What do traditional artists mean by pushing something foward or backward when painting?
>>7856968It means to have something appear to recede into the background, or pop out in the foreground. Practically speaking, it means decreasing the contrast and saturation to push something back, or vice-versa.
>>7856972interedesting.not Op but do you have any example?
>>7857031See how the flying cherubs are closer in value and even hue to the sky? That pushes them back, in the literal sense of being more distant but also in the sense of being lower in the visual hierarchy. Bouguereau puts the strongest contrasts on Venus to push her forward and draw the viewers eye to her.
>>7856968fauvist painters spammed this for better value ranges. the idea is dark values recede, light values come forward, they would use pure color as their value range: example of their paintings with color
>>7856968Just referring to emphasis points in the art
>>7857126same painting desaturated; a lot of their color theory is more relevant today because we all paint off references from lit screens and its near impossible to translate value scales off of a lit screen without fauvist color theory. if cezanne is the grandfather of modern paintings, matisse is the father
>>7857114I see.Guess Egyptians did the same.
>>7856968As objects recede away from you, there is more air, or atmosphere between your eye and the object. This causes things to blur and take on the color of the surrounding atmosphere -usually blue if its outdoors.
>>7857126This is a terrible example that shows no depth or color theory. The faraway mountains are as dark as the closest shadows. You'd never see that irl
>>7857216>no depthOverlaps in the drawing show depth.>or color theoryAlternating warms and cools separate the back, mid and foregrounds, to start.>You'd never see that irlConsider taking up photography.
>>7857216real life isn't made of pigment reflecting different amounts of light into your eyes from a flat plane, retardstay in your lane, diginigger
>>7857282What does this mean? Please explain what youre trying to say. Real life has atmosphere and air. Go outside and look at mountains and compare them to the closest direct shadows around you. Literally go outside and look into the distance. You'll notice something... something very peculiar about far away objects.
>>7857260Alternating warm and cools separate the back mid and foregrounds? Oh so every temperature of color randomly used throughout the entire piece? Yeah dude - thats color theory alright! Thats how you use warm and cool. Just alternate bro
>>7857292read that again, you retarded nigger
>>7857294Read Alla Prima before posting, you're embarrassing yourself.
>>7857260Look here's a pic of mountains in the distance I just took. Notice anything? Retard
>>7857298How about go outside and use your eyeballs. My god this board is genuinely retarded
>>7857302Right back at you, go actually look at a painting in real life, you'll notice something not happening on a screen, /beg/tard.
>>7857304Yeah just ignore the photo I just took perfectly illustrating my point - which is the objective visual reality of earth -
>>7857306>photo>objective realityLOL retardYou can't even bring yourself to pretend to have seen a painting in real life, fucking embarrassing.
>>7857306literally the first thing everyone tells you about painting is to paint from life because cameras don't work like your eyes, especially for values
What do you guys gain from this? Pretending to be retarded and delusional. Is it some weird ego thing? Do you come here to pretend youre some artist and it makes you happy? Do you just want to ragebait people? Its obvious you both have no idea what youre talking about. What's the point? Is this small bit of social interaction we are having back and forth your entire goal?
>>7857326Alla Prima and Color and Light. Read them, retard, and don't talk about physical media when you don't even look at actual paintings with your own eyes.
>>7857329Its weird that my copy of Color and Light has an entire chapter covering this and saying exactly what ive said. Again youre delusional and pretending to be an artist when its obvious you have no idea what youre talking about lol. Im surrounded by paintings irl. You can paint a painting to look any way you want - that has nothing to do with anything. What do you gain from this?
>>7857333Now read the chapter about how eyes process value and cannot simultaneously perceive the shadow and light values and how that affects painting.
>>7857339Im not not continuing this. Enjoy being retarded and sucking at art lol
>>7857343>literally seething so hard he can't even butthurtpost without fucking everything upSad.
>>7857114So back in the day these artist had naked children posing for them?
>>7857294fauvist theory doesnt have warms and cools, thats the entire fucking point. when you get rid of those you get the expanded value range. its a choice for one thing over another, you can't have both, if you reduce colors to their values you can't get darks without purple, or lights without yellow, the coolness or warmness of the color only matters a tiny amount, because you're still more focused on how it's perceived in terms of it's lights, darks, and midtones.
>>7857846Nothing you've said makes any sense here. The entire idea of fauvism is emotional expression instead of realistic. Vibrant colorful paintings that ignore color theory and reality. A niche style. How is that relevant to a beginner wanting to learn depth? The picture OP posted shows a dramatic example of atmospheric perspective and blurred edges ( something fauvism purposely ignores!) Furthermore - color theory is nearly irrelevant here because the sky can be whatever hue, value, or temperature. Its irrelevant to atmospheric perspective and depth. It can be the entire color wheel. You're like an insufferable college douche that took intro to philosophy and now you waffle endless bullshit while listing random philosophers you've heard of. I dont think you know what any of these terms actually mean. I wouldn't even say you suck at art because I know you dont even try. Perma nodraw beglet crab boy
