Just wanted to see if any Anons have had a similar experience. (and to whine like a babbi)I used to love drawing, the best thing I ever knew to do. But around 2018-2020 I started plateauing and hitting barriers I didn't manage to overcome. So after bashing my head against it and just feeling worse I slowly quit and now I mostly do small scribbles.But I can't even do that without looking at them and feel bitter that I couldn't reach the level I wanted. It's gotten so bad I have troubling looking at good artwork without feeling down. It's not even jealousy as much as disappointment in myself.From time to time I think "I should copy/practice something" but end up feeling like shit and quitting again. Part of me feels like I should try to just forget about it all but a small part of me knows that I still love this shit even if it hurts most of the time.Anyone in a similar position or maybe even found a way to regain the love for art after a long block/break?
>>7894513you gotta just grab yourself by the balls and keep drawing. If you feel you don't enjoy something use a different medium, draw a different thing, copy some different artists.
you just became internet brained.your brain now prefers to browse the internet over making effort to work on your hobby. your internal reward system has been destroyed.This is permanent and can never be reversed. you will never draw again at any serious capacity.
>>7894513Just worry less about getting good and just draw for the hell of it, draw what's in your head.
>>7894570okay then explain why there are thousands of artists posting daily on /x/, how are they doing it when I'm a millenial and burnt out too much to even draw for an hour?
>>7894513I quit drawing too. Fuck it. I'm going to get into gambling. And collecting cats.
>>7894513As expected the lack of motivation stems from lack of skill. In my case it's similar. I think to really enjoy drawing, you also have to be competent at it, otherwise everything you draw will leave a bitter aftertaste in your mouth. So the question is, how do you get better to reach a level you are somewhat satisfied with?In my experience, drawing has a lot to do with knowledge of fundamentals. If one of your findamentals is off, it can ruin your whole drawing. Meaning you have to make sure that you really have enough knowledge about the fundamentals.Another thing is the process. Every artist had his own process, and you have to find a process you feel comfortable with. If one of these process elements is off, it also can ruin your whole drawing. Like for example, I really need to mirror my sketches, otherwise I just don't see the mistakes well enough. As long as I don't do this, my drawings will look deformed. This tiny process step will ruin my whole work if I don't take care of it.So that's how you get better. Just aquiring the knowledge and experience of the fundamentals which can destroy your whole drawing.
>>7894513Look at what you're getting out of drawing. Spending a lot of effort for little or no reward will lead to burnout. Consider switching fandoms or studying new tricks to apply to your own art.
>>7894513I fell out of love for other people's drawings almost entirely. Looking at other people's gets me depressed, it makes me forget about the art that I crave to chase. Once I draw my own art, the process of making art and improving it makes me feel better, as if forgetting something that was just a bad dream.
>>7894828You don't need to be good to feel nice about drawing. You only need to feel like you're getting better. You don't improve drawings, you improve your process. The drawings are just the result. Sounds like semantics, but the distinction is important.
>>7894513You do it out of duty, not love. Love comes and goes. Duty is eternal.If you have to draw then you just keep doing it whether you want to or not. That’s it.
>>7895526No, it is semantics. Process isn't everything. The process of KJG was just to draw lines on paper. It's a very simple and direct process, but he still was able to create great pictures with it, because he had talent, not because he had a refined process.
idk, draw for the memes :3.>picrel
>>7894513just draw till you cry it out then you fucking faggot lmao
>>7894570I still have hope I'll be able to detox at least a little bit. I've started looking into some blocking apps.>>7894828Yeah, I think I probably fucked up somewhere in the fundamentals. For example I can't for the life of me draw a good face, even if it's some weeb shit it always turns out slightly off.But I agree with having to be competent. I used to know a guy who was really bad at drawing, like child scribble level at mid twenties, but he had a great time and drew everything he wanted all the time. Back then I almost pitied him for not trying to improve his technical skills but looking back I actually envy him.
>>7894513>>7896390you are completely wrong and have it ass backwards. if you cared enough about drawing, you would make it happen. thats how it works. Your inverse logic conveniently reveals a cop out as to why you failed and defers all responsibility from yourselves.if you truly wanted it, you would obtain it, no matter how long it takes
Have you tried watching scat porn? It helps with motivation
>>7894513I snapped a few days ago and everyday after. Drew a fuck ton even though I haven't drawn in two years. I feel like I stopped drawing cause I felt like it was unrealistic, like no matter how much I drew it wouldn't lead to anything. But after trying to pursue a meaningful career for the last 10 years, I'm slowly starting to realize that I'll likely never have a stable career that pays decent. The market is too competitive, and I'm competing against everyone else who has done everything right, and even though they've done everything right they're failures because they're in the same position I'm in. So I'm drawing again. I'm just drawing for the sake of drawing. I don't care anymore. Nothing matters anyway. I'll never have a stable job. There's nothing to look forward too tomorrow and there's nothing to look forward to the day after so I guess I'll just draw until I die.
>>7896447I try not to think about making money with drawing. I just draw to express myself and to create nice pictures. A famous photographer I really like once said he would be already satisfied by just being able to share his photos with his friends.
>>7894513Yeah, i stop, and then eventually, i start again. dunno what to tell u op. that's normal, if u love art u'll always come back to it. hope this helps.
>>7894513>>7894749I think this anon's >>7894570 first sentence is correct. I'm not judging you, the same thing happened to me.What helped me personally is this video by Marc Burnet:https://youtu.be/FTgsouqGFG8I personally do not allow myself to have "fun" (browsing 4chan, playing video games, listening to music, watching porn, etc.) until AFTER I have drawn. SO basically, no draw, no play. Your brain, in an effort to avoid boredom, will give in if you're serious enough about not allowing any form of fun or dopamine until after you've drawn. This will get you to at least sit down and actually draw.To enjoy it, I personally draw what I want to draw even if it comes out bad and limit my sessions to short 15-20 minute sessions. Once I'm done, I allow myself to "play." The point is to rewire your brain to stop looking at drawing as this thing that's supposed to give you pain. I've tried other techniques to get myself to draw more but this is what has actually worked for me.
>>7896390What you lack is access to some critical information that you lack. Just be aware that you can find it suddenly and you shouldn't give up because you are stuck at the moment. As someone who likes to think of themselves as someone who "made it", I will tell you; I used to hate the process of making art and only kinda like output, and even that was only after years of drawing. When much later on started systematically optimizing all the things that were holding me back from making the things I want to make the way I want, suddenly started to notice major shifts in quality one aspect at a time, which the act of improving my art process a total obsession for me. For over a year, I temporarily stopped caring about my almost completely; since improving my process had become my new obsession. I wrote down hypotheses in a notepad, even if I wasn't sure they were correct, but as the notes kept piling up I started noticing patterns of what affected what and by how much. The whole thing became like a massive math project to the point where I started saying "art is just very complex category of math". After keeping that up for months, I started to not only enjoy improving my process, but the process itself (which I had previously hated). And now, I thoroughly enjoy treating my art improvement like a science project, the act of drawing and painting itself since I feel like I'm in control, and even the art itself that I put out. Of course, I'm still very much learning, but I already know where I want to improve what next.I think that for art teachers like Marc Brunet, it's easy to make videos about making art enjoyment when you no longer remember what it was to truly be in that old state of yourself where you just struggled to go through it. (/watch?v=FTgsouqGFG)TL;DR there's light at the end of tunnel, but be systematic and precise about smallest things to speed up improvement. Write notes and comapre.pmw as a makeshift credential.
>>7896642Also I should add:Don't worry about learning to draw X and Y thing separately. Try to transfer things from active effort to passive effort. Like you don't learn to draw faces or hands, instead you should focus on improving your act of drawing itself so that it results in good faces or hands or something you've never even drawn before, because you can just sculpt and design it on the spot so well and at most you might only need a slight nudge from a reference. Otherwise you'll be stuck learning every little thing in encyclopedic detail like a sad AI model dependent on loras who has to be retrained every time a new detail or concept comes around.That's really the idea behind fundamentals anyway. It is to try to instil standardized qualities in your entire passive process, so that no matter what you draw, it should come without at a steady quality instead of trying to constantly unfuck some specific parts of the thing. If your hands look bad, it's not because you are "bad at drawing hands", it is because you lack something in your general ability to construct and accurately depict proportionate, well-posed, accurate, hand-like stylized/realistic objects in general.Art is not about knowing everything. It is about being able to see really, really well (both see details and keep comprehension of the overall picture in a careful, optimized balance, and keeping the field of vision at the right scale to spot errors at the ideal scale range), and being able to accurately and controllably trace what you see via that imaginative visualization.
>>7894513I've always loved drawing but felt that my level was way below my expectations.I tried to draw more and basically burning out myself. I hated it. Every time I looked at cool artwork I felt miserable. Why should I pursue draftsmanship when I'm unable to even properly copy a drawing I love ?Around 2020 I thought I should stop art because "that's pointless, I'll never be good at drawing". It lasted 3 days and it was the most miserable days of my life. I felt like shit because my everyday life was completely empty. Like you, deep down there is a part of me that just loves to draw.I've managed to understand why I've been through this "crisis". And it's just because I put so much stress on myself. My expectations are pretty high and I was always disappointed by my artwork. I was just focusing on the flaws. This state of mind was pure negativity and killed my joy of just taking a pen and putting lines on a piece of paper.I've just took a step back from art for a little time. And I no longer put so much stress on myself, even if my expectations are still pretty high. I just remember that drawing is cool and I love it. If I feel like hitting a barrier and it's driving me mad, I just stop and do something else for a while (a few days generally). Doing so helped me to get better. I'm just more relaxed and I know that working in that state of mind will get me the best results. I'm still far from my expectations, but I'm confident I'll get there.I was always thinking "I should practice", "I have to draw". As if it was a duty. Now I just think "I'd like to draw". I focus on what I love in drawing : taking a pen and tracing lines on a piece of paper. As long as I enjoy doing it, I continue. But the moment I'm overthinking it, I put the pen down. Take a deep breath to calm down. And I do something else. I know that a few days after, I'll think "I'd like to draw" and have a fresh start and enjoy it again.Sorry for the long rant, I hope it was helpful.
Being a good artist isn't something you can learn. Some people talented on a level which is unachievable for the vast majority of people. No matter how much you draw, you will never be as good as them, nor will you be as productive as them.
>>7896666You don't need to be part of the top 0.1% percentile, and given the kind of lifestyle and decisions that often entails, you probably wouldn't even want to. Many people want to draw their favorite manga artist, but not work like them.That doesn't mean they can't become highly skilled professionals or even surpass their inspirations in some cases.
>>7896669You need to be very good in order to achieve anything with art.
>>7896684My first commission was over 15 years ago, and I wasn't very good at all. You just have to figure out how to survive till you are good enough to stand up on your art alone if you want to do it full-time.Do remember you can also train and do art as a side-hobby/hustle.
>>7896686Then i must be terrible because noone gives a shit about my drawings.It was easier to get noticed on the internet 15 years ago.Doing commissions also requires a certain style. Not everyone buys commissions. It's mostly just generic anime slop which gets commissioned.
>>7896694Can we have a look at your drawings? Hard to say anything when I don't know what I'm working with.
>>7896699You want free art? Why should I give you free art? Posting your art on the internet is fucking useless.
>>7896700Yet you keep blessing us with your free wordsCurious
>>7896712Writing your opinions is not work.
>>7896715>he's never heard of consultants
>>7896700>Why should I give you free art? Posting your art on the internet is fucking useless.Trying to give you free advice is what's useless, apparently.Besides, I thought you assumed people don't value your art, but as soon as someone asks pyw, suddenly it's so valuable that you can't afford to post even a single piece.But at this point I assume you are just a shitposter shitting up a thread rather than someone seriously engaging in art and improvement, so whatever. I'm just glad this field has some natural filters against certain types that has nothing to do with talent or whatever other excuses they come up with.
>>7896722You seem to think you know everything about me already, so I really don't need to give you any more information about me. Because that's what you do when posting your art. You reveal yourself to the public. No need to get so offended just because someone doesn't want reveal their personal secrets to you
>>7896722Also, I never asked you for advice, you stuck up faggot. Giving people "advice" they never asked for is just acting like a faggot.
>>7896723>Hard to say anything when I don't know what I'm working with.So I'm forced to go with your attitude that you are giving, unless something changes. And it's still pointing towards shitposter and that I really should stop since the previous reply.
>>7896724I didn't ask you for your opinions. I didn't ask for this entire thread.Where is the artwork and critique?
>>7896727You are right, you technically didn't ask, but you made some retarded statements that could have used some correction, and that could have indicated a hopeless individual instead of a stuck up bitch.
>>7896728I want you to indicate an individual who shuts up and goes to shit up some other board, like /r9k/ for instance.
>>7896722>But at this point I assume you are just a shitposter shitting up a threadAbsolutely right. So don't feed the troll.
