Something about being a good artist makes you a terrible instructorThere are thousands of books on drawing and not one is actually good at explaining anything
>>7902067maybe you are just retardedmuch more likely than thousands of books being wrong
>>7902067>Bait scum board bumpingLiterally a wealth of information to draw upon from pretty decent artists. Most of the shit you can torrent or share nowadays. There's enough good books out there on drawing and painting alone that you can then easily transfer over to digital or just do traditional. Most faggots don't wanna sit and read a book, let alone a how-to book and do the exercises and do the work in said books.
you are a retard
>>7902067A lot of artists make for bad teachers because most adult artists who were ahead of their peers during childhood more than likely had undiagnosed OCD/autism/dyslexia/dyscalculia. That's why a lot of artists also make for poor writers.
>>7902067i agree with OP, being good at something doesn't necessarily mean you are also good at teaching
Fundamentally, good drawing is good observation. I've read a few books over the years, but I don't think there was a single book that taught me anything I couldn't have got from reading Wikipedia and just looking at life more attentively.The problem is you can't get beginners either to believe it is really that simple, or to understand how to do it. Seems to be something you either "get," or don't.
proko helps?
Reading /ic/ over the years has given me an insight on why people keep saying self-teaching doesn't work. I guess for large swathes of people it really doesn't, though it was never a problem to me. It takes an ability to self-reflect and strategize that some people just don't have. Those people don't need a better book, they need a teacher who holds their hand and shows them which part of the book they're supposed to pay attention to, and how to interpret it.
>>7902067The books are right but it takes like 5 years of constant drawing to believe them
>>7902067I've spent thousands of hours on this board and I still draw like shit. I probably would've been better if I hung out on reddit.
>>7902073anon is a baiter, but he speaks the truth. obviously, there's tons of good resources out there for people who want to learn the fundamental techniques of drawing, or more advanced studies. but if you ask any artist who has "made it" how they got there from total beg levels, they won't have an answer to that. they will probably say "just draw", but they can't really pinpoint the moment where everything started to click and their drawings started looking passable.>>7902114points out that it's all about training your eyes to truly "see" the small details and deliberate choices of art, but my advice is to just not get complacent and intentionally force yourself to draw things that you don't know how to draw well. that's how you become a well-rounded artist, which is a lot better than an idiot-savant who can draw a horse really well but literally nothing else.
>>7902155>they need a teacher who holds their hand and shows them which part of the book they're supposed to pay attention to, and how to interpret it.And to be given a free ride to such classes in a short bus.I don't disagree that some simply don't have the discipline, or perhaps overthink lessons, to make best use of books or home courses, but to claim those materials are actually bad is brain dead and shows a lack of awareness.Imagine claiming a cook book, one that all the top chefs praise and say they often use as reference for their recipes, was shit and had bad recipes because you yourself couldn't work out out to measure or source ingredients correctly. That's what we're frequently dealing with when it comes to people such as OP.
>>7902067Good artists are usually not teachers. The teachers are often the failed artists who can't make money with art.A real manga artist for example doesn't even have the time to teach. They have to draw their chapters.
>>7902067First, in my opinion, a book hardly can't substitute a teacher in front of you.Second, knowing a subject, and knowing how to teach the same subject, are 2 different skills. A good artist can be a bad teacher.
>>7902067It's because once you become skilled enough, unless you've made an active structured effort to teach others throughout that time, your understanding is so far removed from that of a beginner's that your statements carry a deep wealth of implications and assumptions in knowledge and skill. So even a simple statement that a beginner thinks they understand can be misleading. If you want a good example, it's like writing down the exact steps to creating a peanut butter sandwich. It's a lot more difficult than you'd think because you make a lot of implications and assumptions about how you'd do this that someone who has never made one before would have no idea what to do with.
>>7902219>There are thousands of books on drawing and not one is actually good at explaining anythingI'll agree with your second point, but absolutely disagree with OP's quoted above statement. Just because they're two different skills doesn't mean there is a single artist out there with both skills, and not one of them has happened to write a book.Also, if those books were so shit at teaching, why are there so many artists who recommend particular books because they learned from them, shouldn't that imply that those books are indeed written by someone with some communication/teaching ability?But nah, if you personally didn't find the book useful, it must mean that no one found the book useful, and that everyone is actually lying.
That's your experience, if we look otherwise we can find a LOT of artists that took great inspiration on the fundamentals of Loomis and shit. They work for the most.
>>7902067those who can, do, those who cant, teach is a saying for a reason
>There are thousands of books on drawing and not one is actually good at explaining anythingGenetics and talent wins again and remains undefeated
>>7902297He looks constipated in that photo. ER was an expression of profound discomfort and despair.
The problem is more that the vast majority of resources recommended to beginners are actually aimed at the sort of "beginners" who find drawing intuitive and have a decade of experience, but are only just now taking it seriously. Someone who is hoping for guidance on how to make their first drawing ever is going to have a really bad time trying to get anything out of those resources.
>>7902067there's two entire worlds of art. the mechanics of drawing and then the soul/appeal. You can teach someone the mechanics and how to draw correctly, but it won't be good unless you put your soul into it. You can also draw appealing things that look bad, and you can't get better mechanically because you are unable to study effectively.
>>7902067It's because art is fundamentally the transfer of an idea from the mind to paper. Considering everyone's minds work differently, the method they develop to transfer those ideas will be different, too. It's why "just draw" truly is the best advice you can give, as only you can really discover the particular method that best facilitates the transfer of ideas from your particular mind to the medium you've chosen.
imo people who have finalised their path as an artist (good artists) are not as good as people who have not decided but are knowledgeable. there are many strategies that you may be cognitively aware of when improving that you may forget when more experienced, like a forest trail that gets covered over time. it is possible to get a non-drawer to draw exceptionally without any commitment most likely.
>>7905605>Someone who is hoping for guidance on how to make their first drawing everI mean people like this shouldn't even exist outside of preschool age so I can hardly blame the authors. I guess some countries' educational systems have just utterly failed.
