How come most people immediately tell beginners not to make scratchy or hairy lines or pat the lines but do them in one swoop.But when I look at most professional art (okay of the people I like who draw animu so take it with a grain of salt, but they still do it in a professional environment) a lot of them scratch in their final lines instead of nailing them in one.For example one of my favorite guys, Tetsuya Nishio who worked on stuff like Ghost in the Shell, Jin-Roh, Patlabor, Naruto, Yu Yu Hakusho, Kaiju no. 8 etc. at first glance if you look at his art it looks very smooth and precise.But if you zoom in you can see that each line was scratched in with like at least a dozen smaller strokes, and he did that shit in photoshop.It has the illusion of being smooth but is for sure not done in one go, I think at least.Or it was just drawn very slowly with a shaky hand with a pencil and then scanned in and he only did the coloring in photoshop... I guess that's possible and if so then disregard this.https://e-hentai.org/g/1183142/2ee6e71bd8/The artbook it's from if you wanna see other stuff.
You call that scratchy?
>>7878656You're probably on a phone.You need to zoom in to see them closer.
>>7878645it's fine when pros do it if that's the result they wantwhen they want a super clean line they will clean it up or use stabilization, vector line tools etc. it's a balance of effort vs the result.some don't like putting in all the effort to get super clean lines so they just feather them in. just because good artists can get away with it, doesn't mean that begs shouldn't be told not to do it.begs will just make a mess like in this pic
>>7878645Imagine being so stupid you don't even understand what chicken scratching is
>>7878670but what makes it different exactlyyou say just because they're pro they can get away with it but what is it about them being pro?
>>7878675my brother in christ look at bottom of those glasses frames here >>7878658
>>7878645Those aren't scratchy or hairy lines. So there are minor imperfections when you zoom in? That gives the work character (aka s0vl). I do believe those lines were drawn with pencil and colored in PS.You don't have to draw all your lines in one swoop. Some artists do, some don't. When inking with a brush or flexible nib, it can make a big difference. Line like in your example, not so much.Some artists just fake it. I once saw a video of Al Hirschfeld (caricaturist famous for his inked lines, picrel) scratching away with his pen to give the impression of a curve that was made in one swoop.
Look at this incredibly, clean probably lightboxed animation art, when I zoom in 99x there's some slight wobble. But /ic/ told me chicken scratching is supposed to be bad? AM I SUPPOSED TO SCRATCH OR NOT TO BECOME A PRO I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO BELIEVE
>>7878683That's your brain on digital "inking" with vectors or line stabilization.
>>7878683>>7878686I mean yeah but like come on, those glasses are made of like 5 straight lines barely holding together not to form a literal zigzag
>>7878698Anon, if you draw with a pencil on paper, at the standard size for animation drawings, you're depositing graphite onto a textured surface. You will see mountains and craters when you put the drawing under a microscope. It looks fine as it's meant to be seen. Digital artists are accustomed to working at 6000px^2 and zooming in on every detail.
Glasses are fucking hard to draw
A sketch should be as polished as a finished work from the beginning. Clean, clear lines throughout. Anything else is amateurish slop.
>>7878677notice how the pro's sketches seems to go with the flow of the strokes while the true chicken sketch is just randomly made
>>7878715Not true, plenty of pros just ham in some random gobbledygook sketch that looks like a lumpy potato and then draw the finished stuff on top.
>>7878724Then they’re not pros. /ic/ has a better idea of what makes for a good artist. If it’s not perfect from the start then it’s shit.
>>7878732yeah those people who work professionally are definitely not pros, right
>>7878658If you need to zoom for them to show then they are not scratchy.
>>7878670They are both chicken scratch. The only difference is the artist on the left doesn't have aphantasia so he actually knows where he is trying to place his scratch lines, whereas artist on the right is just guessing.
The secret is you can use as many ugly lines as you want as long as you know how to draw. Beginners get obsessed with a perfected, polished look but it's never been essential and possibly not desirable. Stuff like this >>7878670 looks bad not because it's "chicken scratched," but because the shapes are indecisive and shitty - the guy doesn't know how to draw. It wouldn't look better if he drew the same forms with perfectly clean, digitally stabilized lines, it'd probably look worse in fact.
Brother there's a difference between chicken scratch and intentional line texture
>>7878867lol STFU begtard
>>7878645Chicken scratch is indecisiveness.When you chicken scratch, you are reinforcing that the only good lines you make are by accident. You've buried that one good line under 10-15 others.There's also "restating" which to a beginner may look like chicken scratch but is just a correction to another line without erasing. This will also look intentional and clearly indicate a line.>>7878670That's an edited image. The left is "what /beg/s think their chicken scratch looks like" and the right is "what it actually looks like"Left isn't chicken scratch. it's a mix of gesture and exploring shapes/form then, making solid decisions. Ironically, the harder parts like hands and some of the face on the right isn't chicken scratch.
>>7878658If you need to pixel hunt for scratches then it's not scratchy
>>7878677If you still have to ask then you have long ways to go
>>7879060Okay cool you don’t know, either.
>>7878645>How come most people immediately tell beginners not to make scratchy or hairy lines or pat the lines but do them in one swoop. The things you posted are not scratchy lines you fucking retard.No one says "chicken scratching" except for high-/begs/, GARBAGE PEOPLE that should be immediately bullied out of the fucking hobby for saying retarded shit.I think it comes from the idea that it's easier to use CAVEMAN DOGSHIT instruments like NIBS and chinese ink , with big movements over more methodical lines. Kick a tranny and a woman in the face. Rape them out of the hobby.
>>7878677Beg scratching is when you make tiny indecisive marks and break a fluid line down into individual segments. Its fine if you can use multiple scratchy lines more sparingly to dial in a fluid lineOne is drawn with the wrist the other is drawn with the forearm
I haven't really looked into Boruto over the years, but it seems like a failure if they're trying to reboot the OG Naruto.
>>7879562Who's the artist here?
>>7878658>>7878645what you think people mean by scratchy vs what people mean by scratchy
>>7879562>Kick a tranny and a woman in the face. Rape them out of the hobbyHe mad because they draw better than him kek
>>7879562Those chicken scratches disgust me
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>>7879562Pyw !!
>>7878645>thread where OP intentionally misunderstands what chicken scratching is and uses a /pro/ example that very clearly isn't chicken scratch to argue that if /pro/s do it then why can't I do itWow, we haven't had this bait thread in foreeeeever. It's a certified /ic/ classic.>>7878837That's not chicken scratch either. You can see in the example you posted that the lines are not micro-scratches but longer flowing ones repeatedly drawn over to create line weight and sculpt the form. You can actually see in many places where the artist didn't go over the lines repeatedly that the initial shape was encapsulated with a singular flowing line. I used to do chicken scratching so I very clearly remember what it was like, and it was nothing like this. My doodles today are messy, but what they aren't are chicken scratches. It has nothing to do with messiness or perfection, and everything to do with quality of expression and efficiency, the both of which chicken scratching is antithetical to. I actually just tried simulating how I used to draw and it was sheer torture. Slow, agonizing, stilted. Stilted lines make stilted shapes make stilted forms, and additionally takes way longer too.
>>7879562That's still not chicken scratching.
>>7878658Holy pre-beg. I'll refrain for shitting all over you and your family because you seem genuinely new. Those aren't scratchy lines, that's a pencil brush, pencil brushes (which are often used for layouts and sketches) behave like that.There's already a thread for retarded questions, you know...
>>7879743Again, you can draw with literally any form, line style, or shape and it will look good if you know how to draw (know how to describe shape and form). "Chicken scratching" is not real, at least insofar that messy chopped, lines are not inherently "wrong." It looks bad and confused in the hands of beginners who are indecisively pecking lines onto the page to describe form, but it can also be used by skilled artists for effect. Of course no one calls it "chicken scratch" at that point but there is effectively little difference, except that the skilled artist is using it intentfully.
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>>7879766maybe even a little McKean
>>7878645the difference between a beginner's scratchy line and a pro's "searching lines" is that the pro uses the scratchy lines for convenience of sketching and knows how to use contrast to pull a line up from the other lines to make it look both confident and decisiveanyone telling you to "always" or "never" do something should be heavily scrutinized. most pros can not only admit that "yeah, i still do this thing" but explain why they do ithampton has a video floating around where he mentions that he tends to use multiple lines when searching for gestures that run through volumes, and he specifically says that he does it because it makes it easier to quickly envision the "structure" (eg bone) running through the volume without necessarily commiting immediately to the surrounding volume itself, plus it's just easier for him.you should learn how to wield a pen and make long, confident strokes regardless of how you sketch because it's a foundational skill, especially for inking and rendering which requires a lot of meticulous, unbroken attention to details and exstensive periods of sketch refinement and cleanup
>>7879763Not a single instance of /pro/ examples of "chicken scratching" that you have posted is chicken scratch. Not a single solitary one of them. You're either not getting it because you're obtuse, ignorant, or full of yourself, or you're only pretending to be those things for the purpose of trolling.
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the real answer since this board is so useless, is that people draw larger than the finished drawing is posted at. The lines were indeed a little shakey but they were ACCURATE. That's what matters the most. When you shrink the drawing down 60% or so, the lines automatically become sharper and smoother.
>>7879777They are called energy lines according to the AI.
Chicken scratch is when the messy lines dont create a form. If the messy lines do create a form, people don't call it chicken scratch.How do you know if it creates form? Vibes, that's all. Humans can see shapes in things and drawing with lines is all about making people hallucinate shapes in those lines. If you can't do that, the drawing is bad, end of story. And then people say the lines are chicken scratch. You can have smooth lines that have no form either, thats a different problem.In the end it all comes down to FORM, which is the single most important and ONLY fundamental. Everything else is just a theory on how to achieve form.Anatomy? Form based on god's imagePerspective? Form based on our eyesight and different fields of view.Lineweight? Form by turning lines into shadows.Its all Form.FORMFORMFORM
ITT: it's not chicken scratching when it looks good
>>7878645Man FORGET THE LINES, how the hell do I color something so smoothly in photoshop?This almost looks like it was painted with an actual airbrush on like some glossy copic paper.How?I'm not experienced with digital but every time I try it ends up looking very streaky/smeary and muddy.How do I make it look so smooth and matte and harmonious?I watched a few online videos on digital painting before but they didn't look anything like this, I watched sinix which was very muddy and blobby painting, and I watched ahmed aldoori and his looked very streaky and digital art feeling.How do I make it like THAT instead?
>>7880002I mean someone can correct me if I'm wrong but it's just cel shading, isn't it?You just need to create very clear and clean masks with something like the pen tool and then fill in the shapes with solid colors.There isn't any actual painting except for the little bit on the glasses to show the shine on the plastic, and even then it's just a few lightly brushed streaks.Any kind of color variation in the tones and the haziness is just front the page being scanned I think, there probably aren't any in the raw image itself.The bottom right one looks like it has some blending on the face shadow and the cape that was probably done again with the pen/curve tool and a gradient tool, since it really just looks like a solid gradient, so it probably wasn't painted in with a brush or blended with any smudge tool since it wouldn't look like that.But that's just my 2 cents.
>>7878645ITT we learn what separates a pro from a beg.
>>7878658Holy shit you're an actual autistic retard ROFL hahaha enjoy never getting gud ever
>>7880051i... i don't think that's how this was done...but i don't know enough about digital art to say otherwise
>>7884337How else would it be done?There are not many other ways to do basic cel shading.
>>7879605This is the correct answer
