>>7861329
Firstly, you can still buy Clipstudio outright (last I heard), they do have that obnoxious subscription model, but it's your choice to be stupid and use that instead of buying.

As for better drawing... I suppose? It's essentially just more options and tools, and in the end, it's up to the artist to make use of those tools.
All the cool brushes in the world won't help a shit artist make great art, meanwhile a good artist can make great art with just the hard round brush.
That said, a good artist with those cool brushes could possibly do better things, or alternatively, may feel bogged down by all those extra options and make shittier art because of it.

So my point is that a app is just a tool, and like any tool, it's really up to the skill of the user wielding it.
As for the specific apps you see, a few companies have basically got a massive slice of the market share, which is why you see them so often.

Yes, it does, but only if you're using trash software with shitty/limited engines like FireAlpaca or Medibang.

Professionals who insist on using Photoshop are just boomers who can't learn to use something new. Krita, CSP, SAI are more than okay these days, altho SAI is more limited on tools and brushes.

>>7861333
When you buy a "permanent" CSP license, you're actually buying a 1-year suscription. You can still use it after that but you won't receive any security, bug, feature update after that.

It's so bad, getting an yearly update pass is actually cheaper than upgrading version by version every year. And you can't even skip versions when upgrading, you have yo pay for every single year you're behind.

I get the sentiment that subscribing to software is cancer but, $10 a year is literally nothing and you permanently own its license and can stop paying whenever you'd like and still have the software be functional, unlike photoshop which is what? $20 a month and you will never ever get to own it.
I am a piratechad with the entirety of adobes creative suit on my computer and I will still pay for CSP because of the convenience.

>>7861339
You dont even get the 1 year subscription.

You get the base 4.0 version, and no updates. You have to buy an update pass for updates.

Once 5.0 releases, you will then get the final release. Until then, you only get 4.0. I think the latest is 4.2.5.

According to my CSP, i have 4.0.3 because of my perpetual license. I bought it a couple of months ago.

>>7861339
Ah yeah, the subscription for updates is pretty scummy too, but acting like the initial full releases are so bug laden (and a security nightmare?) that they're unusable is a bit silly.
But whatever, I just use my csp 1.0 until I really feel the need to update (never, perhaps?)

>>7861329
Pros use whatever they grew up with
Once you get good the only difference a software makes is on how fast you're able to do certain things, so if one is used to the dogshit PS UI there's no reason to switch

Call me a paypig but I'm happy to pay the devs annually to constantly update CSP. It stays competitive and even surpasses photoshop in some ways. Plus I can name all the features that were added or improved in each release. In comparison, I have no idea what the Adobe Suite does to improve any of their software to justify their astronomical prices.

>>7861352
what do the updates do anyways I got my 1.X perpetual license and I have not seen any new feature good enough to justify spending even more money

Drawing software hasn’t meaningfully improved in over two decades and the same goes for drawing tablets. If anything, they’ve gotten worse. You don’t need more than Photoshop CS6 which is effectively freeware at this point. Clip Studio Paint is a one-time purchase and goes on sale all the time.

>>7861377
they add 3d related features and stuff that is more related to efficient manwha production rather than actual art. the guy who draws tsugumomo still livestreams himself using like a two decade old version of Manga Studio and it works perfectly fine for doing complete manga production. its pointless to buy anything else from them, its more about your good will if you feel like it but dont spend your money on anything but the ver1 perpetual license

>>7861339
>I want perpetual updates for one-time purchase

>>7861339
Version updates are more like
>a ton of 3dslop updates
>1-2 features actually related to drawing that's usable
>a bunch of qol
>some bugfixes
It's not worth it. You could skip 2-3 versions.

if only there was a way to use it for free

>>7861339
>You can still use it after that but you won't receive any security, bug, feature update after that.
yes retard that's how things used to work before gay subscription models

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>>7861352
>>According to my CSP, i have 4.0.3 because of my perpetual license.
>mfw still on 1.13

>>7861333
I fell for the perpetual license meme. The problem is that compatibility can break overnight now because your computer's subscription OS is making changes every day so even last year's software could stop working well unless it gets a small update. Which won't happen like how you used to get free updates for basic functionality. Now they just tell you to buy the new version when you report a bug. It would be like being told to buy new hardware every time a driver update is needed. It is what it is, but don't sugarcoat it

>>7861412
thats mostly on the OS then

>>7861329
As much as a pencil does. Some people don't care, some people swear by blackwings(overrated imo), some people just use a specific pencil because they like the feel. You can get good results with any of them but some are going to be better at this or that, and what's important to you is how you decide what to use.
>>7861352
>>7861377
I went from CSP 1 to 3 and aside from some interface things it really didn't seem to change at all. Despite the version numbers I don't think there's been any massive changes, I think it's all marketing.

>>7861329
Software doesn't matter. I've seen masterpieces drawn on a rock, or entire digital artworks made using the default hard round brush. Just download Krita, and if you somehow manage to get a professional gig at a company; you can learn the basics of Photoshop or CSP in a week.

>>7861424
>I went from CSP 1 to 3 and aside from some interface things it really didn't seem to change at all. Despite the version numbers I don't think there's been any massive changes, I think it's all marketing.

I recall they've added a proper liquify, and some much better text editing/design tools than the bullshit ones 1.0 has. Honestly not enough to justify multiple version updates, but I haven't been keeping up with what they're doing either. I'm sticking to my stinky old version for now.

>>7861339
Genuine question. Do you need all those updates? Unless you're doing animation drawing is simply drawing. I've been fine with the version 1 EX.

they upgraded me to 4.0 from 3.0 for free because I bought it some months before they released 4.0.
anything notable in the newer 4.0 updates?

I bought a refurbished Win7 machine for like $80 off ebay. Everything I will ever need to draw is on it. You don’t need the latest software or a high-end machine to draw. 8GB of RAM is more than enough.
Nigga what more do you need?

>>7861329
No, as long as you enjoy using the tool and it has everything you need to make your art, it doesn't matter what tool you use.

That being said, Photoshop and CSP are popular because people make more tutorials for them causing more people to only know howto use/where the tools are in those apps/software, people are afraid to experiment in unfamiliar apps

People will say Photoshop is ass, then not even know what a gradient map is. I always tell people if they don't have intentions of using Photoshop as a power user, just pirate CSP. It has everything you'll need. Using Photoshop for any other reason is just a waste of your money if you're not going to put in the effort to actually learn how to utilize the program.

>>7861550
>waste of money

whoa whoa whoa money? to adobe?

>>7861411
lmao, same. You can buy a new licensee for each version and it's cheaper too as well. I plan on getting either 4.0 or 5.0. Because those updates are actually major and not some useless shit/bloat

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>>7861431
I'm still on ver 1 EX.

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>>7861329
Any other Sketchbook CHADs?

>>7861436
here, 4.0 was a major updated and a bunch of stuff that got added and it's actually useful and not some bloat.

https://www.clipstudio.net/en/news/202503/12_01/ss got added.

>get Krita because it just works
>work it does, but it's largely incompatible with all the jap tutorials I end up watching
>look into CSP
>jesus fucking christ
>end up pirating 1.13.2 off some chink forum
>open it up
>still a bloated mess despite being outdated
>but genuinely not as bad as photoshop
Should have gone analog.

>>7861713
>>get Krita because it just works
Krita just works in the same way a paraplegic just gets around

>>7861618
>3d models
>alpha lock lmfao
Wait is that it?
What kind of update is that?

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>>7861329
>picrel uses PS, probably pirated
>only uses 3 basic brushes for 90% of a painting
>no frills drawing and painting, uses the most barebones of tools
dont tell me you need anything more than that?
>>7861424
most of the CSP updates are just qol and features that appeal /beg/s. anyone worth their salt doesnt really give a shit about most of those features anyway. those testimonies you see on the csp website are just paid shills who have every incentive to endorse CSP like what >>7861463 said.

>>7861736
Nvm, I see they also added puppet warp and liquify. Game changing stuff right here. I think I'll stick to 3.0

>>7861352
>Once 5.0 releases, you will then get the final release.
I don't think so? If you want perpetual access to the features released in 4.1, 4.2 and 4.3 your only option is to buy 5.0 whenever it comes out, otherwise you're stuck on 4.0 forever.

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>>7861436
>anything notable in the newer 4.0 updates?

>>7861816
Don't know why they'd show somebody turning that on then using stabilizer when drawing considering you'd want that when using stabilizer.

>>7861401
>buy perpetual license as advertised
>it becomes unperpetual because of jewery
Your generation is retarded. It blows my mind that kids these days can't tell this is wrong. It didn't used to be this way.

>buying subscriptions
did people forget how to pirate stuff? The apps don't matter, just whatever you like using. I'm still using the same pirated PS cs6 since 10 years ago.

>>7862009
zoomers cant pirate bro

>>7862002
Are you implying that you don't own a perpetual CSP license when you buy it?

>>7862009
Nah, for the longest time, subscriptions were low enough that people could justify the cost for convenience. But Jews will do as they do, and now people are slowly starting to sail the seas again. Piracy is already making a resurgence now that having local copies of stuff is becoming important as we start heading into a future where owning things locally, both hardware and software, will be a luxury reserved for the wealthy. So make the most of piracy while you can. They're already trying to get rid of VPN.

>>7861329
Clip studio is not a subscription you retarded nigger

>>7862092
You own the license at least until the servers are still running
But you dont get updates like those tiny "you can add reflections to 3d models now!" shit
I'm on version 3 and I dont see any real reason for the new updates.. I like puppet warp on PS but I dont really use it much on CSP. All I need to do is try out update pass once and then realized I don't need any of those crap.
Now I mostly have the storage subscription because it's easier to work with on Windows and then onto my tablet and my foldable by just having one sync'd cloud file. Ofc local files are still on my desktop but I dont have to keep downloading and uploading when I made moderate progress on 7 different artworks and then I want to work on them when travelling.

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Mischief is the goat, perfect default brushes, infinite canvas and more lightweight than paint, yall niggas could only wish

Why don't people use Affinity

>>7862092
No updates means its probably not gonna run on windows 69 or whenever the OS gets different enough to cause compatibility issues. An Issue solvable by a virtual machine tho

>>7862162
ideally we'd use it, but it sucks for serious stuff, you can sketch with it just fine and even paint to some extent, but the workflow is just fucking unbearable, the brush engine also has some bugs

i'm hoping they'll improve affinity for artists, it'd be great

>>7862136
if you insist on the newest version it is

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>>7862160
I raise you microsoft whiteboard

>>7862169
laggy as fuck, needs a NASA pc to run properly, no layers, no color wheel + shitty default brushes, just no

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Where the fuck do people pirate clip studio paint from? Only torrents I saw were of questionable quality.

>>7862173
supposedly from a super secret chinese website or sum, fr

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I tried MyPaint of all things recently, and it's lovely to draw in. But there's a problem (two in fact). It has basically no image editing tools - I really just need resize, and it doesn't even have that. And my mouse would randomly stop working in the program every 20 minutes, where I'd then have to relaunch it. That shit combined was bad enough to make me switch to Drawpile which has the MyPaint brush engine built in.
I wish it was a little more polished, because it genuinely reminded me of drawing in MS Paint '98 in how no-bullshit it was, while having everything else I wanted. It has this "infinite" canvas starting out that you make smaller instead of bigger and most of the screen clutter disabled by default (easy to enable), just really neat.
Other than that, SAI is the best for my style of painting, I've found. That Watercolor brush just melts colors like warm butter.
CSP is still the best bang for buck and I'm used to it. But I pretty much hate painting in at this point, something just always feels off. Good for image editing and I guess drawing.

>>7862175
What did he mean by this

>>7861329
No, what matters is how comfortable you are with it so you can just muscle memory everything related to the software and shortcuts and use your brain to focus on drawing.

>>7861742
>only uses 3 basic brushes for 90% of a painting
EO58 brushes are not basic brushes lmao, he uses a modified modeling brush (like the ones from drawpile) and a textured line for shadows, absolute fucking kino

https://www.reddit.com/r/DigitalArt/comments/1hth9lq/a_lot_of_people_asking_for_eo58_58mw_brush_pack/

im tradfag

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>>7861329
>$300 a year
>$12 a year

>>7861333
Yeah, they still have perpetual licenses. I don’t know why someone would subscribe unless they didn’t want to commit to the software.

So what's the point of using photoshop in this day and age when it's a mega expensive sub service? I still see people use it in some art tutorial vids or draw videos and I don't get it.

Is it that much better then csp?

>>7863673
They are used to work using that program. Personally I only like it for editing images

>>7863673
its photo editing software and its better at doing that than at being drawing software. Clip studio paint is dedicated art software

>>7863771
it also comes packaged with like a couple other programs that all share the same weird default hotkeys and cross compatibility. if you wanna do complex projects in a team like mixed 2D and 3D animation there is incentive to just use that suite.

>>7863673
Photoshop still has a bunch of other general digital image editing tools like context aware fill, better puppet warp, a bit of gen-ai stuff (you're using Photoshop, duh), select object/subject, remove BG, more filters, etc. I don't use PS much but occasionally I'd stumble on PS tutorials like how to remove watermarks and they made the steps look so easy. But often times the methods are counterintuitive so it's more useful for image manipulation

>>7861329
imo pick the one least annoying to use for u so u can streamline ur process. vairies from person to person obv

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>>7861329
Not in the slightest

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>>7861333
BTW "perpetual" or "lifetime" licenses also tend to only last 4-5 years

>>7863893
damn i am a year overdue then and it still hasn't self-destructed

>>7863850
it does, that looks fake and it's modern windows

>>7863549
t. poorfag

>>7862162
I tried installing it but for some reason it wouldn't open
But I got affinity designer and so far I'm liking it

>>7862002
>>7862092
it litteraly the same shit as photoshop did with CS1 CS2 CS3 etc etc back in the days

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I think my digital drawings leveled up somewhat when I switched from GIMP 2 to Krita
pic rel is gimp

>>7866448
got a blog?

>>7861412
You're an absolute imbecile. I haven't updated drivers or anything OS related in more than 10 years. I'm on the newest csp version, running it a without issue.

Idiot, faggot, retard, brainwashed pig. Stop spreading corpo fear around, you don't need every single throttling update your corporate masters release, you know nothing, zoomer idiot

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You can run a cracked version of Photoshop from like 10 years ago and it runs even better than the bloated new versions, does pretty much everything modern Photoshop does (content aware fill, liquify etc.) plus it doesn't have any of the Adobe cloud bullshit or logins.
If you're worried about the software constantly annoying you to update it (the way even the latest versions do) just create a firewall rule to never allow the software to connect to the Internet.
Modern painting software is just an over designed, over bloated, subscription kikery riddled mess. Save yourself the ball ache.

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>>7863549
>Paying for software...ever

>>7861329
no and i'll never get tired of saying this, a good artist can make art with a wet turd and drawing on the ground, you don't need any good programs, what good is your art if you rely on the program to do it, get my point? you shouldn't depend on how good a program is, or what brushes you use...

>>7861329
Adobe hate has kind of become a meme. Most people don't have a problem with paying for stuff. The problem is Adobe's famously bad customer service.

Adobe was one of the first indian call-center. One of the first to implement auto-subscription after free trial so you would buy a year subscription if you forgot to unsubscribe after the 30-day trial. And then they didn't even have an unsubscribe button. You had to call their phone number to unsubscribe.

>>7866885
but i cant open my 2020 psd files in photoshop cs6

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>>7866892
>have you tried not being a poorjeet

>>7867192
Adobe is ran by a jeet literally, why do you think they're going so hard into AI?

Krita is more than enough for a hobbyist and even begs for couple of years I would say. Then you should move onto program of what your favorite artists use to make Art that you want to make. For animating and Manga, you can go for CSP. You can make illustrations in it too but I have seen Photoshop used more. For painting there are dedicated softwares like Rubelle. Just get the specialized program only after you are sure what you want to do otherwise just stick to Krita for now. It's more than enough. You don't even more anyway. Just a brush, way to manipulate canvas i.e. drag, zoom in/out, rotate, reset view, manipulate opacity/size/flow of brush, select colours, and how to blend consistently. Rest of it just pure your skill of how convincingly you can draw form and how rest of the elements interact with your subject. Good artists can draw with their fingers and some pigment and still end up making great Art.

https://x.com/clip_celsys/status/2016429790941839635

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>>7861329
>subcsription
I use Photoshop CS3.

i dont understand why you retards need the NEWEST photoshop.
what's wrong with the old one that works fine without subscription

>>7861329

you're doing it backwards. don't look for "the right software" thinking that it will make you a good artist. the right tool can make the job quicker and easier, but it won't buy you instant skill.

i recommend only using freeware and building your skill and expertise around FOSS work environments. it might be harder (blender is a bitch), but it's worth it not to pay the software jew.

I'm using Krita on Android since I've got no idea about pirating Android software outside of small game apks

>>7869174
is that the african anal rape bat spirit who gapes your asshole if you talk shit about it

>>7867608
I can open 2022 psds in cs6
seems like a you problem

>>7870073
how?

grok told me it cant

>>7869169
another version to skip yet again.

>>7869174
CS3 has visual glitches just moving around the canvas, at least upgrade to cs5 or cs6

>>7870073
That's a lot of psds.