Now that the dust has settled, is digital art fake art?
>>7857050Not at all. The only fake art is AI slop.
>>7857050>auto corrects lines>smoothes lines>ctrl+z at any time>auto fill>layersIt's one step away from being AI slop
>>7857050I hated the development of cg for the last 10 years at least, photobashing, 3d, filter color aberration and so on, when ai slop spread i decided that im done with digital art for good.Did trad only. But after i while, i was like nah fuck it, its not for them to define whats art and what not. Many, many trad artist do trace ai-slop anyway.So right now, i would say it depends. If youre ready to go the extra mile it can be art, for sure.If you are a lazy, trends chasing fag, cg will allow you to take all the shortcuts int he world and produce slop very fast and easy, its for you do decide not to.
>>7857097do people understand that one that draws on digital can also draw on paper? It isn't some esoteric skillDrawing on paper has also other advantages when compared to drawing on a tablet, like the enhanced precision when compared to drawing on a glass screen of varying resolutions and parallax.Stuff like lines smoothing it's almost necessary because of it, drawing on glass and drawing on paper are completely different and drawing on paper is much easier for most people.It does obviously offer huge advantages, especially in speed and convenience, but unless you've very bad habits if you can draw on digital you'll be able to also draw on paper.Maybe if you're really not used to it it might take a week or two of training, but the skill set is the same, as far as drafting is concerned.Same with color theory and rendering.Of course you'll not be able to perfectly apply the skills to all different tools since they require specific techniques but the important stuff, the foundation, it's all the same.
>>7857254nta but a lot of digital-only artists in 2025 can't create anything other than a doodle or drawing on analog. It's not like in 2001 when literally every digital artist came from analog art
>>7857259>can't create anything other than a doodle or drawing on analogsure, but as I said because knowing how to paint with oils or water colors requires learning the specific technique. Somebody who drew with pencil on paper all their lives will still not know how to use them if they didn't learn how to.But if you know composition, color theory, shading etc., transitioning to analog instruments shouldn't be a huge ordeal. You won't be a master obviously since it will require further training to become really good at it but that''s true even for when you go from like water color to oils.Unless you really heavily rely on digital copes, especially transform and liquify tool, or exclusively working with layer filters and never do any traditional shading, you shouldn't have many problem in transitioning to one medium to the other.
>>7857287nta but I think this guy illustrates your pointhttps://x.com/PluviumG/media
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>>7857322Based.
>>7857319this is pretty low level stuff... what is this supposed to prove? are we comparing this to a full time painter/draftsman in trad media, because this falls really short of professional level for fine arts.
>>7857424>But if you know composition, color theory, shading etc., transitioning to analog instruments shouldn't be a huge ordeal.
>>7857424>>7857446>You won't be a master obviously since it will require further training to become really good at it but that''s true even for when you go from like water color to oils.
Digital has more crutches immediately available than trad, and it is easier to avoid or fix mistakes. But one can find crutches to use in trad, also. But in both cases, the artist is manually applying his ability to convey or realize line, value, textures, colour, value, form and composition. And there is a direct throughline of consciousness to body to canvass.
>>7857424ù>what is this supposed to prove?that you're being obnoxious here>this is pretty low level stuff.you have a very personal definition of low levelIt's not a master of course but nobody ever said anything about all being digital artists being automatically skilled, just that one's skill set will translate fairly smoothly from one medium to the other>a full time painter/draftsman in trad mediameans nothing and it's the usual masturbatory practice about muh trad art.The fine arts already have a myriad of definitions for what is professional level, competent or good taste, and just using a brush on canvas doesn't automatically make you a better draftsman.It is heavily dependent on the skill set you're interested in really.
>>7857050It's just another medium. All the "cheats" you can do digitally you can also do irl. Photobashing? Was literally done in film before computers. Infinite undo? Just scrape the paint off. Tracings refs? Projectors and lightboxes are 200+ years old. So on.Only people getting cheated are art supply companies not getting $100+ a year from the million color pencils I used to go through in a year.
>>7857097>more stabler lines by default due to friction>tapes and stickers of various types>stamps of various types>translucent/tracing papers>light boards and projectors>other tools and technology like Camera Oscura that have already existed for 200+ years.yeah, and your noble and prestigious trad art has already been "one step away from being AI slop" for years now.some trad fags are still in the delusion and cope mode, where they pretend that trad can't be "cheated" like digital, while all it needs is just a little more time and money.
>>7857446i like how it just pops more and the random lines and texture add so much more appeal. not saying the digital version is worse, its different, but i personally prefer the tradpiece.
>>7857460You’re overestimating the average digifag who can’t even correctly mix green paint without wondering why it didn’t come out right. They’re all used to using the color picker/gradient maps/tone curves to fix colors. Not even calling it a crutch or cheating or whatever. It’s a different skill set. But If it takes a year to learn trad coming from digital that means you didn’t fucking know trad
>>7857147What? Do you only enjoy creating something if it has to be this specific traditionally approved set of skills?Like, I always enjoyed watching makings of practical special effects and just see the creativity of the artists in trying to accomplish an effect/illusion instead of how good they could follow a hard rule on making things.
>>7857727>>You’re overestimating the average digifag who can’t even correctly mix green paint without wondering why it didn’t come out rightthat has very little to do with actually knowing how to render, and is a skill that I'm sure can be acquired fairly quickly when compared to knowing how to draw in and of itself.>But If it takes a year to learn trad coming from digital that means you didn’t fucking know tradI didn't say that? I said that if you know how to render you know how to render*, regardless of mediumOf course somebody that has never used oils will not know how to use oils, but it doesn't mean that they aren't 90% there by virtue of knowing how to render in absolute terms.*obviously there will be some people that will rely more on shortcuts and so will have a harder time, but that's not all digital artists, and the same is true for non digital mediums too, just with different methods
>>7857097Traditional has glitter which is an instant cheat desu. pulls focus to one element of your choice. On a more serious noteOverall it all really depends though doesn't it. Watercolor does allow you to basically imitate a multiply layer while with acrylic and oil you can go light over dark, on clear foils you get all the convenience of layers... Obviously if you stick to one medium it has up and downsides but by going multimedia you can do nearly anything digital can. Crtl z is amazing....at wasting hours. you're gonna need to get line control eventually if you don't wanna spend a week on a headshot.
Yeah man don't you know that digital art is made by those fake government birds? Its a massive cover up.Less dumb response. I feel that due to various tools present in digital art it gets discounted- I can just Ctrl+Z instead of using an eraser or I have layers to prevent me from drawing on it. However those tools in one shape or another exist in the meatspace you can use white out to fix a mistake or paint over it, you can strip away a layer of something. I think its sufficient to separate digital art from regular art not because of its ease of use but because its made in a different medium and thus requires different skills like with Photography.
>>7857855>and thus requires different skills like with Photography.The fundamental skills, which are the most important ones, are the same for both digital and traditional mediums of draftsmanship.You also need to train to use a new digital tool to paint or brush engine(although usually to a much lesser degree), that still doesn't mean that people that use two different programs or brushes with very different settings aren't within the same category of people that ultimately just know how to draw.And also, these arguments like the ones itt usually conveniently ignore that people that use digital mediums not necessarily will not know how to use traditional ones and viceversa. The implication is always that the people that draw digitally always and exclusively stay within the digital medium, and traditional ones never even touch a pc.It all feels like dumb purity tests for idiots to be honest.
>>7857867Yeah but there are digital skills you need to learn as well like how to use clipping masks, layer effects, saving your work etc.
