How long should I wallow as a permaprebeg before giving up and killing myself?

>>7852774
Well, immediately.

You never leave permabeg, that's why it's called permabeg.

>>7852775
Can the person making the claim to be mistaken?

>>7852794
If you've been a beg for over a year of practice, it's self-evident.

are art classes for adults at my community college worth attending? will they bully me?

>>7852774
The concept of permabeg only exists in this hell called /ic/
In real world, if you can't make art as your main source of income (aka become a profissional) you can always enjoy art as a hobby and keep improving at your on pace

>>7852768
immediatel

>>7852811
What do I tell my mommy?
>>7852850
No I should die.

For pro artists, is it easier to go from traditional to digital or the other way around?

>>7852768
I want to draw but I don't know what to draw...

Okay how much time should be spent on a piece. What's the average from beg to pro? I feel like the thing that's holding me back is the discipline to finish an illustration but I can't tell when to stop refining or perfecting the draft.

>>7853033
A workday or so, I guess, 6-8 hours.

You can spend weeks polishing something, but it's 90% done the first day you stop planning and start drawing.

what's it like being good at art?

>>7852850
That's retarded. He's talking about skill you are talking about livelihood.

How do you guys actually come up with ideas to draw? My creativity has dried up. I used to come up with them a ton but I genuinely can’t remember where I’d get them.

>>7852939
Thats like asking if getting kicked in the nuts or giving birth hurts more. Its entirely person to person and nobody has done both to compare

>>7853283
I just keep making fanart for the same eroge and if I need an idea I play that game some more. or if all else fails draw hatsune miku again

>>7852845
>are art classes for adults at my community college worth attending? will they bully me?

If you're there to work-- you attend class regularly, on time, and you put effort into your homework, nobody will bully you. In fact, you will shine. In my recent experience: the class began with 18 people or so, by the end about 7 were showing up. On any given day, about a third of them wouldn't have made any attempt at the homework, and a few will have spent less than 30 minutes at it. Most that attend will be on time, a few will show up whenever. Those same few will leave to use the bathroom, and return 60 minutes later, if at all. If you are a determined student, you're frankly a welcome relief to the instructor, regardless of skill.

You'll get practice drawing large and with charcoal. If you're lucky and have some determined fellow students, you may learn some thing from their own attempts. As for instruction, some teachers are pretty hands off with the introductory classes. I'd say you'll benefit most from the structure of the class, producing regular large and mostly finished works. If this is something you can manage at home, you can probably save yourself the cost. There are instructors that are rigorous. Look up the class schedule and go meet the instructors, see what students are doing, look at what work is around. They'll probably be fine with you just showing up for a look around, but it is easy enough to email beforehand.

Outside the class, on the walls of the art dept. I'd see work go up and come down regularly. There were a variety of paintings that weren't very impressive. There were also some large charcoal drawings: portraits, animals, that were surprisingly expert.

Anyway, my experience from one intro class.

>>7852768
I live in a country where porn is banned by old outdated colonial laws, but I really want to draw porn, even if I don't make money off of it. What is the likelihood that some bozo on the internet will report me to MY authorities and get me jailed? Say I post on twitter where my location is already exposed by default. Is this a possibility?

>>7853519
Use a VPN you don't need to leak your location just to post art

>>7853519
No one cares about you.

>>7852768
Is connecting my iPad as a second screen for my computer and then drawing on my iPad viable? Obviously it's not recommended but I still want to know if I can use what I have.

>>7852768
How do you shade?

>>7852768
Do I have to be able to draw boxes and cylinders in 3d space perfectly before starting to learn how to construct anatomy in 3d?
Do I need to know how to perfectly rotate a box before moving on the next phases?

>scribble my entire life, chris chan tier
>stop drawing when i enter uni (2018)
>don't pick up art until many years later (2023)
>only draw for a few months
>start seriously studying in 2024
>draw every single day
>improve, though i'm still shitty
>don't draw at all in 2025
>been drawing consistently since the start of the year
it's okay to tell people i've only been drawing for two years right

are there any good guides on drawing heads other than loomis's?

probably belongs in the water cooler talk itt, but i’ve been drawing for a very niche part of a fandom for maybe two and a half years now, and thing are happening pretty much right now that are suddenly making people extremely interested in it, even down to the specifics, and this interest will die out to nothing and the series will become a forgotten relic again after maybe half a year.

ok, now i’m sitting on all of these shit fandom sketches i’ve never shown to anyone else. [they’re shit because i’m improving so quickly after letting myself get extremely rusty at anatomy.] This means that everything i’ve drawn even a few canvases back looks pretty terrible, and it almost hurts to look at, let alone show other people.
but i love this fandom so much i want them to have the art, but it’s like my nightmare to put any of it out there, because there’s no way it won’t be associated with me down the line even if i somehow posted anonymously, my style’s too recognizable, and this niche is too small.

just blogging itt, i guess, because i really am not on any social media, i just draw a lot. i don’t think there’s an answer. the timing is now, when other people would really care, but i just don’t feel ready yet or comfortable with posting any of this stuff. tldr, sorry.

>>7854027
If you really want them out, throw them in bulk, lots of drawings in the same image so people have to do extra work to save a single one of them
Also follow them with a corny text like "doodles" or "sketches"

>>7852939
every pro artist I know started with trad.

>>7853641
Would be good if you could ask something more specific or at least say what kinds style you're going for. is this about the colors? hard vs soft edges? placement? hatching?

>>7854027
Everybody starts out posting shit art. You're art's never going to get good, it can always get better, it never stops. At no point are you going to look at it and say to yourself 'this is good enough'. No matter how good you get, you will never be happy with your own work.

At some point you have to realize that the art isn't for you, the drawing is. The art is for the audience, and they're happy to get just about anything.

>>7854027
>been drawing for a very niche part of a fandom
>sitting on all of these shit fandom sketches i’ve never shown to anyone else
Well you're not really drawing for a "fandom" if you've never posted any of it.
>almost hurts to look at, let alone show other people
>love this fandom so much i want them to have the art
Doesn't add up. Do you or do you not want to show it to other people? Do you believe it's actually bad or just recognize that you're being particularly harsh on yourself where others would not?
>it’s like my nightmare to put any of it out there, because there’s no way it won’t be associated with me down the line
>i really am not on any social media
So it shouldn't even matter then? Hell, in cases like these people tend to worry about others finding out you're into that thing at all rather than the fact that your drawings didn't always look good.
>when other people would really care
Can't really gauge it since I don't know what you're talking about specifically, but I have a feeling they wouldn't actually care a whole lot about some sketches. And if it won't make any real impact there's no need to rush it - those with more than a passing interest in the thing in question will stick around long enough to see them even if you only share when it's "dead" again.

And couldn't you just post the ones you consider good enough? Maybe redraw or polish a few.

>>7854031
this one never occurred to me, it’s definitely a good idea to think about, thanks.
i was kind of feeling the closest i might come to being tempted is what pixiv does with the ability to just throw down a long sequential sheaf of low effort sketches as a single entry, and maybe doing a bunch of these.

>>7854035
i need to print this this post as a bumper sticker, really, just so i can stare at it every day. this has notoriously been the most difficult truth about art for me to just live by since the beginning. but yes, you’re exactly right.


..replied ^ first since a few anons were cool and surprised me with responses, but i was going to toss this after my first post because i guess i felt like i needed to talk about this way too much, tonight. had written:
>>7854027
oh yeah. just an add, more than half of my sketches would probably be considered moderately toxic, from what you all say social media is doing these days. i forget about this since it’s not a consideration if you keep your art to yourself. maybe i’d get killed by some of the fans and banned soon after, lol. no idea what i’d do there. the toxic content is nearly at the level of being cannon though, but yeah.
i’ll get back to work, now.

is the paid version of headmodelstudio app on ios worth using and studying from? the head tilt/camera angle, various levels of anatomy features, and variable lighting seems really fucking useful to do studies from.

>>7854038
> Well you're not really drawing for a "fandom" if you've never posted any of it.
no, you’re right, said this to myself too, but not sure how to phrase that. drawing…fandom content, maybe?
>Doesn't add up,
i don’t want to actively show it to other people, i just want the niche fans i love who’re parched for lack of content to magically find the art in their feeds while the artist has somehow managed to keep from recognizably existing. you see why i like it here, maybe, heh
>So it shouldn’t
No you’re right, I never did mention I want to post content to this fandom when I get over my rustiness, and these past sketches have mostly been a light feeling out as to how these characters and things even work, and coming to understand their personalities. it’s not just the skill that’s rapidly been developing that made the old stuff feel weird. i was going to make a number of less sketchy things i felt better about, that weren’t just my learning process, and post, but sort of ran out of time because the interest hit just now. I’m talking so much..
>Can’t really gauge
Yeah! Kind of like you read my mind. This is almost definitely what I’ll end up doing.

Thanks so much for taking your time to respond so well to my ridiculously long text block, anon.

>>7853681
Not perfectly but you need a good idea on how to do it, every anatomical structure is a 3D form on top of a 3D form that moves around so you need to be able to visualise how those move and distort with each other in space

why are so many software engineers becoming artists?

>>7854198
Lots of free time since we're work from home NEETS and autism gives us good spatial reasoning skills

>>7854093
Ok but does that mean I should complete the drawabox course and I'll be good to go even if I half ass some of it?

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I learned that eminem wanted to be a comic artist and he actually drew pic related but in the thread one of the comments said that he just "slavishly copied" some comic book art and that you can't tell his actual ability from these because of that

is it considered bad to copy stuff like that? they look okay to me. I actually copy references like that but I didn't know it was bad to do so. Should I stop copying references like that?

>>7854258
Just keep drawing

>>7854258
And to answer your question, no you shouldn’t stop copying them. Just copy/study them effectively and consciously. There’s nothing that’s “bad” to draw. Draw everything.

>try drawing freehand cubes in different perspectives and form manipulations
>have trouble doing it from imagination
would I be fucking myself over if I just use a reference

>>7854262
No. It’s good to use lots of ref when studying perspective, it’s hard and it’ll take a lot of time to draw them from imagination so be patient with yourself. Draw them from ref and from imagination, see what went wrong from imagination, and go from there.

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i just had it pointed out to me that apparently i hold my pencil like an autistic retard. i guess youre just supposed to pinch it with your index and thumb more or less but i kind of smother my pencil with all five fingers while angling my hand really hard, like to where the back of my hand is facing the top of the page
should i make an effort to correct my hand posture? im not new to drawing at all so it might not be worth it to bother fixing my shit but im curious if it could benefit me in some way. posting my work just cuz

>>7854282
Are you comfortable drawing that way? If so just keep doing it

>>7854284
my pinky (the 'support' finger i guess) gets a little chafed after a while but im otherwise fine. no carpal tunnel or anything like that so far

>>7854261
well I copy references in all my art. I can understand using them while learning but for my main pieces should I not use them?

>>7854299
It’s okay to use them in pieces if you want to. It’s really up to you. My most recent piece is just a compilation of different references. Like I said, at the end of the day, just keep drawing. Don’t worry so much about when you are/aren’t using reference and focus on creating as much art as possible.

I recently got an OLED monitor with a really wide color gamut, when drawing should I clamp it to sRGB or keep it's native gamut?
I noticed the colors are completely different on my LCD monitor

How do you choose between drawing and protesting I need to go out there and save America from the orange Mussolini

>>7854041
Thanks for the rec

>>7854031
>corny text like "doodles" or "sketches"
FUCK
Didn't know some people think this is corny, why

anyone got a good system for drawing the skeleton?

>>7854027
You're always going to have something in your past that doesn't represent you now. You can't even guarantee that your current best will be received how you want.

>>7854206
It’s a decent basis, just do it until you feel comfortable visualising forms in 3D and can do it with reasonable accuracy
Doesn’t need to be perfect, you’ll continue to improve with time as you construct more complex forms anyway

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When people talk about the peter han dynamic sketching course, do they mean the video series on youtube? Or is there another one?

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>>7854894
The skeleton is a hard one. Just take different approaches. Sometimes use lines to draw the rib cage. Sometimes use cylinders. Sometimes draw it as one, large mass. Sometimes just go straight into it. Point is don’t rely on one method

>>7855014
looks sick man

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>>7855070
Haha that’s not my drawing, it’s frank frazetta’s sketchbook drawings.

How do I stop you stupid jerks from being assholes to me?

>>7855091
I’ve learned when people are rude to you and you say “you’re right” followed by a calm response it shuts them down

>>7855097
Oh yeah well fuck you, nigger!

>>7855098
You’re right, I just think you should take me out first

Can somebody explain how poipiku works? Why can you only send 10 emoji reactions per day? Are those convertible to some type of currency or what

>>7855014
i'm okay with drawing the basic forms, but the hardest for me are drawing the shoulder girdle/scapula in perspective

How do I make characters (female) look cute/attractive?

How to tell if composition is good? What are some books for this topic? If there's some kind of intuition or sense to nailing this down I have zero of it.

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>>7855339
Idk what to tell you anon. That’s just doing to take time. Study shoulders from life, how other artists draw them, and study perspective intently. Sometimes drawing the shoulder is super easy, it just depends on what you’re trying to draw.

>>7855552
Creative illustration by Loomis

https://www.alexhays.com/loomis/

>>7855479
Study the faces of attractive women in the real world and ref. Find what makes faces objectively attractive such as balance of features, smaller features on women, proportions, etc.

What's the deal with all the lolifootfag chinese artists outputting clean, soft-shaded hires art like it takes them no effort? Did they build an Antifreeze3 cloning factory? Is it the infamous asian jeans?
You could argue it all looks derivative and/or soulless, but I can't say I hate it.

So i have been following Peter Han's Dynamic Sketching tutorial and have been grinding organic shapes for cross countour lines.
What are some traps to avoid being stuck at a particular subject? I'm pretty sure many people have gone through this road without following it perfectly,so i want to avoid pitfalls.
First issue i have currently is that despite practicing the rendering part beforehand,i kind of can't apply the textures to the organic shapes.
I can pretty much only do cross hatching but anything more complex and my mind goes blank on how to adjust it for the different forms.

Does anyone here know of any good digial painters who sart out with oulines and gradually move to a more painterly image over time and have proces videos up on youtube? I'm strugling to translate my drawing skills to painting. I fel like this sort of workflow would be helpful, but I don't know many painters and the ones I do know start out with blocking in shapes.

When I copy from photos
>look at reference for .5 second
>draw for .5 second
>repeat at rapid speed

Is this something I'll eventually get over or am I doing something wrong? I need to do it like this for accuracy else the drawing is shit

>>7856472
Ahmed Aldoori discusses both methods on meds map

Also I saw krenz cushart having images of his process in artstation of one of his paintings and he starts with lines, idk if there's a process video of any of his paintings though

>>7856485
Meant for >>7855986 oops

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What was the name of the western cartoonist who drew like this? Sort of. I remember he had a thread here a year or several ago.

>>7852768
Has anyone tried Noah Bradley's art camp? Is it worth it?

>>7853519
Speak only in English, set your location by region instead of country or use a VPN, don't be a retard and don't make unemployed or maladapted people your enemies and you should be fine.

Very few artists from countries where porn is banned get into trouble, it's usually because someone got mad at them and then doxxed them

>>7855339
Study from reds, lots and lots of repetition and drawing them from memory. Repeat as needed.

This would be a $300 art course btw

I'm getting started with traditional drawing. How do I take pictures of my art properly? Every time I try it looks blurry and unfocused.

Is something like gesture drawing but for heads/faces a thing?

>>7857492
The riley method?

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>>7857492
Paul richer sort of covers it

Your all asshole go fuck your self

>>7857548
What about my all asshole go fuck your self?

>>7857076
I take my photos outdoors on an overcast day. Cloudy enough that the light reaching the surface is bright but diffuse rather than direct.

>>7857504
That seems to be exactly what I'm looking for, thanks

>>7856630
Chris Reccardi?

What makes a pose express that a person is feeling awkwardness or that is uncomfortable?

I've tried to look for tutorials or comments about this but everything is just about dinamic poses and most of those look relaxed or confident.

>>7857618
Eyes are the window to the soul. Otherwise, body language.

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>>7857618
study acting. some animation books like 'acting for animators' cover it.

When is the right time to switch from paper to digital?

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What is the ideal height of the monitor relative to line of sight? Picrel is my current setup but I've been really paranoid about it somehow warping drawings.

>>7857711
In my experience the answer is whenever you feel like it.
The truth is that even as a digital artist you should keep practicing with paper and pencil.

>>7856926
This gives me hope. Thanks

>>7857595
No, this guy's art was more sensual/sexy.

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how to correctly adjust it for everyday drawings and save my poor wrist?

>>7858125
and the tip feel is set on 2/7 from soft to firm

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>>7858125
In your tablet settings. adjust the 100% point to where you don't have to press that hard to get a max pressure stroke. Different tablets and styluses work differently so there's no one size fits all. Plenty of pros leave it default, or have it so you barely have to press hard at all to get max pressure. (pic related) Adjust the curve so you can get smooth transitions from thin to thick and thick to thin again. Depends on how you grip and hold the stylus so you'll have to experiment yourself. Don't make the curve too extreme so that you can't get the full range of strokes.
For different types of brushes, you might want different pressure curves too. Depending on the type of brush you might want a lot of or none so adjust the brushes pressure curve accordingly.

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>>7858071
Shane Glines?

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Am I tripping or is this final fantasy tactics concept art AI?

>>7858573
Filtered in a way that makes it look AI, probably. But this art existed way way back so no

>>7858573
What exactly makes you think it's AI?

>>7858573
This looks nothing like AI.

>>7853283
Look at paintings, drawings, sculptures, photos, movies, videos, games, and, of course, real life.

What do you like? Fighting scenes? Religious themes? Nature scenery? Drugs? Porn? Cyberpunk shit? Ancient shit? Look at others art about similar or the same thing, imagine rotating the scene, now draw that.

For practice, Look at others art about similar or the same thing, imagine rotating the scene, now draw that. Take an animal or bug or plant, mix it with a human (or another animal, bug, or plant). Draw the last dream you remember.

i am....howie

>>7859292
>forgot to erase the duplicate line before posting
I thought my brain was fucking up rereading that

Anyway, how do you stop being scared to fuck up your "best" sketch, and how do you stop chasing the high of making a really good sketch (and immediately going back to making really shitty sketches)

What to do when seething envy

>>7859346
Convert it into motivation.

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nsfwalbum removed all their hegre content. Anyone know a good alternative?

how come drawing with my mouse on paint or an art tablet doesnt feel as good as drawing on paper even though my paper scribbles are much dog shit and i can't fix mistakes like i can digitally?

>>7859772
> doesnt feel as good
no resistance, and it will never feel as good

my brain feels more engaged drawing with paper, i mean

does handwriting correlate with skill in any way. will your handwriting improve as you get better or if your handwriting is already really bad you're ngmi?

>>7860097
different skillsets

How do I know how much darker skin or any other material should be in shadows?

I feel Im stuck on this. Halp.

anyone have that comic making fun of people that buy gear for hobbies before starting? it's about gardening and it compares two people, one waits until they have all the tools before starting and the other "just gardens"

>>7852768
What's the point of all those pose collections that often cost money, when I can just go on pinterest and draw stuff I see there?

>>7860695
Because pinterest is just full of gravure photo shots and zaps dopamine because it knows you're male gazing where your mouse pointer is placed.

Why is it that most artists that are only interested in drawing cute girls also really good at drawing in general/everything else?

>>7852774
If you need to ask, you already failed. You stop being a permaprebeg when you stop asking others what to do and just draw.

Go have fun in /i/ and get yourself a deviantart instead of wasting time doing absolutely nothing

Is there any website, app, or software where I can put in a bunch of (written) ideas or prompts I have and press a button to randomly select one of the ideas?

Not a big fan of the "spin the wheel" ones, the wheel becomes so cramped that eventually it crashes

>>7861046
Shoykdve actually looked for one before asking, then again, this is the stupid questions thread.

Random name picker app does exactly what I need

>>7861048
You can also just make one, it's a good babys first programming project.