I enrolled in art school earlier in the year in hopes that I can improve my practice. My instructors are great, but during critiques I can tell they’re holding back. Students have cried over the slightest criticism so now everyone is too soft on each other. Hardly anyone participated in my last crit too. Where can I share my work to have it critiqued?
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>>7902421i'm sorry to tell you this anon but they think you're a serial killer. also these aren't sculptures, they're more akin to a collage.
These look amazing
I do not like the subject matter buthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3p_VuPIS2c
This one I made the weekend I had a miscarriage
imma be strait with you.sort yer psyche first. u have skills but so far yer propagatin demonic satanic fucken disgusting imagery.focus on whats beautyfull.
>>7902455That’s the goal actually, to make something beautiful. The first sculpture is an exception because it’s supposed to be representative of the end times (specifically the after the third trumpet). I don’t want to make edgy satanic shit.
i would focus on enhancing your clay sculpturing (or whatever material you use) as well as your painting skills. i would say those are good fundamentals you have and dropping the habit of incorporating metal trash or furniture into them will only enhance your art imo. not to say there arent people who cant pull it off, but the way you do it right now reminds me of a failed art and crafts project rather than a professional artists work. for example the pre-built little houses you incorporate into your sculptures have an antirely different scale and detailing level than the humanoid sculptures, which ends up looking tacky and not really thought through at all. like the demonic themes, reminds me of medieval depictions of hell and satan. i dont like the abortion/clinic type stuff, id say most people dont care about that stuff either unless theyre some uber leftist woke university circle. look into the japanese kaiju sculpting/ modelmaking scene (maybe gundam or mecha too, since they work with plastic bits and pieces), theyre much more broadly experienced with it than people in the west. all in all i like your work but i really hope you find the energy to improve some core skills like aforementioned claymodeling or painting instead of resting on your laurels and becoming a facebook mom selling her stuff on marketplace to boomers.
>>7902465Thank you for your feedback! I really needed to hear this. I will say I can do better when it comes to sculpting with clay (of course there is always room for improvement) but the issue primarily is time. Here are some of my older works that I think better display my sculpting/painting skills. The ones I’ve shared thus far were all made in under a week, hence the rushed look. I certainly feel like I’ve become too reliant on found objects but I’m trying to change that as well. I’ll definitely look into those Japanese scenes. It’s funny you mentioned how much more experienced they are than people in the west, I had a similar conversation the other day when comparing Japanese art schools (specifically NUA Communication design) to the top art colleges in the US and their skills are simply unmatched.(PS - I wasn’t trying to make a sculpture about abortions, I had a miscarriage that week and it just felt natural to make my work about that. I otherwise agree with your statements).
very disturbing
>>7902421Dope
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>>7902421It's not art school if it's not approved by art renewal center
>>7902421hurry up and finish with school and focus on finding a career niche with your artwork. revisit the basics on a regular basis, to become a better artist and to get rid of any bad or lazy habits.good luck.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Pov0MKuyJfg
It looks like you're having an idea of what it should look like but are forced to settle because you couldn't find the right toys or trinkets, maybe consider getting a 3D printer or convince the school to buy a few of them for the class.I'd also try having a larger value range in the paints or fuck with the lighting, like having a dim orange to sell the rape cannibal's basement aesthetic or use a diffuser to negate most shadows and make the forms look weird.
>>7902421>>7902453please take some low quality compressed pictures of these in like a dirty dark room
>>7902421technique wise it's /beg/ tier, so spend a half decade to a decade drawing and sculpting, but the concept is interesting if you're a youngster.
>>7902426>>7902427>>7902428>>7902438>>7902453>>7902461>>7902489those cutout photos of real people did a horrible impression on what could have been a 9.5/10 art sculpture to methis is more of a serial killer's portfolio than an art exibit>>7902466>>7902444these are the only ones that stands out as the best overall
>>7902489Fit for a modern art expo! But what are your pronouns OP? If you can insert some feminism in there you're gonna make it
gonna say it, i fucking hate squizo people, i'ts like: "LOOK I'M A LOCO CRAZY LOOOK LOOOOOOK!!!!!"
This shit is creepy and weirdThe creepy weirdness acts as a crutch and the shockvalue covers up the amateurish nature of it. The subject matter is so offputting who would want to look at it long enough to notice what needs to be improved? Maybe try to create something beautiful instead of disturbing?I'm not saying there isn't a market for creepy weird shit. But do you genuinely want to be known as an artist who is a favourite of Jeffrey Epstein types? Bad vibes.
- its like art is an outlet for your mental health, thats fine, but not all art are products others want- there is spooky or disturbing or fucked up art out there but its also undeniably done with masterful skill. you have skill but like another anon said, what stands out is the shock value. yeah you can make a reasonable facsimile of the skin color a decaying pregnant womans body would have.. ok but im wondering just what your mental head space is doing to even try to get those colors believably right, and it cant be good if your posting on 4chan and having dead babies.- perhaps there is a target audience out there of mentally ill traumatised woman who see meanings beyond the shock value of your art, or fucked up people who cant see beyond the shock value of your art, but the skill level behind the art is not enough to elevate it to something that for me is worth anything other than a few moments of morbid curiosity
>>7902461>bottom right
Worshipper of the devil and ugly things.
>>7902924>>7902938That’s exactly what I’m trying to avoid and any feedback on how I can do that would be appreciated. I already make an effort to not include gore, harsh colors/blacks, or scenes depicting violence. I also like to include flowers and organic elements to add beauty to the work. I’ve mentioned this before but the first sculpture I posted is an exception since it’s supposed to be representative of the end times. What else looks creepy to you? The faces? I personally don’t find them disturbing, I really try to make them look pretty and human, but a little cartoony, sorta like a face you would remember from an old dream.
>>7903101Not at all. My first sculpture is based on the Book of Revelation. The goal is to make things that are more beautiful and fantastical, I’d like feedback on how to achieve that.
>>7902959I appreciate your feedback. I do want to point out that the only personal work here is the installation with the ultrasound photos, everything else is based on a specific prompt separate from myself (we’re actually encouraged to not make our sculptures about something personal). Shock value is something I’m really trying to avoid. I thought it helped to include the absurd cutouts, I find them silly. Would you say they only contribute to the shock value? As for posting on 4chan..I’ve received more helpful feedback from here than anywhere else. The anonymity helps, it’s active, and nobody holds back. People who know me/have seen what I look like are biased and tend to glaze. I want honesty.
>>7903144Go back to basics.Rotate these 2 subjects:1) the human form2) the natural worldI think maybe you're plagued with the "originality" bug that so many modern artists suffer from. It happens to us all. But the Bible is right where it says there is "nothing new under the sun". Master the basics first. There is no need to reinvent the wheel. The wheel is good. The wheel works. Nail the wheel. Then you can invent aircraft, space ships, inter-dimensional hell-hound driven carriages etc.Shit, just think how amazing classical sculpture can be with just basic portraits (human form). Or a realistic sculpted rose (natural world). Basic stuff. Also consider looking up encyclopedias of symbolism. A simple thing can have a deep meaning without vomiting it in the viewers face. You say you only enrolled in art school this year. You are a beginner. Start at the beginning. Walk first, then a gentle jog, then run.>What else looks creepy to you?Everything. They say peoples art is a reflection of their spiritual state and so maybe you just can't see what I see and we are on opposite ends of the spectrum. I'm not really qualified to say what you should change because I don't know you. But try and find some joy in life, your work looks very dark to me. Like... I unironically worry about people who produce such dark work. There is a magical element to art in my experience (they don't teach this at art school). Whether it is synchronicity or manifesting or angels and demons playing jokes. Be careful what you put out there. Some dark stuff is fine. But 100% I feel is risky business.I didn't mean to be so harsh in my first post but you did ask for it. I don't want to be all negative on you. Obviously you do have some creative talent, you just have to push it in the right direction, keep training that muscle. Your concepts are bold and with training and discipline I could see you being quite successful.
>>7903146I have a lot of critiques of your art but I sympathize with the struggle. I don't think you art is shocking, in part I'm burnt out on this stuff and so I understand that was not the intent. However, I have to agree that I do nonetheless find it revolting. Two part post:1. I am under the impression that your art is at least partially trying to express itself through symbolism or allusion to something not literally present in the work. I think this is almost always doomed to failure except in the most careful hands (maybe Dali or Duchamp, but they go so far beyond that the symbolism is never the central appeal of their work). The reason why I think this is the case is because most things in life are best understood at face value. If the action of the symbol on the viewer is not somehow carefully provoked they will only see the symbol as it is, not as a pointer to another idea. This is the main failing in your work. I do not feel any suggestion of a deeper idea or interpretation of your work by looking at it, beyond what I see. In your first image, I see a starved demon with rotting teeth bearing some ornate crown while a church points at its crotch. This is obviously unsettling in some basic sense. For the miscarriage work (sorry for your loss), I understand that miscarriage is some theme of the work but again, my thoughts are not pushed to some deeper insight or thought about miscarriage by the work. I am mostly struck by the decaying hulk of the mother, but more as some kind of monolithically negative entity than something more articulate or subtly expressive about the nature of miscarriage. While it's you that had the miscarriage, we are inclined to read art as freestanding expression, so the monolith of negativity remains without understanding its structure in your experience.
>>7903170This is a 1000iq post, listen
>>79032492. The art does not have the detail/precision of expression/craft needed to break the barrier of immersion or cause suspension of disbelief in the artificiality of the work. You really, really want to work hard on producing a greater sense of realism or some way to overcome the effect that the primary justification for viewing your work is to validate your role as an artist. The thing that really makes the Revelation/rotting-teeth demon piece unsettling is not that it's a demon, but that it clearly is a human-made sculpture of a demon that hasn't achieved full realization. When something is imperfectly produced it is somehow natural to read it as a product of enthusiasm; this does not bode well for when the subject matter is read as dark, because it contributes to a runaway impression of perversion on the behalf of the artist. While it can be said this is some kind of illogical flaw, art is not fundamentally abstract, it's a material object you interact with, so you as the artist need to overcome the barrier of detail, need to make your work captivating such that this effect is not produced. I think a good example of this is fantasy illustration, where the art had to be realistic to overcome the absurdity of its premise, in order to overcome the critical impulses of the viewer. Maybe this sounds like weak stuff indeed, but from another angle: learn the rules like a pro to break them like an artist, cit. Picasso.If you can make this thread, you probably know that no unjust optimism can prepare you for the bitter poverty and necessary debasement that awaits even a "academically successful" art school graduate. Never be complacent about your work and trust the judgment of another if you have greatness in your eyes. Goatspeed.And it's hard, to see into the nightWhen your eyes, are blinded by the light
First of all I don't know why people are pearl clutching and trying to psychoanalyze you. Is this reddit?I keep seeing this thread in the catalog and for some reason I feel compelled to comment even though my art/taste is nothing like this, so take the following for what ever it is worth to you.Reflexively, I don't like it. It's kinda gross to me. But it IS creative, maybe even interesting. I just personally never liked body horror, guts/gore, and disfigurement in art much. I am not a fan of Francis Bacon, you might imagine. I draw cartoons and fun stuff. But I like my own brand of weird shit and can be open minded enough about this type of thing to acknowledge it has a place in art.For some reason Szukalski comes to mind as sort of an ideal for this type of thing. I feel like he did weird, eclectic, highly personal sculptural "world art" but always kept it beautiful and exquisite.I guess what I'm saying is, if you really AREN'T trying to make such monstrous art, just keep that in mind. You can be weird and beautiful. If however the intention is ugliness and horror, if that is the goal, if it's even proximal to the ideal, disregard this I suck cocks.Frankly I think 99% of critique is not worth a damn anyway. If you believe in what you're doing, trust your gut. Nobody knows you better than yourself.
I think your sculptures are beautiful. I've always thought the props in Hannibal were great, so...
>>7902466the metal angel thing is my favourite thing youve posted. the rest of your work seems a little cliched, theres a whole lot of antique assemblage creepy-core artwork + short films with a very similar feel.the way you combine realism (articulated skin tones,ready made materials, etc) with vaguely stylized handmade sculpture can feel awkward at times. good scultpure has a sense of cohesion and deliberation, as if all the parts are 'of the same world'. if you aspire towards realism then you need to nail it. if you aspire towards stylization, then lean into it. if your work is suppose to look endearingly handmade, then dont try paint it like warhammer.
>>7903873>>7903144>creepy>I’m trying to avoid and any feedback on how I can do that would be appreciated.. if youre genuinely trying to avoid your work as being read as creepy / ugly you need to tone down the body horror>I already make an effort to not include gore, harsh colors/blacks, or scenes depicting violencealmost all your work contains mutilated body parts, demonic figures, vivisections and stark corpse-like skin tones???
>>7902421Like someone else, I would love all of them if it wasn't for the cutout photos, it's way too in the nose, they feel like you're begging me to associate your work to a socio political commentary instead of letting me infer that from your work on my own. So they convey nothing but insecurity about your own art.The rest is pretty damn good though, good job
>>7903878I'm probably reading too much into it and you probably put them because you simply thought they looked cool, but I still can't help but get that same feeling you get when you see a boomer comic
women will start making stuff like this if you don't socially engineer them into being into gosurori and menhera
THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR FEEDBACK. I’d reply individually but I feel I’ve overstayed, so if you’re annoyed at seeing this post in the catalog then don’t worry. This will be my last reply.This thread was really eye opening. I realize now that my main flaw is I’ve become too comfortable with mediocrity. There was a lot of good advice on what new materials or techniques I could incorporate too. I’m excited to return to school and work on my projects now that I know what exactly it is I need to do to improve. I really felt lost. I knew something was wrong, but the constructive criticism I’ve received has never been this in depth. Thanks again to those who took the time to give genuine feedback.
It’s going to be hard to let go of the cutout photos however. I thought they were amusing.
I can't give you any artistic critique since i just draw big anime tiddies but i always liked stuff like your work. It's uncanny, creppy and yet intresting.I would keep my eye on it f i saw it somewhere for sure. I was in art school for 2 years and my tutors were harsh af and i didn't actually get wtf they wanted me to do.I always just wanted to draw nice illutrations so i quit and learned by myself. Anyway you can contact some other successful artists that do this kind of art and ask them. Idk. Good luck.
>>7902421It looks like type of sculpture only Art institutions and Art school professors can genuinely love.
>>7904572This desu. Why not learn how to sculpt beauty instead of weird, viscerally off-putting shit? The world always needs more beauty, because it's mostly ugly.
>laughter stops
>>7902421Regardless of what anyone says you have a really cool, creepy and unique style OP>>7902637I second this
>>7902455sort yer spelling first
1/ It isn't creepy, it plays on cliches of what people take creepy or unsettling to be. If anything the problem is that the ideas represented by the sculptures are specifically not unsettling. Abortion, human/nonhuman mixtures, alien autopsies, Bosch like figures/Christian (Satanic) imagery, etc. have been well represented in whatever you take this emotional range to be, to the point where you'd have to be performative or old to really feel unsettled by this stuff. It fits very neatly into this genre.2/ The construction is rough or "rustic". It doesn't suggest mastery of the form and it looks like it belongs in a modern art exhibit at a museum. Especially in those venues, the impact is lessened even more. Maybe somewhat paradoxically this stuff reads as safe. (Like someone else said, it also reads as fit for schools/professors. I'd add that it looks like it's waiting to be graded.)3/ It's not clear to me that I can see your specific style yet. I see what the goal of such sculptures would have been in the late 20th century, but not now. That doesn't mean you should do some retarded self-conscious internet related thing but the distinct reaction I have to this is that it feels like I wants to be quite avant garde or modern while coming off as a mix of outmoded and pastiche.4/ If the goal is to unsettle and you're trying to represent primordial fears (or whatever), I think you should aim for a different style and subject.
>>7902421Well man Ill give you as real as I can give it, if your goal was hitting that 'horrors beyond comprehension' look, you've hit it dead center. Heck, Id even go as far and say you've excelled at it, its truly horrifying..which is great really. I dont think you were going for cute but to each their own if you were.Out of curiousity, what are they made of mostly? having dabbled in sculpture/mask making I can guess its a mixed medium. Its pretty good stuff, keep at it.
>>7902453damn hide hands can't draw feet even when sculptingyour shit is art school tier banal. you should apply to meowwolf
>>7902489this and all the pieces say "I can't sculpt" instead of "I chose to do it this way"
>>7904744Thank you! I use apoxie sculpt, foam clay, and paper mache (my own recipe consisting of drywall spackle, flour, and glue or fast mache/magic sculpt for larger stuff) for pretty much everything. Except the alien autopsy >>7902489 that one is made out of foam egg cartons and for the human face I carved plaster.
>>7904428you're doing good>>7904429just avoid doing this, putting real photographs of people kills all the art on your portfolio as it makes it look like a serial killer had a mind trip
>>7904751Well that piece was originally another student’s work that I found in the dumpster and I didn’t want to modify it too much. Here is what it looked like before I added my touch. Yes, my version is still flawed I’m fully aware of that. I didn’t exactly have time to refine it. But fun fact - I found it before I knew I was pregnant. I received my ultrasound photos the week of the project and once I saw that the hole looked identical to my picture I knew I had to use it.
>>7905111Did the same with this other student’s discarded work
>>7905115>>7905111>>7904429>>7904428I may be a sociopath but these make me laugh and happy. They seem so ironic and funny lmao. I don't know, they give me good vibes.
>>7902421>My instructors are great, but during critiques I can tell they’re holding back. Students have cried over the slightest criticism so now everyone is too soft on each other. Hardly anyone participated in my last crit too. common problem in some art schoolsyou need to tell your tutors/crit groups that you're seeking more pointed criticism. im assuming your school does 'blind readings' style crits, where people just tell you what the vibes reminds them of?it can be helpful to consider what you actually want from the crit, prepare points and questions you want the group to focus on and preface your presentation with them. if you still want a little blind reading, say "after __ minutes of blind reading I have some points i want prompts i want the group to focus". once theyve guessed what your work is aiming to do for a couple minutes, you may as well just tell them, then ask questions about the value / execution of those aims. if you truly want brutal feedback, let them know youre not hell-bent on your current trajectory and ask leading questions, eg: "is my work outdated? ugly? cliched? interesting? etc", "a favorite artist of mine is ___; what does their work have that mine is missing?", "whats the best and worst things about my work?"if youre really brave, take the harshest criticisms ITT and ask your tutors/crit groups if they agree.on a side note I think you need to more exposure to contemporary art. both for inspiration and a reminder of that the standards you should be aspiring towards. its easy to be complacent if your only measuring yourself against other art students. ask your tutors what the best local galleries are and start going to their openings. browsing contemporary art daily / art viewer / @ofluxoplatform is also good.
post u manko, nigga
Have you ever seen the masks by W T Benda?Their elegance and simplicity might be a good impulse to challenge yourself.Good luck with you future works
>>7902421gemmerald
