Why didn't anyone achieve a similar level of fame post Francis bacon? Is the art world now even less relevant than in the 60s and 70s? Plus Francis's work isn't even that technically impressive. Neither is his subject matter, he was literally a masochist gay midget who enjoyed being beaten up by his boyfriend
Subconscious positive association between his name and a dependable comfort food. That's why I'm changing my name to Reginald Grilled Cheese and Tomato Soup
>>7886765That can't be the reason he was more celebrated than Freud?
>>7886806>sir, do you like bacon or fraud more?oh gee, what do I answer
>>7886649I'd say Damian Hurst and Koon's are famous as well - though both are absolute hacks whose best work was made by others' expertise, rather than themselves.>Oh, but they oversaw the making of the -Then I should be called the artist, because I judge the final product, though I'd never put it in a gallery because none of it was all that impressive anyway.Also, a lot of Koon's work comes across as bullshit AI users would think is art; "What if micky mouse, but bad"? Yeah, real inspired shit there, Mr.Koon... what were we talking about again?Ah right, Bacon! Anyway, compared to those hacks, Bacon's work at least showed some effort and ability, and I admit his stuff is more provocative than Koon's 'big balloon animal', or Hurst's piece that belong in a sea life exhibit, rather than a art exhibition.
>>7886649Art is shit for the same reason, as everything is shit rn. Its Americas and Capitalisms fault. There is only one solution for this problem.
I mean, Banksy is pretty famous.
>>7887048>banksyHe probably is the most famous currently working artist... probably somehow also the most pretentious as well, but your point stands.
>>7886649I thought the last great artist was Dali?who is this guy?
>>7886649even Picasso was propped up the american feds in some convoluted psy-op to demoralize the reds
>>7886649its a similar reason why Movie stars aren't such a thing anymore
>>7886765This explains why salami chan got so famous
>>7887048Banksy just uses stencils lmao
>>7887180Nah, I'd say there are two very different causes for two similar situations.Artists are losing their fame and prestige because the arts have sort of lost their place in society, with most people probably not even visiting an art gallery or art show even yearly. I doubt the average person can even think of a living artist they like, much less favor to the point of following their career. They likely only really know of older art moreso because of school teaching it, rather than any particular amount of appreciation. For movie stars, that's entirely the film studios fault, and I think to their detriment. So film stars gained their fame not just because of their films, but because studios would purposely try to prop up the actors so that they may be used for advertising and bring in certain guaranteed audiences.However with the super hero film boom, the studios wanted to have the character themselves become the star, rather than the actor playing them, likely so the character could be continuously used regardless of the actor... this would be a smart move if marvel then didn't proceed to kill all their most popular characters for some baffling reason, and then bring back RDJ? So what was the fucking point then?I suspect it was also a money thing, as an actor becomes bigger, they demand far more money.It seems to have been a terrible idea in the end, as I suspect characters just don't get the diehard fans that actors do, and obviously a character can't bring audiences from other franchises like an actor can. I can't even name actors in most movies like I used to be able to at one point - the only recently famous actor I know of is pascal, and that's only because people complained about how he was in everything.You'd think that streaming would be good for actors careers, but evidently they're not really publicising the actors there, either.
>>7886649More people know DBZ drawings that whoever the fuck this is. Plenty of Japanese manga artists are quite popular.
>>7886649youre overestimating his fame, bacon wasnt even the most famous artist of his generation>Is the art world now even less relevant than in the 60s and 70s?yes, but its also easy to imagine the artworld of the past being bigger than it actually was. normies have been disinterested in modern art since its inception 100 years ago.>>7887747sure, and more people know walt disneys drawings than michaelangelo's. its kind of beside the point.
>>7887787True, but art has always been elitist. I'm sure very few normies knew of bacon back then, but every one in the art circle heard his name. Today even in these fart sniffing art scenes there's not a single one that can be considered a household name
>>7886649The internet has made music and art into $1 candybar and bubble gum.
>>7887324>arts have sort of lost their place in society, with most people probably not even visiting an art gallery or art show even yearlythat was never the norm at any point in historythe actual reason is that plebs control the economy now
>>7888004>not a single one that can be considered a household namedepends what you count as a household name. if youre talking about households of people who arent actively interested in contemporary art to begin with, then as always, theres hardly any. most artists whove achieved household name status like that havent done so during their lifetime. its not until they make the history books that normies learn about them. by that point their less contemporary examples.but if youre talking about households of people who engage in the scene then theres a fair few names that are common knowledge internationally. someone like basquiat is a household name now, during his lifetime he would have been a household name within the artscene but not beyond it.
>>7888091Basquiat is a massive hack lolI genuinely don't understand how this talentless faggot got to that level of fame
>>7888097he's black
>>7888103Lots of talented black artists, they could at least promote one who knew how to draw
>>7888108name 3no, alphonso is not one
>>7888115Shit you got me hahahThe dude that painted Obama was pretty good desu
>>7888115Henry Ossawa Tanner
>>7888405Robert Colescott
>>7888409Camille Billups
>>7888413This one just made me laugh because it looks like that Squidward self-portrait
>>7888409ok, now this is based
>>7888064>plebs control the economy nowIf by plebs you mean those richfag nepobabies that have not a shred of taste, then yeah.
>>7889087no, I mean the poorfags without a shred of tasteyou'll note art moved from commissions by individuals to the commercial marketvirtually all art produced today must have broad appeal to the masses to generate moneyIDK what fantasy land you live that makes you believe le rich nepobabies decide what styles are popular
>>7889272>virtually all art produced today must have broad appeal to the masses to generate moneyNTA, but do you mean art like the banana the wall? The Dirty Bed? A can of Artist's shit? A lot of the modern art movements have been unappealing to the so called tasteless plebs, and have been more geared towards an in-crowd of art appreciators, who are more often wealthy than not. So I'll totally disagree with you here.
>>7889332nobody gives a shit about art trade, you dumb cuck, it's literally just IOUs with tax breaks, are you fucking retarded?I literally said art has moved away from that into commercial art99% of artists are commercial artists99.9% of money is in commercial artfine artists all have to grift /beg/s to make a buck because nobody fucking buys paintings except idle boomers, and then they do everything they can do gyp youartists don't get famous with fine art because anyone with skill can make more money doing commercial art because again, nobody gives a shit about paintings>le artist's shitliteral nft tier meme, he sold a couple to retards who thought they'd appreciate in value and like 80 just stayed in some basement until they exploded from pressureeven I never heard of the bed, and we both know literally nobody on the planet not in art trade knows the name of a single "artist" that made any of them, so not sure why you're even bringing them up in the context of famous artistshell, I doubt you actually know their names
>>7887241Presumably he makes the stencils
>>7891416>hebanksy's a group with a penchant for small hats
>>7886649>art was once the only way to capture and embellish historical/biblical events in a way anyone from the highly educated to the illiterates could appreciate>demand is high because it inspired awe in a way no other medium could>photography gets invented>suddenly we have a new medium that can capture historical events in a seemingly more "objective" way>artists turn to impressionism to exaggerate the feeling of a scene rather than accurate and believable rendering>skilled artists get sidelined from recorders of history to novelty makers, they still exist but now they're making comic books and newspaper ads, suddenly quantity is more important than quality>likewise, quantity over quality in the art world means it's easier to make money cranking out bauhaus, post-modern, or contemporary and writing out a pretentious explanation, because playing a Rorschach test riddle with a fancy answer feels mentally stimulating and classy to the average audience>disposable nature of new art means the "art world" gets turned into a money laundering scheme for gorillionaire cannibalistic paedophilesIt's not all doom and gloom, there's still good artists out there but they're not household names and they're not getting recognition unless they make something people can really engage with like a comic series, video game, or pornography, they're just not getting commissioned by kings or aristocrats who provide food and board any more which means most can't (or aren't being forced to) spend their entire life training.
>>7886649>Why didn't anyone achieve a similar level of fame post Francis bacon?what? talent notwithstanding, plenty of artists since then were way more “famous” than Bacon >Andy Warhol >David Hockney >Rob Rauschenberg >Damien Hirst >Chuck Close >that dork Jeff Koons “fame”… you paint the pope screaming one time, i swear.anyway. the reason you feel like that is because the CIA was heavily involved with the art scene around that time. they specifically encouraged the ab ex movement in tandem with serving the population hallucinogenics to create massively destabilizing political effects. this isn’t a theory btw you can look this up
it takes time to become a legend
>>7886970>There is only one solution for this problem.what did he mean by this?https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Pov0MKuyJfg
Bacon’s chief triumph was, despite being born in about 1909, in depicting the swirling mental landscape of the average 21st century city dweller. Lounging bodies in dim interiors, always in flux, always separated by planes and rigid delineations, only making contact to fuck. The viscera is psychic. People who interpret Bacon as actual gore and mutilation are too literal. He was into Jung at a surface level, so I’m sure jung’s concepts of synchronicity, as well as the predictive power of the currents of collective unconscious, influenced Bacon. Specifically, his belief in the providence of chance, which was the key source of his picture making.
some mangakas are world famous and successful. the whole world sobbed when toriyama and miura died
>>7887324with the advent of social media, a lot of actors began publicising themselves and it turns out most of them are unlikeable dicks. seems it was best to keep them distant.
