't need to leak your location just to post art

>>7853519
No one cares about you.

>>7852768
Is connecting my iPad as a second screen for my computer and then drawing on my iPad viable? Obviously it's not recommended but I still want to know if I can use what I have.

>>7852768
How do you shade?

>>7852768
Do I have to be able to draw boxes and cylinders in 3d space perfectly before starting to learn how to construct anatomy in 3d?
Do I need to know how to perfectly rotate a box before moving on the next phases?

>scribble my entire life, chris chan tier
>stop drawing when i enter uni (2018)
>don't pick up art until many years later (2023)
>only draw for a few months
>start seriously studying in 2024
>draw every single day
>improve, though i'm still shitty
>don't draw at all in 2025
>been drawing consistently since the start of the year
it's okay to tell people i've only been drawing for two years right

are there any good guides on drawing heads other than loomis's?

probably belongs in the water cooler talk itt, but i’ve been drawing for a very niche part of a fandom for maybe two and a half years now, and thing are happening pretty much right now that are suddenly making people extremely interested in it, even down to the specifics, and this interest will die out to nothing and the series will become a forgotten relic again after maybe half a year.

ok, now i’m sitting on all of these shit fandom sketches i’ve never shown to anyone else. [they’re shit because i’m improving so quickly after letting myself get extremely rusty at anatomy.] This means that everything i’ve drawn even a few canvases back looks pretty terrible, and it almost hurts to look at, let alone show other people.
but i love this fandom so much i want them to have the art, but it’s like my nightmare to put any of it out there, because there’s no way it won’t be associated with me down the line even if i somehow posted anonymously, my style’s too recognizable, and this niche is too small.

just blogging itt, i guess, because i really am not on any social media, i just draw a lot. i don’t think there’s an answer. the timing is now, when other people would really care, but i just don’t feel ready yet or comfortable with posting any of this stuff. tldr, sorry.

>>7854027
If you really want them out, throw them in bulk, lots of drawings in the same image so people have to do extra work to save a single one of them
Also follow them with a corny text like "doodles" or "sketches"

>>7852939
every pro artist I know started with trad.

>>7853641
Would be good if you could ask something more specific or at least say what kinds style you're going for. is this about the colors? hard vs soft edges? placement? hatching?

>>7854027
Everybody starts out posting shit art. You're art's never going to get good, it can always get better, it never stops. At no point are you going to look at it and say to yourself 'this is good enough'. No matter how good you get, you will never be happy with your own work.

At some point you have to realize that the art isn't for you, the drawing is. The art is for the audience, and they're happy to get just about anything.

>>7854027
>been drawing for a very niche part of a fandom
>sitting on all of these shit fandom sketches i’ve never shown to anyone else
Well you're not really drawing for a "fandom" if you've never posted any of it.
>almost hurts to look at, let alone show other people
>love this fandom so much i want them to have the art
Doesn't add up. Do you or do you not want to show it to other people? Do you believe it's actually bad or just recognize that you're being particularly harsh on yourself where others would not?
>it’s like my nightmare to put any of it out there, because there’s no way it won’t be associated with me down the line
>i really am not on any social media
So it shouldn't even matter then? Hell, in cases like these people tend to worry about others finding out you're into that thing at all rather than the fact that your drawings didn't always look good.
>when other people would really care
Can't really gauge it since I don't know what you're talking about specifically, but I have a feeling they wouldn't actually care a whole lot about some sketches. And if it won't make any real impact there's no need to rush it - those with more than a passing interest in the thing in question will stick around long enough to see them even if you only share when it's "dead" again.

And couldn't you just post the ones you consider good enough? Maybe redraw or polish a few.

>>7854031
this one never occurred to me, it’s definitely a good idea to think about, thanks.
i was kind of feeling the closest i might come to being tempted is what pixiv does with the ability to just throw down a long sequential sheaf of low effort sketches as a single entry, and maybe doing a bunch of these.

>>7854035
i need to print this this post as a bumper sticker, really, just so i can stare at it every day. this has notoriously been the most difficult truth about art for me to just live by since the beginning. but yes, you’re exactly right.


..replied ^ first since a few anons were cool and surprised me with responses, but i was going to toss this after my first post because i guess i felt like i needed to talk about this way too much, tonight. had written:
>>7854027
oh yeah. just an add, more than half of my sketches would probably be considered moderately toxic, from what you all say social media is doing these days. i forget about this since it’s not a consideration if you keep your art to yourself. maybe i’d get killed by some of the fans and banned soon after, lol. no idea what i’d do there. the toxic content is nearly at the level of being cannon though, but yeah.
i’ll get back to work, now.

is the paid version of headmodelstudio app on ios worth using and studying from? the head tilt/camera angle, various levels of anatomy features, and variable lighting seems really fucking useful to do studies from.

>>7854038
> Well you're not really drawing for a "fandom" if you've never posted any of it.
no, you’re right, said this to myself too, but not sure how to phrase that. drawing…fandom content, maybe?
>Doesn't add up,
i don’t want to actively show it to other people, i just want the niche fans i love who’re parched for lack of content to magically find the art in their feeds while the artist has somehow managed to keep from recognizably existing. you see why i like it here, maybe, heh
>So it shouldn’t
No you’re right, I never did mention I want to post content to this fandom when I get over my rustiness, and these past sketches have mostly been a light feeling out as to how these characters and things even work, and coming to understand their personalities. it’s not just the skill that’s rapidly been developing that made the old stuff feel weird. i was going to make a number of less sketchy things i felt better about, that weren’t just my learning process, and post, but sort of ran out of time because the interest hit just now. I’m talking so much..
>Can’t really gauge
Yeah! Kind of like you read my mind. This is almost definitely what I’ll end up doing.

Thanks so much for taking your time to respond so well to my ridiculously long text block, anon.

>>7853681
Not perfectly but you need a good idea on how to do it, every anatomical structure is a 3D form on top of a 3D form that moves around so you need to be able to visualise how those move and distort with each other in space

why are so many software engineers becoming artists?

>>7854198
Lots of free time since we're work from home NEETS and autism gives us good spatial reasoning skills

>>7854093
Ok but does that mean I should complete the drawabox course and I'll be good to go even if I half ass some of it?

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I learned that eminem wanted to be a comic artist and he actually drew pic related but in the thread one of the comments said that he just "slavishly copied" some comic book art and that you can't tell his actual ability from these because of that

is it considered bad to copy stuff like that? they look okay to me. I actually copy references like that but I didn't know it was bad to do so. Should I stop copying references like that?

>>7854258
Just keep drawing

>>7854258
And to answer your question, no you shouldn’t stop copying them. Just copy/study them effectively and consciously. There’s nothing that’s “bad” to draw. Draw everything.

>try drawing freehand cubes in different perspectives and form manipulations
>have trouble doing it from imagination
would I be fucking myself over if I just use a reference

>>7854262
No. It’s good to use lots of ref when studying perspective, it’s hard and it’ll take a lot of time to draw them from imagination so be patient with yourself. Draw them from ref and from imagination, see what went wrong from imagination, and go from there.

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i just had it pointed out to me that apparently i hold my pencil like an autistic retard. i guess youre just supposed to pinch it with your index and thumb more or less but i kind of smother my pencil with all five fingers while angling my hand really hard, like to where the back of my hand is facing the top of the page
should i make an effort to correct my hand posture? im not new to drawing at all so it might not be worth it to bother fixing my shit but im curious if it could benefit me in some way. posting my work just cuz

>>7854282
Are you comfortable drawing that way? If so just keep doing it

>>7854284
my pinky (the 'support' finger i guess) gets a little chafed after a while but im otherwise fine. no carpal tunnel or anything like that so far

>>7854261
well I copy references in all my art. I can understand using them while learning but for my main pieces should I not use them?

>>7854299
It’s okay to use them in pieces if you want to. It’s really up to you. My most recent piece is just a compilation of different references. Like I said, at the end of the day, just keep drawing. Don’t worry so much about when you are/aren’t using reference and focus on creating as much art as possible.

I recently got an OLED monitor with a really wide color gamut, when drawing should I clamp it to sRGB or keep it's native gamut?
I noticed the colors are completely different on my LCD monitor

How do you choose between drawing and protesting I need to go out there and save America from the orange Mussolini

>>7854041
Thanks for the rec

>>7854031
>corny text like "doodles" or "sketches"
FUCK
Didn't know some people think this is corny, why

anyone got a good system for drawing the skeleton?

>>7854027
You're always going to have something in your past that doesn't represent you now. You can't even guarantee that your current best will be received how you want.

>>7854206
It’s a decent basis, just do it until you feel comfortable visualising forms in 3D and can do it with reasonable accuracy
Doesn’t need to be perfect, you’ll continue to improve with time as you construct more complex forms anyway

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When people talk about the peter han dynamic sketching course, do they mean the video series on youtube? Or is there another one?

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>>7854894
The skeleton is a hard one. Just take different approaches. Sometimes use lines to draw the rib cage. Sometimes use cylinders. Sometimes draw it as one, large mass. Sometimes just go straight into it. Point is don’t rely on one method

>>7855014
looks sick man

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>>7855070
Haha that’s not my drawing, it’s frank frazetta’s sketchbook drawings.

How do I stop you stupid jerks from being assholes to me?

>>7855091
I’ve learned when people are rude to you and you say “you’re right” followed by a calm response it shuts them down

>>7855097
Oh yeah well fuck you, nigger!

>>7855098
You’re right, I just think you should take me out first

Can somebody explain how poipiku works? Why can you only send 10 emoji reactions per day? Are those convertible to some type of currency or what

>>7855014
i'm okay with drawing the basic forms, but the hardest for me are drawing the shoulder girdle/scapula in perspective

How do I make characters (female) look cute/attractive?

How to tell if composition is good? What are some books for this topic? If there's some kind of intuition or sense to nailing this down I have zero of it.

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>>7855339
Idk what to tell you anon. That’s just doing to take time. Study shoulders from life, how other artists draw them, and study perspective intently. Sometimes drawing the shoulder is super easy, it just depends on what you’re trying to draw.

>>7855552
Creative illustration by Loomis

https://www.alexhays.com/loomis/

>>7855479
Study the faces of attractive women in the real world and ref. Find what makes faces objectively attractive such as balance of features, smaller features on women, proportions, etc.

What's the deal with all the lolifootfag chinese artists outputting clean, soft-shaded hires art like it takes them no effort? Did they build an Antifreeze3 cloning factory? Is it the infamous asian jeans?
You could argue it all looks derivative and/or soulless, but I can't say I hate it.

So i have been following Peter Han's Dynamic Sketching tutorial and have been grinding organic shapes for cross countour lines.
What are some traps to avoid being stuck at a particular subject? I'm pretty sure many people have gone through this road without following it perfectly,so i want to avoid pitfalls.
First issue i have currently is that despite practicing the rendering part beforehand,i kind of can't apply the textures to the organic shapes.
I can pretty much only do cross hatching but anything more complex and my mind goes blank on how to adjust it for the different forms.

Does anyone here know of any good digial painters who sart out with oulines and gradually move to a more painterly image over time and have proces videos up on youtube? I'm strugling to translate my drawing skills to painting. I fel like this sort of workflow would be helpful, but I don't know many painters and the ones I do know start out with blocking in shapes.

When I copy from photos
>look at reference for .5 second
>draw for .5 second
>repeat at rapid speed

Is this something I'll eventually get over or am I doing something wrong? I need to do it like this for accuracy else the drawing is shit

>>7856472
Ahmed Aldoori discusses both methods on meds map

Also I saw krenz cushart having images of his process in artstation of one of his paintings and he starts with lines, idk if there's a process video of any of his paintings though

>>7856485
Meant for >>7855986 oops

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What was the name of the western cartoonist who drew like this? Sort of. I remember he had a thread here a year or several ago.

>>7852768
Has anyone tried Noah Bradley's art camp? Is it worth it?

>>7853519
Speak only in English, set your location by region instead of country or use a VPN, don't be a retard and don't make unemployed or maladapted people your enemies and you should be fine.

Very few artists from countries where porn is banned get into trouble, it's usually because someone got mad at them and then doxxed them

>>7855339
Study from reds, lots and lots of repetition and drawing them from memory. Repeat as needed.

This would be a $300 art course btw

I'm getting started with traditional drawing. How do I take pictures of my art properly? Every time I try it looks blurry and unfocused.

Is something like gesture drawing but for heads/faces a thing?

>>7857492
The riley method?

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>>7857492
Paul richer sort of covers it

Your all asshole go fuck your self

>>7857548
What about my all asshole go fuck your self?

>>7857076
I take my photos outdoors on an overcast day. Cloudy enough that the light reaching the surface is bright but diffuse rather than direct.

>>7857504
That seems to be exactly what I'm looking for, thanks

>>7856630
Chris Reccardi?

What makes a pose express that a person is feeling awkwardness or that is uncomfortable?

I've tried to look for tutorials or comments about this but everything is just about dinamic poses and most of those look relaxed or confident.

>>7857618
Eyes are the window to the soul. Otherwise, body language.

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>>7857618
study acting. some animation books like 'acting for animators' cover it.

When is the right time to switch from paper to digital?

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What is the ideal height of the monitor relative to line of sight? Picrel is my current setup but I've been really paranoid about it somehow warping drawings.

>>7857711
In my experience the answer is whenever you feel like it.
The truth is that even as a digital artist you should keep practicing with paper and pencil.

>>7856926
This gives me hope. Thanks

>>7857595
No, this guy's art was more sensual/sexy.

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how to correctly adjust it for everyday drawings and save my poor wrist?

>>7858125
and the tip feel is set on 2/7 from soft to firm

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>>7858125
In your tablet settings. adjust the 100% point to where you don't have to press that hard to get a max pressure stroke. Different tablets and styluses work differently so there's no one size fits all. Plenty of pros leave it default, or have it so you barely have to press hard at all to get max pressure. (pic related) Adjust the curve so you can get smooth transitions from thin to thick and thick to thin again. Depends on how you grip and hold the stylus so you'll have to experiment yourself. Don't make the curve too extreme so that you can't get the full range of strokes.
For different types of brushes, you might want different pressure curves too. Depending on the type of brush you might want a lot of or none so adjust the brushes pressure curve accordingly.

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>>7858071
Shane Glines?

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Am I tripping or is this final fantasy tactics concept art AI?

>>7858573
Filtered in a way that makes it look AI, probably. But this art existed way way back so no

>>7858573
What exactly makes you think it's AI?

>>7858573
This looks nothing like AI.

>>7853283
Look at paintings, drawings, sculptures, photos, movies, videos, games, and, of course, real life.

What do you like? Fighting scenes? Religious themes? Nature scenery? Drugs? Porn? Cyberpunk shit? Ancient shit? Look at others art about similar or the same thing, imagine rotating the scene, now draw that.

For practice, Look at others art about similar or the same thing, imagine rotating the scene, now draw that. Take an animal or bug or plant, mix it with a human (or another animal, bug, or plant). Draw the last dream you remember.

i am....howie

>>7859292
>forgot to erase the duplicate line before posting
I thought my brain was fucking up rereading that

Anyway, how do you stop being scared to fuck up your "best" sketch, and how do you stop chasing the high of making a really good sketch (and immediately going back to making really shitty sketches)

What to do when seething envy

>>7859346
Convert it into motivation.

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nsfwalbum removed all their hegre content. Anyone know a good alternative?

how come drawing with my mouse on paint or an art tablet doesnt feel as good as drawing on paper even though my paper scribbles are much dog shit and i can't fix mistakes like i can digitally?

>>7859772
> doesnt feel as good
no resistance, and it will never feel as good

my brain feels more engaged drawing with paper, i mean

does handwriting correlate with skill in any way. will your handwriting improve as you get better or if your handwriting is already really bad you're ngmi?

>>7860097
different skillsets

How do I know how much darker skin or any other material should be in shadows?

I feel Im stuck on this. Halp.

anyone have that comic making fun of people that buy gear for hobbies before starting? it's about gardening and it compares two people, one waits until they have all the tools before starting and the other "just gardens"

>>7852768
What's the point of all those pose collections that often cost money, when I can just go on pinterest and draw stuff I see there?

>>7860695
Because pinterest is just full of gravure photo shots and zaps dopamine because it knows you're male gazing where your mouse pointer is placed.

Why is it that most artists that are only interested in drawing cute girls also really good at drawing in general/everything else?

>>7852774
If you need to ask, you already failed. You stop being a permaprebeg when you stop asking others what to do and just draw.

Go have fun in /i/ and get yourself a deviantart instead of wasting time doing absolutely nothing

Is there any website, app, or software where I can put in a bunch of (written) ideas or prompts I have and press a button to randomly select one of the ideas?

Not a big fan of the "spin the wheel" ones, the wheel becomes so cramped that eventually it crashes

>>7861046
Shoykdve actually looked for one before asking, then again, this is the stupid questions thread.

Random name picker app does exactly what I need

>>7861048
You can also just make one, it's a good babys first programming project.

>>7852768

i think jannies secretly delete comments that call them out so that other users don't see it. is this true?

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how do I stop feeling demotivated after having to decide a piece looks "good enough" after hours of trying to improve it when it's clear I hit some kind of wall for my skill level for the piece im working on

>>7861281
Thats when you mix personal pleasure with studying what you want to achieve to try to apply it next time. For example watching youtube artists pull off crazy shit so easily is motivating and then you can try to copy their technique.

Is it still possible to make money from commissions in the age of AI and even AI video gen? Lost my job last month and no luck with job hunting so far, I know it’s not the most secure or steady source of income but I really need money. I can draw fat fetish stuff so I’m hoping that niche hasn’t been completely destroyed by AI.

How do I start with backgrounds? I don't like that my anime girls are just standing around in the void.

>you have to draw to get better at drawing
But I don't wannaaaaaaa
I have so many ideas I just want to put them on paper with no effort.
>inb4 AI
My ideas are mine, not the jews'.

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>>7862200
I relate. I don't like the lack of agency of AI, I don't want to be reliant on anything except my own hands, but I also hate the romanticization of struggling and "the journey", I just want to skip the deviantart beg phase and be as good as my idols now. I know it probably says something about my rancid personality that I would have literally zero regrets skipping le journey and instantly being perfect. People often bring up effort and time as something that gives art value over AI slop. Maybe I'm an ignorant pleb, but I think that's dumb. James Baxter can draw a perfect walk cycle in 3 hours while another artist could take 3 months to draw a walk cycle not even half as good, is the beg's work inherently better than Baxter because it took longer and they worked harder on it?

>>7862193
Perspective

What kind of desk lamp is recommended for drawing on paper? I assume it should have adjustable brightness at the minimum and the ability to switch between warm/cold light(~2400K and ~4500-5000K).
Anything else? What about a minimum value of lumen? Distance would be around 50cm from the lamp head to the paper on the desk. And the lamp would be clamped onto the desk on the side.

>>7862215
This is the most "anything but drawing" question

>>7862248
Is it really such a dumb question? I thought i asked a relevant question here.

>>7862215
I have something like this:
https://www.amazon.com/Airlonv-Eye-Caring-Adjustable-Gooseneck-Workbench/dp/B0C4JTPPYY?ref_=ast_sto_dp&th=1

Mine is a different brand (PHIVE) but the exact model is no longer available. The one I linked looks almost identical, though, and has the same features.

>>7852768
if my hand hurts after a day on the tbale but i'm new, does it get better or this is my limit? anyone do exercises for hand strain?

>>7854198
A ton of aspiring game developers became software engineers for a solid fallback job. However as time passed, people valued games existing less since its gotten easier for anybody to get something playable. The ensuing flood resulted in games with notable art styles standing out over programmer art. Either pay an artist for their style and hope they don't destroy themselves in someway or do it yourself and have FULL control.

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>>7861281
Do not follow in the footsteps of the wise; seek what they sought.
古人の跡をもと めず、古人の求たる所を.もとめよ
https://soundcloud.com/thephantomsrevenge/mynameispatrickbateman

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56vtZsQgAF0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHvWxytUbrs
>You have my compliments,
>you've somehow managed to avoid a fatal blow
>in your current condition however,
>you can't possibly defeat me
>why are you here?
>Are you trying to throw the life you so narrowly managed to keep?
>As I recall, you once said: "there are no lords worth risking your life for."

>That's right, for my entire life, I've chosen to fight for no one but myself.
>My dedication and my study of the sword was for no one but myself,
>until now.

>This is the last lesson I have to teach you.
>It is the only means by which to kill your opponent
>when you have no hope of victory.
>It is not likely you will survive, but it is possible
>that you will take him with you.
>You leave an opening in your defense,
>which allows him to strike.
>When that happens, it creates a brief opening
>for you to deliver your blow.
>Your chances of surviving the encounter are
>virtually zero.
>If at all possible, do not ever use this technique.

>I swear, I always get stuck with it.

>>7862458
if it starts to strain, stop. don't wait for it to hurt. When I started, I remember pushing until it hurt, and then I'd have to take a week or more of rest for it to stop hurting, so don't do it, it'll kill your gains.
It's gonna be frustrating, but your limit for now might be short. Mine used to be 10-15m. Nowadays I can do 4-5h with no issue (could probably more, but my brain starts hurting by then).

I'm new to this stuff and my back really fucking hurts. what to do?

>>7862593
sit straight

This might be a bit of an odd question, idk if anyone will have an answer for it, but I'm currently teaching at an academy, mostly kids who just want to doodle, but there's this girl who wants to improve with backgrounds, yet no matter how I try explaining it to her, she's incapable of understanding perspective. Even the most basic, one point, draw a street type exercise, or drawing a decent cube. She struggles to even tell if 2 lines are parallel or not.
What's the simplest, dumbest way to teach/learn this shit? I'm out of ideas.

>>7862612
Out of curiosity, what age is the student?

>>7862601
I'm trying, should my table be at an angle or flat? Right now it's up decently high and the thing hurts like a bitch, I guess I'll try flat.

>>7862617
she's 8

>>7862601
I can't see the details on my screen when sitting straight.

>>7862626
put it closer then, your posture comes first, your workspace should adapt.

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>>7862612
Have you tried having her copy simplified drawings like picrel? Or maybe if you give her a physical cube and make two drawings yourself, one with correct perspective and one with incorrect perspective, and have her decide which looks correct.
Basic concepts like lines getting closer to each other as they move away from the viewer or the size of objects changing how close they appear, I think even if explanations don't work just observing and drawing it freqently with corrective feedback is enough to start to internalize the patterns.
Also, this isn't directly related to your question, but if she wants to improve at backgrounds, there are other ways. Drawing from nature has less requirement for perspective than drawing buildings and such, and instead you can focus on teaching about values. Girls tend to have more aptitude and interest for colors, so it's something to consider.

>>7862698
thanks, I'll try to get her to just get a feel for it through some simpler copies, and if that fails go the organic route.

>>7862210
Same here. Tardwrangling SD is a whole separate and stupid skill unless you have low standards, and Illusion's games are always lacking in some way even with mods taken into account, so I'm done fucking with them.
And now there's so much I want to draw and no idea how to do (most of) it, let alone the skill required (or knowing how to cut corners just right so it still looks good). Don't even care about recognition.
But oh well, vent over, back to drawing.

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>>7862612
These are some of the exercises I recall doing as a self-taught middle/high-schooler. The river one especially is where I think it clicked for me very early on. If she isn't able to grasp "rigid" perspective, perhaps soft, organic forms are the way to go? Then when she starts to get those, one way you could gently introduce the concept of planar perspective is to draw some "halfway" forms, such as partially round/organic forms with a few flat faces (eg a rock with a flat bottom), cylinders, cones, wireframe organic forms.

My himi watercolor is pure crap. It's closer to gouache than what it was advertised. Don't buy it.

Is there a way to drag/zoom in CSP through the Space/Ctrl+Space shortcuts without also having to hold LMB (i.e. touch the tablet) at the same time?

>>7862903
Use the pen to pan, there's a window in your top right. Use the sliders underneath to zoom and rotate as well.

>>7862903
Nvm fixed it to an extent - binding it to middle/right click does that, good enough.

>>7858371
Yes, thank you!

>>7862612
You could use the sheet of glass trick. Set up a stack of books near a window, with a little mark for her chin. Get a pen that works on glass and ask her to shut one eye and trace some of what she sees. If the location is suitable, you could line up students from the class outside at different distances. Then talk about the drawing and ask her what she notices.

Also, drawing a foreground figure or two is a far cry from filling a sheet of paper. Sometimes getting kids to experiment with backgrounds is a simple as giving them media that allows them to fill a page easily.

>>7852768
Do people with very good lineart use strong stabilization?

>>7864127
Not always. Just depends what you like using.

With stabilization you have to draw very slowly to stop detail from getting filtered out, and it's a bit annoying to deal with.

>>7852768
I went to my old drawing tablet, installed the new Wacom drivers, but I can't find the pressure curve settings anymore.
Am I the retarded, or is it Wacom the retarded?

Any good forum/discords for feedback? For like /beg/-/mid/ artists I mean.
I can tell you now, Sinix's patreon-only disc is not worth it (way too slow)

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Is there a name for that cartoony yet detailed art style that focuses on rendering/form? And if not do you guys have anyone off the top of your head that draws like picrel cause I can't get enough of it.

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I got this book as gift.
Is it good total beginner book?

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i used to think the external obliques curved when the torso tilted/bent, but it seems more like they compress/shrink/collapse, right?

Why does drawing with a pencil brush feel so much better than drawing with an ink brush?

Do you guys know where I can get these example/reference images?
https://youtu.be/HLzs_8kgaAY?t=233
I tried looking them up in various ways but couldn't find them.

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So where's the best place to post art (not porn) and socialize with other artists? I noticed that Artstation is pretty much dead now and it was only a place for portfolios in the first place. Twitter is garbage. God I miss sijun forums...
Where to go?

How to practice shapes properly? Surely it's not just drawing 100 circles

>>7866965
no no, not just drawing 100 circles
but drawing 100 circles intentionally

>>7866965
Learn shape language

What are some go to video downloader apps/extensions? Trying to rip some courses but everything either doesn't work or is paid.

>>7867611
I use JDownloader 2. It's not as straightforward to use as other programs but it's pretty powerful and it almost always works for me.
https://jdownloader.org/

>>7854996
it New Master Academy course

Who told you that you were good enough to draw I need permission but from the right person.

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does anyone know a way to get this sort of halftone shading in CSP?

chances of getting sued or anything serious like that for uploading a paid course on like gofile/pixeldrain/etc?

Where do i start if I want to make manga/comics as a /beg/? I guess as reference I'd like the style to be a bit more cartoonish like shane glines and the PSG anime

>>7868603
not that likely, especially if it would be an international lawsuit. they can just send a DMCA request so the site will take it down themselves. if they want to sue you personally, they'd send a cease and desist letter first. unless you are rich, they can't get much money out of you so it's not worth the lawsuit costs.

>>7868892
fuck it we ball then.

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>>7859491
ALL content? idk im still finding plenty of it

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what should i draw?

>>7869149
me

>>7869149
boobs

Ok Bet.

I'm wondering if anyone has recommendations for a tutorial like this but for adding light instead of shadow.

https://x.com/i/status/1941875424004276682

>>7852768
So I don't get how people do color after setting up a grayscale base. Is it a layer setting above the grayscale, like on a multiply layer? Is it just one layer?

I saw this and had to ask https://x.com/_3aem/status/2016560418827940290

>>7869658
I usually do full grayscale render, then a new layer set to color, and use that to lay some basic colors. You can do additional layers or shit like clipping masks and other blending modes to add other hues, and even a few more layers on normal mode to add extra details directly with color.

any tips to improve at appeal? I feel like I'm starting to get confident on a technical level, but have no idea what I'm doing in terms of design/style/composition.

>>7869662
Ohh is that how the color layer mode works? I'll try it out, thanks anon

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Were sprites like those drawn on paper then scanned or were they entirely done on computer?

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Beginner retard drawing baby here. I am currently following the upside down drawing exercise in DOTRSOTB. A massive issue I am having that I draw the lines either longer or shorter than they should be, and also at the wrong spot. Anyone got suggestions on how to keep the proportions in check?

>>7870149
Just draw more. Proportions are by no means easy and managing to hit them accurately is something that comes from lots and lots of practice

best way to compress reference images n videos

>>7870543
I use FastStone Image Viewer, so I just use it's batch convert for compressing images. XnView is good too.
Handbrake for videos, use a modern codec that can take advantage of your GPU/CPU. Which one specifically depends on your hardware and how long you wanna spend compressing.
Or just buy a NAS with high-capacity drives, storage is pretty cheap these days.

>>7870574
>storage is pretty cheap these days
Not anymore it isn't.

>>7870594
HDDs are still affordable

>>7857749
thats correct but also monitor should be tilted upwards a little

What's a good budget drawpad for a beginner? Can I make do with a WXGA (1366x768 16:9) TV or do I need something with higher resolution?

>>7870626
Check your local used listings, you can get barely used ones for cheap. Wacom, XP-Pen, Huion, Xencelabs. Any modern one is good enough these days, just get medium sized one or larger. The small ones are cramped and bad for your wrist. You could make do with 1366x768, if you draw in full screen mode so the UI doesn't take up so much space. But a cheap 1080p monitor would be worth the upgrade.

>>7870632
Thanks

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Can someone redline the ratios for eyes,nose, mouth and where is the top of the head?

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why does this look good even though the lines are technically wobbly and shitty? If I traced this with cleaner lines, it would look shit. so what is the actual reason this looks good?

what the fuck is a z-brush and where i can get one for photoshop

>>7871010
Bc it’s anatomically correct. The wobbly lines don’t take anything away from the drawing so it retains accuracy while remaining stylized

>>7852768
Anyone know of an easy way to consistently add fake subtitles to still images? I don't want to have to bake a lossless 1-frame video then make a subtitle file and load both with a video player. If the image is always the same size and the subtitle is always 1 line, then it is trivial to keep it consistent with an image editor, but it may not be the case that the image is always the same size.

LoL how much hours if drawing a day is considered plenty?

Do you every worry you’ll forgot how to draw

>>7852768
How do I measure proportions semi accurately?

>>7852768
I'm trying to figure out what to focus on, how many schools of professional art are there? I know there's illustration, character design, environmental art. I tried looking it up online but I got actual schools instead.

>>7870149
Add a 3x3 reference grid on the original and your sketch

Will I ever be a good artist?

>>7872762
Will you practice?

Will you study?

Will you accept that you need to put in the effort and it'll look bad and you need to keep going?

I think an eyelash got in my eye I can’t see now should I kill myself?

I don't want to study fundamentals or colour theory or whatever cuz its boring, but i like analyzing and decomposing the structures of my favorite artworks to understand why they work and have appeal. am i stupid?

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Whats up with drawing on a drawing tablet? I'm pretty happy with my lines on paper and pencil, but digitally seems insane to me, it's like a complete skill reset.

Also, am I misunderstanding how to use or set up the CSP brushes? They all look extremely bad in comparison to what everyone else uses in csp.

>>7872938
Which tablet ? Try increasing the brush stabilization to around 40.

>>7872941
it's an intuos pro L, I'll try and set the stabilizer higher

>>7872942
>intuos pro L
Two things
1. it's screenless table to so you need better coordination than with just screen tablet or pen&paper.
2. Tablets are generally more slipper, screenless less so than screen ones, but still, it will make your strokes worse before you adjust.

You can use stabilizer, but you can also train a little bit. Basic stabilization should be enough.

>>7872949
yeah it probably takes time to get used to, but man I didn't think it would be that hard. I feel like getting used to a pencil was alot quicker

>>7872903
Appeal is king. If you can imitate something well enough without knowing why it looks the way it does, you don't need to study shit. If you can draw appealing art with triangles for feet because you don't know or care how to draw them, it's fine.
IF you can.

>>7872938
>Will Weston
How did you understand his proportions?

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When people draw the nose like this, is the triangle meant to be a highlight or a shadow?

>>7873248
Only the shadow remained because they wanted to reduce the nose as much as possible for max kawaii uguu factor

>>7873227
I literally watched his first course video and noticed it might be too advanced since I really only drew along with him. He does explain his proportions in that first course video though

If you have any recommendation for something a bit easier to understand I'd lobe to hear it.

I feel stupid asking this, but is it okay to comment on famous artists' drawings on Twitter when you're nobody? I haven't used social media regularly since DeviantArt wasn't a dumpster fire, so I don't know if there are any secret etiquette rules.

>>7872960
digitizers really suck for some people because of this hand-eye disconnect. i tried getting used to using one for close to a decade, never stuck. getting a display tablet was the best thing i ever did for my art, it was just an immediate improvement in every aspect.

>>7873424
I wasn't sure since alot of people don't like the surface feel and ergonomics or screen tablets. I bought the screenless one used so if it shits the bed I might try a screen one

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How do you paint you drawings in CSP? I tried doing it like I'd do it with a pencil or something but I either lightly go over lines or the color looks weird because of pen pressure. I guess diabling pen pressure for color might help, but what about drawing over lines?

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Hey,so recently i have started watching Charles Hu videos of Dynamic Sketching. Beforehand i have watched Peter Han's videos. Peter Han recommends Staedler fineliners for drawing holding them in an upright position.
Charles recommends Faber Castell Pitt artist pens because they are different as in you can use them in tilted position as well,compared to something like Staedler's pigment liners which can be used only in an upright position as Peter Han uses them.
What's the difference between them as in why the difference and how can i tell from a pen which category it fits into?
The Staedler fineliners' nibs are starting to wear down,some are almost gone,is there a way to "repair" them somehow to keep using them? I'm not too keen on just throwing them away with ink in them.
If i'm looking to buy permanent pens in a webshop...how can i tell the difference?
Recently bought calligraphy pens but their nibs are way different(which was expected) and draw quite broad lines by just using them normally:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005007385347825.html
however they can be used in tilted position.
I'm open to any suggestion on what kind of permanent markers to buy that draw narrow lines between like 0.05 - 1.0mm and can be bought cheaply in large quantities from aliexpress or temu. I have already a bunch of HB,4B,8B,etc. pencils so i don't need those.

>>7873376
I wonder if he's really advanced or is he just a bad teacher. For me the guy meanders around his point too much. I don't have any real recommendations sadly

>>7873720
Yeah I'm not sure myself, I'm sure his course is good once you get it.

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>>7873720
If anyone else has a recommendation for figure / construction courses that are somewhat approachable for beginners, I'd live to hear them

i like gay parent child incest, how cancelled will that get me?

>>7852768
I am trying to make the lineart...
Depite the stabilization, many times is not smooth. Also, many times I fail to connect the lines.

How the hell people can do good lineart?

>>7868732
You start by making a bunch of comics. There isn't some easy entry, you just have to start doing it and get better by doing it a lot.

I had a New Year’s resolution to stop sucking at art but I still suck I wish I was dead

>>7853283
You look for them. In order to get ideas you have to find them. Whether its from anime, toys, tv, real life, anything that catches your eyes.


After that you try to play around with those ideas and combine or try new things with and create something

>>7852768
>be me
>look up cheapest drawing tablets in youtube because im poor
>OSU!
>OSU!
>OSU!
>OSU!>OSU!>OSU!>OSU!>OSU!>OSU!>OSU!
Are all artists rich? I don't have +$60 for a mid range tablet. I can only afford a sub $40 one.

>>7874688
I'm a check to check American wagie and $60 is not a distressing expense. Just need to make sure I make my coffee at home for a couple weeks.

>>7874712
Pretty cool, anon. Then send me those $60 if you please.

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>>7874714
The downside is a relatively minor medical issue can financially cripple me. So no!

>>7874688
Buy used aka "I bought it because I thought I wanted to draw but didn't draw shit, so it might as well be new".

Arches or Meeden hot press? Latter has a discount at 24 burgerbucks for 20 9x12 sheets vs Arches' 12 sheets, so i'm tempted to try them

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>>7852768
Hello anons of /ic/. I have a few questions.
What are your thought on Canva? is it a good program to draw and edit images? and is it easy to learn?

I ask these questions because, some months ago, I was doing an interview for a work when suddenly one of the interviewers had asked if I was experienced with Canva.

>>7874933
after a bit of thought, I probably should have made this post somewhere on /gd/. Would have been better suited, perhaps.

never really liked my screen tablet. lately ive tried simulating a screenless display by mirroring my displays and only looking at my main monitor. i kind of prefer it, though i cant really do broad strokes. is using a screenless much different than this?

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Trying to emulate this style wondering how I might go about this in regards to color and saturation?

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>>7852768
How can I render like this? I would say it’s close to splash art. I tried looking up some tutorials but they all circle around the point without actually explaining anything.
Any advice is welcome, books and courses available will help too

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>>7875128
Pick a main color, in this case you can use the skin color that you picked in a more low saturation style.
Then paint a line with the color and proceed to pick colors you want and cross a line between the main color and lower the opacity (for colors closer in range, pick a stronger opacity compared to further down the color wheel). I made a very crude example here with my finger

>>7875197
*vomits*

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Lately I've been wondering about how people break into the game industry. I've wanted to be a character designer my whole life, is it feasible at all by just putting out fanart nowadays? Otherwise I'm pulling out rpgmaker and just building some bullshit, I want to get my shitty characters out there somehow, in any way.

>>7875372
Either by being insanely good or have connections

>>7875384
That's a bit sad, but I can still make my own things anyway.

>>7875372
I dont think it's ever been feasible by putting out fanart. Fanart is the lowest rung and has nothing to do with design

Okay,this might be a retarded question. But what's this phenomenon called when my eyes are close to the paper i'm drawing on something like ~25-30cm and when i finish something even a simple organic form it looks from okay to shit looking at from this distance.
However when i hold out the paper/sketchbook in my arms at max length it looks way better?
Is it simply because the forms look smaller? Brain fills in details? Something else?
Also should i worry about this,perhaps change something so i don't "ruin" the forms by drawing in unnecessary details and so on?

I always pirated software but I'm getting increasingly worried about my security and not willing to continue paying loads for antiviruses each month so I'm going legit.
I'm going to buy the Perpetual license for CSP. Firstly is Pro good enough? I don't plan on doing animation I just wanna draw. And secondly, should I wait for 5.0 to come out or buy 4.0 now and then the upgrade pass? I can't not digitally stop drawing until it releases in a month or so but if there's a free decent program I can use as a substitute until then that would be great.

>>7854687
why not make art for panflets or shit against the failed wanna be facist?

>>7874984
Used screenless for about 3 years and i hated it. I dunno how can you cope with the fact that your hand and cursor on the screen isn't physically connected and is skewed by the resolution difference. About how it feels probably a bit better than a display with a screen protector since screenless protectors tend to be a bit thicker

>>7875197
Thank you . It took a couple of tries to figure out but now it works a treat.

>>7875372
Do udemy to learn, do game jams to practice and make connections.

>>7874688
Even homeless people manage to get $60 in a couple of days, get a job

>>7875520
Yeah pro is enough. Other the animation frame cap, only other good ex feature is multi-page story manager and maybe the Convert 2D images to lines and tones. Since it's updating soon if you buy v4 now, they'll probably give you the v5 upgrade for free/discounted. That's what they did last time.

>>7875582
They're releasing 5 already? Wtf it hasn't even been a year since 4.0

>>7875582
Cool thanks. I think I’ll buy 4.0 and the upgrade pass for 5.0. Honestly I could cope with just 4.0 alone but the puppet feature and being able to adjust your” lineart and curves more is really enticing.

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Ok so I wanted to make a thread where people would post various styles and pick from it to develop their own style like it says in this guide.

My question Is there a better place for me to do that or is it unique enough to create my own.

How do I tell if I don't enjoy drawing because I'm bad at it or if it's just because I don't like drawing
t. Started one month ago

>>7876622
Get good at it and see if you still dislike it.

>>7876270
A style development challenge? Sounds like a neat idea. I might like to participate if you make a thread. But the instructions could use some clarification first. What does it mean by "add your own style"? Are the images in step 2 supposed to be photos or art? It would also be helpful to describe a "deliverable", what specifically it is we will actually create and post in order to learn.

I assume the author of this image means for us to select some images from other artists, add one of our own, then analyze them all for commonalities. Then what comes after? Maybe create some sketches/a piece of your own that further emphasizes the identified traits. To not fight against your natural style by totally remaking it, but work with it by highlighting the traits you admire in others' work. I'm all for this, but simpler and clearer instructions will get more participants.

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>want to draw
>look at other artists work for reference
>loose all motivation to draw
what do

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>>7876712
So to my understanding your supposed to collect one piece of art from artists you like and wish to emulate then once you have the art your meant to write up notes of what you want to take away from it I.E Mike Mignola's shading or Mobius backgrounds. Once done your meant to try and emulate that highlighting those elements.

Video for reference
https://youtu.be/NVy12m9-xjg

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All I draw is porn. How do I branch out and try different things? I want to be able to do comics eventually but backgrounds bore me to tears

>>7876838
Start by making a three or four panel comic. Low commitment and the form is so simple and is such an obvious use of set-up, complication, resolution via punchline that even subhumans on the reddit comics page can do it.

>>7876741
Look inside and ask yourself what the feeling is that's keeping you from doing what you want to do. Are you scared? Intimidated? Are your guts twisted in knots? Good, that means you care. There are people who don't and are filling the world with shit. Are you going to let them make you feel unworthy to create?

If someone says that my art has "outsider art charm" is that a sincere compliment or a veiled insult? LOL

>>7876872
Do you respect their insight and opinion? If not, just toss it into the pile of offhand comments. The pile os useful to get a general idea of how people perceive your art but you'll drive yourself mad if you try to focus on any single comment.

>>7876880
I think they're a decent artist, better than me, so a little bit. That said, they're not incredible or whatever. Just my elder. I mostly can't tell if it's meant in a positive sense or if they're making fun of me. Like, I certainly don't have classical training and stuff, I still struggle with things like proper perspective, but outsider art seem to be primarily the purview of people who are literally insane, so I don't know how I feel about this. Am I just being bigoted?

>>7876882
I honestly don't think it's worth considering beyond noting that the scale has been tipped very slightly in favor of "I have an outsider art vibe"

>>7876890
Understood. Thank you.

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>>7876896

>>7876838
Go do drawthread requests

What should I draw? It has to be easy since I'm a beglet

>>7874020
Honestly anon I'm at that point where I think I need to just suck it up and really try to understand a teacher. You can learn from different sources

>>7875520
>and not willing to continue paying loads for antiviruses each month
Anonie you don't need antivirus software. The only thing you need to do is not click on links like
>PRESS HERE TO WIN FREE iPHONE DOWNLOAD MY SOFTWARE TO CONNECT WITH HOT BABES [obviously untrustworthy shit inserted here]
Do you have a cgepeers account? Even if you don't, download trusted links from Piratebay and relax
I used to pirate shit all the time but I stopped once I got a job for convenience's sake. Like for 10+ years, never used antivirus, never had a problem

>>7876963
Yeah I'm starting to feel the same, I'm working through evistons beginner course and I think I'll either try his figure course afterwards or check out hide.

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How do you guys rotate things? I try to focus on a "Y" shape for squares, does this make sense, or is there an easier way? I know the eyes aren't quite where they're supposed to be, it was just to visualize the side I'm focusing on.

can i break up learning drawing across my day or do i need to do it all in one chunk for my brain to grow

>>7877373
30 minut, 5 minut rest is best
Micro/normal breaks are actually great for neurogenesis.

Are those cheap wooden mannequins good for a prebeg? I've read that they can be pretty shitty for poseability and the proportions are often wrong but are they decent for someone just starting out? Would I be gimping myself using one in conjunction with other references?

>>7877360
heh box go vroom

>>7878738
It's a speedy one for sure

>>7878719
You need to get a real corpse otherwise don't bother

whys there so few tutorials for MS paint or mouse

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>>7852768
Is there a Vilppu for digital painting? I love his class on facial anatomy and gesture drawing and I was trying to look the same for painting and rendering. Searching anything on YouTube is a lost cause

why is the thread image AI-filtered so much?

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why does drawing lighting have soo many variables? lighting, highlight, cast shadow, reflective light, reflective mirrors irdfk omg its insane.

>>7879288
just a shitty upscale

Is it homophobic if I want to draw femboys and guys together? I was told its homohpboic to make the guy too feminine

>>7879596
there's likely not a single gay man or pooner or angry female alive who will stop to consider your feelings before they draw something. ignore all criticisms and live your life

Someone told me that my traditional art looks exactly the same as my digital art. Is that criticism or a compliment?
I'm mostly a digital artist.

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i want to draw art for a romance game for a certain fandom but i have a fair chance of getting pitchforked by the majority of people there for various reasons if i go through with it. should i ignore all this and do it anyway because it’s fun to work on?
>>7870067
i don’t know about shizuku but i have a rip of the sayonara wo oshiete artbook and it looks like they were sketched on paper during the drawing process

I'd really like to start doing commissions for people but I'm having a hard time even getting my twitter profile seen. The only time I got any was when I was playing a small multiplayer game and people saw me as the guy who would draw their characters. Should I fill requests on drawthreads to get seen? Start streaming more? I'm even willing to do NSFW.

A feeling of despair that nothing will work out in the end.
A skill can't be learned; even if it can, it will bear no fruit.
Can you guys relate?

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I fucking hate digital, and love physical media. Im a beg.

What's the fastest way to undermine confidence in digital art globally so that j can stay comfy and autistic in the real world (computers ARE NOT divine beings, and should not have access to the creative spark)

Thanks

>>7880368
get better taste and you wont have that problem

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What drawing software is this? I can't recognize it myself by the UI

>>7881923
CSP in touch mode, you can see the CS logo button in the toolbar even.

>>7881986
oh yeah. thx

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Is there something close to aseprite but for normal drawing? CSP is a bit too bloated for me.