all that you need is this, and pc
>no relevant artist using it>no screen>2026okay kaczynski
>>7874676>Shitahow infected is your neovagina?
>>7874678>>7874681What do you guys use? If I look up beginner videos and software recommendations for artists on YouTube, everyone recommends it.
>>7874695I use a screenless tablet, as do plenty of artists (and most started with them and made plenty of great art with one) so ignore the whiny nodraw faggots, anon.But if you are getting a screenless tablet, get a decently sized one. My current one is fucking tiny, and it can be hassle at times as a single twitch of the wrist causes you to make a huge streak across the art, or more likely, consistently ruins that one line you're trying to get juuuust right.The only benefit to getting a very small tablet is that they're also very cheap.I'd replace mine, but I'm a stubborn bastard who hates replacing things that still work.As for software, I can't say much of anything about krita, but Drawpile is a fun program to draw in - though I'd hardly call it professional, since you can't do simple things like set the dpi/ppi or colour-mode, but it's more than good enough for a hobbyist.
>>7874697The best choice I've made as an artist was replacing my baby sized Intuous S with Deco Pro XLW. It's actual torture to draw on small tablets due to the reasons you outlined
>shita fitting
>>7874676With ipad or samsung tab you can get procreate or csp without pc whatsoeverthough
>>7874676Krita's free and it works but it feels so shit to use
>>7874676>Blocked your path What you need more?
Krita is like gimp in the sense that yes, its free and it 'works'..But it just feels so, so fucking awful to use. I legitimately cannot come up with good things to say about my experience with krita other than "it's free".It gets mogged by just about every app out there outside of the freemium phone apps.
>>7874754>But it just feels so, so fucking awful to use.That seems to be a consistent problem with free and fos software. The people behind it are obviously cool and passionate, but they lack direction when it comes to user experience. Even blender has been notoriously shit at this, and has only recently gotten updates to make it more user friendly - I'd say since it's such a bloated piece of software (in terms of uses) that it's still quite inaccessible.But if we're not paying, we shouldn't be complaining I guess.
>>7874754whats bad about krita, it has all basic tools, and isnt art about just drawing lines and coloring based on observation or imagination? you absolutely dont need anything else than basic tools to draw, so where are all the hate for krita coming from
>>7874676>and pcok mr moneybanks
>>7874725Literally the same price.
>>7874754>Krita is like gimpNigger have you used either? Literally different classes of software. I’ve used both for hundreds of drawings, you’re full of shit. There’s nothing fundamentally wrong with them, you’re just mad that they aren’t carbon copies of PS.
>>7874676all you need is pen paper also fuck off to /g/>>7874766theres nothing bad about krita it mogs and btfos all for-profit softwarethats why people people say shit like "it FEELS bad dude", "its vibes are off dude" etc coz they know they have no proof and are just being shills
I really wish Krita didn't run like a slog on Windows.I tried dual booting at some point and tested out Krita while on it, and the difference is completely night and day.A shame too considering I like it a decent amount, but I'm not going to boot hop 500 times to draw and I'm staving off from switching to LOONIX until I upgrade my computer again.
>>7874790Actually, I believe you can use many tablets with your phone. It'd hardly be the best drawing experience, given the tiny screen and drawing area, but it'd be better than drawing with your finger.
>>7874676pencil and paper??
>>7874828>in you’re pathYou have a TV, right?
*filters you*I really do love that this is a poorfag hobby, though. To this day it's fucking mindblowing to me that I can make amazing shit that people love on $5 of supplies.
>>7874676i heard that krita has bad gradients
>>7874676I need less
>>7874887How's SAI compared to CSP or Krita?
and the PC can be a recycled office machine from 2009 as long as it has 8GB of DDR3
>>7874890Pretty bare in comparison to be honest, its not nearly as feature rich and all its really got going is being incredibly light weight and boots in a second. I use CSP EX for animating because it has those tools, but I draw in SAI because I just despise CSP having a launcher and currency and needing an account to login with
>>7874893honestly true i use my school laptop that has like 4 gb of ram, and Krita works fine
>>7874890it has like 10% of CSP's features but that's a good thing
>>7874676yep this is what i have but my screenless tablet is wiredkrita is great, i dont see the need for purchasing/subbing to a different softwarepeople always say its bad but never have explained why so i don't get the hate>>7874848and i use my dollar store ballpoint pens, pencils and sketchbook for when im not at my PCart/drawing is a really nice hobby since its generally so cheap and very accessibleim glad to have this board to discuss and read posts on artits my hobby of choice now alongside reading since the video game world is charging high prices for subpar games and hardware
>>7874903>people always say its bad but never have explained why so i don't get the hateI've mostly heard that it's slow and unstable (>>7874819), and that the UI is bad (>>7874754).But it's free, and if it can produce work equal to professional paid programs, there's not too much to complain about, now is there?
>>7874678>screenFound the nodraw
>>7874697>recommending drawpileFound the permabeg.
>>7874697NTA, but I learned trad and I convinced myself that screen was the way to go. I only use it for ink and color though. Personally, I have no issue with it- except for the back pain, which I've finally found a way to get around. However, I definitely envy you guys who learned screenless.
>>7874937>can't make good art in drawpileSucks to suck I guess.
>>7874937drawpile brushes are incredible. Photoshop>DrawPile>>>>Krita=CSP>>Magma
>>7874926>slow and unstableretards in general use way to high resolution when drawing. even in CSP where it doesnt even have GPU acceleration and uses ONE fucking core most of the time. You will get better performance in general by using a smaller resolution, but I find it funny krita gets shit about it despite being the few drawing programs with actual GPU implementation>UI is badAnother strange zombie meme thats overused. the UI is highly customizable internally and with plugins.I dont ever want to sound like im sucking krita off, some of the dev decisions have been baffling. they are missing core features, adding basic tools at a snails pace. they dont even have a fucking X Y coordinate display for the cursor. krita falls prey to every open source software pitfalls, laziness, apathy and pettiness of a 8 year old
>>7875085also is it me or are the built-in cursors barely visible when using a brush tool? it's like i don't see where the fuck i'm drawing athowever recently i found a great plugin on the forums that solves the issue for me at least,perhaps it's a me problem but with the plugin i actually see where the fuck do i drawthe name is custom brush cursor icon or something like that if anyone struggles similar to me
>>7875085>X Y coordinate display for the cursorwhy would you want this in any program?
>>7875091............................... so I can see where my fucking cursor is?MS paint had this feature in 1997
>>7875139But... it's where the cursor is, is it not? Like what are you doing that has any use of the actual coordinates? Somewhere in the corner of the screen too. Describe what you're up to, I just can't fathom what benefit there could be.
wow, so many bad responses here.>>7874885is not bad, but it is true that the dithering algorithm they use is not the best. paid apps use proprietary dithering algorithms which are use case specific, so they are better. this is noticeable in the airbrush tool, but not a total deal breaker.>>7875154this is useful when creating interactive media because you need pixel perfect positioning.>>7875085the problem is leadership and clarity. for example, it is frustrating not having a clear and simple roadmap for next updates. you never know where efforts are allocated. if they had a clear roadmap and some idea of required effort, I am sure they could make fundraisers even more successful. basically they need a good PM, not a mess.I like Krita, I recommend it.
>>7875154I'm guessing you've never made panels before. or if you do you haphazardly place them anywhere with no regard to symmetry or the need to avoid clipping into the margins. with krita I am forced to use the rulers which is not helpful until I zoom in as far as possible to see the exact pixel I need
>>7874754I tried Krita but it just looks like mess to learn to use and it sucks to mouse usersWhat free drawing programs would you recommend?Personally I think Firealpaca is decent for beginner artists
>>7875167>useful when creating interactive mediaExplain. Just how much of a messed up process do you have on your hands?
>>7875174No, I have not made panels. But I do use CAD, so if I was this autistic about it I'd probably use that. Or at least Inkscape with its snapping.Do you actually calculate coords manually and shit?
>>7875177you have a background and you need to create displayables at certain positions, or you need a hot pixel to use as an anchor for displayable animations. it is much easier to have the coordinates while you are drawing the background than to fiddle around with the game engine tools to do this. I ended up creating a script for this, but I can understand this very specific use case being needed for other jobs too.
>>7874676but the skills and enchantments need to be unlocked after you acquire the weapon, because how do you look at this and immediately recognize it as fire emblem.
>>7875187I might be misunderstanding the task. Tested something, and you can use a vector layer, turn on pixel snapping, draw points you need, and export to SVG. Granted, you'll need some brain power to import said SVG into your game, but seems doable.
>>7875181yes. its not fun. maybe I should just make my panels vectors instead.
>>7875199>not even a vector layerAnon, stop hurting yourself, this is concerning.
>>7875198Yeah you are misunderstanding the task, and also I'm not doing a great job explaining it. But thats a for another time. cheers.
>>7874678>no relevant artist using ityou just made an opportunity for someone take that place. If you don't do it someone else will
I switch to Krita after upgrading my hardware and finding an endless amount of new issues with CSP, such as this dreaded cursor lag (this is me doing a circle with my mouse)Never really did use any of the advanced tools that much, so not much of a loss?>>7875085Admittedly I staved away from Krita initially because I had very wonky results, although I asked a friend using an AMD card who uses Krita and they told me that ANGLE+DX11 runs horrible for them and that OpenGL works a lot better, which might have been my problem as well.Also krita finally fixed their text tool on 6.0 to not be batshit insane, yippee.
>>7875497that CSP lag is fairly typical (that doesnt make it acceptable). using openGL for krita is always the best option. but hilariously krita's GPU acceleration is optimized for nvidea not AMD......I always hated nvidea, even before their AI/military contract horseshit. I tried to tell them to pivot to AMD but everyone was on the nvidea train
>>7874676seems about right, also linux for instant reaction
>>7874754>actually comparing Krita to GIMPIf you think the two are in any way comparable then you're either completely ignorant, dishonest, or retarded. Krita is fairly polished, very easy to use, and has an excellent and powerful brush engine. I used Medibang before switching to Krita and Krita absolutely blows MB out of the water, no contest. I set up a workspace with the animation timeline and it's the best digital sketchbook ever made. I can have a sketchbook with multiple layers that's easy to navigate through (unlike the horrible system of making a new layer per sketchbook page that you have to hide and unhide) plus you can export all the pages, TITLED, NUMBERED, AND IN ORDER to a dedicated folder, with the click of a button. I have something like fifteen-twenty sketchbooks stuck in proprietary document format files from before I switched to Krita and it would take AGES to export them all into readable images. Not to mention that I'm running this FULLY FEATURED DESKTOP SOFTWARE stably and smoothly on a 10 year old mid-grade Android tablet with THREE gigabytes of RAM, running a newer version of Android than it probably should be, since after installing the newer OS Medibang became completely unusable without downscaling it into a blurry artifacted mess. Krita is my ride or die now. The only real thing wrong with it is the dogshit text editor, otherwise it has everything you need and then some.
>>7874848Imagine needing to splurge on 'supplies' when you literally don't need more than a stick and the ground.
>>7874676Yep, that's all you need actually. Perfect combo for an ultra chad drawfag.
>>7875640Others think they need animal blood and cave wall for art, we only need stick and dirt. Much smarter.
>>7875657Dirt everywhere, can be use many time. Paint take time to make, only can use once, and run out of space on cave wall if paint too much. Dirt good for practice picture making, so don't waste paint or cave wall on bad pictures.
Retards who say Krita is a mess or hard to learn are utterly incapable of distinguishing between an actual mess and "not what I'm used to".So they return to their CSP/PS install (that may never have been closed in the first place due to background service bloatware) and proceed to maneuver around the 90% of features they're not using. But at least they already know how to do it.
thanks, but I'll stick to my ipad + procreate
>>7875923No thanks. The time taken to relearn Krita is better spent on <just draw>
why not just pirate PS
>>7876943Risk of getting virusAlso photoshop is more focused on editing images rather than creating them
>>7876943cant make my own plugins without adobe stealing and reselling them
>>7874676All I need is my tablet and Sketchbook.
>>7875154>He doesn't draw by just looking at cordinates of brush ngmi
>>7874676A pack of pencils and printer
>>7875923People either don't know or forget that it is customizable (Both shortcuts and the panels). Stuff like "Inherit Alpha" can be offputting at first but it certaintly isn't rocket science
>>7875154I assume it's just Krita's way of letting the user know the exact coordinates of elements that you may want to separate and rebuild in a different format.Like a Vtuber model, for example, needs to have all the different limbs exported separately, but then you need to rebuilt it, and you'd likely want to do so in a pixel perfect way.Or a interactive menu (for a videogame, for example), you'd likely want the buttons and different visual elements to be exactly where you placed them.Granted, this isn't the optimal method for it... simply knowing the pixel position of where the cursor is, and using that to get the positions of the differing elements... it'd be better to get the coordinates of the elements on the layer, or the element selected, etc.But, better than nothing (and maybe Krita does that, I don't know, since I don't use Krita).
>>7874754go download the latest beta. its getting better.
Krita and a screenless Wacom is all I'm using for digital and I feel my drawing ability is at 85% of what I can do on paper, just the ability to ctrl + z makes up for it somewhat. It's just so easy to not mix actual paints and still get "real" "illustrations" with colour and airbrush and stuff
>>7877753>He doesn't draw by plotting algebra on a graphngmi
>>7874676>tfw started my art journey on krita because linux desktop>mfw not babyducked into some abusive subscription plan proprietary software ecosystemlol just lol I won in life
>>7877957FOSS chads can't stop winning huh? Imagine being psyopsed by big-tech cucks into learning proprietary shitware, and then be too lazy to adjust.
>>7877958If it weren't for the propriety software setting the example and standards, and the people funding the development of said software, there wouldn't be anything for the FOS programs to steal all the ideas from.
>>7877957I've only ever used GIMP and then Krita (if not for MSPaint in the windows XP days) I like they have furry logos to ward off normies heh
>>7877967That's cope. FOSS/Open Source leads the way in many areas. The biggest issues with open source programs is UX, because it's usually made by power users who don't care that much. Even then, in many many cases the only reason why proprietary outpaces OSS is because of marketing. Why Windows/Apple dominated PC market? Because they funded schools/universities. A lot of "industry standards" are made free for students for that reason also, to keep them used to programs. As habits die hard, and learning new software might look like bad investment.And there were always the case of OSS programs that weren't FOSS, and proprietary just build better UX atop of them. If OSS had 1/10 of funding that proprietary have, it would be much much better.
>>7877967Thank you for your service I guess?
>>7877967great. now convince your amazing industry to stop fucking its user base and I'll give 2 shits about anything you just said
>>7877974PERKELE>>7877967lol alright, show me a paid program that's leading the way by providing a perceptually consistent color picker, you cumgobler
>>7878116photoslop doesnt have a hex code input?
>>7878177do you know what a perceptually consistent color model is?
it really feels like we have a lot of krita shills that don't even use the software. meanwhile i do but i still have my gripes cause its my firstlike words and letters are still shit and i have to use gimp as a crutch>>7874981holy shit in drawpile? how?
>>7878211no. but I know what a consitent color model is
>>7878336krita is shita. compared to the long established programs, krita has a long way to go. as previously stated, if krita had the same budget as microslop and adobe, we would have results. But the krita team is a hodgepodge diaspora thats paid in peanuts and have part time jobs at amazon
>>7878570(that being said its still impressive for being opensource freeeware. but the industry knows people cant survive on goodwill alone so they fuck us)
>>7878570What's so bad about krita?
>>7878726nothign
tried a screenless, couldn't get over the disconnect between my hand and the screen after years of drawing on a screen tablet
>>7878726its bad to compare krita against clip studio paint but it makes more sense to compare it to paint tool sai
paint.net mogs all of them honestly
>>7874754>>7874676I can't draw so it doesn't matter what software I use with my tablet. When I need more than a soft black pencil and more than one layer then I'll look into the other shit, otherwise this is a waste of time.
>>7877967thx for the beta testing i guess lol.>>7877976>The biggest issues with open source programs is UXproof pls.
thoughts?https://imgur.com/a/y0E4ooj
>>7875621>I used Medibang before switching to Krita and Krita absolutely blows MB out of the water, no contest.WTF are you me
>>7875664>he need practice in dirtlaughing at paintletGrug study old caves, master fundies, can make many animals, not need dirt
>kritashills getting uppity again
>>7876924No thanks what? No one's telling you to switch, just don't talk shit about something you're wholly unfamiliar with.
>>7874676All you need is some feces and a rock to outdo digifags
>>7874966>except for the back pain, which I've finally found a way to get aroundhow? Using my screen tablet I am forced to either use a stand and ruin my arm, put it flat on my desk and ruin my upper back or angle it on my lap and desk and ruin my lower back (slowly). I've chosen the last option since it also allows me to hold the tablet vertically, rather than in landscape
>>7874765I'm not paying for CSP either but that's because I took two minutes to crack it. Have zoomers figured out how to torrent yet or are they still waiting for some YouTuber to tell them it's cool?
>>7880335torrenting might seem common, but you'd be amazed how huge the normiesphere is. It eclipses p2p users by fucking miles. Its the same with shit like emulation. Its huger than it ever was, but compared to the rest of population its virtually nothing.I know people my age who dont even know what Steam is, despite being foul consoomers. media is still extremely centralized
>>7880357torrenting isn't p2p dude. Also your image is gay and lame; you aren't special
>>7880358ok. and you eat dicks at gas station bathrooms. for meth
>>7879387>proof pls.GimpOld Blender UIDarktable
>>7875621>>7879613>medibang or any other commercial software: install and just draw, maybe change some shortcuts or settings or download some new brushes>krita: install then spend hours trying to get used to its weird ui, tons of confusing settings, weird brushesmaybe if you like tinkering just as much as drawing then krita and everything linux is ok
>>7877957me but my drawings still look like shit so it doesn't matter in the endi use linux where majority of my desktop links stop working after a restart
Help me kritabrosI recently migrated to linux, and krita seems comfy enough. my wacom tablet works just finebut i want to get one of those tourbox style shortcut tools. do those work with linux+krita, or do i have to look for something else?
>>7881345why are u using linux at first place, are you working in IT field or something
>>7881345Just check to see if there's official or unofficial driver support for whatever item you're looking to buy. XP Pen usually has official drivers and software for Linux. The Tourbox itself has unofficial ones. You'll probably be fine so long as you don't get some obscure chinkware with a gobbledygook brand name.
>>7881409Yeah, I work in IT but its not the main reason I use troonix. I just really hate the way windows has been going as of late, and I especially hate the management full of vibecoding indians.
>>7881409NTA but I switched after seeing how fucking retarded Win8 was forcing that stupid ass Start screen on all their users. Then there were the Microsoft accounts. I realized that ultimately if I stayed I would be at the mercy of Microsoft's whims, no matter how retarded, and figured things would only get worse from there, so I said fuck that and bailed. And what do you know, I was right.
>>7881409imagine using windows
>>7880393>install then spend hours trying to get used to its weird ui, tons of confusing settings, weird brushesThat happens to me with CSP desu
>>7881409not him, i switched at the end of last year as well. i was sick of microsofts bullshit.
>>7874937This has to be a shartynigger, drawing software does not matter. Pick whichever, you can always change any time anyway
>>7875502>opengl>krita is optimized for nvidia>not amdironic
>>7878726in terms of non csp we have: krita > paint tool sai > drapile windows paint
