>>7899864moai thread where did you go when we needed you
>invest millions of trillions on the snake oil technology>people immediate point out fake videos and fake artIt's snake oil but lets be honest, Normies don't give a shit.
>>7899927>Normies don't give a shit.I suspect they care more than people realise. Think about it, why do all the ai grifters pretend to be human artists?
>>7899929Because AI art is worthless on it's own. But it's foolish to think that normies care or that normies can tell the difference to begin with. If you don't believe me just go to a con, it's full of AI garbage.
>>7899927>>7899929>>7899929
>>7899931>Because AI art is worthless on it's own. But it's foolish to think that normies careThese two things can't be true at the same time.Either normies don't care, and will just gobble up the slopOr they do care, and therefore generated slop is deemed worthless by them.Given that AI proompters pretend to be the artist, it's clear which of the two is true, and which is false.>>7899932Cool, now I have some new arguments against the inhuman, and against AI too!
>>7899864Did you argue with someone again anon?
>>7899931>If you don't believe me just go to a con, it's full of AI garbage.you mean the ones where they bully the grifters until they get banned?
>>7899932both are mimics that deserve to be whacked with swords before interacting just in case
>>7899949What's with the black-and-white thinking? It's pretty clear normans do value generated pictures in some contexts, and not in others. It has value to them, it's just not something they would knowingly hang on their walls (maaaybe).But I was at chain furniture store over the weekend, and boy, was there a lot of overpriced crap prints. Some of it was almost certainly generated, and it was being sold at quite the markup. Bad taste abounds and has always abounded, AI just fills a niche kitsch & Kinkade.I see plenty of boomers using AI pictures on Faceberg. And let's be honest, most of us have chuckled at a surreal cat video here and there. Do not assume normans have any standards in the arts. Or maybe a better formulation is: always assume normans have worse standards than previously thought possible.
Normies don't spent money on art so it doesn't matter. The big spenders are rich fucks who don't mind blowing 3k per drawing on their favorite artist that they have built a parasocial relationship with.
>>7900028Normans do buy the products your employers make.
>>7899927Most of the normies I know are vocally annoyed by AI being inserted into everything, i.e. search results, storefronts, ect.
>>7900028trvth nvkethe people who are most upset have the same lack of soul and contempt for their audience as the corpos who would replace them with third worlders or fill space with crappy AI imagesartists that strive for excellency in making what they want get real fans that willingly give chunks of their paycheck to them to keep the art flow going
I agree. this board could use more anti-ai sentiment.
>>7899932This has to be the most stupid comparison I've ever seen kek.
>>7899927>snake oilBut it does exactly what it says on the tin?
>>7899864is this art?
>>7899932anon why are AIfags trying to logroll their shit with transfags. I doubt you niggas know why Asimov’s laws is a thing first thought up for robotics but you rather see Elon put chips in monkey brains to fryThe places that immediately put a tag to remove AI exist for a reason for how much shit needs to be filtered
>>7900471>But it does exactly what it says on the tin?Make our lives better by enriching the entirety of society? Ha!We're never going to have a post-scarcity society, because of morons with no standards or expectations.Work forever, never moving up the ladder.Now eat your slop generations, anon.
>>7900600I was thinking "generate images from text", but I see you're talking in the broader sense of AI. As far as that's concerned, it still essentially does what it's supposed to, meaning simulate human intelligence to perform complex tasks, but what you use that for is a whole other question.
>>7900525>Asimov’s lawsA big part of the 3 laws is that they don't work. Even today a human is always responsible because actions performed based on the output of an AI are the responsibility of the person using it.>>7900600>Make our lives better by enriching the entirety of society?I am seeing more people develop taste as they become aware of just how bland and uninspired corporate-run entertainment/leisure media is.I see more people being made aware of just how many scammers there are, and aware of how many people around them are absolute buffoons who just were good at kowtowing to local customs.AI is just one thing helping to reveal that many of the various societies across the globe were being led by emperors that had no clothes. This is, long term, very very good. It stands to be useful (as again just one thing among others) in helping people realize that a lot of old customs and ways of approaching the world were either lies, or simply do not work when you can communicate with all four corners of the globe in realtime, instantly and clearly.
>>7900741ok anon but AIfags basically want to give the AI human reading their logic for the "appeal to nature" shit.
>>7900768>anon has a stroke mid-post and yet finishing filling out the captcha instead of going to the hospital
>>7900774>and yet finishing>mfw I made a spelling mistake while pointing out how another anon's post is incomprehensible
>Guys, is this thread AI-free? I can't engage further if it has AI in it...
>>7900776happens to the best of us I'm afraid
>>7899864Is this shit ai? https://x.com/clipstudiopaint/status/2033829106161520967?s=20
>>7899932It is completely logical that both arguments criticize the same thing; in both cases they imitate nature, but AI is at least useful for speeding up repetitive and complex work, while transsexuals are useless and, in addition, they ask for social assistance and rape minors.
>>7900010Why are Americans obsessed with firefighters? Is it because their country is on fire all the time?
>>7900741>Autistics>Resistance to peer pressure and propagandaI understand "resistance" does not automatically imply "resistant", but cmon now.
>>7900908In the US, any time EMS are called they typically send all 3 - police, firefighters, ambulance - just prioritizing which for the specifics.Firefighters handle things like potential gas leaks, rescue operations, and have usually got a high number with EMT training too.Most American firefighters are volunteers, though there are places with paid fire departments too.>Is it because their country is on fire all the time?One thing a British colleague of mine noticed when he came to the US on a trip once, was how many American homes are made of wood. From what he told me, in Britain and Europe generally, there is a lot more stone and concrete construction.Besides that, since its founding several US cities have experienced massive, devastating fires - most often originating from human error, like linseed oil rags in furniture factories or chemical mishandling. California additionally has tons of wildfires.What you should be asking is: Why do Europeans in general treat truck drivers like shit?Why does Italy treat artists like shit?
>>7900919Autists have a high rate of ignoring established pecking orders/authorities, and just in general being fairly blind to the social status markers normies are always responding to.There is also a trend of taking things literally, being very "mean what you say and say what you mean" that comes across as blunt or naiive.Combine these two and you get someone who resists the kind of peer pressure that works on normies. They still can succumb to poor choices if there are reasoned arguments for the action, but generally their connection to the type of "belonging" that normies love is so thin that simple arguments of "don't you want to do what everyone else is doing?" make no sense.
>>7900926i hate to be the tard that randomly brings up transexualism into this (already offtopic) little slapfight you guys are having, but practically every tranny being an autist kind of blows this line of thinking out of the water because:it's legitimately easy to pressure autists into taking HRT under the guise that they're actually girls and that the way they feel left out from social standards is because of their feminine brain causing a mismatch of their behavior of that of a boy (objectively propaganda)
>>7900934Did you miss where I said>They still can succumb to poor choices if there are reasoned arguments for the actionThat is not simple peer pressure, usually the Tism -> Trans shit involves dressing things up in medical language and using charts and so on. It snags autists in the same ways that they get caught up reading wikipedia entries about the uses of ammonia.They are resistant to propaganda that targets normies specifically. But logical arguments rooted in sketchy information are what led some into using identity labeling like a statline on a trading card.
>>7900937Wanna make a bet on it?State your guidelines and basic rules on what works on "normies" but not on "autists", write it out on in detail and don't skimp on it, and I'll use your rules (as long as they aren't complete bullshit) to convince TWO autists with documentation from start to finish.
I don't think about ai at all and you shouldn't either
>>7900946>Ways to convince normiesYou would have to gaslight someone via making it seem advantageous in the social hierarchies they exist in. Explicitly avoiding detailed explanation when sharing soundbytes of authority figures that do not go too deep. Presenting otherwise unrelated things from high status trans people, as long as evidence of their status such as association with institutions and other powerful people is clearly evident.Should be like the amount of detail in how the morning news, promoted instagram reels, or normie-targetted tiktok videos present things in shallow, rapid fire ways.I do not know if you as an individual can do this. Normies are not all unified - a normie from the middle of London vs Salt Lake City vs Hong Kong will have very very strong differences in what they recognize as "high status" - but they are very much, almost comically sensitive to social status markers from their ingroups + conformity pressures. You can convince a normie that a military or political action is good or bad not with reasoned evidence from first principles and taking into account primary sources as evidence, but by simply showing them a clip of a figure that they think has high status saying his or her opinion on it.And to bring it back around to art... This also works with convincing normies that a piece of art has high value. Most of it is in putting up a facade of high-status luxury. Autists (and enthusiasts, who might to a degree exhibit mild versions of the traits that autism is an extreme form of) are less convinced by status alone as marketing and moreso look for other markers. Like if it appears to remind them of their other interests. Normies liked Thomas Kinkade art because it was a way to emulate rich people, it was the Rolex to the elite's De Bethunes - "real" paintings. Expensive, but affordable on credit. Autists who liked Kinkade enjoyed it via being reminded of grandma's Christmas decorations or the colors were calming to their minds.
You're sounding more and more like digital vegans.
I'm acustic and you all sound like fucking retards to me.
I always assume normalniggers love all the things I hate and hate all the things I love, because that's how it is. So I hate AI and I think it's shit and it's ruining everything and of course normies love it and love using it and love seeing it and can't get enough of it. It's always been like this. Normies are my enemies, always have been, always will be.
>>7901270Same, but I call them redditors and I look like the giga chad meme
>normies love AiThey love to outsource their thinking to chatgpt but that's it. Products that use Ai aren't flying off the shelves because of Ai.Don't mistake disinterest for approval.
Even my normalfag friends say that they are tired of sloppa
as an artist anti AI has been a gold mine. lots of normies suddenly feel the need to buy "organic", human made stuff.I expected the exact opposite, to be quite desu.
I'm surprised no one mentioned that Nvidia's dlss 5 controversy.If the general public are so cool with AI, why is everyone hating on and dunking on that ugly looking shit.Gamers should be the people coolest with AI, since they're not artists, and nor are they probably playing to appreciate the visuals, and yet they seem quite displeased with Nvidia's pitch.
>>7901502it hiked up GPU prices which were cheap not to long ago.
>>7901502You have to realise that the world is split into 3 groups. AntiAI, proAI and people who dont give a shit. There is 10x antiAI people as proAI people, but there are 10x dont give a shit AI people as antiAI people.
>>7901502/ic/ isn’t a video game board. A lot of people just don’t care about the same things you do. Most people lose interest in gaming early in life.I’d be surprised if any consumer group didn’t view AI as a sign of lower quality.
I saw a vid where some guy said that lab made diamonds would not tank the diamond market, but people would rather buy real organic diamonds, and he turned out to be right.It's the same with AI, with pornography and content creators, too.Too much slop just gave people fatigue.With the world becoming more fake and commercialized as it goes, people want real organic shit.If AI was so hecking epic and awesomecoolerino it wouldn't be pushed in every industry like political propaganda, which not coincidentally; anyone not in full favor of AI gets branded as "luddite" or "hating sex" i mean hating "progress".During the war if you weren't fully against jew's existence, you were branded a sympathizer or a jew. I was there so i know.
>>7899864stunning and brave. same people trace and photobash all day long
>>7901590>but there are 10x dont give a shit AI people as antiAI people.I disagree. I think these people may not think of AI, but if you specifically asked them what their opinion is, they'd probably lean more towards negative.People have opinions on basically everything, it'd be silly that they have zero opinions on AI.>>7901607>/ic/ isn’t a video game board. A lot of people just don’t care about the same things you do. Most people lose interest in gaming early in life.No, that's a hard disagree from me. That's like saying reading or watching films is a hobby you lose interest in as you become an adult. Most 'gamers' continue gaming throughout their life, because it's just another piece of media, another form of entertainment. Just a quick lookup of the average gamer age gave me this:>The average age of a gamer worldwide is 41 years old, with the U.S. average being 36 years.Though be a little skeptical, as that's an AI summary, and we all know how reliable those are.>I’d be surprised if any consumer group didn’t view AI as a sign of lower quality.As I said with the guy above, I agree with this.
>>7901614>With the world becoming more fake and commercialized as it goes, people want real organic shit.I agree with this but I also think that AI is fine. I mean, I'm a bit of an accelerationist in some ways, but I also think that the good AI art will stand out. And that people who find it useful to use AI in their workflow(s) should do so if it's worth it to them.>>7901502>>7901590>>7901736This is probably because it looks like ass and seems to just emphasize how shitty mass media corporations are. No problem here, it just makes the divide between games-as-art and games-as-product way more obvious.
>>7901614>With the world becoming more fake and commercialized as it goes, people want real organic shit.Sure, but how are they supposed to find it in an ocean of AI slop and piss?People who don't care about AI are people who already established a fanbase. They already made it and don't have to worry.But if you are unknown, then AI makes it even harder to get noticed.
>>7901742Yeah the DLSS5 example doesn't make sense, cuz it simply looks bad, doesn't matter whether you like AI or not. A better example would be if it actually looked good, and yet people rejected it because of it's AI nature. (which seems unlikely to me)
>>7901742>This is probably because it looks like ass>Yeah the DLSS5 example doesn't make sense, cuz it simply looks bad, doesn't matter whether you like AI or not.To me it looks like the same overly shiny look that most AI generation have, but most agree that AI images and videos are now 'passable'. Looking at singular stills, they look... fine... So I don't agree with the 'it looks bad' argument.Most seem to hate it because it seems to change the art and designs of the original games, like the "yassified" RE9 character, on top of all the other baggage AI has. so to >>7901855, to me it seems you got your wish, and people DO hate it mostly for the nature of it.
STOP RESISTINGhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Pov0MKuyJfg
>>7899932wtf I hate AI now
>>7901891>Looking at singular stills, they look... fine...It's when they start moving iwhen the actual stuff of nightmares begins.
>>7901748>But if you are unknown, then AI makes it even harder to get noticed.Completely false. AI slop is in the same places as big media/AAA slop. You aren't in those spaces, it's actually braindead stupid to try to make it in those places, because you'd have to be making soulless trash to get anywhere in them to begin with.>>7901891>Most seem to hate it because it seems to change the art and designs of the original gamesThis means it looks bad. People dislike badly done HD updates/patches/re-releases for games for the same reason. RE3R and the 3DS remakes of the N64 zelda games have the botched aesthetic choices as big critiques.>most agree that AI images and videos are now 'passable'DLSS5 is not producing the same results as the kind of AI art that looks "passable". That statement from what I have seen is mostly regarding it for REALISTIC videos and such. Like the goofy edits of epstein's cell being broken into, or the fake security camera videos of cats doing loud activities at midnight.And even beyond that, a lot of people don't WANT the same results there in their videogames, they do not want it to feel like a live action movie.
>>7901891Nah, I got nothing against AI, but DLSS5 looks bad and it has issues with temporal coherency, it's simply a bad implementation of the tech.
>>7901502>if people are so cool with AIPeople are already disliking AI but because all these AI companies hiking up GPU prices, RAM prices, storage prices and even cooler prices, new laptops now will come with 8GB RAM, phone prices are up, fake AI video flooding xitter ever since the ME conflict. No doubt everyone is starting to point to AI as the root cause of everything turning to shit
>>7901748If you are unknown, AI or not, it doesn't really make a difference in that regard.You have to be aware how big the internet really is; and if anything, aislop just shat and pissed more in the neverending ocean of feces.Those who want the organic shit, will seek it out, not wait until they are randomly exposed by it through any kind of trend or algorithm.Normies don't commission art; it's always the same relatively handful of people buying art services.Social media numbers also do not mean anything at all now since it's 80% bots anyway, with the rest being just other people who want money and numbers or the typical guy who just follows and likes every single thing.People keep memeing about normies not caring about AI slop, but most do not even know what AI image generated pictures are for the most art, and anyone who knows what it is, doesn't like it.What i would recommend as of the current state is to wait it out until the AI trend and market/bubble completely implodes and companies finally stop pushing AI once they finally stop listening to investors who also invested in AI companies.Also, it depends on what kind of art you do:If you do anime titties floating in the void, maybe you should rethink your approach to an extremely volatile and oversaturated niche with the lowest quality consumers that was mostly the first to get fucked by AIslop by the consumers themselves.
>>7902037Also more and more people are realizing that 99% of AI is just bad. We spend trillions of dollars buying up all RAM and GPUs so that they could build werehouses that double local electricity prices, sometimes make the water dirty and the reward for all of this is people eventually losing jobs and fake videos being posted online by fake accounts operated by chatbots. The 1% that everyone agrees is good is the guy vibecoding cancer cure for his dog, but that is just 1% of AI research and miniscule amount of AI usage.
>>7902045>that guy curing his dog's cancer with AIIF that's even true and not just a marketing stunt to appeal to normies' emotions.If you could cure cancer with AI, the pharma industry would have instantly obliterated any AI research.
>>7902037>He thinks this is because of AIIf your understanding of the economy is so hollow you will be poor for life.
>>7902038do you think this will increase the demand for physical artwork?
>>7902127No, but neither did digital impact demand for physical art in any way.You can still pursue legit jobs like graphic design and concept art physically, but having a scanner helps a lot.
>Got Demoralized by AI shills>Quit drawing>Start prompting>Looks good but never does exactly what I want>Get bored of everything looking similar>Been out the drawing game for years now>Can't draw anymoreI only have myself to blame
>>7902186You can join the proomptracer route. But be careful. If you ever get popular you must absolutely be very good in certain parts like drawing hands because another AI tracer got caught simply because people suspect they're a tracefag as their anatomy is good but their hands/feet is bad. And if you seemed to improve too quickly. Best luck of you.
>>7902069>If you could cure cancer with AI, the pharma industry would have instantly obliterated any AI research.You can't prompt away the cancer, so you still need to pay big pharma to make your medicine, unfortunately.I don't think people here mind 'AI', and it's uses in cases like medicine, it's more so 'generative AI' that upsets people.
>>7900525>>7900741Asimov's Laws is a work fiction and isn't realIt's easier to enslave a human than it is to enslave AI.Except AI isn't real too, its also fiction, what we have are LLMs.
>>7902630LLMs are AI.
The art industry of the 2010s onward was spiritually AI coded so the fact that we actually have AI now doesn't make a difference except that it devalues this lowest common denominator so maybe it's actually for the best. At the same time, the work of the most talented may not seem as impressive on a technical level if we are to assume AI will be as ubiquitous of a tool as any art software is today
>>7902636That's like saying a die with a roll table is AI
>>7902742Well a die with a roll table wouldn't be considered AI, but LLMs are.
>>7902742Die roll isn't LLMsLLM isn't really AI. It's just a form of neural network / statistical model specific for human language. You can create different models like voice, music, images, video, 3d models, etc. None of these are actually AI but you get investor money if you use that term
>>7902742LLM's are really bad at randomness actually.You might get better results if you ask the AI to generate a roll table and then rolling on that, but usually AI ideas are really boring so you would be better off making the table yourself.
>>7902742If that dice could write books, summarize text and do high complexity math then yes, it would be AI
>>7900902go to /b/ and you'll see that most of the generated AI slop spammed there is virtual CSAM. there really isnt much difference between troons and sloppers
>>7903045>Do high complex mathThat's a Wolfram's calculator. LLMs could only predict a solution based off existing ones assuming it has one close enough to the training data or it'll then just make it up. That's why earlier GPT models are terrible at math because training LLM for math is like trying to memorize math. The way they do it nowadays is with a reasoning model (that's trained off of prompts and tries to guess what the actual detailed prompt should be before being sent to the actual LLM model). If it detects its a math related question, pull out a calculator or anything similar and then return back the output.
you have to be so bad at drawing to think a program can replace you.remenber when people say that the camera was going to replace painted portriats or that cinema was going to kill threater forever?and there are dumbassess that bring up the "but is hurting da nature chud" like using their shitty social media isn't doing damage to it already
>>7903257>camera was going to replace painted portraitsthe camera killed off the careers of people like JC Leyendecker, and any future generations of skilled commercial illustrators like Leyendecker/Rockwell etc never came to be because of the reality of technologies replacing illustrators (that weren't doing stuff like fantasy/sci-fi)
>>7903257the only people that actually care are lowest common denominator "$50 cropped torso commissions! xddd" that they made bank on back in covid era only to suddenly find themselves with very little in the way of clients because no one wants their overpriced trash anymore.actual established artists don't give a fuck other than not particularly wanting to see someone feed their stuff into a machine and spit out things that vaguely look like they drew it(which is understandable).
>>7899864hating ai won't make you good at art
>>7903341It's still the right thing to do.
>>7903263Photographs in newspapers and magazines were already common by Layendeckers time. The big difference was printing techniques, but I also suspect a cultural difference - people just liked art a bit more then, and a Layendecker cover was more eye catching than a coloured photograph to the average person back then.I don't know what caused the shift in tastes, or if there really has been a shift, it's likely just cheaper to have a photographer than an illustrator make a cover.If that's the case, then it really isn't photography or AI that's an enemy to anyone, it's the ever cheaper penny-pinching boss.But this is all my suspicions of course, hard to say if it's true if no magazine is really taking the effort to do nothing but high quality illustrations for covers anymore (outside of comics and other niche subject).
>>7903344Content is a good word for this since the purpose is to fill hard drives at maximum velocity
>>7903344>art categories exist>your oppressing ust.AIfag or perhaps they prefer being apart of the 40%
>>7903344You can always use sloppa as a part of your process if one finds them useful but to equate (You) the one prooompting as doing actual work is like those 0.1x engineers thinking they're somehow now a 100x engineer because their vibe coding agents churn 100k lines of codes a week. """AI Artists""" are the equivalent of these 0.1x programmers. Everything seems magical if they've never had to struggle to produce anything
>>7903344only thing anon are AI biggest glazers found on reddit or Twitter, because I still would like their dogshit posts be kept to a minimum
