Does your art appeal to the male gaze?https://youtube.com/shorts/PeXkS0QBL3s?si=C-hnMCHTewnUlPsn
Sweet, another woman bait thread since the women history thread completely failed.
>male gaze = attractivedamn...
>>7894580>tumblr style male looking piercing monkeyI'm doing the opposite of gazing
>>7894580My art appeals to the female gaze, I create slop like Kpop Demon Hunters, Love and Deepspace, Webtoons.
>>7894580Man those OCs look like shitBefore and after
I'd like to say it is but at the same time, I've been told my line art looks "too clean" and that my art style is ungoonable despite the ungodly amount of money i've earned from NSFW comms
>>7894721>ungoonableYeah, I couldn't goon to this.Also, what the fuck is his left hand supposed to be doing?
>>7894580he is doing gangbusters engagement by my standards so what do I know. lol
>>7894745>he
>>7894580Yes. But for some reason it also attracts the troon gaze
>>7894580You might not like it, but this is what peak female performance looks like
Male gazeFemale gazeTumblr gazeTroon gazeGooner gazeFurry gazePedo gazeFirstie gazeThirdie gazeEuropean gazeLatin-American gazeJapanese gazeWeeb gazeMeta gazeZoomer gazeBoomer gazeMillenial gaze
>>7894580I always thought something like this could be fodders for fun re-draw threads, but is that too petty?
>>7894659pyw? I too wish to learn from the female gaze, but for me it's tumblr fanart style
>>7895008Possibly, but why not do it anyway?
>>7894659>My art appeals to the female gazecap
>>7894589>>7894652to be fair, he did tried. >>7895018There really isn't much to work with, nothing grabs me when I look at them, unfortunately. Probably need more revision once additional story element has been flashed out. I do found it amusing that a commentor said that he turned them into genshin design because it lacks the greeble maxxing the genshin impact's character design typically has.
>>7895043>both sides are unappealing as fuck
>>7895043So let me get this straight....if the right is through the male gaze, than the left is through what?The female? The troon?What demographic finds a balding negress wearing a colonial dress with a mustache attractive?I NEED TO KNOW.
>>7895043is the male gaze in the room with us right now?
>>7895091more like the male gays amirite
>>7895057It's an excuse for females, real and imaginary, being angry and/or ugly.
>>7894732https://youtube.com/shorts/1HNi6pDUDF8?si=NNLqO6yOubiEkLP2
>>7895043Why is obsession with ugliness considered a good thing nowadays among women?
>>7895246Because it's easier to yell that people are wrong about what's attractive than putting work into being attractive
>>7895246i mean, some people r just ugly. not everyones some model, and i think its reasonable to represent that in ur art
>>7895057i think the point is the first one isnt really built for a specific gaze and its just the way the guy designed the character for some other reason
>>7894580Peak "i hope she sees this bro"
>>7894659So it's bad art.
>>7894580Proof women are horrible at art.
>>7895295>and i think its reasonable to represent that in ur artbut why the fuck would you want to?
>>7894580>>7895043When the bluepilled tumblr trannoid draws something so goonerphobic that you have to hit xem with a Male Gaze
>>7895353The femoids in the femoid containment general on this board can draw hot women though. This one's issue is that she has stage IV degenerative tumblr disease (terminal).
>>7895532because its the average population? i like drawing people with imperfections, drawing pretty woman constantly gets boring. the artist here does have a shit style tho so it doesnt work for her, but drawing uggos is fun sometimes
>>7895096>male gayswe used to call them french
>>7895246it's a cartel conspiracy tactic. imagine you and your competitors all struggle to meet the demand, so you all conspire to artificially lower the standard so that it's easier for all of you to operate the business. if an ugly bitch is already pretty, that means an average joe bitch is already a beauty goddess
>>7895043Why are they all standing in Limbo?
>>7894580Who cares what femoids and feminists think. They're miserable cunts who live on easy mode who should'a been ignored if not silenced long ago.
>>7894800Shoegaze
>>7895295Even ugly people prefer looking at beautiful onesIt's like being a disabled person irl and then roleplaying as one in a tabletop game.
>>7895057>leftwhat t*ey look like in reality>rightwhat t*ey look like in fantasy
>>7894580it appeals to my gaze, fuck everyone else
>>7895057What they’ll say is that because of capitalism no other type of “gaze” is known.Anyways because their theory is wrong and words don’t actually have the power to bring concepts into existence “male gaze” will soon simply mean “attractive”.
>>7895295>>7895622There's drawing people ugly and drawing ugly people. If you can't draw normies in an appealing way you're peak NGMI.
I'll never believe that the 'male gaze' is a bad thing. >"Oh oh, it's so dehumanising and objectifying!"No it isn't. I don't want to fuck a chair, I want to fuck another human being. Being sexually attracted to someone is the exact opposite of objectification because it's something we only do to other people (bar the sexual deviants). The only way women can show men's sexuality as a bad thing is to go to extremes and show when men are being sex pests, or to exaggerate how awful totally mundane conversations or slight flirtatious behaviour is.This whole public discourse has probably done more damage to both genders than any possible good it could have possibly conceivably achieved.
>>7896209I never said she pulled it off well lol
>>7896070Im disabled and i do that... anyway art isnt always about what u prefer to look at it's about getting a message across. It depends what you intend to be, do you wanna make something pretty or tell a story?
>>7896306>Im disabledYeah, I can tell.
>>7896466Physically u mongrel
>>7896480Brain damage is a physical disability
>>7896614its usually both
do we have anybody else you guys want to see redraw of?
Ugly art is made by people with ugly souls
>>7896230>edited version of the compliment comicbruh x 1000You all know that's not the point the original comic is making, it's just pure strawman false equivalence.It's not about "imagine being intruded on the opposite sex", it's "imagine being intruded on by MEN" which is an uncomfortable experience despite of your sex
>>7895573And what general is that? How do you know they're women?
>>7897429So the original comic is gay?
>>7897429>It's not about "imagine being intruded on the opposite sex", it's "imagine being intruded on by MEN"The original comic (if I recall correctly) is the same, except they drew the men looking sad or disgusted when receiving the compliments.The point the edit is making is that men would be very happy to be in the reverse situation. And no, men wouldn't be uncomfortable receiving compliments from other men - maybe if you ever did something deserving of a compliment, you'd realise it's not so bad (it's pretty great, actually).>"b-b-but it's intruding on -"We don't live our lives no interaction with each other, we're always going to be intruding on each others lives. A simple hello from someone passing by on the street can be seen as someone 'intruding' on the other person... and thinking so would also make you a massive whiny pussy.Acting as if some flirtatious compliments are as bad as stalking or sexual assault, or anything above benign, should open you up to being wildly ridiculed for being such a sensitive moron.
>>7896920the pink demon girl, what a fucking failure of design, both the original and the "male gaze" variant.
>>7897578ah, I don't mean stuff from this person in particular. they don't seem to have a lot of experience, everybody's gotta start somewhere.
>>7895572Being able to see beauty in the hideous is considered a morally good trait. These people are obsessed with being good people. So they try and make art that "proves" their goodness by pretending to see beauty in the hideous.
>>7898287Was meant for>>7895246
>>7895295>ur r ppl em d bix nood mf af ahhhh
>>7896230the image you posted isn't a good analogue to what women go through though, those women are harmless and or/sexy. every woman barring the most delusional go through life knowing every man, even teenage boys post puberty, could concuss them with one hard punch. most men are ugly and wank to disgusting porn that they use to inform their opinions about women. that's what women deal with when a man catcalls a woman or tells her to smile he's doing it because he lives in a world where women are meat who should be happy about being meat. otherwise you would hear more about men catcalling other men or telling them to "smile"this comic would work if the women were all fat and hideous and it was a bizarro world where everything was flipped
>>7898334>most men are ugly and wank to disgusting porn that they use to inform their opinions about women.There's little point having a discussion about gender dynamics or politics with someone with such a blatant case of misandry, to the point that they just wear it proudly on their sleeve. Should we ask the KKK about their opinions on racial dynamics too?>But I'm a man!Then you're a Uncle Tom for all men... an Auntie Tom, if you will.
>>7898410misandry means nothing. it's just mean words online and women distrusting men after men have harmed them. it isn't comparable to racism, which is often born from ignorance and fantasy, especially since everywhere on earth was made by a guy for guys or are you going to lie and say you've ever, at any point in your life, felt that a woman could seriously end or impede it? or that you being a man has barred you from employment, property, opportunity, etc.
>>7898436>are you going to lie and say you've ever, at any point in your life, felt that a woman could seriously end or impede it? or that you being a man has barred you from employment, property, opportunity, etc.There are:>Women only college grants>Women only spaces>Discrimination of men in women dominated fields>Clothes Shopping is a female dominated space so men have to search far and wide to find anything decent- if you go into any retail store the men's section is probably in the corner somewhere while it's all female/ kids clothes Personally I think no matter what race or gender you are you're going to get hit with some form of discrimination. >especially since everywhere on earth was made by a guy for guysThey may have been made by men, but certainly not for men. Women are beloved in the western world and we hold them on a pedestal no matter how unaccountable they can be for their actions. It's in men's biology to try to provide for a woman. Men derive power from achieving something themselves, Women derive power from having people to get what they want- and I don't blame them because they are the physically weaker sex. There's an old saying "If the man is the head of the household the woman is the neck" Men have to DO while Women have to BE and it sucks because genetics play a large role for women, but by no means is it a disadvantage.
>>7898436>misandry means nothing.Then misogyny means nothing.>it isn't comparable to racismThere was no comparison to racism made. I compared it to a scenario in which the KKK are asked their worthless opinions on other races.If you still think (incorrectly) that's a comparison to racism, then how's this scenario; it's like asking for a vegan for their worthless opinion on a steakhouse's menu.Likewise, your opinions on men, and men's interactions with women, are worthless.>>7898462I really don't know why you're bothering my guy, you're going to be talking to a wall.
>>7898466>I really don't know why you're bothering my guy, you're going to be talking to a wall.I figured that so I made a wall of text of my own, a couple more and we can build a little minecraft house.
>>7898462>Women only college grantsWomen were barred from higher education for most of human history. Those grants exist to even out the score a little. >Women only spacesBecause men are dangerous and women need safe spaces. These spaces don't exist because of male hatred, they exist because males predate on females everywhere, all over the planet. >Discrimination of men in women dominated fieldsShow me proof of this. Regardless, even if there are a handful of woman dominated fields it doesn't change facts like the wage gap, etc.>Clothes Shopping is a female dominated spaceBullshit point I'm not even going to read the rest of your post. You live in an alternate reality, clearly >>7898466>misogyny means nothing.Misogyny is the reason for shit like Epstein's Island and femicide. It is also why women aren't even considered people in large swathes of the world. Misandry is uhhh....IDK, women calling men ugly online? It means nothing. Misandry isn't real. Men are not targeted in a way that tangibly matters for being men. You can't show me any proof that isn't cherry picked. >There was no comparison to racism made. I compared it to a scenario where a racist hate group are asked about race. Holy fucking retard
>>7898496Anon epstein was gay you've clearly read none of the emails
>>7898334>>7898436>>7898496Why are you wasting your time on low IQ "not all males, but always a male" shit scrotes ? They exist in a reality where the biggest injustice in life is not having government mandated fuckmaids to rape and breed more bastard males like them. Ignore and go draw.
>>7898496>There was no comparison to Veganism made. I compared it to a scenario where a Vegan is asked about a meat filled menu. Why didn't you say this instead? I'd say you're doubling down, but you were already at rock bottom anyway.
>>7898290Cos i put r???? Tooka shortcut cos My hand hurts from jerking off ur mum sory
>>7898529Girls were still abused on that island though
>>7898683You're just too stupid to understand why gay men rape little girls. You could cross over at any time and look at how things are in the real world, but doing that would show you that the premises your political project is built on are total fucking bullshit.Epstein himself is in his emails complaining about how the goyim protesting it don't understand the 'benefits' that feminism has brought them. You don't understand how your ideology eventually permits whatever these people do.
>>7898496What an actual retard. You asked for points of disadvantages I give you it and you give me retarded speaking points. How do you not know that the clothes shopping is dominated by females. There were statistics show that women are 87% directly or indirectly responsible for consumer purchases so of course clothing companies cater to them, but you're so caught up in your oppression olympics and want your life to be worse than men soo much! and yes men are directly dangerous because they're the stronger sex but women are mentally dangerous. Toxic femininity is what got Trump elected in the first place, women love their purity in-group, out-group ways that they kicked a lot of people out of their own party. I really don't care about politics anymore but Bernie Sanders seemed the better canidate and Hilary Clinton (woman) edged him out of the DNC, that crushing blow from the BLM interruption making him look to submissive to be electable was also done by a woman, because they didn't perceive that he was in the "in group" As to epstien didn't he have an assistant that is somehow trying to get off? What was HER name again? Btw Epstien isn't a gendered problem it's a class problem, the majority of men think what he did is absolutely disgusting and the fact that these people are walking around with no legal consequences disheartening. >wage gapokay I'm being trolled, you got me, I'm a good sport so I'll still post my caffeine fueled rant. btw the wage gap has reversed in some areas, seeing how women are going to college more than men nowadays.
>>7898436>it isn't comparable to racism, which is often born from ignorance and fantasy,>most men are ugly and wank to disgusting porn that they use to inform their opinions about women.>Because men are dangerous>often born from ignorance and fantasy,>ignorance and fantasy,
trannies always have a retarded out of touch view of femininity and what is attractive to healthy men cause they've fried their brains with deranged porn during their development years. they are mentally brown but pretend they're not. you can see they have the same bottom of the barrel mouthbreather trash taste in women disguised under leg hair and man facesit all coalesces into futaniggers, that's the end stage. futa is where the brown meets the tranny
>>7894580All of my customers are men so who cares what women think of my art
>>7896230>>7897497>And no, men wouldn't be uncomfortable receiving compliments from other men - maybe if you ever did something deserving of a compliment, you'd realise it's not so bad (it's pretty great, actually).Lol I'd bet a 100 bucks you wouldn't enjoy getting constant sexually imbued comments from gay dudes, that's the thing, these comments women receive in the majority of cases aren't just "well intentioned compliments", it's all kinds of men just constantly trying to get in their pants.You gotta also keep in mind that we as men have evolved to enjoy positive attention from a multitude of members of the opposing sex at once, because theoretically the man can just impregnate them all and pass on his genes better that way, there's very little downside. Meanwhile, women have evolved to be selective since they can only ever at a time become pregnant with one man.
>>7899275Have you not been to a gay bar with friends? The compliments and unwanted sexual attention are just water off a duck's back, it's not a big deal.Hell, a few times I've been drinking at a normal bar, struck up conversation with the dude next to me, before being asked if he could take me back to his place for some butt fucking. Embarrassing, sure, but that's the end of it.The idea that compliments, or bad flirting, should be seen as the big negative thing is stupid, and just aims to make women perpetual victims.Keep in mind that the distinction should be made between just pleasantries and compliments, and actual sexual requests (like the dude wanting me to fuck his ass, or fuck mine), to sort these all into the same category is to demonize men and make all women perpetual victims.You may claim it's an issue of proportionality then, that women are being complimented and flirted with constantly and... well, perhaps simply because I cannot experience what they experience, but I just flat out disagree. Sure it happens occasionally, and a good deal more than it ever does for men, but not to the degree that I think is being complained about or it's being made out to be. Though this is a matter of perspective, and I can't really know (nor can you) know what it's like, but likewise, women can't know what it's like for a men to be on the opposite end of that compliment receiving spectrum.However, if it were true women were being inundated with constant unwanted compliments, then surely it should be something easily proven and shown to the world? I remember that one video of the woman walking through the streets of NY that caused a stir, but half the comments were simply dudes saying hello. Surely more videos like that should be easily made? Surely there should be more cases of women live streaming and being made uncomfortable by all the compliments?
>>7899307Oh, and to be clear, I'm not saying that women can't find it annoying or whatever, it's just blown entirely out of proportion.
>>7899307>Have you not been to a gay bar with friends?anon why are your friends pulling you to a gay barare you OP
>>7899318Because they were gay, and wanted to go to a gay bar, and I didn't mind.Believe it or not, I have the will power to not give in to the temptations of another guy wanting to fuck me.You should go (with a friend), they're interesting experiences... and sometimes incredibly degenerate if you go to the wrong place (literally dudes fucking each other on the dance floor, but that was in europe, so I'm sure it was an ordinary bar there).
>>7899307no I have not been to a gay bar with friends, but I have received attention from gay men at certain times and while I personally found it funny then, I can definitely imagine it getting annoying to keep being approached and flirted with by people you're not interested in, especially if they were larger and stronger than you and potentially dangerous, and would sometimes approach you at night or when you were alone, would randomly send photos of their cocks and also try to get you drunk so they could have an easier time getting you to bed with themI also think it's an absolutely fucking awful comparison with the gay bar since that's a place you are for a few hours max, knowing you can leave anytime and all the attention stops and it's just a one time thing, unlike how women literally keep getting attention every day pretty much everywhere.>but I just flat out disagree. Sure it happens occasionally, and a good deal more than it ever does for men, but not to the degree that I think is being complained about or it's being made out to be. Though this is a matter of perspective, and I can't really know (nor can you) know what it's like,how do you, in the same sequence of sentences, say that you don't know what it's actually like or how much women experience it, but then also disagree with it being too muchI used to think it was overblown until I had gotten a girlfriend and got to see and hear from her how much attention she would get from random dudes, messages, dickpics, staring, etc. My own sister once told me she had to flash a knife at a guy at a club because he wouldn't fuck off. You might say "ooh but that happens once twice whatever it's not much" but that's all just a conjecture by you and either way you can't reasonably expect women to keep being trustful and friendly to random dudes when they can't ever know which of them are just good guys trying to give a well intentioned compliment and which are potentially dangerous creeps.
>>7899355>can't ever know which of them are just good guys trying to give a well intentioned compliment and which are potentially dangerous creeps.even more so considering how even dudes that might seem like totally normal and okay and friendly/great people might turn weird or straight up dangerous when women or alcohol or both come into playlike even the fact that it's straight up recommended for women to carry pepper spray or weapons to defend themselves when walking alone in remote places or at night is just insane
>>7899355>how do you, in the same sequence of sentences, say that you don't know what it's actually like or how much women experience it, but then also disagree with it being too muchFrom the post you're responding to:>However, if it were true women were being inundated with constant unwanted compliments, then surely it should be something easily proven and shown to the world? I remember that one video of the woman walking through the streets of NY that caused a stir, but half the comments were simply dudes saying hello. Surely more videos like that should be easily made? Surely there should be more cases of women live streaming and being made uncomfortable by all the compliments?> You might say "ooh but that happens once twice whatever it's not much" but that's all just a conjecture by youLikewise, what you're positing is also conjecture.>>7899360>even more so considering how even dudes that might seem like totally normal and okay and friendly/great people might turn weird or straight up dangerous when women or alcohol or both come into playThat can be the case for anyone. People get angry at the advice of not walking alone at night, not realising that advice is supposed to be applied to everyone, not just women.Men are the greatest number of perpetrators, and there are more violent and mentally ill men out there than for women,Men are also the greatest number of victims, being brutalised and victimised the most by those perpetrators.Should men fear other men? Should men be taught to fear other men? Of course not, because we understand they are outliers of society.Yet when it comes to men who victimise women, suddenly we need to act like it's the majority of men doing so, and that even simple comments are men victimising women.>it's straight up recommended for women to carry pepper spray or weapons to defend themselvesMost countries ban the carrying of such things, so I wouldn't say that's true.
>>7899275Anon you don't make babies through compliments
>>7899369>Likewise, what you're positing is also conjecture.no it's not conjecture, it's information I got from women whom I trust and with whom I got to see parts of it first handgood to see you absolutely skipped the part where I said all of that, so please do refer to it regarding how much more uncomfortable and negative attention women experience. Do you have to carry a knife when going out because there's a real risk some person won't leave you alone?>not realising that advice is supposed to be applied to everyone, not just women.It definitely applies much more to women than men, I don't think there's any kind of debate here. Unless you're going into an actual dangerous area of town or someplace with lots of drunk people, as a man, at least where I live, you can walk anywhere at night with no worry, but I would definitely advise my female relatives and acquaintances not to do so.>Most countries ban the carrying of such things, so I wouldn't say that's true.No they definitely don't, though surprisingly there are ones that do and they are numerous. In Europe it appears to be about half and half with a quick search. Either way women are advised to carry some kind of weapon or, if they can't, avoid those areas completely.>Men are also the greatest number of victimsThe situations from which this stems are absolutely different than with women, men are much more likely to get into conflicts and shady stuff in general I would reckon. Also we are not just talking about being straight up attacked, but sexual harassment too.>Should men fear other men? Should men be taught to fear other men?Again men don't just get approached by other men seeking to potentially take advantage of them on the street daily.
>>7899371you court the other party through compliments which leads to having sex which leads to having babies
>>7898334>most men are ugly and wank to disgusting porn that they use to inform their opinions about womenThis is the premise of the argument that this entire shit storm is about, and it is false. Men receive the information about what is attractive in a woman directly from their own balls. Women rely on social consensus because they don't have balls. Men can sit in a room alone with a pencil and a paper and experimentally discover what they're into, and they can't be socially engineered to be attracted to other things. When it comes to knowing what men are into, women are the opposite of this. They have to learn it like a school subject. That's why they assume that everyone else learns it this way as well, and end up assuming that men are just as programmable as women. If you believe this, then the only explanation for why men are into a coherent and consistent set of things is that there's a grand conspiracy to generate a culture that perpetuates itself in every facet of reality. The quality of men's attraction to women is either inherent to men and part of their nature, or it's part of a total cultural conspiracy, and because women don't have balls they have no access to the inherent nature of balls they can only assume that it's the culture. The porn is informed by men, not the other way around. Men don't do anything to maintain this. They go towards things that they like and everyone else finds ways to benefit from it. And to begin with, if this was all socially driven, why wouldn't you hate any permutation of society equally given that your justification for hating this one would apply to any other just as well? Eroticism having a non-social source is the only way out of permanent social conflict.>>7899379You could also just rape. Dispel with this social fiction and look at how things are in the real world. You think it's like that, and also that it's like that ideally, but because you know that it's ideal you should know that it isn't real.
>>7899378>no it's not conjecture, it's information I got from women whom I trust and with whom I got to see parts of it first handSo anecdotal evidence... in other words, conjecture... alright.>Do you have to carry a knife when going outI have a weapon in my car at all times, so yes. I also carry often knife for similar reasons.>Unless you're going into an actual dangerous area of town or someplace with lots of drunk peopleYou say this, about a quote, that is responding directly to such a scenario...>No they definitely don't, though surprisingly there are ones that do and they are numerous.Potato pootahto, the point is that it's less that women are advised to carry such self defense, but that it's a matter of personal preference (one that I support mind you, given that I carry something as well).
>>7899390cont.>The situations from which this stems are absolutely different than with women, men are much more likely to get into conflicts and shady stuff in general I would reckon.I actually don't even know how to respond to this, because I don't know what you're arguing. Men are the main victims of most all crime, besides sexual crimes, and that's not a problem because... men get into conflicts? So if a woman get into a conflict before getting raped, it's fine? The fuck is this mindset?>Also we are not just talking about being straight up attacked, but sexual harassment too.Is also including the number of sexually harassed women going to make there be more female victims of crime? The answer is no. Men are still the major victim of crime.Since men are the biggest victims of men, should men fear other men?(and all this doesn't even get into the fact that men often make up a surprisingly large portion of sexual harassment and rape victims, though women are still the major suffering party)>Again men don't just get approached by other men seeking to potentially take advantage of them on the street daily.So robbers, insane people, violent thugs, none of that was one sided, it was all mutually agreed upon violence?... C'mon my guy.
>>7899378>Again men don't just get approached by other men seeking to potentially take advantage of them on the street dailyThis makes me think that excess safety has made you schizophrenic.
>>7899408nigga my sister literally had to flash a knife to get a guy to leave her alone at a fucking CLUB (a place with other people around) what the fuck are you on abouthow many women have you talked to about this and gotten reports about their experience from?>>7899389>You could also just rape. Dispel with this social fiction and look at how things are in the real world. You think it's like that, and also that it's like that ideally, but because you know that it's ideal you should know that it isn't real.what the fuck are you even talking about? This is literally how it is, you compliment someone of the opposite gender to start talking to them then you eventually invite them out then you eventually fuck. Feel free to explain how it doesn't actually work like that.
>>7899392>I actually don't even know how to respond to this, because I don't know what you're arguing. Men are the main victims of most all crime, besides sexual crimes, and that's not a problem because... men get into conflicts? So if a woman get into a conflict before getting raped, it's fine? The fuck is this mindset?>Since men are the biggest victims of men, should men fear other men?if men are in a situation where they're likely to get jumped or assaulted then yeahidk why you're repeatedly ignoring the entire part where I differentiated the contexts and places wherein men and women are at risk, and how it skews towards normal day-to-day scenarios for women, hence yes women should be more wary in daily scenarios because they are more at risk there than men>So robbers, insane people, violent thugs, none of that was one sided, it was all mutually agreed upon violence?... C'mon my guy.lmao I'm getting baited am I not? you're much more likely to get harassed as a woman than you are to get robbed or attacked by thugs and insane people as a man>>7899390>I have a weapon in my car at all times, so yes. I also carry often knife for similar reasons.Then I would argue that you are in a minority, and/or potentially live in an above-average-in-danger area. The point is that in normal non-high-danger areas, men generally won't be harassed, and are not in much risk of danger if they are harassed because they are generally considerably larger and more physically capable than women. But women will get harassed, and are also in potentialy danger.>>7899390>So anecdotal evidence... in other words, conjecture... alright.I'd argue first hand accounts of the supposed victims to be a pretty good start regarding evidence in this case. I have not looked for studies about this but I do know I had your opinion until I heard from female acquaintances and other women in my life about their experience, and saw some of it.
>>7896230Men finding women attractive isn't a problem, the problem is really several problems that women aren't willing to be honest about>attractive women (who have above average IQ) hate that men solely go awooga for their bodies instead of for their bodies AND brains>plain/mid/boyish-looking women with high IQ seethe that the first group gets more attention while no one drools over them (because they're scared of men/secretly bisexual/autistic as shit)>women don't really get that segregated spaces for men and women have been the default for most of human existence and end up upset when desegregated spaces inevitably result in men abusing women>way too many women fall for feminist psyops and find themselves upset when they DON'T surround themselves with trustworthy men or refuse to establish boundaries with the men in their livesThe sad truth is that generally speaking, most women in a crowd are midwits while most men in a crowd are either dimwits or halfwits with the other half being bright. The women are upset that the men are retarded and treat women like shit despite the fact that the women collectively have more brains than most of the men and yet fall for propaganda that tells them to let women and men mix freely together while simultaneously Othering menjust read the manipulated man
>>7899433It's your sister who's going psycho and bringing weapons to clubs. Fuck man. Holy shit. The argument is that women should be armed because they are armed.
>>7897701my nigga what is up with that fucking pussy
>>7899436>women should be more wary in daily scenarios because they are more at risk there than menSo men are the biggest victims of crime overall, but women need to be more wary because... of some context you're alluding to?>I differentiated the contexts and places wherein men and women are at risk, and how it skews towards normal day-to-day scenarios for women>you're much more likely to get harassed as a woman than you are to get robbed or attacked by thugs and insane people as a manIf it were day to day, then women would be the biggest victims, wouldn't they? but it's men.You say you're much more likely to be 'harassed' as a woman than be robbed or attacked as a man, and perhaps you're right... if the harassment we're talking about is specifically verbal harassment of the sexual kind.AGAIN, men are the biggest victims of crime across the board - even if we include sexual crime (which women are the biggest victims of), men are still the biggest victims of crime over all. Painting the picture that women need to cower in fear, when men are the biggest victims and don't do so themselves, seems ridiculous to me.>Then I would argue that you are in a minorityEh, all my friends do, my parents do, and I do. I wouldn't say it's a dangerous area.>The point is that in normal non-high-danger areas, men generally won't be harassedSure... but there'd still be more male victims of crime (both violent and non-violent) than women.
>>7899471cont.>and are not in much risk of danger if they are harassed because they are generally considerably larger and more physically capable than women.And yet they still get physically assaulted, robbed, etc. more than women.>But women will get harassed, and are also in potential danger.So men are a victim of crime more, but women are harassed more... are we elevating that above criminal victimisation?And even then, it's arguable that men possibly suffer more verbal harassment too, if we consider all forms and not just sexual.As for "potential danger", women may be in potential danger, but not as often as men which seems to elevate to "actual danger" for them more often.I'm not even trying to paint men as being "victims" here - I'm just annoyed that women are the ones being painted such, when they really shouldn't be.It's a shame women are the bigger victim of sex crimes, and that sometimes some flirtatious men can make women uncomfortable, but to act as if all flirtatious acts will lead to a sex crime, or endanger the women's lives does nothing for the women or their mental well being, and doesn't pan out from the crime statistics. If women were assaulted as much as people like to pretend they are, women would be the biggest victims of crime (or even just violent crime). You're asking them to be afraid of men, when their chances of victimisation are so much lower than another men's.If YOU and I aren't afraid of men, then women shouldn't be either.
>>7899473>cont. again (splitting this shit up was annoying)This isn't to say women shouldn't be vigilant, they should, but MEN should be vigilant as well.Don't walk through dark parks at night.Don't walk alone at night.Be aware of your surroundings.These are things men and women are taught, and yet men so often ignore and both genders act like it only applies to women. It's general common sense advice... and yet earlier you said of such advice >>7899378>it definitely applies much more to women than menDespite the higher rates of victimisation for men. The narrative is all fucked up. If men are the bigger victims of violent crimes, why women are the ones who are supposed to be more fearful of being being so?The only reason you don't think the advice doesn't apply to you is because you're cocky. Just like how your opinion on this topic changed with what happened to your sister, your opinion on that advice not applying to you would likely change if something happened to you or a fellow male friend.
>>7899471>So men are the biggest victims of crime overall, but women need to be more wary because... of some context you're alluding to?lmao are you trolling me or what? it seems like you're deliberately just ignoring shit I say in order to get some weird reddit sounding gotchasthe context is normal real life scenarios like walking on the street or going out in the evening or any other activity like that in which women get harassed and men don't that's literally how it is my man idk why you're trying to twist this around into some competition about who gets brutalized and shot in the head more or whatever the fuck>Sure... but there'd still be more male victims of crime (both violent and non-violent) than women.case in point why do you keep bringing this up, this isn't a competition about who's victim to more crime this is about whether women are justified in being wary and possibly overly defensive/harsh/mean with regards to interactions with men and as you also already said, usually men don't get harassed by women but women do by men so their behavior is justified>when their chances of victimisation are so much lower than another men'sand again this isn't true lol, even if you take somewhat of an outlier man that gets attacked once a year without provoking it, it's still fewer than the amount of weird guys being creepy an average woman will get, and if she goes out and spends time outside a fair bit it will probably be at least an order of magnitude more>If men are the bigger victims of violent crimesand again this isn't about violent crimes, this is about harassment and the threat of violent crimeAnother thing likely worth noting and I don't know if the statistics account for this but I would guess that harassment is much easier to go underreported than assaults and other violent crimes, if a woman gets harassed at the club or on the street she will not report it because there is literally nothing that would solve.
>>7899474>The only reason you don't think the advice doesn't apply to you is because you're cocky. Just like how your opinion on this topic changed with what happened to your sister, your opinion on that advice not applying to you would likely change if something happened to you or a fellow male friend.No I know it because that's how it is, I have friends that got into fights and I have also myself yet it's been extremely sparse and often connected to bad parts of town or getting into confrontations. Meanwhile a woman needs to just exist on social media and will already start getting sent pictures of dudes' junks. You yourself mentioned the new york woman video, I don't know if it's real footage but if yes then that is a hell lot of interaction just walking down the street and I have absolutely no problem believing that interaction could turn creepy or nasty if it's after dark or near a venue with drunk people etc.>>7899458yep having a weapon to deter potentially dangerous weirdos that won't leave you alone is extremely psychosee this is what I mean, it's so easy to be removed from these incidents and think "oh it doesn't happen it's all just mega sunshine and rainbows everybody is safe and okay" and the deduction makes sense in theory because people keep these stories to themselves and you can often have even many of them close to you that've experienced something like this but just don't mention it because who randomly starts dumping stories about the weirdos they've been approached by? So it might seem to you that it's all just manufactured online outrage.I just remembered another incident where 2 female friends got sexually harassed and taken advantage of while drunk by the same FORMER FRIEND of ours and we all would have had no clue to suspect him of doing shit like that. And I thought it was bollocks hearing it from the first one until the second chick told me of the same guy doing that.
>>7899474Also I think we've kinda gone off track so I would like to elaborate on my actual stance. I understand where you're coming from and what your point is but I feel like we're each arguing about something a little different.I am not saying that all men are monsters or that women should be some sort of metaphorical gender war or whatever, and I do agree that with the internet and social media, shit's gotten a bit too much with how some people pretend like a man approaching a woman is borderline harassment or assault by itself. I definitely think approaching people is normal and shouldn't be demonized if done respectfully and in a well-meaning manner.On the other hand I do understand the women viewpoint where it just gets annoying as fuck after a while and sometimes is borderline creepy or dangerous so I'd say we shouldn't really hold their reactions against them either.In a sense I think this is all partly a problem of cities and modern life - a person living in a city with tens or hundreds of thousands of people or even millions will just bump into so many strangers on any given day that it increases the amount of uncomfortable or dangerous interactions a woman experiences manyfold, and since said creep is just a stranger to the woman, there is no feedback loop to stop the guy from doing what he does either. I'd surmise that in a smaller community- or village-type setting, this wouldn't happen nearly as much, just like it doesn't in closed social bubbles usually - if someone's being weird, others become aware and then the person either stops or they get ousted. And hence if a well-intentioned man approaches a woman in this sort of setting, the woman can already feel some sense of safety knowing said person is part of the social system and hence probably not a weirdo and therefore won't have to shoot him down outright, which frees the dudes up to approach women more. But this is all just extreme speculation from me.
>>7899360>even dudes that might seem like totally normal and okay and friendly/great people might turn weird or straight up dangerous when women or alcohol or both come into playThis is entirely wrongheaded. Are guys more likely to be the ones initiating violence? Maybe. But there are just as many women out there who are similarly fucked in the head and are willing to do all manner of things to ruin someone. People of both sexes can be the kind of deranged that it takes to see it as a valid course of action to just straight up try to ruin an innocent human being physically, mentally, financially, or otherwise.>>7899601>the person either stops or they get oustedEven if you want to narrow it down to purely the risk of man-on-woman sexual violence, the risk to be so worried about there isn't from strangers, but from said deranged individuals being within families and trusted authority structures. Why do you think rape is so common among fundamentalist religions? Hassidics, mormons, evangelicals, wahhabists, extreme buddhists, and so on - Just like the horror stories about family members sexually abusing their kin, the commonality is that there are people who lack the compassion for their fellow humans and exploit the fuck out of people who are intensely concerned with social harmony, via "don't rock the boat" tendencies. But this also applies to other forms of abuse, not just M->F rape.You have a perspective that simply believes SOME women's takes, without realizing that that cohort is angry about an issue that they do not fully understand, and that they have swallowed misinformation about which they repeat. Be more critical, because fostering healthy discussion and truthseeking is one way to keep such nutcases from infiltrating, and dissuade those already there from acting. Else you are just fucking helping that "don't rock the boat" attitude which leads people to ACTUALLY get abused by removing the risk of consequences from people who only respond to threats.
>>7899619>Be more critical, because fostering healthy discussion and truthseeking is one way to keep such nutcases from infiltrating, and dissuade those already there from acting. Else you are just fucking helping that "don't rock the boat" attitude which leads people to ACTUALLY get abused by removing the risk of consequences from people who only respond to threats.I don't see you being very critical, you keep arguing past my points and often outright ignoring them - how can you be so sure that your assessment of the situation and your guesswork about how many women actually get harassed is so correct? I once again ask, how many women have you talked about this with, or is your opinion just based on some made up vibe you got that "surely women don't get harassed as much as they say they do"? Also the second half of this paragraph is shit completely unrelated to what we were talking about, nice divertion.>>You have a perspective that simply believes SOME women's takes, without realizing that that cohort is angry about an issue that they do not fully understand, and that they have swallowed misinformation about which they repeat.My fucking Brother in Christ the cohort is women having experiences nearly if not daily for years upon years upon years. There's no magical source of propaganda from which it is trickling to "the masses" that are getting manipulated, it's literally what happens and you only need to go outside and look around in social settings and potentially talk with people to learn that it is so. Literally go to a club sober and observe what happens around you and you will see it.I feel like I'm fucking going mad are you just fucking trolling? This is like trying to convince someone rain doesn't actually exist and is just a misinterpretation of a phenomenon "the cohort doesn't truly understand". WHAT ARE YOUR SOURCES FOR THIS EXTREME CONVICTION OF YOURS please tell me
>>7899619>>7899637Like for fucking real this entire conversation is>"Women get harassed often and so are right to be wary about unwanted attention from men">"Ok but everyone gets killed some people get robbed. So the women are just misled."???????? Your conclusion and whatever you keep talking about doesn't even connect to what is being talked about.Yes men can get robbed and killed and assaulted but it usually doesn't happen during daily interactions.Women can get robbed and killed and assaulted and also harassed and the most latter happens during daily interactions.That's literally all there is to it. It's not a competition about who gets hurt more, it's just a fact that in normal day to day women are more likely to get harassed which is by default a bad thing and can even be dangerous. Therefore they are right to be wary.
>>7899637I haven't replied to you otherwise in the thread besides that post.>harassedHarassment is defined as such that, in most jurisdictions, gossip counts as harassment. It's so damn broad that it's a useless thing, because by all accounts 90% of this thread is anons harassing other anons.I understand what you mean however I 100% disbelieve that what you say is accurate. I do talk to women pretty often, and there is none of this shit on the daily. It's anecdote vs anecdote and the tiebreaker is that the statistically none of this shit happens as much as some people claim.>I don't see you being very criticalClaims should be investigated. Do you ever ASK what actually happened in each specific instance when said women in your life seemingly tell you this shit? Hell, do you investigate claims people make in general, or do you just trust everyone's imperfect human perspective to be truth?>Literally go to a clubThe entire point of a club is as a hookup spot under the pretense of music, with alcohol as a social lubricant. If a woman claims to have been harassed at a club, that means either she doesn't fucking realize this and is not going in with the expectation of having to reject advances constantly, or is annoyed at how few people she is interested in at such a place and how some people can't take a hint.>>7899642No my contention is that>Women get harassed oftenis an inaccurate statement. They do not get harassed often, and the level of annoying it provides is not anything to be concerned about when it does happen. It is a slippery slope to assume that crass remarks are an indicator of a potential rape situation. And even if I'm somehow incorrect about the RATE of harassment, the statistics on sexual assault bear out that random fuckos making crass remarks or not taking a hint are not the source of most sexual assaults. THAT title goes to trusted family members and members of institutions, like (but not exclusively) the aforementioned religious groups
>>7894580Didn’t put a lot of effort in here, but all of the traits (including fatness, stretch marks and piercings) can be incorporated into an appealing design without sexualization
>>7899590>yep having a weapon to deter potentially dangerous weirdos that won't leave you alone is extremely psychoYour sister used a knife to threaten a man at a club. Does this mean that your sister is:a. safe, orb. in danger?
>>7899590>yep having a weapon to deter potentially dangerous weirdos that won't leave you alone is extremely psychoHaving MACE to deter weirdos is normalCarrying a KNIFE is psycho
>>7900094nta, a gun is better.If someone attacks me my goal is to end the threat. I don't know how much lethal force I might encounter should that happen, so the most-lethal option available is the best one to choose.Not that getting attacked is likely (crime rates always going down, etc), but it's better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.
>>7894580It’s giving 5ED D&D energy
>>7899656>The entire point of a club is as a hookup spot under the pretense of music, with alcohol as a social lubricant.anon this really makes it seem like you just don't go to places where these things might happenthe entire point of a club is to go listen to music and have fun and hookups/meeting people is absolutely secondary for the majority of people, at least the clubs and venues I am talking about, most attendants even go in groups of friends and often never deviate from said groups while there.>Do you ever ASK what actually happened in each specific instance when said women in your life seemingly tell you this shit?yes lol I already told you I thought one of the stories bollocks until I heard the same thing about the same person recounted from another woman, another time the woman was literally my girlfriend and I was witness to the shit that would fly into her inbox because I literally had her phone in my hands and we were talking about how ridiculous it wasit seems to me like you've just made up your mind about women merely lying, overexaggerating and making shit up and that they just don't get harassed. Once again I'd like to ask you about why you even think this is so? >Harassment is defined as such that, in most jurisdictions, gossip counts as harassment. It's so damn broad that it's a useless thing, becausenice misdirection we both know what kind of harassment I'm talking about and you're going on about some unrelated technicality, nobody ever mentioned gossip or had it in mind as an example of harassment during this convo>THAT title goes to trusted family membersonce again you're changing the subject, this is no competition and the argument never was that randos on the street cause the most sexual assaults or about who said title goes to>I do talk to women pretty often, and there is none of this shit on the daily.Have you had a conversation with them about this specifically?
>>7900070>>7900094kek the absolute state>Your sister used a knife to threaten a man at a club.No, the man threatened my sister by repeatedly refusing to fuck off when she repeatedly rejected his advances. I'm guessing you don't have any female relatives and so all of this is just theorycrafting from your side? lol
>>7900323So your sister didn't use a knife to threaten a man at a club? What did she do then? She non-threateningly flashed the knife at a man at a club?
>>7898436I literally had a knife pulled out on me (jokingly, ha ha ha) because I said a girls boyfriend was a little stupid.Force multipliers (guns, cars, axes, sticks, rocks from really high up) have existed for quite a while.
>>7900321>the entire point of a club is to go listen to music and have fun and hookups/meeting people is absolutely secondary for the majority of people, at least the clubs and venues I am talking about, most attendants even go in groups of friends and often never deviate from said groups while there.This sounds like a very rare sort of locale. I would bet that it gets its fair share of people who don't realize that's what the scene is like there and make fools of themselves then, but I'm telling you that most clubs are settings for people to have less-awkward attempts at hookups.The music serves as a way to wall off conversations from each other as well as provide an idle thing to do. Alcohol (and in some, drugs) act as a social lubricant for normies as well. The whole point is to get laid or find a partner. Whatever clubs you go to sound more interesting than that, but definitely not the standard.>and I was witness to the shit that would fly into her inbox>inboxAre you serious?>nice misdirection I outlined how broad the standard CAN be. Most commonly in law, a person enacting "repeated unwanted contact" on someone else is considered to be stalking them, not harassing. But most people call that harassment, and think of stalking as being more like physically following, trespassing, and so on.Point being, I don't give a shit about that inbox crap, it's not a concern. Remember, your initial point was about SAFETY. Crap in an inbox from randos is not a safety concern.>the argument never was that randos on the street cause the most sexual assaultsYou were extrapolating harassment into being a safety concern, meaning fear of it becoming sexual assault, and then using a supposed high rate of harassment as reasoning for paranoia.>Have you had a conversation with them about this specifically?Considering they do not shut up about it for days when it has happened, or even at minimum someone loitering who they think looks like a creep, I do not have to.
>>7899389>Men receive the information about what is attractive in a woman directly from their own balls. you can go to /d/ at any given day and see men cooming to everything from cartoon squirrels to airplanes to pink blobs because they have "feminine" traits and are informed female, and they've been taught lipstick = girl so if something has lipstick they can goon to it because it's a girl. men will put lipstick on a pig and fuck into it. men will get hard by plastic blow up dolls with female faces printed onto them. skimmed the rest of your post and it's just utter nonsense, you have been programmed into finding certain things hot. everyone has. that's called socialization. you are not immune to it. >>7898794go to /gif/ right now or ask any woman you know...your own mother maybe, when has she ever felt in danger by a male. if she tells you never she's lying for your benefit. women are generally scared of their only natural predator >>7898766>but you're so caught up in your oppression olympics and want your life to be worse than men soo much! for women it often is yes
>>7900355>I literally had a knife pulled out on me (jokingly, ha ha ha) because I said a girls boyfriend was a little stupid.are you underage?
>>7900416How the FUCK are men a "natural" predator to women if that quality comes entirely from society? Get the fuck out. Jesus.
>>7900419you can ignore the lived experience of 99.9% of women all throughout history if it pleases you, doesn't change a thing. water is wet, fire burns, dogs bite, men harm women. all facts you only deny if they hurt you
>>7900423Will you educate water into becoming dry? At this point you've totally lost the argument.
>>7900423Humans have imperfect perception and color everything through their perspective.You are making a faith-based argument. You might as well go affirm the lived experiences of the people who observed faith healers restore cripples to walking or the various stupid claims scientologists make for their beliefs.I would expect others to critique my "lived experiences" just as I do to others. Believing unfalsifiable shit is how you create environments ripe for manipulation by socipaths, narcissists and BPD fuckfaces.
>mildly libtarded word used by the OP>fully retarded convos ensue between several autistsI just wanted to see some anime tiddies bros
>>7900435try any other website
>>7900323At a CLUBWhere they have BOUNCERSAll she had to do was scream and say he groped her>no butShut the fuck up, I have worked security and they would throw his ass out in a heartbeat.
>>7900435well, post some stuff for people to chudify them.
>>7894580Yo, I dont know what the fuck is this chinese incel bullshti argument that is going on in the thread but let me tell ya something. Im tired of women complaing about the male gaze when most of the time they dont even consume the media that was meant to appeal with in the first place. You see in reddit, Twitter, and even in Instagram of people bitching about how some anime shit where if breasts that are slightly bigger than an A cup or they show a bit of skin are instantly labeled as "problematic" or that retarded zoomer word "goonerbait" and everything it just either just the person is jsut a stuck up puritan faggot or just have their own sexual insecurities projected in the comments, in properties that arent even attempting to appeal to them, "But what about the sells and popularity of Baulders gate and fucking Horizons," I dont give a fuck about those games make like fucking 500 billion units sold, I dont like realism im fantasy or sci-fi. But you dont see me commenting on some dudes realistic sci-fi project and be like, "Uhh change this shit because of blah blah blah" when most likely, I won't even interact with that shit in the first place. Same thing for them, they complain about gathca games and other shit that obviously meant for a male demographic and then bitch about how they need to change the design despite them jerking their cocks or vulva off to Leon Kennedy tweaking his ass off or something And pretend to do the whole, "WELL UHH MEN JSUT GET MAD ATEVERYTHING, SINCE WERE A MINORITY AND GET SHIT FOR OUR TASTE, LET US HAVE OUT FUN!" let us have our fun too motherfucker! Ill doubt they're in the gatcha gaming demographic or whatever the fuck, not going to spend a damn dime on that shit they already hate, and pretend they fighting for women's equality despite most of the feminist critique comes from striaght white assholes from middle class suburbia that doesnt know what the fuck theyre complaining about half the time.
>>7900580Bruh I can't fucking stand women but all this shit with buzzwords and posting annoying shit about men on social media is outrage farming for attention and clicks because that's how social media works. On /lit/ it's full of /pol/fags who spam these tiktok whores saying grating shit about men and it's obviously done with the intent of provoking a reaction.Controversy and ragebait is the heart of internet marketing. Something becomes popular, there is no better way to be a parasite on that trending thing than making a post explaining WHY it's PROBLEMATIC or why the annoying fucking shit the marketing people did for ragebait like making the main character in a reboot a nigger is actually brave and powerful. This constant anger inducing shit is done entirely on purpose. Jews want to destroy western society starting from the culture but on a small scale it's just good for clicks.
>>7900432Are you saying misogyny doesn’t exist? I don’t even get how you can argue that
>>7900749The post simply states that unfalsifiable claims should be rejected.Is the concept of misogyny unfalsifiable?If you mean to imply >"yes the concept of misogyny is unfalsifiable", then the post you replied to would mean that no proof of its existence can be found.But if you would disagree and say >"no the concept of misogyny is not unfalsifiable", then the post you replied to has no relation to the question of whether or not whatever you are using the word "misogyny" to signify exists.
>>7900765God you argue like a tranny
>>7900800Takes one to know one.
>>7895043while people ITT are mocking this (I don't like the art either), the point is>top lost "da hood" vibes and functional skin coverage>middle troon got untrooned / anime-trooned>bottom got whitewashed, add red face paint and you'll get a disney central american fetish character instead of a black person
>>7896230>every man's dreamBULLSHIT on panel 1. Many years ago, I can't remember which event it was, we were doing family photos, and the (male) photographer was making a big deal out of "not smiling". Dude asked if not-smiling was a macho thing. My dad wasn't smiling at first, but he quickly adjusted. I had to fake a light smile to get it fucking over with.*Hypothetically* if I knew a hot woman was almost going to ride my cock and that "relaxing" (read: smiling) would score a perfect hit and make her melt (and she wasn't pranking me), then hypothetically I should have no problems flowing with it.If I'm gonna smile, I want it done organically without prompting, and without "lmao the autist is smiling at the joke". Also, reactionary muscle tension alone perceived socially as happiness, is not true happiness.HOL UP. See any parallels? If woman wanted to ride cock so bad she might smile before the guy even thinks about telling her to smile. Otherwise if she smiles anyway, what does that signal? A creepy guy she doesn't like might take it as flirty "down to fuck" energy when she was just being nice. victim blaming, yadda yadda>go to extremes and show when men are being sex pestsONE man can ruin it for everyone. A woman isn't about to spread her legs for 100 men when "it's statistically unlikely to hook up with the 1 man in 1000 who is a murderer", and if she does, now she's a whore.>mundane conversationsYes honestly it could very well look like mundane conversations. A shit ton of them. For example, a girl named Cherry approached by the hundredth guy thinking he's being cute with the French language. It's not his fault 99 other guys tried it, he probably wasn't even aware of it. But if she points it out, suddenly she's chimping out for "making a big deal out of nothing".
>>7900505no she said it was outside the club>>7900369>You were extrapolating harassment into being a safety concern, meaning fear of it becoming sexual assaultno I was extrapolating harassment and men being weird and slimy into women being right to be wary of interactions with random men giving them compliments>paranoianever said that>Considering they do not shut up about it for days when it has happened, or even at minimum someone loitering who they think looks like a creepyou don't actually talk to women, correct?also jej at>they do not shut up about it for days when it has happenedso if someone gets harassed they should not talk about it a lot? just mention it then move on? also surely you see how the women who don't talk about this a lot are precisely the ones about which you don't know that they've had it happen, right?> I do not have to.Ok so you haven't had a conversation with any of them about it but somehow you know it does not happen. what are we even talking about here man?
>>7900817Problem is that the new designs still suck and don't really apeal to the "male" gaze or whatever the fuck the artist is doing.Maybe the 2nd one but it still looks off. None of these designs really have appeal for males.
>>7895057it's simple, the character simply isn't meant to be attractive.this post really highlights something interesting about the psychology that leads people to follow right-wing beliefs. this incapability of understanding that other people value things differently than yourself, the implicit expectation that for there to be a "male gaze", a similar opposite must also exist. it's really fascinating and it speaks volumes about your lack of intelligence, both logic and emotional.now, you're free to call me a troon and a onions cuck so you can avoid having to confront opposing viewpoints and remain comfortable in the little safe space you've built in your mind.
>>7900917>women being right to be wary of interactions with random men giving them compliments>But explicitly not about safety>Ignores how any time a dude has been so much as just "creepily standing somewhere in view" I hear about it repeatedly for days from the women I know, but even shit like that is ridiculously infrequent>Forgets that earlier posts were about shit like "Because men are dangerous"So it's not about harm. I expect you'll keep walking it back and either you'll eventually get to the "nobody should be made to feel uncomfortable, ESPECIALLY women >:(" line.But I suppose that's part of what the "female gaze" art in the OP is for. It's an attempt at intentionally repulsing certain types of dudes with the assumption it will filter out the creepos, but ironically that also will attract dudes who want to play up the whole "nice guy" shit as a social tactic (rather than actually being nice).
>>7901716Because the artist sucks, and also it's drawn in a vacuum / without context. Ignore the drawings, the scenarios would be something like>Strong FeMC doing Tomb Raider / zombie game stuff, soft body with no hint of toned muscles, lots of jiggle physics, always clean and wearing makeup despite facing hardship, looks physically ready to dance at the club at any time. Somehow other characters look the part.>No color scheme (on a separate note, honestly the colors thing is weird, what if someone just liked the colors before "they ruined it"?), literally draw a girl and call it boy because artist was gay enough to claim the dick makes it better, yet is still too animegirlsexual for anything less than flawless cutie to be permitted.>idk maybe something anachronistic-looking, setting based on [insert poor region], similar to #1 in cleanliness throughout the story, NPCs look the part.>Maybe characters are already fairly good looking casually but a modder said "yeah but what if they were even hotter" and others hopped on to post "hire fans lol" before that became a meme enough to satire, and ignore rest of the setting.
>>7901739good Lord you argue like a redditor, just constantly twisting words and taking bits and pieces out of context to deliberately miss the point and have stuff to attack>you'll eventually get to the "nobody should be made to feel uncomfortable, ESPECIALLY women >:(" line.brother you've been at the "nobody should be made to feel uncomfortable, ESPECIALLY men getting rejected by women >:(" line for the past 100000 posts
>>7900817bruh, I can't get you guys to draw even out of spite.
>>7901885On the contrary, I'm holding onto as much context as humanly possible and attempting to take it all into account.>you've been at the "nobody should be made to feel uncomfortable, ESPECIALLY men getting rejected by women >:(" line Point to where creepos have been defended. There's a good chunk of dudes who may approach a woman and be undesirable to her for various reasons, and her declining to associate with men she has 0 interest in sexually, romantically or platonically is just an obvious exercise of her inherent natural rights to freely associate with whoever she wants. Some women need to take action to exercise these rights more frequently, while others exist in environments where they are happy to associate with the people they encounter regularly. All based on completely individual circumstances that can't be extrapolated into broad generalizations.
>>7896920That’s the most uncomfortable clothing I ever seen, I would have to walk like a hunchback not to get a body pack strangulated
>>7902098>a body packwhat's that?
>meele geezeI read the new buzzword of the month i simply do not involve myself in it.
>>7896466nothing they said was wrong you passive aggressive retard
>>7896230The comic doesn't really hold water once you consider that men mostly enjoy the roles being reversed if it's attractive women catcalling them.A sub-5/10 or even just a mid woman telling a man to smile more or asking if the carpet matches the drapes would get a different reaction.
If you think about it, hetalia has the most female gaze appealing artwork that has ever been seen in media
>>7902264It'd be uncomfortable but I'd also find it funny/endearing if someone who looked like the 2-packs a day trailer park cousin of the Wicked Witch of the West did that
>>7902306So you do agree. Sad how judgemental men are than women. Really plays into their contradiction seeking and competitive nature. Not saying that it's detrimental either, just observing
>>7902304A shitton of shoujo manga, if not all of it, are "female gaze" because the MC's perspective is at woman-height, being often a way for the assumed-female reader to self-insert. This alters the literal DRAWING PERSPECTIVE such that most male characters appear taller than their bios (if included at some point) would indicate. You see things like the underside of male characters' noses more strongly, as well as the general eye line of backgrounds being lower. You sometimes see this shit with poorly-done yaoi as well because novice artists don't realize this general difference.That is the secret to drawing art of dudes for women to coom to you, just lower the horizon line a bit when doing the layout for the scene.
>>7902314That misses out on a lot of features doesn't it? I think it's better to draw for your target audience from all perspectives. You won't miss out on any feature of the attractive figure.
>>7902312>So you do agreeI don't see how there should be any difference is the issue. Flip the genders of my example so you have trailer park el fumo goblino, why should a woman respond differently than how a guy would?
>>7902316I will not take the cubism pill, down that route lies madness
>>7902318>Flip the genders of my exampleI think you are mistaking me for >>7902264 and I apologise for not making it clear. However I'll engage in this topic. In the case of an attractive man in this scenario it is somewhat different unfortunately. ((This is an artwork critique board I understand but the example you're talking about is related to real world issues so I'm also providing that sort of view)). Outside western countries where rape is rampant (look up mass sexual assaults in egypt, my country) even an attractive man catcalling will trigger your flight instincts. However entertaining the idea of a woman giving in to an attractive male catcalling her is a fun but unreal fantasy, just in the same way an attractive female would even being actually inclined to catcall men is unreal and a fantasy
Typo. Posting better version>>7902319I think you will lose out on competition from other artists in this way. Say in a comic, will two less developed panels depicting upper view(highlight: eyes) + lower view(highlight: lips/jawline) be more appreciated than one single developed panel featuring just one single view?Of course artists try to get stuff done as quickly as possible, but the former option takes the same time and effort as the latter, but I think will give you better hype among audience.
>>7902327Oh wait lol rape is a significant problem in western countries too but my point is that places where women are less vocal about rape(which is just simply most of the world) will have more women reacting negatively to men when catcalled, even when the men in question are attractive
>>7902333What the fuck are you talking about? I don't care about "competition from other artists" because every artist is a functional monopoly.The way you write reminds me of that subset of east asians whose passion isn't art but a MrBeastian "I love the process of being an influencer" and they draw literally whatever they think will get the most views.
>>7902338Oh I inferred that from when you said>That is the secret to drawing art of dudes for women to coom to youI understand I checked my mistake. Now if we ignore commercial success then it'll apply to simple artistic ventures as well>The way you writeI don't have a good grasp over english so sometimes I get too descriptive with my writing like how I write essays in homeworks. I want to improve to make it seem casual and congested sorry. But again we should talk about concepts in the message I wrote
>>7902343>simple artistic venturesAs in art men and women will naturally coom to lol. More spatial details and awareness in a figure even when rendered somewhat poorly is attractive
>>7902343To answer seriously, you can't, and arguably should try, to appeal to everyone simultaneously at one time. Down that way is the corporate slop hell.>>7902346>As in art men and women will naturally coom toThis is unironcally somewhat easier with fetish art since the fetish tends to be the priority. But going deeper and aiming to make the art GOOD (not overly polished genxer renderslop) will necessarily pull to one side or the other to enhance the effect.The point I was making is that there is a real "female gaze" but it's not some sociocultural signalling about some kind of gender-based values, it's literally just that women are physically on average shorter than men for a given area, so their eye level is lower, and this makes a difference when the viewer is meant to feel like they're "in" the scene. And of course that on average each is attracted to the opposite sex.The implication here is also that manlets may naturally have an easier time at drawing or relating to some portion of "female gaze" art, and the inverse for tall women.
>>7902353>and arguably SHOULDN'TFix'd, fucking typos.
>>7902353This whole message is lengthy and hence intimidating but I failed at congestion>But going deeper and aiming to make the art GOODOh the one-heavily-detailed-frame artwork thing. To get the most attractive angle is something that doesn't play into any height-related view or any M/F gaze. I will describe later on in my message.>literally just that women are physically on average shorter than men for a given area, so their eye level is lower, and this makes a difference when the viewer is meant to feel like they're "in" the sceneI understand and your line of thinking is valid. Having a first person pov is the peak of enagagement. We are at same terms in this. But I want a new concept into play to answer the previous greentext quote I made -> how much of it is appealing to a certain gaze, be it male or female gaze? Is first person pov the sole identity of male gaze? Most of the manga developers I think don't force that quite oftenLike see there are instances I found that I feel that this FPOV isn't fulfilled(the upper view): 1. In hentai mangas women are depicted from angles that aren't supposed to look like from the perspective of a man actually involved in sex. E.g. positions where a man is actually behind but the art angle shows the front of a women2. Drawing of anime girls that highlights the under shawdow of a female in a way like you're viewing frome a slightly downwards angle. Like you're seeing the under part of a skirt a little. https://files.catbox.moe/9kfayh.jpegSo I think pure and true engagement in itself isn't exclusively coom-worthy nor peak M/F gaze in my opinion. No single POV, height POV appeals to any gaze. That was my initial claim that any gaze would like the full view of a figure
>>7902385I couldn't post image because file attachment on 4chan isn't allowed with mobile data in egypt>>7902353Oh to answer first part of your message>arguably should try, to appeal to everyone simultaneously at one timeNo one should but if someone wants to make a living out of it then they will try to target as much people as possible. But I have another thought, some of the principles that are used in corporate art can be learned by normal people. I mean something that is targeted to a large amount of people won't be like literal garbage right lmao? There is a little scope of learning there for personal improvement
It's crazy how the whole debate in this thread completely ignores thatA: Women only dislike the "male gaze" from unfit men (stricter sexual selection due to biologyB: Men physically overpower women, due to testosterone and greater bone densityI'm not against women having equal rights to men, but you can see how the delusion that humans aren't sexually dimorphic leads to people saying retarded things
>>7894580I would hope so.
>>7895043Maybe they're on to something. I'm male and I find the right ones WAY more appealing than the left
>>7902408>Women only dislike the "male gaze" from unfit menBut see you never know who made the artwork or media that is made with gaze in focus so it's impossible to assess their attractiveness? Also I'm not sure why anyone would object to point B. I haven't read through the whole thread to seeit
>>7902413Dumbass fuckin shit site didn't attach my image now the whole joke is fucked
men will bitch about women bitching about the male gaze while also bitching about yaoi or a video game character not being sexy enough. hypocritical fucking dogs can we can a world war and draft like 90% of you already
>>7902385It's not about first person point of view, but about the viewer feeling like they are observing the scene. This is called "sense of place" by some artists.The image you provided has the sense of place being that the person is in the water, alongside the lanterns.>>7902392>if someone wants to make a living out of it then they will try to target as much people as possibleNot so. The luxury, enthusiast market for whatever you love to make is actually the true path. A small number of people who are willing to basically keep you alive because your art brings them such joy.Yesterday I saw some people freaked out over an animator who charged $250 US per second of animation. And yet this artist sells out their slots within a few hours every time its open.
>>7902417Hell, I'd hit that at least once to see what its like.
>>7902531>sense of placeYes and that's the way capture to all the angles of the figure of attraction which satisfies M or F gaze>Yesterday I saw some people freaked out over an animator who charged $250 US per second of animationWas it the hazbin hotel charlie animation lmao?>>7902519What is this ragebait lmao
>>7894745It's a man (woman).
>>7895043the new outfits on the right suck, though there’s no saving the middle one. I get that it’s exaggerated to prove some social justice point, but this looks like came from a person that could’ve been somewhat promising (by general e-artist standards), but is completely bogged down by political shit so they’ll never improve
>>7901739>So it's not about harmI really rather considered this conversation over when the retard placed "water is wet" on the same level of truth as "flirting is the only way to form babby", because someone that delusional literally cannot be argued with in any case, but you seem to be having trouble understanding what it's about so I'll tell you.Women ONLY think that rape is bad because society tells that to them. That doesn't even mean that they believe society's reasoning for why rape is bad. They think that the problem with rape is solely that society thinks that it's bad. The only problem is that someone else might think that there's a problem, and that someone else's reasoning does not matter. In modern western societies women are so safe that they don't have any other reason to believe that rape is bad other than that society will judge it poorly.And in this thread you'll see anon saying that women have a biological incentive to be defensive about compliments because unwanted compliments might result in unwanted pregnancies. Women will still want compliments and pregnancies. The only difference between compliments and rape is society's narrative on them. You might extrapolate from this.What the women want to do is to re-engineer society so that when a woman gets raped people tell her "congratulations" instead of "that must've been horrible". That way, women won't have to pretend that they dislike rape, and they will be able to stop carrying knives around for self-defense. They complain about their security because society tells them to be safe and that prevents them from getting raped. That's why they act like the knife is the problem. The women don't want to be safe. They want a society where they can get raped without anyone thinking that something bad has happened.And you have a different opinion on this because you get information from your balls. You know what the difference between rape and compliments is, because they come from balls.
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>>7895990>wrr vrr vrr vrr wrrr>wrrrrrrrrrrrrrr>when I look at you
>>7895295the ugly fat troon was in a skimpy sexualized outfit, what kind of asshole dresses like that when they're ugly? No self awareness...
>>7898496>Misandry is uhhh....IDK, women calling men ugly online?Try getting men fired/humiliated for petty reasons.
>>7897429>"imagine being intruded on by MEN"This has a completely different dynamic regarding the receiving gender and you should know about it. heterosexual advances feel completely different than homosexual ones.
This is how the author draws herself btw
mfw trying to follow the conversation
>>7898334i have literally never seen a man catcall a woman, only maybe a kid do it once in my highschool, this is something that only happens in nigger infested hellholes that ALL women vote to import to satisfy their fantasies of being raped and inseminated by foreign men. ALL women do thistwo can play your game stupid bitch.
>>7898496i demand by the power of the patriarchy that your roast flaps fall silent immediately and forever, make me a sandwich in the kitchen disgusting low value woman you will be a breeder in the handmaid’s tale wearing a red dress so men can fuck you or whatever, now go torture your clit to your oppression fantasy
what the fuck is this thread and all these walls of text, who the fuck allows you people to live you insist upon yourselvesyou need to either be kicked out of moms basement or have your unemployment/disability taken away and forced to workadditionally if you’re female you should be kicked hard between the legs (like seriously hard) so that it hurts down there and you stop riding the cock carosel for just a momentheil andrew tate
>>7906670brother, if you see a wall of text without a nice little scribble on it on /ic/ you 100% have to ignore that shitit's never of value or worth, just a crossboarder nodraw doing the screechy
>>7899378HOLY SHIT NIGGER CUT OFF YOUR DICK ALREADY OR STOP LARPING LIKE YOUR A GUY YOU MEATFLAP ROASTIE! GET IN THE FUCKING KITCHEN!
>>7898436You're a women. Get on your hand and knees and scrub my floor bitch.
>>7906688Trans people are just generally hateful. They tend to brigade threads and boards once certain codewords are being dropped.As expected from a golem that was mainly created to sabotage certain movements from the inside.
Just tell the trannies to kill themselvesIt just works.
