...hmmmyeaaaa no thanks.
It's-a me, PortfolioLet's-a not get a job
>>7897966Back in the days when you actually had to meet face to face to get art jobs. Artists today couldn't even make it out their (parent's) front door before having a panic attack.
>>7897966blackpill me on whatever this video is
>you have to draw the way I doIt's over
>>7897966I had this happen quite a few times, I got tired of people telling me I'm bad. I just do what I want now
>>7898086Which is?
>>7898067>you have to draw the way I doYeah, how dare they enforce a house style, or quality control. They should hire you and just accept your bean mouths!
>>7898094Robots
the portfolio shouldnt be personal preferences anyway, just lie and cheat and make what they want to see. some people think you have to sell yourself, no, you have to sell themselves to them back. just do what everyone else is doing if you want to cash in, otherwise, stand your ground and make your own way.
>>7897966what kind of event is this
>>7898116I'd assume comic-con, as they have (or used to have) people from various companies doing portfolio reviews and offering jobs to those they find impressive enough.I wouldn't be surprised if they stopped that, and made such things entirely digital, because god forbid we have any human interactions these days.
Imagine all the scammers showing up with Ai slop to these events.
>>7898158These days, any job requiring art skills probably requires an on-the-site drawing test. I know they're doing such in Japan for at least a few companies.
>>7898165It's kind of nonsense to assume there wouldn't be face to face interviews, anyway, it was never the case that there wasn't. And what would you do if you were hired and were required to show up at the office, but couldn't leave your basement because you're too autistic? Lol?
>>7898102>Yeah, how dare they enforce a house style, or quality control.I mean, yeah, how dare they? This is why American comics are suffering now. People are not interested reading in their outdated, uncool, gay boomer shit. But the deeper issue is pushing these men-in-tights series that have been running for 80 years in the first place.God, American comics fucking suck.
>>7898177True, though the art community gives me the impression that most aim for a work-from-home gig, rather than an in-office one, and it is true that such jobs could probably be done entirely from home, so it wouldn't surprise me if they were such in the majority.Personally, I'd rather like working alongside other people.
>>7898146They stopped doing it because people started getting violently upset and defensive when an artist told them to get better, which is a thing that didn't used to happen
>>7898189>But the deeper issue is pushing these men-in-tights series that have been running for 80 years in the first place.I hate superhero comics too, but I get the impression you don't read comics outside of manga (or at all) if that is your view western comic industry, or the american comic industry.
>>7898192>which is a thing that didn't used to happenProbably because teachers, or more specifically art teachers, aren't giving actual criticism to their students, so the grow thin skinned.The amount of crying I still read from artists who got told to not draw in a 'anime' style when they were younger, imagine if they received actual critique over their bullshit drawings, they'd probably have never been able to pick up the pencil again.Hell, artists refuse to even receive criticism in the online comment sections of their work these days, I can't recall seeing an actual critical comment for an art piece in a long long time.
>>7898193>or at allI read manga. But every time I go to the Western "section" of my library, I'm inundated with 70% superhero slop, with quirk chungus scribbled indie garbage about sex and mental illness making up the next 20%, and maybe 10% or less is anything quality. And I literally just can't parse it. Am I supposed to go through thousands of books until I find something worth reading?American comics have no mindshare, no one except enthusiasts care about them, so unless you go to these spaces, you don't even know what is recommended. With manga, just watch the anime and you'll know if the manga is for you. And the funny thing is, we did this to ourselves, or rather, our faggot government did it to us in the 50s and 60s.European comics and SOME American indies are better when actual soul is put into them, but I literally do not have time to go through a haystack for one quality needle, especially when there's less demand for them and they're harder to even find in stores and at the library. It's easier to just read more manga that is good.
>>7898196Eh, the majority of any medium is either, not going to be to your personal tastes, or is trash. Finding the good things in that pile is the same for pretty much any medium. You say it's easy to find good manga, and yet you still need to do the research of watching the anime to see if the manga is right for you (and even that can have the occasional miss, since some manga and anime can be wildly different, like the anime being singular solid story lines, while the manga might be nothing but unfunny gag strips).You simply don't want to go through the same effort you would for any other piece of media to see if there's a piece of work that would interest you in western comics, which is totally fine since you prefer manga anyway, but it's just disingenuous to then act as if you have a solid understanding of what the western market is even really like.It probably doesn't help that western comics are quite niche compared to manga, and therefore any research into what is good is more out of the way than basically any other medium. Goof movies and games you basically just hear about, but comics and books you have to actively choose to look up unless they become very mainstream (like Scott Pilgrim did, for example).>with quirk chungus scribbled indie garbage about sex and mental illness making up the next 20%This also doesn't help, with the little attention given to the indie scene always being more about virtue signalling than the actual quality of the content. The amount of shitty indie comics I've read about asian people feeling uncomfortable in a white country is too many (one is too many, honestly).It's similar in the indie games scene, but games have good word of mouth, whereas comics clearly do not.
>>7898226>You simply don't want to go through the same effort you would for any other piece of media to see if there's a piece of work that would interest you in western comics, which is totally fine since you prefer manga anyway, but it's just disingenuous to then act as if you have a solid understanding of what the western market is even really like.It's like what you're saying is reasonable up to a point, and then you interject this bullshit for no reason. Why do you feel the need to make assumptions about my motives, anon? I'm telling you what my experience is like.With manga/anime, you can just exist and hear about something cool. Happened with Dungeon Meshi, happened with Monster (more like Midster, but still). I just turned on Netflix one day and was like, "Oh, there's that Dungeon Meshi series everyone was raving about - let's try it. Then, "Oh this ain't half bad." Then, "Oh, my library has the complete series? Well let's fucking go." Done deal.I can't even think of a similar experience happening with a western IP, ever. It simply does not happen, can't happen by design. We don't adapt our small comics into animation in a big way, we don't push originality in this culture, especially not in the drawn arts. I think it also explains why our "adult" cartoons are a sham and a joke - we see animation as cheap kiddie shit, so obviously adult animation MUST be constant penis and vagina jokes and scat humor.Just an embarrassing culture outside of the absolute best products of Hollywood. Well, at least we got that.
>>7898231You're so fucking retarded it's embarrassing
>>7898236No, the problem is you just won't listen to what I am literally telling you, you'd rather seethe at how unpopular your crap is. Which, again, is the American comics industry in a nutshell. Insular, sensitive, cornered, boring, fuddy-duddy.Everyone understands if you try very hard, you can find the good in the bad. And literally no one cares to do that, when you can accidentally walk into some good manga. Be excellent or perish.
>>7898238Thanks for the (you) retard.
>>7898239I'm just glad I got you to reveal your true colors. Stay irrelevant!
>>7898241Thanks for another (you) retard.
>>7898231I think you're talking about the topic entirely from the perspective of someone who's immersed in one cultural echo chamber and doesn't really dip their toes in another... I don't really hear anything about manga or anime unless I come to 4chan. I just don't hang around people who consume them. True enough I don't really hear word of mouth about normal comics either, unless it's some of my gen X friends reminiscing about something that was relevant 40 years ago.
>>7898242I didn't decide that you win anything by getting a reply from me. I'll punish you as much as you like, since you clearly feel compelled to defend your slop to the bitter end. Keep replying to me.
>>7898244Thanks for yet another (you) retard.
>>7898231>It's like what you're saying is reasonable up to a point, and then you interject this bullshit for no reason. Why do you feel the need to make assumptions about my motives, anon? I'm telling you what my experience is like.I think you're inferring more from those words, and getting offended by those interpretations, than what I intended. I simply meant that you can't claim to have a broad view of the western comics scene since you're neither partaking in it, or doing any research into it. I didn't claim that you had motives or agendas, anon.As for the rest of what you said, the remainder of my post actually neatly covers that.>>7898238This was also mostly neatly covered in that post too.>And literally no one cares to do that, when you can accidentally walk into some good manga.For a long time, westerners thought anime and manga were shit. Were they right, simply because they had those preconceptions? Of course not.>>7898236>>7898239Not me. But have another couple of free (you)s. You hooked him, lol.
>>7898243>echo chamberI mean it's everywhere. I don't even choose to see it, and a good half of it just annoys me. Remember the Frieren meme? I didn't even like or participate in it, but lie to me and tell me you don't know exactly what I'm talking about right now. You can't not hear about current anime and manga you simply use regular internet spaces used by people your age.Meanwhile no one gives a fuck about the crap this other idiot is posting, and he thinks getting mad at me about that will change anything. I've seen Sam & Max, that's it, I don't know what the other thing is at all.It's not even a question of whether it's good, it's a question of exposure and interest levels. And you can't get some people to understand that. It doesn't matter if your shit is good, if it doesn't exist to the public, it doesn't exist. Americans only care about Supaman and Batz. Just the cold hard truth.
>>7898249>Not me. But have another couple of free (you)s. You hooked him, lol.Thanks. It's easy to spot dunning kruger retards.
>>7898249Bruce Timm has a cool style but he's also literally another cape artist. I am so fucking fed up with capeshit. I'm green with the sickness of it all.
>>7898250>I mean it's everywhere. I don't even choose to see it, and a good half of it just annoys me. You may not choose it, but you may be, consciously or otherwise, choosing the people and communities around you which skews what you see.>Remember the Frieren meme?I literally have no idea what you're talking about.
>>7898196>>7898193>>7898226>>7898231>>7898238western comics are honestly better than manga. I usually hate the artwork in manga its an awful style. Look at small strips like bringing up father, krazy katstuff or bigger stuff like carl barks, walt kelly, moebius, winsor mccay, jack davis and much more, they were all one million times better than whatever manga is
>>7898256You never saw this, or one of its thousands of variants? Not even here? Were you an internet fast during that time or something?Shit pissed me off, but again, unless you're an actual boomer or you use the internet for business only, I don't see how you avoided it.
>>7898260Oh, I've seen the picture, I just didn't know what it was called or what it was referring to.>use the internet for business onlyNot far from hitting home, I try to avoid social media and "communities" like discord as much as I can.
>>7898257Mangos contemporaries during their time were mangos at their best. Now? A far cry, even the long-lived ones from that era.
>>7898262Some beg drew a bad picture of currently popular anime character Frieren (a midget elf), and it blew up, so yeah that's what the reference is. That's the level of virality typical of popular anime and is really what I'm talking about. It can be almost annoyingly popular at times.The show itself is just ok, kinda entertaining and brainless.
>>7898255It's actually a pretty cool little short comic about two sicko sadists in love, not capeshit at all.It's a shame, I'd love more Bruce Timm comics that weren't about superheroes - or at all, as his superhero work is the little I do like.
>>7898196Wouldn't you have a skewed view since you see all the slop the American market produces while we mostly get the Manga that's been pretested in the Japanese market?
>>7898266Well maybe I'll read it, if it's short. I have that exact image saved already, funnily enough. Game recognize game and all that. I watched Batman TAS, Justice League, JL: Unlimited, all that. Just tired of spandex at this point, not to belabor the point.
>>7898158Honestly might be better than faceless digital submissions, you can see the Indian walking up to the desk.
>>7898195>I can't recall seeing an actual critical comment for an art piece in a long long time.The internet nowadays is all full of crabs and ladder pullers, and people who give legit criticism get dismissed and give up. It's also why IC is so dead, no sense of community, just vitriol and sabotage
>>7898195>I can't recall seeing an actual critical comment for an art piece in a long long time.Because it's taboo. It's unsolicited advice, if the person asks for a critique people are happy to give, if not you're kind of just trying to make yourself feel smart and justifying it as helping someone.
>>7898435>It's also why IC is so deadI see this said so often, but compared to other boards, it seems to do quite alright. I'd hardly call the board dead, or even all that slow.Maybe modern social media has made you guys have unreasonable expectations?... Or maybe I just have low standards, haha.>>7898454>It's unsolicited advice, if the person asks for a critique people are happy to give, if not you're kind of just trying to make yourself feel smart and justifying itIt used to be considered the standard, and that all comment sections under art would be full of critique. I think the 'unsolicited advice' bullshit just caught on, and scared people off from making such comments in the comment section anymore.If you're posting on an art site, where people are going to talk about art and your submitted hard, you have solicited such advice.It also doesn't help that artists these days are such touchy feely faggots, that the idea of upsetting the other person (with their criticisms) is far too much on an emotional burden for the to go through with it.
>>7898472>compared to other boards, it seems to do quite alrightall the big boards go crazy fast, with threads barely lasting a day, let alone weeks or months like in here.it also feels like more people actually interact with their hobbies and make threads for actually doing stuff together. On IC anything outside the usual 3 generals is just howies, eceleb drama, shilling, or making fun of begs. And if anyone dares to make challenge threads, "let's go through this book together", or other fun projects, they dry up and die pretty quickly. There aren't even humor threads on the catalog because nothing fun has happened here in ages.
>>7898193In terms of sheer output, comics are atleast 75% superheroes, and in terms of dollar sales, it's 99%. They are the entire industry, everything else is just weeds on the side of the road, they wouldn't exist without superheroes holding the whole industry up.To casually dismiss superheroes with "there's more to comics than capeshit" is to dismiss the entire industry. It's not a defence of the comic industry at all but rather throws it under the bus.And as for those non superhero comics... well, frankly, none of them are very good, nobody wants to read this shit.
>>7898257You not liking manga and liking comics instead is an extremely rare opinion, shared by less than 1% of people. For this reason, it is worthless as advice for what people should draw or admire, because generally speaking, people want to make things that more than 1% of people like.
The fact is that people like manga, and anime being basically the same subject just a different medium, because it's entertaining.But this? pic relatedNobody wants to read this shit, it's boring. You give this to a kid alongside Naruto or something, what do you think they're gonna read?
>>7898506Or to go with the sea faring and pirates theme, One Piece
>>7898506>You give this to a kid alongside Naruto or something, what do you think they're gonna read?Nemesis the Warlock?
There's heaps upon heaps of weird psuedo-intellectual preachy rubbish that people come out of the woodworks to recommend like>"oh you just don't get it, appreciating real art takes effort, you need to have a high IQ to get it, it's way better than that manga Naruto shit"Yeah but nobody wants to read this. It's boring, it's lame.
>>7898511Oh that's another thingI'll admit, this is pretty cool looking... but come on man, this is almost half a century old, what are you doing?An 8 year old would probably like this because it is cool, but the moment they hit highschool, they would avoid this like the plague because it's very noticeably dated.It's not a good look when prompted for "show me something cool" and you have to go back to the 1980's to find a single example. That suggests that nothing of worth has been produced in the past 40-50 years
>>7898515When people recommend people get into anime, they don't start recommending Saint Seiya. They recommend Chainsaw Man or Demon Slayer, something current. And every year going back to the dawn of anime, there has been a worthy current anime to recommend.But when I go to comic threads, they're still recommending the same old titles. Batman Year One, Kingdom Come, Watchmen, they even recommend shit from the 1940's. Nobody wanted to read this shit, come on people.
>>7898515>It's not a good look when prompted for "show me something cool" and you have to go back to the 1980's to find a single example.Where else should we go? Nothing of worth has been produced since then. But hey, we can change that.
>>7898192>which is a thing that didn't used to happenthat is most certainly a thing that used to happen
>>7898231>We don't adapt our small comics into animation in a big waythese cape comics but both Invincible and The Boys are/were huge.
It's important to use current examples of something to argue that is it good.There's no point in arguing that the Greeks make good architecture just because they did so 2000 years ago.The past is dead and gone, what are they making now?
>>7898506Me, I grew up with Tintin, Asterix, Corto Maltese, Lucky Luke, and Spirou. I still think they are great comics.The thing with manga is that it's like crack cocaine. It's all over the top and insane with bombastic action that overloads your dopamine receptors. Even when it's not an action story, they never do subtletly, so western stuff by comparison always feels tame. But I'd argue western comics do a better job of a sense of progress, discovery, and adventure. Even the better manga like One Piece that people love to praise for the worldbuilding are always just a series of action set pieces with the characters jumping between them.Capeshit I agree is garbage though, they suck at both casual exposition and exciting action.
>>7898067this is why I despise artist, neither be called by one, it sickens me
>>7898257/co/pe
>>7898495>comics are atleast 75% superheroes, and in terms of dollar sales, it's 99%.As far as I'm aware, that hasn't been the case for some time, and they are doing quite terrible... UNTIL DC's Absolute line came along anyway, which seems to be doing quite well, and has put DC in front of marvel and is keeping them well afloat - but I have no information on sales at this point so I can't really guess anything besides a little speculation.Anyway, before Absolute, children's comics, independents, and comic adaptions (the other) were making up a bigger portion of comic sales.Of course Manga is the biggest portion of comic sales, which I assume you were separating from regular comics, which I think is dumb because manga are just foreign comics. Are Tintin and other gay European works not comics?>>7898506>You give this to a kid alongside Naruto or something, what do you think they're gonna read?Depends on the kid's tastes. By your standard, superhero comics should still be king, because on the face of it, they're the least 'boring'.I also think you're simplifying what kids like too much, because sure they like actions, but when we look at a lot of the works kids like the most, a lot of it isn't action heavy or contains any action at all. Children have more diverse taste than you think.Also, isn't Tintin and Carto Maltese about adventurers doing adventurer shit? Just by the covers alone, it really does look like a lot of those comics would actually fair better against naruto than you think.
>>7898642>"I like the artstyle of western comics more! :D">"T-t-that's cope!"The state of discourse on here, I swear.
>>7898642you probably don't know the artists i listed dumb nigger
>>7898642TRVTH NVKE
>>7898664SHUT UP BOY, YOUR MANGA IS NOTHING!!!
>>7898821That didn't happen five days ago... that was six years ago... good grief.
>>7898829I think several individual titles outsell the entire comics industry now.It's not that manga is so big, but that comics is so small
Even if there were some good western comics, I really don’t give a shit, because they’re fucking dead. I see zero reason to invest time into an ip if I already know that it turns to shit and dies at some point. And now that goes for every type of western entertainment simultaneously. It’s like staying alive despite knowing that nothing will ever improve and that everything will get worse. There is no vitality.
Western comics suck. Manga sucks. You'd all crawl into a fetal position and cry if you were forced to consume media that wasn't made for children.
>>7899228read moebius and you'll realise western comics is better
>>7899235>just go all the way back to the 1960's to find a single good comic broSelf own
>>7899244Be real, are there any "good" modern mangas?How old is Crying Freeman by now?
>>7899245Perhaps you will bold enough to claim that these are shit, but you will be a clown to do so.
>>7899247How could I? I haven't read any of them.
>>7899247Look at all that shit
>>7899247The anon you're responding to is claiming all the good manga is in the past, meanwhile your image is made mostly of manga that seem to be roughly 20 years old, if not vastly more so.Also, a good few are anime first and foremost (or other mediums), rather than manga.So you're not really helping your case here, despite me disagreeing with the person you're replying to.
>>7899259Correction: I didn't claim anything. I asked a question.I am, at least, casually interested in the answer, even if I'm unlikely to actually read anything suggested.
>>7899259I haven't made a collage of only current decade anime, but this pretty much covers all anime made after the 60's, while he is tacitly admitting there is no comic made after the 60's worth reading.But look, I'm not interested in this pedantic line of arguing, the point is that comics have foolishly pigeon holed themselves into one genre, superheroes. Everything is woefully neglected, and frankly the superhero stuff isn't very good even when it's at its best.Look again at this collage >>7899247 and consider how in every one of them there is an exciting and novel world to explore, characters that feel alive. People cherish these stories, they influence people's entire lives. And it's distinctly modern. Moebius is undoubtedly highly influential... but he belongs in a museum, he's archaic. And so much of comics is like this. Watchmen, which is arguably the greatest comic... it's big message of deconstructing superheroes is no longer relevant to readers. Nobody has lived through the era of saintlike one-dimensional superheroes anymore. It just doesn't mean anything to a modern audience anymore.And comics have remained stuck in the past in this way for their entire history. When Japan was making pic related, Marvel had just barely figured out that making Spider-Man's suit black appealed to modern audiences over the old campy blue and red. I can't remember what decade it was, I think the 80's, but there was a quote from some Japanese readers being shown western comics and they said>"this is like what we were making 20 years ago"
>>7899269A note on this "modern-ness"There was a point sometime around the 70's or 80's where the old world really faded away. Where people stopped buying mahogany tables with cabriole legs and started buying speaker systems.Star Wars, Rocky, Indiana Jones, and Terminator are many decades old... but they still feel modern, they don't feel dated in the same way that an old black and white film does. You could show them to a kid today and he'd think it's cool. Kids are repulsed by old things, but it's about the vibe moreso than the actual dating of something.Comics feel dated. This is a Superman page from the same decade as >>7899269Just compare the two, you can read the Ranma page as though it were released today, but this Superman page feels like it's from another universe.
>>7899270I don't know about kids but I like this page. The composition is solid and not trivially simple. I like the drawing of the helicopter. Men in suits are timeless, they don't age. It's out of context so I don't know what the story is, but there's actual dialogue and I get the sense there IS a story that's progressing.I wouldn't read this ever, since I detest capeshit, and Superman in particular, but there's nothing specifically bad on this page.The manga page just bewilders me. Tea-spoon darts? Is that a monkey in the background? Yeah. Yeah, there's a reason I don't read that shit.
>>7899270I forget the exact wording, but there's a quote from Jim Shooter that goes something like>"when I was a kid I read comics, but then as I grew up I forgot about them for many years, I returned to them after a decade and to disappointment I found they were still battling the same old foes, the stories were exactly the same, nothing had changed at all"In all other forms of entertainment, time moves on. The world of the 40's is unrecognizable to the 60's, which is further unrecognizable to the 80's.Once upon a time, comics were new and modern, they were the cool novel form of entertainment, like today's tiktok or whatever. But rather than keep up, they immediately fell behind. By the time they realised Rambo was cool and copped the style for themselves, it was already old hat and the new coolest thing was stuff like the Matrix.
>>7899274Ranma is a comedy, it has lots of silly stuff, it may not be to your taste but you cannot deny that it doesn't appear old fashioned.By comparisan, this is Osomatsukun, from the 60's... it's very noticeably dated and nobody wants to look at this today.
>>7899274I like suits... but suits are absolutely dated, particularly in that Superman picture, which features people wearing suits as regular wear not for any particular occasion, and a sweater vest too.The iconic look of someone appearing inconspicuous by wearing a suit and fedora like some old secret agent, when that was first done, that was inconspicuous, because that's what literally everyone else was wearing.Seeing that in a comic either an old one or a modern one, it looks old fashioned.If you show >>7899270 to literally anyone, the first thing that comes to mind is "oh this is an old comic page"but nobody looks at >>7899269 and thinks "oh this is an old manga page" Even though they are from the same time period
>>7899281To make an analogy to musiccomics feel like Rock Around the Clockhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgdufzXvjqwIt's a nice song... but the first thought that comes to anyone's mind is "this is old"And this vibe for comics persists all the way up to the 80's, and even when it does begin to change, it only changes in superficial ways like giving the characters edgier outfits, but they still remain fundamentally the same.Meanwhile manga has always been progressing forwards, and by the time it reaches the 80's, it's become Elton John https://youtu.be/ZHwVBirqD2s which everyone is still listening to today and doesn't feel old at all.
>>7899281>nobodyHello, I am nobody. I looked at that manga and could instantly recognize that it's older than me. I think you are just blinded by anime obsession, I don't know how can somebody fail to recognize the change in styles in both manga and anime.
>>7899269>comics have foolishly pigeon holed themselves into one genre, superheroes.>Watchmen, which is arguably the greatest comic.Can you name a non-superhero western comic, that you have read, that is less than ten years old? I don't mean to sound condescending, but to speak with such authority while seemingly only reading superhero comics...>Just compare the two, you can read the Ranma page as though it were released today, but this Superman page feels like it's from another universe.And this makes me question the amount of manga you read. That Ranma page feels dated as well, despite the far cleaner and clearer scan, and the fact you decided to show a fairly poor comparison for supes by having a fairly dirty, tilted, page with a bleed and printing dots visible. Did you not feel confident to show a page where the comparison could be completely fair?>>7899281>I like suits... but suits are absolutely dated, particularly in that Superman picture, which features people wearing suits as regular wear not for any particular occasion, and a sweater vest too.... oh you have to be fucking shitting me here.The page is dated because of... suits? Does that mean any historical themed and manga is dated because of the clothing of the characters within? C'mon now.>but nobody looks at >>7899269 and thinks "oh this is an old manga page" Even though they are from the same time periodI did, because it clearly has an older artistic style that has fallen out of fashion for manga. If a manga is using that style in modern times, it's usually because they which to gimmick such a style and give the feeling of an older comic/manga (which is different from old clothing, which is a setting thing, rather than a feeling thing).Removing the printing and colouring differences from the superman page, I would say that both feel as modern as the other, perhaps only dated by their art style, rather than layout.
>>7899285cont.>Kids are repulsed by old things, but it's about the vibe moreso than the actual dating of something.I'll agree and disagree with this. Kids love vintage stuff, and older things... HOWEVER, kids also will love something simply because it's new. Kids want something that defines their generation, that they can get behind and claim as theirs, and not their parents' or the previous generations'. I actually thing some of society problems today are caused by the lack of impactful cultural elements kids today have, what have they got to anchor themselves? But that's besides the point.
>>7899286>I actually thing some of society problems today are caused by the lack of impactful cultural elements kids today have, what have they got to anchor themselves?Roblox and Minecraft.
>>7899289>Roblox and Minecraft.Grim.
>>7898044Without a face-to-face, there's no chance to weed out the flakes and the mentally unstable.In response, studios cut their in-house positions and made everything contract work, so they're never stuck with one of these people long-term.We are all in a hell of our own creation.
>>789929622 year ago and 15 years ago... Not exactly something kids can claim as their own.
>>7899306No they fucking aren't, fuck you.
>>7898264I'm not sure what you're trying to prove with this meme. Are you choosing what to consume based on memes like this?Do you consume anything normies throw at you in the social medias?
>>7899317I ain't getting of your yard, old man!
>>7899325Gee, I don't know, can you read, retard? I said what I was trying to prove in the next sentence and in the comment chain. Let me copy paste it for you.>That's the level of virality typical of popular anime and is really what I'm talking about. It can be almost annoyingly popular at times.
>>7899235>>7899244Read Swingling Indies, Black Sad, Siegfried, The ogre gods, Freaks or Alone... Good BDs are still being made even if most end up being good looking slop or lose steam after 10 volumes, just like mangas.>>7899245>Crying freemanAged badly. But to answer your question; Blade of the immortal, Berserk, HxH, Takemitsuzamurai or Sunny are on top of my head. None of these are "recent" but they are modern. Good shit are still being made as far as euro comics or manga are concerned. It's just easier and safer to recommend old stuff because it already passed the test of Time.
>>7898231Please shut the fuck up
>>7898192Not surprising. Worked with art students in uni in a class collab once and 85% of them were /beg tier/ and their teacher was overly protective of them. The ones that weren't /beg/ were low /int/ at BEST with maybe 1 mid /int/.
>>7898249not the anon but how did you find that comic about the bunny and the dog. i just looked it up and fell in love with the art loli dont know whats hypnotic about the bunny's face
>>7898506corto maltse is great wtf
>>7899475https://archive.org/details/sam-max-surfin-the-highway-anniversary-editionGo nuts.
>>7899491Thanks a lot. I really like the panneling of these loltheres a problem in my local comic scene (latam country) where the artists always try to make the pages "dynamic" and end up being an unreadable mess
>>7899376Are you trying to get me to repeat myself or what?
>>7898108>you have to sell themselves to them backprofound
>>7898231You are absolutely right. The only caveat I would add is that American comics used to be good prior to the capeshit era really taking hold. Comics from the early-mid 20th century have a lot of the same strengths as manga (storyline progression, variety of genres, variety of styles, great pen and ink techniques, serialized in anthologies, etc.). This is mostly because they were somewhat of an evolution of the pen and ink illustration era of the late 1800s-early 1900s, and many of those illustrators were influenced by Japanese art themselves. In a way, the Japanese just carried the torch that the American comics industry inentionally snuffed out. American comics died when EC Comics died.
>>7898257This right here is the quintessential, eternal /co/tard: a stubborn, willfully ignorant, stick in the mud, terminally incurious, low functioning autistic who doesn't know jack dandy about manga or anime and absolutely refuses to engage with it at all yet still has a strong opinion about how bad it is.>whatever in the tarnation those weird crazy ol chinese gook cartoons areI mean really, you couldn't sound any more like an ignorantly opinionated boomer if you tried. Even the f/a/g(s) in this thread (including me) have more appreciation for western comics than you could muster for manga, even though we prefer manga in the end. I can even list a few western comics and artists among my favorites. Luther Strode, The Goon, Ultramega (even though the writing ended up being really bad), Zot!, Fables, Hellboy, The Incal, Invincible (I read the manga before the anime came out jsyk). I wouldn't dare denigrate any of the artists you listed either. Yet here you sit, with your great fat pig head, utterly dismissive of everything outside your little comfort bubble. Disgraceful.
>>7898052I looked it up and it's part of a comedy montage. The guy at the desk is some Rich Johnston guy who talks about the frustration of being a comic artist. He's the guy who runs Bleeding Cool and I can't find a single drawing of his.>>7898102>Yeah, how dare they enforce a house style, or quality control. They should hire you and just accept your bean mouths!LOL are you fucking high on drugs. They hire beanmouths and muh style all the time at big comic companies and they publish their unreadble shit. There haven't been quality standards or stylistic identity in burger comic book companies for decades now.When they hire an actually good artist they usually have him draw covers, and the interior art is fucking shitAnd I can't fucking believe capeshit comics still hire colorists. Are Americans so fucking braindead they need horrible bright colors everywhere
>>7899281are they gonna kiss
>>7900944>LOL are you fucking high on drugs.LOL are you fucking incapable of understanding subtext?An anon is complaining about the enforced housestyles of comic studios, the other anon is pointing out that not enforcing that housestyle is a loss of quality control. You're agreeing with the person you're arguing against. At best, you can say that some have already lost quality control, not that they're wrong.>And I can't fucking believe capeshit comics still hire colorists. Are Americans so fucking braindead they need horrible bright colors everywhereI'll agree with you here. The colours actually ruin the pencils and inks most of the time, and don't even look that good as a finished product, at least when compared to the b/w pages anyway. It makes their printing expensive, requires them to use a higher quality paper adding additional costs, for a product that feels inferior.Not to say there aren't good coloured comics, but colourists seem to go out of there way to add garish gradients and over render shit, as if to justify their wage.But I'd hardly say this is an indictment on americans' taste, since they're buying manga in droves, and not doing so with the capeshit.
>>7900944>>7901422I also agree they should stop hiring colorists.When comics looked like this, it was easy to just hire any idiot off the street to do the colors, it wasn't a skilled job.But nowadays colors are more complex, but the colorist is still unskilled and it ruins the art
>>7901427Like this, this coloring sucks, it makes everyone look like they're covered in soot
>>7901429Let's not pretend the art doesn't suck too.I can see the 3D models straight through it.
>>7901450I'm not sure about the 3d model theory, but the linework is subpar for what's usually in a superhero comic, or any western comic (because say what you will about western comics, the one thing they usually are pretty consistently good at, compared to eastern comics, is their inking).The lines even look heavily pixelated and crunchy, and I don't think that's artifacting from the image upload.The linework looks like it would could have been drawn with the default brush in fucking drawpile.
>>7901429>>7901450>>7901499it's weird, it does look 3d, but like very shitty 3d.although i don't think it is 3d.but i still wonder what makes it look like it.
>>7899281looks like ai
>>7898475You can go to other boards and see threads that have been up for years, so I think /ic/ is doing alright.>There aren't even humor threads on the catalogThe humour threads all sucked balls anyway, and mostly consisted of /pol/tards submitting a constant stream of tranny shit. Funny things happen on here, but as the site was designed to do, those things mostly disappear with their threads. I found all the moai posting funny, but that mostly stopped a year or two ago.>nothing fun has happened here in ages.The Drawing is supposed to be the fun part. The one thing I can criticise this board for is that everyone is more interested in talking about drawing then actually drawing. If you create an interesting draw thread, you're guaranteed to have a bunch of anons whinging about it, and some acting as (probably facetiously) if it's a means of getting free commissions, killing the thread in the cradle.
>>7901429Man what the fuck is wrong with cape artists' brains? How do you draw a girl like this and feel okay with yourself? I have literally gotten depressed for fucking up a face, and this is just a regular day for them.Stop drawing so much fucking facial anatomy, it makes your characters look butt ugly.
>>7901583In Bakuman, the artist occasionally draws faces ugly whenever the characters are behaving unseemly, as a joke.And his idea of "ugly" just happens to be exactly how western artists draw their faces, the bold outlines around the lips, the pronounced philtrum and nasolabial folds, the line of the alar groove of the nose, the jutting chin, and smaller eyes
>>7901670Meanwhile, why does this drawing exist?Yes I know a light from below makes a character look ugly, but you're drawing a woman here and women should always be beautiful, that's their whole reason for existing in a comic. Drawing them ugly is like drawing a muscular character from an awkward angle that makes look look not-muscular, it's a bad idea.Even if the lighting is coming from below, you should bend and break the rules to fit your purpose and that purpose should be making them look beautiful in all situations. They must just be stupid.
>>7901429>steal his money>leave him without funds knowing he is wanted by mafia bosses>donate to jewish charities that launder moneya woman has written this story
>>7901301it really looks that way doesn't it
>>7898495>posts kino Have you even read these comics? Cerebus is easy top 5 stories ever told
>>7902348Cerebus is literally mentally sick
>>7902349Sorry you got filtered
>>7902348>>7902350I heard it goes to total shit at the end, is that right? I can't stand crappy endings, they ruin the entire work for me, and make the entire thing feel like a waste of time.Speaking of Cerebus, I'm reminded of Elf Quest, which I really should read some time.
>>7902376>shitlib redditors told me the ending was shit so it must be shit!
>>7902348
>>7902386kino
This devolved into yet another east vs. west bullshit thread but let's be honest, Western comics are dead. I'm so fucking tired of people bringing up Cerebus and Moebius or whatever peak Batman shit delusional capeshitters think is good. Batman is shit, you think it's good because you're retarded. Sandman is shit, too. They're all shit except Bone and Usagi Yojimbo, maybe a few others. They're bad. You will not enjoy reading them. Most people who post pages unironically and aren't Indian shitspammers probably never have and never will.It occurred to me when I read the Incal, the masterpiece. It's shit. Moebius was a god tier artist but the comics from that time are shit. Now all the Western artists who were worth something or pioneered the medium are dead or went insane, and the new ones can't draw or they can draw sometimes but the comics are still shit. Capeshit didn't get much worse simply because it was already total shit from the beginning. Superdog exists as a character unironically in Superman, if you like capeshit you are officially a mongoloid. If you are trying to say Kirby and Buscema were good artists, you will stlll not enjoy Kirby Marvelshit. Because it's shit made for children, actual retarded 5 year old children, not 30 year old salarymen who wank to anime tiddies when they come back from the wagie cagie. Thanks to those salraymen, even the dumbest shonenslop, no, even isekai is better than the top Western shit published back then. Any "Graphic novel" is infinitely more pretentious than the I'm 14 and this is deep cringe in seinen.Technically, while Western comics died, manga have perfected the medium. It makes no sense to learn comics from anything but manga. Even now in its current dying slop state, manga is miles better than the total fucking shitheap we've got in the West, where every story is about politics and gender or it's just the zombified carcass from 80 years ago.These are FACTS. Manga doesn't win cause there's nothing to win against.
>>7897966>No I need more animays, do you like animay? I love animay and I need someone who can draw like animay you know
>>7902663From a business point of view, Shueisha bought out Viz and have been expanding all over the west. You can find officially licensed manga in every book store chain and even some supermarkets. But you know where they're not? Comic book stores. It's obvious that Shueisha took one look at comic book stores and decided that there was no money to be made selling manga there. Even as comic books stores today that sell unlicensed manga it makes up the majority of their sales figures.
>>7902663>Place >:(>Place, Japan :DYour post, shortened to two lines.
>>7902808If manga were German you'd be replying with>Place >:(>Place, Germany :DIf manga were British you'd reply with>Place >:(>Place, Britain :DWhen will you realize that it being Japanese is irrelevant.People don't read manga because it's Japanese, they read it because it's good.
>>7902813If manga were from either of those places, you would be glazing that country non-stop, and I would be replying similarly. So yeah, you're right.My response wasn't predicated on it being from japan, it was predicated on how much of a blatantly biased dipshit you are.
>>7902815You're missing the point. Nobody who talks about manga is praising Japan, they're praising manga. It being from Japan is unimportant, if anything it's a negative because it makes getting ahold of it a pain and most complaints they have of manga are of cultural differences that can't be surpassed such as obscure references or senses of humour
>>7902830And yet it's only japanese comics, despite you're feigning of the cultural differences as a negative, that you're rimming the shit off of. There's an entire world of comics out there, but ONLY place japan hits your sweet spot? And you're telling me it has nothing to do with Japan?I don't care if you fell in love with manga or anime first, and then japan, or if it was the other way round, it's a chicken and egg situation. It doesn't change the fact that you're a weeb with a retardly biased view that should shut up.
>>7902836Yeah and all those comics are shit, while everything from Japan is good.Ask yourself, did you know Pokemon was from Japan when you first watched it? Or Yugioh, or Hello Kitty, or Dragonball Z? These things were the hottest shit ever and nobody knew or care where they came from.
>>7902838>No no, I'm not a place japan faggot>Yeah and all those comics are shit, while everything from Japan is good.Dude, seriously...Also, how do you think place japan retards, such as yourself, are formed? They fall in love with manga and anime, learn where it comes from, and become obsessed with that place, japan.Your argument is shit anyway, a lot of people watch movies with no care for who the director or actors are, but there are still massive fans of those people and their bodies of work. Does the existence of one negate the existence of the other? Of course not. Get your head out of your place, japan ass and realise there are those who differing opinions and taste than yours that enjoy things that are made outside of japan.
>>7902838I knew pokemon was from japan because I wasn't fucking 5 years old... and I only watched it ironically.
>>7902840I didn't say movies were shit, movies are very good. Comics are shit, and nobody is reading them, because they are shit.
>>7902844>I didn't say movies were shitIt was an analogy, place japan retard.
>>7902377>You are le redditorCool response, my guy. Actually, I've heard it from several places, most memorably from Rich Evan's of Red Letter Media at some point.
>>7902663OP here, what can I say, you're right. In 30 years I've seen how anime has won over young people, and it hasn't changed much in our beginnings as artists because we watched it on TV, even more so in Latin America (I'm from Argentina). Our generation started with Evangelion and Dragon Ball (two pinnacles), and the 2000s were the boom of the new generation. The good thing about manga is that they create thousands of stories with everyday things; they're like soap operas for grandmothers, designed for a young, reading audience. The same thing happened in Europe, but with science fiction or historical themes, with spectacularly detailed drawings, while in North America it was always the dynamic panning. I recently went to a comic history exhibit, and holy crap, there were two extremes: on one hand, old boomer stuff, and on the other, youthful crap fanzines made with toilet paper. And guess what sold more? The old stuff, because publishers know that repeating what's safe works and not risking mediocrity.
>>7897966Always missing out on gems...
>>7898495American Splendour is great, the Hernandez are great at drawing tits and ass.One stylised rack by a Hernandez is worth more than the entire collection of Marvel DC comics from 2006 onwards
>>7902348>>7902948Yeah but why would anyone ever read one of those other one of these
>>7902951>Heh, why would you partake in one thing, over another thing?What a retarded question.And what if they've read all those comics in your picrel? Do they then have your permission to read American Splendour or Love & Rockets?
>>7902961Perhaps a better question is one directed to the creators of these comicsWhy are they wasting their time making this avant garde shit?It'd be fine if there was already a wealth of popular comics on par with >>7902951 but there's not. Shit like this >>7898495 is all there is
>>7902970Maybe their target audience just isn't autistic man children like you?There's enough capeshit for you if anything too adult scares you.
>>7902976Their target audience is nobody.Nobody reads this shit
>>7902970>Just make what's popular!I thought this was the art board, not the shill board. I recently heard about game devs talking about how everyone should be making 'friend slop' games, ala Peak or REPO, and you sound just like them.And do you think manga authors were trying to make a 'popular' comic when they made a comic about cooking, or hiking, or a comic about making comics? They were just making what they wanted to make. You want people to make isekai, the popular manga slop, that's your shitty mindset.And you don't even have to dig deep to find more accessible stories that aren't 'avent harde shit'.Hellboy? Beneath The Trees where Nobody Sees? I Hate Fairyland?But nah, surely the comic industry is made up of nothing but gay art house shit, right retard?>>7902984>Their target audience is nobody.He says about some of the most successful and critically acclaimed comics. Just say you don't know anything about comics besides jap ones and move on.
>>7902990>And do you think manga authors were trying to make a 'popular' comic when they made a comic about cookingNot him but cooking books sell like hot cakes and manga is also popular so manga about cooking sounds like an idea that would be very easily greenlighted by some ghoulish corporate board lol
>>7902997There's plenty of them now, but no ghoulish board would have greenlighted such a thing before it was made popular by a trail blazer or two.Was it Food Wars or that Isekai Bar/restaurant manga that did it? I'm sure there's probably earlier works of that type. Either way, there's many similar works now.My point is that following the trends and 'what's popular' generally doesn't create great work, it can to some extent (like how Naruto and One Piece were heavily inspired by Dragon Ball and were trying to recreate that), but it can often lead to disaster, like we're seeing with the overly safe and crumbling capeshit market, or with isekai.There's also plenty of great western work out there, and also being made, but to sit on a high horse when you ONLY read manga and have no idea what the market is actually like outside of manga makes you look like a pretentious moron.Manga is great and easily accessible in many different ways, no one here denies that, but the manga snobs get on my nerves. They're just like the morons who simplify manga and anime into nothing more than harems, lolis, and over the top hair, because yes those things exist and make a large part of the manga market but it'd be unfair to paint the entirety of anime/manga as that... just like it'd be unfair to paint all western comics as capeshit and avant garde shit.
>>7902663The west, outside of the few indies (even us tards here count as those indies), is culturally dead. It has been regressing the past two decades, all it's entertainment industries are dead, whenever something good appears is because someone outside of the industry did something. You cannot be a good artist in the west and have any connection with it's entertainment industry, whenever someone gets big and gets bought by the big names, they die.
>>7899286They were touting Kpop demon hunters as gen alpha's cultural thing. Poor kids.
Do you think I'll ever be good enough to become a pro?
>>7903304>whenever someone gets big and gets bought by the big names, they die.True, but it's not just entertainment companies. There's no honour among business men these days. We often hear employers talk about how there's no employee loyalty anymore, whilst they proceed to make redundant and off-shore as many jobs as possible, the lack of employee loyalty comes from the lack of employer loyalty.Likewise, these lack of morals also show in how they treat any business bought - they immediately start downsizing it, even if it was quite successful and profitable beforehand, because they're sure they can cut costs and want more profit IMMEDIATELY. There's no thought given to the human being, no thought given to the role the business should be playing their community (local, national and international), all they think about is the $$$.We are numbers on a spreadsheet to them, ones that they want to reduce.There's no honour among thieves, and there's no honour among CEOs.This is probably why Valve is held in such high regard by everyone. They treat their employees well, they treat their customers well, they try to deliver nothing but high quality products, and it's probably all because they remained privately owned, rather than being bought up by corporate swine and their dullard investors.
>>7901671>your purpose and that purpose should be making them look beautiful in all situations.I don't think your hot character has to look hot at all times, but that aside, while that image isn't the most flattering, I can still tell she's meant to be a pretty woman. It's fine in the context of being a singular panel, whereas you're treating it as if it's meant to be the cover of the fucking comic.The image your 3 posts are responding to is just a poorly drawn/rendered comic. Look at the dudes mouth on panel 3. Bleh!
>>7902386Dave Sim always used to stare daggers at me when I'd move the stack of Cerebus books at Carry On Comics to get to the EC reprints. I like his work though!
>>7903544wonder if he ever banged the hot goth chick that used to work there?
>>7903544>Carry Onno of course that was Lookin For Heroes.
>>7903547>Lookin For HeroesI actually forget the name now but it was the best comic shop in K/W
>>7898506Not mentioning thorgal is a sin
