If you are a /beg/inner in art, please use this thread to post pieces for critique and advice.Focus on posted works — DO NOT REPLY to crabs, nodraws, talent debates or retards that whine about how hard drawing is!>STICKY:[NEW] Poisoned Gift Sticky: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jUeG8UTwDAK8WGC4f79IlBGIAGVipfHvo48RF5XgxycNew collaborative: https://hackmd.io/UMnZVhNITW-T2wZpHw6d0Qw/ic/i: https://sites.google.com/site/ourwici/Hardcore: https://hackmd.io/7k0XRnIQR6SValR77TDfZw?view>WHERE to get study materialsannas-archive.org>>>/ic/artbook>>>/ic/video>Want to practice figures?quickposes.comsketchdaily.netcharacterdesigns.comlovelifedrawing.composemy.artline-of-action.com>Post Your Work and give your feedbackWhat can be improved?Are there any resources videos or books you'd recommend to them?Maybe a redline or a technique, be specific.When receiving a critique, try to provide one in return>best art teachersGlenn VilppuMichael HamptonSteve HustonBrent EvistonMarco BucciAndrew LoomisGeorge BridgmanHikaru HayashiHide Sensei>best art booksKeys To DrawingDrawing With the Right Side of the BrainHow To Draw Comics the Marvel WayThe Art and Science of DrawingFramed PerspectiveFigure Drawing For All It's WorthThe Complete Guide to Drawing From LifePrevious thread: >>7899936 (OP)
>>7902643ahahahahahaha
whats this new discordfag sticky? seems forced
>>7902646erm where's the cool op pic??
>>7902654You may enjoy the free labor I have provided within the updated sticky.
Wip
>>7902283mb
>get an idea of something to draw>want to draw>open up program to draw>mind goes blank>have no idea what to drawWhy the fuck does this keep happening?
>>7902655Nobody asked for this. Not a single soul
>>7902666i got 400 emails about it. literally 400.
so is this sticky made by the retard who took 7 years to understand that copying is a valid form of learning how to draw despite being talked about in length by many artists
How do make characters appear as though they are touching or pressing against/into/away from each other/other objects without making it seem like they're floating?
>>7902604
>>7902646So do I have potential? Im selling this for a 100 bucks right now
I finally understand.It really is all about representing everything in three dimensions and in proper perspective.That's it.That's the secret.Every line we draw must be in respect to it's three dimensional orientation.I can't put it in to words very well but bros, this is the key, I seriously cannot stress enough how important this is.When I say every line and every shape, I literally mean EVERY line and EVERY shape MUST be drawn with respect to it's three dimensional shape and orientation within a/the three dimensional scene!
>>7902662Erm, why is she not naked?? Make her naked right now if you aren't gae
>>7902676
>>7902709wrist and forearm too thin, feet look misshapen and she has rather small hips compared to her shoulders and wide ribcage
>you stupid
>>7902710nah its awesome
>>7902713Its awesome what?
>didn’t make the op collage againDon’t mind me just gonna kms
We will raid xer Trooncord. Xe leaked xer self jewmail and trooncord tag. expect us.
>>7902716crit this
What is that trooncord server again? I am so tired of this shitttt?????
>>7902713you need to see an optometrist
>>7902730His eyes are are slightly misaligned and I think you could do more work defining his neck and ear more. I also think your shapes for the hair could be more defined and designed with small medium and large shapes
>>7902754english board you nigger
How do you draw diagonal boxes on a 2 point perspective grid? like a head looking up or down instead of just straight on. or maybe limbs or a body tilted.
>>7902763if it's tilted up or down it becomes 3 point. If it's tilted left or right the vanishing points move along the horizon line. There's youtube videos on how to calculate it all based off lens sizes
How do I fix it? Pls :')
>>7902776fix what
>>7902779Anatomy.
>>7902780yeah let me look at my anatomical diagrams for skull demons i bought for my biology classess and ill get back for you
>>7902781Thanks, I appreciate it.
>>7902662BLOG
>>7902646Never make new threads and please get banned
>>7902805rude
>>7902805i reported himi hope gets banned
>>7902646>>7902646>>7902646>can't draw>teaches others to draw
NEW!>>7899936>>7899936>>7899936
Can someone make a new thread with the old sticky and not this faggotty
>>7902829no one reads the OPthread wards over what's in the OP isn't worth the drama
>>7902829we need to wait till that appeal fag make a new thread or something. old thread is still usable.I don't wanna be near this permabeg autistic pedo spammer who want farm (You)s. This attention whore crashing out when xe gets no (You)s and does self replying to xer own posts just to trick us into believe this is something gemmy serious thing to debate (coaliest thing ever). Xer whole point is "just draw" don't works and instantly changes back to "You need to draw" which is direct contradiction to what xe saying.Xe thinks xer doing gemmy chad baits in reality xe no different from a regular normie spammer. Xer another claim is first thing beginner artist should do is force their mind to do drawings they will never ever enjoy would somehow make them like drawing. ( Spoilers: they quit in day one ). Xe trying poison beginner artist minds so they will stay in xer level forever and they always will wonder why they can't improve or enjoy and they also start doing the that faggy behavior of every guide have a logical failure that didn't discovered in last 300 years only them can see it. Xe includes to thisTLTR,>BOOHAA BOHAA"JUST DRAW" DONT WORKSSS READ THIS 50 PAGE ARRTICLE I WROTE AND WASTE YOUR TIMEE REEEit's really easy to spot autistic pedro trannies. best solution is do is ignore xer every reply. it will hurt xer more.--prediction-- xer going to self replies to xer own posts to prove people debating with xer and totally not someone else.
>>7902835>no one reads the OPyes they do
>>7902646
Getting faster I hope. Sketched up yesterday on lunch
lil warm up sketch
>>7902776Time to grind :D
>>7902802https://x.com/Kman4e4
>>7902655Thanks OP, good work. I downloaded it and will work through it.
>>7902926Damn you're only 20 and you're this good already, if you lock in you will become an art god. Good luck anon
How can i get better gesture feels and recognize 3d forms?
>>7902933what do you mean? you want to draw gesture that feel like 3d?
>>7902942I want the active moving feels and and want them to look 3d. Would be good if anyone gave advice. I am currently copying photos.
>>7902942Ah I also can't get the 3d feels myself. I can't imagine 3d objects correctly. They always get ultra warped or strange. Prob because of my mental illness.
>>7902944>>7902946stare at gesture drawings did by better artists. try to understand their decisions.
su25 inspired scifi craft
>>7902965cool stuff
>>7902829the new sticky is a correction of the old sticky and is a much better product. If you look to compare, you will see it for yourself and probably learn something.I had deactivated the old sticky because people were using it to justify reading and not drawing. The new sticky conveys the information directly without referring you to a thousand different destinations.
>>7902965Fucking saved. Cool as fuck.
>>7902975how about turn off (edit everyone) shit in this too?https://hackmd.io/UMnZVhNITW-T2wZpHw6d0Q
>>7902979im only the author and in charge of the big sticky which is now called the poisoned gift.But the other sticky is a good example of infodumping information that doesnt help.I'm hoping some begs try the exercises i made that are meant to increase conceptual intuitive understand of basic perspective.
>>7902982why is it called poisoned gift?
>>7902985Because I think that in giving people a good foundation to improve their art, I may be giving them the path to a house with no doors.I'm scared that everyone I've ever helped will actually stand to lose from being encouraged to draw.Art as a career is currently extremely difficult. I do not advocate trying to learn to draw.
do you >>7902982 have any idea who make this https://hackmd.io/UMnZVhNITW-T2wZpHw6d0Q guide? i like it more.
>>7902992what have you learnt from it that you think I should add in mine?I don't know who is in charge.
>>7902933¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>>7902994i like how it is begin
>>7903007yeah that Q&A is good too
>>7902962Thanks
>>7902991Kill yourself
>>7900141>>7900317>>7900971>>7901976blog????
>>7902767wouldn't a third perspective point make it look like is going away from your vision?
>>7903001Thank you!
>>7903024
>>7903024How did you find xer discord?
>>7902985Because it'll give you gay nigger aids if you open it.
>>7903024kys plss
>>7903024my reaction:
>>7903036Oh no, Lamarr, my theory is that he was gay, and he hanged himself with a nintendo cable cord.
>>7903024holy shit that discord server is a pedo hell
trying to follow along with david finch is hard
Good site where i could find 3d references for single body part only? Say, like torso/ribcage, pelvis, arm, stuff like thatRecently started drawing and and i keep drawing bodies based on general shapes and sometimes full bodies but i feel like i'd improve more if i drew more of the same body part in different perspectives, get a better understanding so to say
wtf did i miss
>>7903059sketchfab probably have anything model
>>7903064Thank you!
More anatomy practice today. I know the right arm is too big, but I can’t figure out what else is wrong?
>>7903072for starters blow away the eraser bits.
>>7902646What the fuck is this retard OP doing?
>>7903087Xe's trying to become the next pawell.
>>7902683>>7903001
>>7903088Who would ever want that?
>>7902991Holy fucking kek. I NEED to see your beg drawings.This is some high tier dunning kruger syndrome.
>>7903098If you want to make yourself notable and memorable but you have no skill or talent, one way to do that is to act like a schizo eccentric retard.
>>7902991either post art or kill yourself.
I was in the wrong thread like a jackass hm
Gymnastics bitches
I found this gem and i don’t know where else to share it. The best part is this person is probably serious
>>7903176Based shitposter
>>7903176not your personal army faggot
How long after you start drawing do you know if you have any talent for it I don’t want to waste my time with this shit.
>>79032134 drawings
>>7903213after 700 hours of drawing
Rough sketch>>7903213If you like drawing you should draw
>>7903213first week
What's with the new op? Where are the compilations
>>7903226New OP is a shill
>>7903228No u
>>7902646https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Vm4IJpq0Mbvb-Krl5_mJ_m6TsC_qjsaN/viewHere's the original sticky from the previous thread. Is this new one from the same guy from last thread going on about copying?
there's no thread for post this
I have finished the furry lady.
>>7903213If you had talent, you would have started drawing as a child, or at the latest in your teens
>>7903259That’s stupidly YOUR STUPID
Trying to render a shitpost
>>7903272Cute Kieran
trying to design an original character
>>7903281rape
Idk how to finish this
>>7903213Who honestly gives a shit about talent anymoreJust make stuff
>>7902931He's not good at all lmao. Besides that he's a douchebag.
>>7903438Kon-kon-konsultant. Very nice
>>7903439you can always trust a fox
i miss goated OP>>7903281cool>>7902911beatiful >3>>7902594cool shiiit
>>7903438dropped this:beautiful <3
>>7903434You sound mad jelly krustycrab, downunder is pretty chill desu. Here take a (you) and take a hike, you fucking loser.
>>7903438cute
>>7903461thanks you too wawaw
Does anyone have a good video on clothes and cloth folds?
>>7903479Don't got a video but Morpho's clothing folds book was pretty good imo
>>7903461cuteyou should draw one with pierced ears >>7903345nice>>7903450thank you!!!>>7903438cute
how shit is my attempt at copying
anybody else have a sketchbook that's like 99% lewd?I'm so gooned out it's unreal.
>>7903514My friend you're using digital. Just paste the drawing onto your canvas and drag your attempt over it
>>7903548Just paste the drawing onto your canvas and drag your attempt over itIt's even worse he's using Krita. He could've copied the image in the browser then press ctrl+Shift+R in Krita to paste in as a reference image- where he could've>freely move it around>lower the saturation>flip/rotate it>lower the opacityAll without using a layer in which he has so many of.
>>7903574He's a prebeg, no shit he probably barely knows how to use his tools right now.
>>7903577> he probably barely knows how to use his tools right now.Which is why I wrote that out in such detail. Nothing changes a behavior faster than embarrassment so I put that tone in it as well.
some light drawing>>7903581>Nothing changes a behavior faster than embarrassmentautism moment
>>7903581>Nothing changes a behavior faster than embarrassmentI hope you're not a parent....
New sticky? More like new stinky amirite guys?
>She got to wear her dress again
>>7903609omg is that my favorite comfort character shartclops?!?
:/
Failure causes immense amount of anger in me. I want to smash my head into the wall.Is that normal
this weekend I've had a meltdown over being unable to render my sexy animays and devolved into painting apples. save me
>>7903600That's more to peer pressure rather than parenting. It's tough for parents to wield embarrassment, usually it's the child who goes and embarrass the parent by acting out. Is this 4chan? This is the last place I thought I'd find sensitivity.
I wonder what should I fix about this?
>>7903647the anatomy
>>7903536mine is about 30%, my watercolor one 40, but if wasn't mostly doing digital stuff it'd be 70 or 90 if we count the studies of naked women.
>>7902646i am trying to learn to 'render' i guess. any tips ? i havent drawn in quite some time and this is how my first attempt is going so far i know i need to fix the face for sure, but im saving that process for the next draft
>>7903647The hip joint looks awkward, I would suggest selecting the leg and moving it closer to the body, edit as needed
>>7903647I used the liquify tool on it
>>7903696Much better ! Continue working hard :]
a smattering of pre-bath drawingsit's crap
Done. It was supposed to look more "painterly" but felt like doing lineart.
>>7903731why is he dressed like thatwhy is his chest so bigwhere's his penis
>>7903731isn't her right arm too short? especially compared to her left
The hardest part of drawing is not picking up the pencil, it's getting attention
>>7903222Sketch>>7903731Nice butt :>
>>7903733I like Miku a bit too much. I honor her with low effort cumslop art once in a while. I have been doing this the last two years now.>>7903734foreshortening but guess I failed...>>7903737cute, are you gonna finish it?
>>7903740>cute, are you gonna finish it?Ty, yes I think I'll draw a standing figure too but the plan is to finish it
>>7903671Ended up going with this. The ref I based this pose on had a very disjointed hip going on too. I dont understand much about anatomy so I just go with my instinct.
>>7903744Very nice ! If you ever want to get more into anatomy, just know it's out there, and never a bad idea. I wish you luck on the rest of you art journey, friend ^^
>>7903719Cute and funny
What being a constructoid means? I see every time people here making fun of it
>>7903142Good fig studies. Sports is always a good resource.. Keep it up :]
>>7903126I like the colors you choose. Good stuff :]
>>7903769Overcomplicating shit basically
>>7903636Sexy apples
Are there bad reasons to draw if so what are they what should I do if I have. A bad reason
>>7903776if you are a pedophile or are using art to sexually harass people
>>7903769it's just a couple of trolls on this board who think having decent draftsmanship and taking your time planning out a drawing is "bad" and thus they try to degrade people by calling them constructoids
>>7903769Constructoids are autists who rigidly adhere to the first shitty construction tutorial they stumble upon, usually as a prebeg, and are unable to progress in making fluid and rhythmic art. Not all construction users are constructoids.
Critiques please. Been drawing on and off for roughly a year but fully committed again for maybe 6 months or so
Have you ever had the inverse issue of a image looking weird while flipped that instead it looks weird normally but it looks good in every other angle even flipped but the base angle looks super strange?
I've never seen anyone be against construction AND be willing to post their work. Curious.
>>7903784I hate construction, it's destroying ecosystems and hurting wildlife just so apartments can be built for people who don't exist and are too expensive for the homeless so they sit empty atop the graves of countless flora and fauna as for art, it's ok
>>7902730As the other anon said >>7902741 both the foreground eye and its respective brow are placed a bit higher than the furthermost ones. Try rotating the head until it's at an upright position and you'll notice a skewness of about half an eye.Besides that, the transition from the nape into the upper trapezius looks kinda wonky. The mass of the latter should become visible at roughly the midpoint of the neck's length (i.e., at the level of the Adam's apple). Currently, the outline of the trapezius is placed so low that the muscle might as well not be there. I recommend that you skim through a few neck anatomy diagrams or drawing tutorials. Other than those issues, the guy looks handsome, so you're on the right track.
>>7903782not anime or suggesting sexual innuendos
>>7903782Eyebrows are at a 3/4 angle while the rest of the face is in a near-profile view. That aside, not bad.
Made blooks today, and some circles and spheres. Trying to wrap my head around construction is difficult, especially how Loomis uses circles to define the cheek and jawline.
>>7903226Cute youmu anon
Okay I think I've done enough copying that I'm close to plateauing unless I start learning the fundies. Do I start drawing boxes or do I do figure drawing first?
>>7903822Boxes!!! And not just boxes. I would recommend doing ALL of the basic shapes (cubes, pyramids, cylinders, etc) It really helps with understanding form since you'll be needing to break figures down into them to make it less 2D. :)
I said goodbye to the red brush
>>7903782It's flat and symbol drawing. You should have gotten out of this phase in your first week, 2 weeks max. So something you do isn't working. Follow a program, any program. People recommend Proko.I dislike Loomis, but you might profit from Fun With A Pencil
I haven't had the energy to draw for a while but I decided to force it today. It was so shit... I can't post it. I'd rather pretend I didn't draw it.
>>7903830i demand ur twitter now
Finally managed to have decent layer management again.
Anyone drew with their fingers or is getting a digital tablet mandatory?
i have huge issues with armor even though i want to draw armoer charcters so badlyanatomy and even clothes flow into each other, but armor is just a bunch of geometic shapes floating on the body?>>7903865i didnt really draw any other mchub so you have nothing to see
>>7903905nice foot
Over the weekend I had worked on drawing lips but progress has been quite slow, as expected. I am expecting to take the rest of the week to learn lips but I want to discuss some of the things I have done differently to get myself to draw more.>Smaller SketchbookI fucking hate my large sketchbook. I don't know what it is. Maybe it's just the fact that my mistakes are more easily visible. Whatever the case, I decided to not use it and get a smaller sketchbook instead. My drawings aren't much better but somehow it feels more tolerable when they're smaller. I've also started writing on top of my bad drawings to hide them and at least preserve my ego just a little bit. (I can show an example if you want.)In this sketchbook, I am making myself draw AT MINIMUM three times a day. When I after waking up, before going to sleep, and somewhere in between. No exercises, no drills, and no doodling. I have to actually try to draw something and make an effort to make it look nice. For now, that's just copying other sketches I see online. When (or if) I get comfortable with that, I could move onto something else.>Feng Zhu MindsetOne of the more relieving things that I learned from him (thank you, >>7902456 for providing the Alternative Sticky for which I found this video from) is that drawing faces and humans are the most difficult things you could ever attempt.>YOU MUST DRAW ZE BUGZ!!Feng Zhu recommends drawing boring shit like bugs and trees but personally I'd just stop drawing if I had to relegate myself to that kind of boring nonsense. I'd rather struggle with a purpose than coast without knowing where the hell I'm going. It's going to suck for a while but I'm hoping that breaking down the features of the face and studying them separately one-by-one will make the process much easier on me.>Small Wacom Intuous TabletGot rid of it.Way too small and started to hurt my wrist.I am contemplating getting a Wacom MovinkPad but I've decided to stay traditional for now.
Thank you >>7902365 for your kind words.Over the weekend I thought about how I could create something that prioritizes writing over artwork but doesn't entirely neglect the artwork. Several mediums came into consideration but the one that stood out to me the most was>Light Novels.Unlike traditional novels which include virtually no artwork, Light Novels are kinda like the fun part of making Visual Novels without the shitty, boring parts. You get to create the character design and the CGs without having to do any of the programming and sourcing of music. It's also the closest to the writing style that I'd like to adopt and the artwork is generally simplistic which works for me since I don't plan to be good enough at drawing to make those highly detailed manga panels you see by actual good artists.Since we all need a purpose to draw, I want to start spending some time this week thinking about an idea for my Light Novel or trying to reuse some of my older short stories and turning those into LNs. If I continue to just draw with no purpose, I'll end up just burning out and quitting for the 8-9th time. Having this purpose will kindle the flames just enough to keep drawing while also focusing on the one thing I'm actually good at which is writing.
>>7903924>>7903928There's no way you wrote all of that and still haven't responded to why you're doing studies of my drawing
>>7902802I think its cooler if you find me in the wild
Regarding IFRM (this is the drawing exercise where you constantly check your work after a few strokes rather than after the whole drawing is done), I have created a prototype exercise to replace it.I found IFRM to be exceedingly dull and took far more time than I'd like. It's JUST supposed to be an exercise and a warmup. It's not supposed to take hours of my day. The hours should be spent actually sketching and drawing what I like not doing shitty exercises.>Quad MatchingSo I created something I termed, "Quad Matching" (QM). This takes the absolute basics of observational drawing and strips the fluff. Dot Matching, Relation Matching, Angle Matching, and Curve Matching. These are basically the main things that you're observing in a drawing. It heavily relies on the dot-method so if you don't really do that the likelihood that it will be useful for you might not be as high. I don't care either way. I just want to design an exercise that is the most efficient way to learn observational skills. IFRM DOES work theoretically but it's way too boring and takes way too much time. In essence, it's not efficient and efficiency is the most important thing that I care about above all else.I have included examples of the four different methods. The purpose is to be relatively accurate. This means less than a 0.5cm margin of error and shooting for about 0.3cm. Anything beyond 0.5cm is too much and that needs to be corrected.To help with this, and because I'm sticking to traditional, I've purchased a Faber Castel light table. Not entirely necessary but it definitely helps.>>7903931IFRM is independent of the artwork used. It doesn't matter WHAT you use as long as the lines are distinct. I used a random viable drawing on the previous /beg/ thread. There wasn't any other reason in particular other than the lines were more distinct. However, as I stated previously, I have dropped this method for Quad Matching as it seemed highly inefficient comparatively.
>>7903937Earlier you whined that drawing cubes circles and straight lines was pointless and now you're doing the same fucking thing instead of actually only drawing what you want? Are you genuinely incapable of forming logic chains?
>>7903937oh... and i thought you liked my drawinganyhow copying is retarded
>>7903928based picture book creator>>7903936does he ever have gay sex or is he just a tease
>>7903936That's a cute anthro lady
>>7903941>Earlier you whined that drawing cubes circles and straight lines was pointlessYou didn't read my post.Quad Matching (QM™) is about training observational ability, not mindlessly doing straight lines, cubes, etc. Subsequently, the point of my posts was to prove that those exercises don't make you good at drawing, which I am still correct about. Those exercises only amplify your current ability--in fact, nearly all exercises do this.>>7903942I did.Copying is necessary to move onto the other fundamentals. As the alternative sticky put it, "if you can't copy, how can you emulate your instructors drawings?" If you can't copy, how can you draw anything? You need to be able to measure proportions. This doesn't mean a 1:1 copy but you should be able to at least make it match closely. That's the one skill I neglected when trying to learn to draw for years and I personally believe it's the one thing that held me back from improving at all.
This is the greatest crabbing campaign ever conceived.Coming up with this alone requires a high level of artistic creativity.
fuggthat pelvic shape is hard for me and i think i make the torso too long still
>>7903964This is much too elaborate to be a crab troll. My bet is on severe autism
>>7903880very cool>>7903831nice. very cool chaotic sketch page
>>7903814ThxHere's an updateFlats are inhttps://files.catbox.moe/hoogyv.png
>>7903548Went to shit past the face outline apparently. I hear that gridlines can help, how true is that?>>7903574Thanks for the tip anon, as you said I'm a prebeg retard who doesn't know how to use Krita properly. By the way, may I ask how I should improve my layer management?
>>7903983My bet is cluster B. And Im right.
>>7904004Also, is copying a good practice, or should I go back to grinding construction for a thousand years first?
Clean it up digitally.
>>7904007That's the cutest evil warlock I've ever seen.
Girl netfishing. Big asses at an angle give me trouble. Good thing they're still hot even when I can't do them justice.
>>7904006Copying is good practice. There's little point in learning to construct anything when you cannot observe angles/shapes correctly so I suggest you focus on that for at least a few weeks before trying to go for construction. If you get bored just hop off it and draw in a way you find enjoyable. The most important part of starting to draw is to not burn the fuck out by mindlessly grinding something you have zero interest in so take it slow and steady. You'll get further that way
>>7903985yjk
Pic related is my latest finished drawing. I'd like to improve my style to be closer to the one shown in the linked video, while still keeping it recognizable as my own. Any advice?: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9X8EL9DdH4&t=49s
>>7904035Very nice style. Do you have a blog?
>>7904022a man and his moose
>>7904038herepixiv:https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/121884620X:https://x.com/Cicalere_cl
Finally hit 50 lip drawings and I'm freaking TIRED of this shit.I'm going to move onto real life pictures. I want to try to use what I learned with these artist's rendition of lips to see how I would render the lips of a real life subject.I'm hoping to be done with lips by the end of the week so I can move onto noses.
>>7904012:D Thanks fren.
Been drawing this catgirl character in various poses this past week both in order to practice drawing her features in a consistent fashion as well as just to figure out how to express her feline nature not just in her appearance but also behavior.
>>7904069I dig her. She is cute, but has a certain otherness to her design, and that is quite pleasant, to me at least.
Rdg
>>7904069Do the scaredy cat pose where they arch their back and the scratching post pose.
>>7904061Hope you remember what you drew.>>7903924LOOK YOU DID IT AGAIN THAT UGLY FUCKING PREBEG CURSED SYMBOLIC SATANIC MOUTH 35
>>7904072Thanks. She is supposed to be a sort of genetically engineered chimera that combines human and feline genetics. Her looking a bit weird/uncanny is partially intentional and partially a result of me just kind of being bad at drawing faces lel. She is supposed to have a slight muzzle/snout to her face which is difficult to draw from certain angles.
>>7904076Those sound fun, I could give them a try. I tried to draw her in a sort of "cat leaping in fear pose" as well.
>>7904069Is she based off any particular cat breed? Reminds me of lykoi cats.
what it feels like being retarded
>>7904069>>7904080>>7904081Honestly she look like Bat than a Cat.
>>7904081Oh, I like the dynamism with this one! Yeah this is similar to what I imagined the scaredy-cat pose would be like
>>7904083Not really. I chose her coloration and patterning mostly because I found the grey tone to be visually pleasant.>>7904087I'm not really seeing the bat in her look desu.
>>7904089I cant unseen it
>>7904079>PREBEG CURSED SYMBOLIC SATANIC MOUTH 35I got that from this reference.>Hope you remember what you drew.Probably not. I don't yet feel ready to move on but I have to to avoid burning out. I typically feel confident after 150 iterations.
>>7904092Is it the ears and color choice then?
>>7904093slop
hehe lol
>Start doing the loomis heads>Get worse as I do more of themHow the fuck does that work? I hate this.
>>7903636more apples
>>7904113smol
>>7902646I did some introspection tonight and I think one of the reasons my art is bad is because I draw the same thing over and over again like an insane person. So I’ve decided to start drawing anything other than people for a little while.Here is tiger doodles from ref.
>>7904134>"bad">DoodleI gotta get off of here for my own mental health.
Actually, scrap that one, how are THESE looking? What could be improved? Currently staring down the barrel of adding an ear to the bottom right one, but all the ears I add make it look cluttered/bad.
>>7904156Here.
just one of those moods >>7904145they are very rudimentary, at this point you should just keep grinding bc you don't have the tools to focus on any specific thing yet just keep drawing and have fun
>>7904159thanks senpai I was about to give up
>>7903767 I love cute and funny things
>>7903737cute . i hope u work on those fingers tho>>7903666looks a little muddy>>7903880nice expressionlineart I did
>>7904161This is high /adv/ and I will not be taking anything else for an answer
>>7904076Tried to draw a sort of scratchpost pose with her
>>7904175Your linework's weight is a bit inconsistent, I'd work on either using no pen pressure and adding the weight manually first or practicing the weight itself with line exercises.
tried to learn some stuff about shading and proper flow for clothing but i think i made a mess of it.tried a more complicated hand position and i think they're pretty decent.what should i be focusing on the most?
How do I learn to render in the painterly style instead of cel shading?
How do you turn this into boxes?
>>7903666i realized i should practice on a simpler comp so i started on this instead
Hi I'm new just wanted some eyes to tell me if my anatomy or anything is overly uncanny. I'm a horrible judge. Also me >>7904220
>>7904222you should draw Raiden from MGS2
>>7904190
>>7904226sexo
>>7904176Thank you.
hello!
the captchas on this site are increasingly silly each time I return from hiatus
>>7904223I'll try when I can, no guarantee. I just realised my oc looks similar and has a similar kit. Time to kms. I haven't even played those games yet
>>7904234qt
>>7904227I knew someone would say that>>7904231Thank YOU for the new profile picture
>>7902646drawing backgrounds isnt easy chief.
>>7904237even if she's Serbian?
>>7904240this is the first time an image uploads flipped for me, whatever.
>>7904236I though you went for raiden until I saw she was a girl.
>>7904234Very cute. Blog?>>7904241>even if she's Serbian?I always had a weakness for slav cuties.
>>7904240Are you the /ss/hotafag?
Charlie moaningstarI think messed up the trident perspective>>7903451Accurate monkey boobas lol>>7903635Caine and pomni in your style look nice>>7904069Cat>>7904085Daumm this is crazy>>7904175Face and hair looks good.>>7904222Welcome.
>>7904250i dont know who that is.
>>7904253holy shit. you are stupidly fucking good. what the fuck (caine and pomni person here) I love demon Charlie!! so fucking awesome
>>7904249https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/110408911most of my illustrations are just low effort scraps from months-years ago
I tried Stravinsky upside down but I feel he started warping as I got closer to his head, any advice?
>>7904271This look like my first drawing i did of this ngl. More you draw the better you get at copying. This exercise is here demostrate your brain want to save energy so it simplifying things it can reconizable. When you draw it upside down brain cant reconize anything to simplify so it force to use more energy to the thing. So dont think about much move on to drawing something else it takes a long time like years get good and comfotable with copying things accurately.
>>7904190Some key things to keep in mind... >ctrl+z>eyedropper tool>lower opacity brushes>less blending>single layer >rendering after laying down colors roughly>painting with acrylics irl first (debatable)
>>7904276The fuck is this bot response?
no idea how the fuck to do hair in this position>>7904271it's because you felt like you didn't have enough space on the page so you squished it to make it fit. the point of this particular exercise is to draw what you see, it seem like a success to me. But what you can learn from this is that you want to take measurements and roughly map out the general sizes of the next drawing so you won't run into the same problem again.>>7904222hands and feet feel too large for the joints they are attached too, probably want to approximate both elements towards each other a tiny bit
>>7904287
>>7904281You’re the bot
How much is an acceptable amount of stabilization to use? I've seen artists use as little as 5% or none at all, but I feel completely out of control without at least 20%
>>7904223I did my best>>7904287Thanks for the tip
>>7904323Perfect match, I love it.Good going, anon.
>>7904322As much as you want? Who's gonna stop you?
>>7904322Saw a professional use a (clip studio paint) stablizer at 58. I would never dream to make mine higher than fucking 30. The reason stabilizers go that high is for artists to use them. picrel is at 58There are no rules in drawing. Just was to make it easier and things that piss others off.
>>7904341what is ss
>>7904334I forgot to take software into account. I'm on Rebelle, and even at 70% the smoothing isn't as drastic as in that gif. I'm just trying to do lineart at 20% and going insane cause it felt like it was doing so little despite being so high.
>>7904354straight shotacon. A subgenre of the shota genre of manga, where the partner of the little boy is a little girl or an older girl. Shota genre by itself refers to the cuteness of the male boy character, but the hentai subgenre of shota, always pairs the male boy with another male boy. Making it gay.shota hentai is gaystraight shota or ss hentai is not gay.
>>7904369And either way is pedophilia. Hopefully that anon kills himself.
>>7904369ayrt Never too old to learn something new I think...? I may regret asking.
>>7903985Thank you I like the messy part of sketching more than actually finishing something
>>7903231the new sticky is made by the same person who made the old sticky. This is verifiable through the original link for the old sticky which linked to the new sticky (now called poisoned gift)
>>7904134post the ref plz so I can cat tigermaxx as well fren
>>7904134was this drawn with a single brush? unreachable levels of line/pressure control
Drawing odokuro.
>>7904160Unironically I think those cut up legs look great. Not because they're cut up mind you but still. Looks good.Keep it up, friend!
>>7904220>>7904222I like these. I agree with the other anon that the hands are quite large but as a stylistic choice I like it.>>7904323Nice Raiden.
>1girl white voidMy first attempt at clothing folds, how is it? Kept it simple for this piece.
>>7904402Yeah it's one of the default procreate pencil brushes. I just checked and it's the HB Pencil.>>7904401Sorry i didnt save it, it was just pictures of tigers on Pinterest.>>7904451I think you did a good job anon! Very cute, keep it up!
>>7904281How is that a bot response? You need to use all of these things to your advantage in order to acheive that style. I'll post my bot response flavored art when I get home to show what I mean.
>>7904187samefag >>7904468I may have replied tot the wrong post. Sausage fingers at it again. That was meant for PAINTERLY STYLE not turning some shit into boxes fml
having a character interact with a plush or pillow that close is harder than i thought>>7904323very cool raiden>>7904451cute, but the white fragments in between your colors are really distracting. folds around the hip look good, not so sure about the upper torso ones.>>7904470it's ogre
I fail.
>>7904474>white fragments in between your colors are really distractingI'm churning out these unfinished pieces at the moment to increase mileage drawing cloth folds, this would be a sketch and color plan. Is it better to just finish each piece properly instead?
>>7904470I was the anon that asked about the painterly style not the boxes, would be good if you can post some examples thanks
>>7904190I have a mental box mannequi in mind. I would first do to find clues in reference to find what box angle fits in there.
>>7904474I am also not too sure about those folds on the upper body. I predicted them as stretch folds because of the pressure of her far arm on the cloth. The lower stretch fold is supposed to begin from where her sleeve joins with the main body of the cloth. I'm not too sure of the upper fold but I don't know any better at this time.
Guys I am feeling overwhelmed. With every study or piece I draw I just realise there's more and more I don't know. How do I cope with the vastness of art? I am just 1 tiny beg and the universe is so huge.
>>7904485I would just play with the limited knowledge i have until i get the itch to learn a new thing.
>>7904479you can keep doing your fast coloring approach for mileage but you need to find a way for the colors to fill out the area better. you are using fairly thick so you can easily just have your fill or selection tool or whatever you use set in such a way it bleeds a few pixels into the lineart so it fills the space behind it better. Even if its just for drawing the folds you warp the meaning of the lines see pic rel as an extreme example>>7904485limit your scope and find achievable goals.
I don't see much of a difference between drawing artists' renditions of lips and drawing them myself from life. I've tried to stylize a few of them but I don't know if I'm even doing anything. Just feels like I'm wasting time.I'm thinking of taking all the lips from the artists I drew, grab my reference from life, and then put them together in front of me. Then I try to draw in the style of the artist onto the real life subject. This is just a guess though, I have no idea if this will actually work.I'm going to grind out a few more lip drawings from life today during my lunch break but if it feels like I'm not doing anything, I'll try what I said above and see if I find any difference.>>7904140It's all relative.Some people do it maliciously but the idea that one's art is either bad, or something that looks like it took a long time is just a "doodle", is just comparative analysis if genuine. Most of the time though, it's malicious. Artists will gaslight you and say they're not but when you start getting into dialogue with these people they eventually give in and admit it.>I gotta get off of here for my own mental health.Getting off of /ic/ will not only improve your mental health but it will improve your drawing. No one on here got good by being on /ic/. All the progress I have ever made (albeit small) was when I wasn't on /ic/. In fact, in order to use /ic/, I have to consistently make an effort to put it out of my mind in order to be able to draw. I never allow /ic/ to negatively impact the amount of time I spend drawing. That is precisely why I have banned /ic/ from my home. I can only access this particular board during my downtime at work.
Just opened this thread for the first time in my life.AMA
>>7904521Did it hurt?
>>7904502Lips look good to me
>>7904502Truth is getting good at art is like a gradient map you can't tell when you gets good.
Is tehre a point in trying to learn drawing with your non-dominant arm? I have Tendinitis in my right arm and dont want to stop drawing but also want to let it properly heal before I use it again.
>>7902646In need of some new eyes on this before I develop it. Is the raised arm socket too high up? How do I figure out the skirts form, should I use a cone shape and angle it to find a good circumference?
>>7904545Thanks, it just doesn't feel like much. Maybe it's because all the rest of the features aren't there. Not sure.>>7904549I think at the beginning, yes. But I noticed that when I draw something 150 times or for roughly 50 hours, I tend to feel a sort-of "confidence" in drawing something in particular. I guess maybe that's what I'm after, not necessarily being "good."This is true for anything in drawing in my experience. Whether it's copying or tracing or drawing something very specific.
anyone here try out the northern kentucky uni playlists? any good?im gonna try them myself
>>7904577Those lecture are very long boring after all they are university lectures. If you're a beginner dont do it. I watched some of his anatomy lectures they are not bad. His drawing basic one is boring to me.
>>7904588but its because im a beginner that im considering themthey seem to go in depth for lots of things that seem to be important fundamentals to learn
>>7904555yes, the arm should join the shoulder a little lower, down into the ruff instead of into the helmet. Also the hand/arm looks a little awkward, in real life its very hard to bend the hand that far back and a more javelin style throw might look more natural., i.e. rotate the hand about 90 degrees clockwise
>>7904602They are for experienced beginners or at least for people who have some surface understanding on all of topics and want to dive deep, NOT for people who draw a little. I mean you can do it. I am not stopping you.
What's the (supposedly good) alternative for Krita if you don't draw anime, if Krita is apparently so bad?
>>7904614Krita's supposed to be bad? I quite like it.But I often hear people recommending ClipStudio Paint though that's paid, Medibang also seems to have a pretty good reputation.
>>7904614Its not bad at all, retard trolls keep attacking it since its free and somewhat famous. Their motive is to bash it and hope people pay up for a "real" art program.
>>7904614Use i bisx paint with cheat engine turn speedhack to 0
>>7904614I hear krita is a pretty good alternative for drawing non-amine things you should look into it
>>7904614i don't get the hate for krita perfectly fine and FREE at that
>>7904436Colored it.
>>7904631>ClipStudio PaintIs that actually good for non-anime or not? Unironically
tried drawing a frog playing the banjo
>>7904668>>7904631>>7904640>>7904641>>7904656>>7904659>>7904614Krita troons still can't debate this
>>7904614Krita is good and pretty much everything you need for illustrations. Except when you try to run it on a touchscreen standalone like a samsung tablet or the xp pen magic drawing pad, unless you have an attachable keyboard or one of those shortcut pads, I wouldn't recommend it. Your toolbars tend to eat up alot of your workspace on these devices. Main reason I swapped to csp is that exact reason which has various ways to easily free up your workspace by either toggling between simple/complex drawing mode or just being able to minimize your sidebars instead of having to rearrange them completely. As a side note layer management is a lot more intuitive on csp as well, but that's really just a small initial hurdle to overcome.If you have a drawing tab that needs to be plugged into a pc or laptop go nuts with Krita. The base brushes are a fairly good selection and work out of the box.
Either I'm getting worst or I'm judging myself more harshly. In any case, I want to finish off the week with lips and then finally move onto something else, likely noses. I'll skip expressions for now.
>>7904663cute
Drawing's got to be one of the most fun and annoying things at the same time, at least from prebeg experienceTrying continuously to draw something and failing for a prolonged time makes me want to rip my hair out but once it clicks and you understand why the things are the way they are is insanely satisfying, i love it
>>7904664
>>7904679nice
>>7904670Settings > Keyboard shortcuts > Krita > Painting > Toggle eraser presetthis shortcut let's you toggle between two brushes of which one you can set to the eraser brush. The eraser you are talking about is actually just a transparency color toggle.
>>7904670Press E.>>7904668Your software dictates very little on what themes you can draw, whether it's anime, landscapes or realism. It may make a few choices easier, like heavypaint is pretty good for trying to emulate a painterly style, and CSP has built-in tools for paneling, so making comics is easier on it, but at the end of the day the main modifier when it comes to what your art looks like is (You). Szofia Dankova did this in paint, as in regular microsoft paint.
>>7904697thanks. here's a really shitty sketch I made for monkaposter on request
>>7904670press e broor just look at the screen unironically and click on the eraser brushif you are filtered by like the 3 different ways to use an eraser maybe its not my problem
ey yo
>>7904720I kneel
>stylus suddenly broke>feeling pretty down>decide to try traditional for a bit>completely eats my focus for hours>feel accomplishedIs this a sign that I should pivοt to traditional? At least no one could argue that I'm using AI
>>7904720nice
naked Charlie.>>7904384boobasss>>7904669FROG>>7904679sexyy pomniAHHH CAINE>>7904257hehe thanks
>>7904720Should the ass actually be this tilted towards the viewer from this perspective?
>>7904737nope, but i like breaking some rules for my own entertainment
>>7904737prob should be something like this but its fine
>>7904743hey you are right, it's way too long. Thanks
>>7904740Fair. Very pretty drawing Anon
deleted that one bc I like this bonus sketch version bettercharlie anon is great
>>7904720here you can see how much your values improvedleft is one of your older versions I saved right is the current one
bit weird idk
>>7904720That left elbow sitll looks awkward and breaks the silhouette.
>>7904772Ye, I looked it with fresh eye and got what you guys meant. Thanks, gonna use black and white more often.
>>7904590cool vampbro
Sooooo, should I follow the advice of the guy saying that you need to learn how to copy before knowing all the other fundamentals? to be honest, I just want to draw cool characters, and this bull shit of learning so many things before to be able to draw what i want is making me tired of this shit
>>7904451へ への の も 口
>>7904795Have you tried making a single (1) copy since receiving this advice? If not, you're unironically, categorically ngmi.
>>7904802I drew my beedrom, and used references to make a character face
>>7904805CUTE T_Tblog?
>>7904795Ngmi mentality. This shit gets much harder than what your little prebeg brain can comprehend. If this is too stressful for you, find a more pleasant hobby. >listening to the schizo permabegUltra-ngmi mentality.
>>7904795it may take years to get good at copying. will you spend a whole year just copying things? probably not. so just spend like a 30min a day copying something that interest you (result will be always bad) then enjoy drawing from imagination rest of the day. after doing that shit month or two you can pick a Dorian Accuracy course or something and do it.
>>7904814@user_egjv3575 on pixivI already posted it above, so sorry if I seem like a whore
>>7904837T_T
>>7904838i can't find you on pixiv
This shit looks boring I should stylemaxx
another one of those days where I can't draw
a variety of doodles, none of f them good
thought I was getting better at masc bodies only to fuck it up worse than I have in weeks probably
ok and last one sorry for spamming the thread saarssry I don't have much to add to other people's stuff but everyone's better than me lol
>>7904795just have fun with it, you only need to get as good as you want. if you don't care about being able to draw perfect faces and poses from imagination then don't bother
>>7904795Im this guy so take my opinion with a grain of salt. >>7904134I think the answer here is a simple "It depends on how you plan to approach copying and what you want to draw." The unfortunate truth with art, is that there's no 1 supreme correct method to draw, and what you focus on should probably be influenced by what your drawing goals are. You say you want to just draw cool characters, but you still are not specific enough in your goal. Do you want to illustrate characters like in Fantasy Illustrations (Card Art, splash art, etc), or do you want to create character concept art for animation, or perhaps you want to create a comic. Knowing specifically what you want to do will help narrow what you will focus on.Outside of that, "Copying" can refer to a lot of different approaches and will typically be about 1 of 2 things. 1) It will be focused on building your observational skills, so that you can learn to simplify whatever is in front of you and draw it using shape. To do this, you could employ a variety of techniques like Sight-Size (classical approach using plumb lines to measure and copy 1:1) or comparitive measurement techniques.2) It will be about studying a specific subject and 'copying' the underlying structure of something. For example, you could copy figures but focus on constructing the figures to understand how bodies move. Or, you could do a master study to try and copy/figure out how the reference artist creates their composition, mood, colour balance, etc.I am not entirely sure which stage you will be at because there is no imge attached. However, i think it would be smart to have a good think about what your art goal is, and then try to figure out how artists doing that goal got there. Once you have more confidence and have a rough idea of what you're doing, it will be a little easier for yourself to pick up new material (courses, books) and know what to study. Sorry this was quite long! Take a dumb little gif i drew a lil bit ago
>>7904815The thing that makes me tired is that everyone says to follow a different path, no one come to a conclusion on where to start this shit, some say to start with boxes and construction, others with copying, others with lines, figure drawing and etc.
>>7904866>sight size vs comparitive measurement techniquesI didnt write this well. I should have made the comparison to the Russian Academic Method, since it's more construction focused. Sight Size is technically a comparative technique, but focused on 1:1 instead of scaling relatively iirc. Sorry if that was confusing.
>>7904866I'm pre-beg, figuring out what should I do, and I want to do things like you said, fantasy illustrations and things like that. Your art for example is one of the things I wish to be able to make
>>7904795>#unethical life hackGrab a photo/ art pose you you want to copy, sketch a mannequin over it, modify the pose to fit your needs, feed the mannequin sketch to Gemini then trace over the image in your own style.You aren’t tracing over someone’s work and you can actually get what you want drawn out right now in way less time then trying and failing. I just want to draw without the disconnect between what I want and my abilities. It’s like going from christchan /beg/ to just /beg/
>>7904880https://hackmd.io/UMnZVhNITW-T2wZpHw6d0Q
>>7904893i post this link in a discord server and they banned me for sending fishing links
>>7904893>https://hackmd.io/UMnZVhNITW-T2wZpHw6d0QOk, no excuses now, I will follow this throught the end of it, thanks anon
>>7904843https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/110408911I'm retarded
I CANT FUCKING DRAW. I AM RETARDED SUBHUMAN GARBAGE WITH NO TALENT.
>>7904900WHO ARE YOU? WHY YOU SPAMMING "I CANT FUCKING DRAW" EVERYDAYYYY
>>7904902BECAUSE I CANT FUCKING DRAW
>>7904893>https://hackmd.io/UMnZVhNITW-T2wZpHw6d0QThis is actually way worse than the old sticky lol why did you guys change it
>>7904857paigekino
>>7904906it is the old sticky
>>7904900Did you try?
>>7904909He don't have the talent to try
>>7904900just use references bro, if you still struggle then trace the general shape and add the details and stuff yourself until you get a feel for it
>>7904909FOR YEARS.>>7904915AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>7904912You don't need talent to try.
>>7904916Did you try again?
>>7904917ability to "TRY" is a Talent without that talent it's pointless to live.
>>7904795Just draw. Copies are the easy way to draw and you will, at some point, go 'i want to learn a fundie/technique/skill' so just copy for now
>>7904916post your most recent stuff
>>7904220>>7904222>>7904236kewl blog?
>>7904555Artillery Witch my beloved https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIG6nayCg6c
>>7904934I still got no proof of God existence.
>>7904933My username is Loadgazer on everything. just made my socials yesterday, but only posted on newgrounds so far.
>>7904950cute queercoded username sis
>free will to pick any username>you choose a euphemism for getting nutted on your face
>>7904950>Artists choosing a normal name challenge IMPOSSIBLE
>>7904958Thank god my name is John Smith.
Pre sleep doodles, today is birds. Its kinda comfy forcing myself to not draw people for a change even if the sketches arent the best quality
>>7904964what procreate brush(es) are you using?
>>7904968Its the default brushes under sketching calles HB Pencil. I haven't really used procreate a tonne so I dont really know how customisable it is yet
>Not even 2 years drawing in this post.>No past at all before 2024.>No prebeg poses>No beg shit>All timelapses begin from colouring.>Already drawing perfect shading with multiple poses in all kinds of perspectives and with several characters interactingEither generational talent or sleeper ai build. Fucking bullshit. Talented fags just get fucking anything they want in life.
>>7904977I dunno if it's a slopper or not, but holy shit this fag is such an annoying yapper in all of their posts jesus christ.
>>7904977Why did you post this in a thread about posting your own drawings? What does this random twitter user have to do with posting your work or engaging with the work of other posters? What do you hope to gain from posting this
>>7904977That's crazy
idk how to make the eyes not look off, ive adjusted them like 10 times nowi think i doomed myself by using what i think is an ai ref on accident too
>>7904988they look fine, dont look at it for a day and then go back to it
>>7904977noticed this in one of their pics.the fine details and everything look fine though, so maybe an AI tracer
>>7904977AI sloppa tracer
>>7904952Thank u >_<>>7904958I stare at cum alot sry
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>7905025its ok it looks good bro
Day 26, almost a month done of learning to draw with no experience. Attempted coloring for the first time. I wanted to ask you guys, how long should I continue doing portraits until I move on to stuff like anatomy?
>>7905052draw on paper, digital is baby tier easy mode and will give you bad habits
>>7905052>26I need to kill myself. NOW
How to draw lovey dovey scenes or come up with the poses? I'm just supposed to imagine them?
>>7904481My painting is dogshit but maybe this speaks to you in some way that's easier to do with visuals idk.. I over rendered it. You can see precisely the point where I should've stopped. orzhttps://files.catbox.moe/2nyo0l.mp4
>>7905065This is one way I've seen.
>>7905062You shouldn’t give up anon, I started from shit too>>7905055That will be hard, I’ve gotten used to the undo button
>>7905080SHUP UP TALENTED FUCK,
>>7905080WIDE POWER! Sorry it just amused me a tad
>>7905081just use references bro, do a light outline before you do details and if it doesn't look right then erase it and try again
i want to do a camera flash effect for the coloring but i have no idea how to do that
>>7905103
>>7905104no
Literally scammed. Paid 1 buck to get this scanned. And it's blurry.
box people
>>7905124gmi
I CAN FEEL THE FORM.It only took almost 90 drawings of lips but now when I'm drawing them, I feel like I can finally start to FEEL the forms going over one another. I think part of it is just that my brain recognizes the shapes so much that it's no longer worried about the right proportions anymore. It's free to go beyond just making it look accurate and can now focus on more complex things.One trick I figured out is to DARKEN the part that goes OVER another form. That makes the form pop and appear as if it's overlapping the other form. I heard this from somewhere before but this is one of those pieces of advice that don't really mean anything until you can see it for yourself.I'm starting to realize most drawing advice isn't really that useful. In fact, it's better to consume as little content on how to draw as possible as everything else you need to learn you'll just figure out on your own anyway. I thought that if I binge watched Vilppu or grinded Steve Houston videos I could learn how to draw through Osmosis and little drawing but in the end I realize that less is actually more, in almost everything. Of course, it's helpful to have a mentor so you don't end up grinding figure drawings with no purpose and not improve but I think if I took the approach of doing 1:10 instruction:drawing ratio, I would've improved within the first few months of drawing much faster than the first 7 years.Anyway, I'm getting fucking tired of lips. After I hit 100 lip drawings, I'm going to move to Noses + Lips. That way I can continue to work on lips while making things more fresh for myself.That brings up another point.Learning how to draw isn't erratic because that's the proper way to learn how to draw. It's erratic because we're human, not AI machines. There IS a proper way to learn how to draw but that way is so fucking boring that it's impractical for the vast majority of people. The way I'm studying isn't efficient but it's practical.
What program do Western artists in Western countries use to draw Western-style art/design professionally in the industry?
>>7905151They use AI program.
>>7905052cute miyabi
>>7905149Now i understand why no one make a book about "How to draw".
>>7905055>Trad = Good for Learning>Digital = Good for Making ArtI noticed when I used digital I would spam the undo and eraser button. I was reliant on it. Dependent on it. Slave to it. If I didn't have the undo button, I couldn't draw at all. Put a pencil in front of me and I'd have a meltdown and run out of the room crying.>>7905161The more I draw the more I wonder if these general "How to Draw" books are just grifts to syphon siphon money from /beginners. Very specific books I think are valid, like Anatomy or Figure Drawing, but when it comes to these general, "I'll heckin teach you how to draw!" books or videos I just get a weird feeling about them.
>>7905164I really recommend trad for learning, I went through Bridgman's book entirely with pencil and paper and I felt some good improvement.Now, I'm doing Proko's digitally, but at the same time I'm also doing oil painting to better learn colors and values.
>>7905168Is bridgman book is same as morpho books?
>>7905169I haven't gone through morpho's, but I know a little from what's been posted and to me, both seem fairly similar. Both seem to go through simplified forms of the body and basic construction techniques, one of the things that stands out to me is that it seems Bridgman is a bit more clinical with his teachings, he takes muscle groups, goes into the nitty gritty details and deconstructs them later, equating them more to a system of ropes and pulleys than malleable masses, and he does so for a huge amount of muscle groups, even the ones in the face.I'm sure either book is fine for learning.
>>7905173How did you go through it? Front to back or you chose specific sections that related to what you were trying to work on?
>>7905175Front to back, drawing nearly everything on the page, often multiple times to truly try to get it, and also reading because Bridgman does have some decent written information. I did rather slowly though, over the course of 4 months.I think the latter way, of using it more as a reference manual for current work, would also be good for learning, but going through the whole book is something I'd recommend too, it's going to make you put some hours in and these hours will be really useful if you really think about what you're doing and focus on it.
>>7905117Quickly colored it
>>7905177That approach seems rough.Since I'm studying lips, I'll try to just focus on those two pages then move onto what I need. I think that might be better and more manageable than going through pages of completely, seemingly unrelated things to what you want to do.I tried before to just copy the stuff in the book but only lasted like 20 pages before giving up. I didn't feel like I was learning anything. I think maybe you need to be able to copy/measure proportions first before it's useful. That's just my guess though.
>>7905180>I think maybe you need to be able to copy/measure proportions first before it's useful.Absolutely, having the ability to copy as a starting point is going to help you immensely, but in my opinion that ability is also going to be trained and sharpened by trying to stick with the book, not just Bridgman but any book you choose to learn from. After you learn to copy without completely overexerting your brain, you'll be able to gleam way more information as you draw.
I am autistic so i am making a book about everything /ic/ teach me
>>7905195kino lol. keep us updated
>>7904182I think you should focus on getting better paper because this is too good to be on a writing pad. I wager that it makes people more likely to overlook it because the thumbnail doesn't do it justice.
>>7904669SovlOnce again, does not belong on a notepad. Hope I see more of your work either way
New art supplies arrived today.Can't wait to not use them
>>7904907>>7904767Do you have a blog anywhere?
>>7903628Yes. It might last years as well. Worth going through it but pace yourself and doodle for fun often or you may burn out
Gonna try and get through a couple of bargue plates for practice.
>get too far into a drawing>realize it makes no sense at allDoes this happen to anyone else or am I just hopeless? It feels like i have no visualization skills, how do I not notice that something is wrong before I'm already rendering?
People says /IC/ was great like 10 years ago is it?
>>7905238It was much worse
>>7905238I remember a dude throwing a shitfit over another anon saying "Hey, your nose is slightly off-center in this picture". He went on to screech about how it was his style for 12 posts and demanded an apology.
WHY CANT MY RETARDED BRAIN DRAW PROPORTIONS PROPERLY
>>7905248Paint her blue and she's a fuckable aylmao
>>7905248Cute
>>7905248Because you're treating this as a flat 2d plane. Eyes in reality lie on a slight curve from this angle. Consider studying head planes
>>7905221Do you have a link to the high quality scans of those? I remember there was a google drive with most plates but I seem to have lost it
>>7905234This happens to me and is also a huge fear of mine. I've got more comfortable with my work after some difficult years but I'm still scared my ability to self critique is not good. Here are a few things that I believe have helped me:1. Study your mistakes, try to rework them or redraw the whole sketch totally if you can't, don't just toss it but try to figure out where you went wrong and internalise the lesson for future pieces. Make mental or even physical notes.2. Expanding on the note making, do simple sketches that demonstrate the issue you just had and your solution to it, like one skull where you redrew the fucked up chin and then draw your preferred chin on another skull next to it. There are artists who give tutorials like this online and demonstrate the relevant underlying anatomy all over the body.3. Compare your art to your favourite artists in a constructive way. You won't reach their standard overnight, but you should be studying how they do things, what lines/forms in their artwork arouse and excite you. Try to watch them work, monkey see monkey do.4. Go for ambitious technical sketches you feel like you have no business even considering. These are throwaway doodles from imagination with minimal reference. You are aiming to figure out an appealing solution on your own, by any means necessary. Chicken scratch, scribble, make a huge amorphous ugly mess to figure it out, if that makes any sense.5. Leave the piece to work on something else, or just stop drawing and eat/exercise/bathe etc. Returning to the work after days or even weeks might give you clarity on the next step, whether that is scrapping or fixing it up. Using these strategies, I've gradually been able to spot and correct my mistakes more in real time. I would be very eager to hear anyone's disagreements or expansions on any of these tips because I could certainly be going about everything wrong. Different things work for different people as well. Remember to have fun.
is it a bad idea to learn how to hatch with a soft(ish) low opacity pen?
>>7905251WHAT DID YOU MAKE ME DO?!>>7905252:3>>7905257No...please...NO 3DPD!!!
>>7905269Swiggity swooty I'm coming for that blussy
>>7905269Also there was this one old guy named Andrew Loomis who had pretty good ideas about human proportions. The space between two eyes is usually as big as the size of a single eye assuming a front facing angle
>>7905262I use >https://bargueplate.supply/collections/bargue-plates-all-plates?page=1Don't think it's too high quality but if I find better images I'll use those.
>>7905280What is this pargue plate thing you're doing? Is it somekind of thing to learn anatomy?
>>7905275Actually puttin more spaces between the eye is far better or else it look cursed.
>>7905284It's to learn how to measure proportions effectively. Most artists just learn how to do this by copying anime or some shit instead though, do whatever will actually make you want to draw more.Once you can copy pretty decently, you want to stop and start studying fundamentals.
>>7905238mate it was bettter just an year ago when pawell and shark-anon still roamed these lands. the outtage really did a number to this board
>>7905214nice I have a blue one
>>7905217sorry, no blog! i post all my drawings here though!
>>7905314Mine's curved at the tip.
>>7905124cute>>7904972I would work on lineart and face proportion, >>7904964well done birdssprite sketchs
>>7905323Mine bends a couple degrees to the left, but the doctor's told me it's nothing to worry about.
Wanted to document where I'm at right now. Did about 90 lip drawings. Not amazing at them but I feel satisfied with my current ability draw lips. At least enough to move onto something else. I did notice I strayed a bit far from the ref for the lips so I redrew and put it there with lower opacity.>>7905331cute!
>>7905334And for reference, this is where I started.
need help to know how do you know you're enjoying something drawing and not?
>>7905352> How do I know if I am having fun?Am I on fucking /v/ what the hell
>>7905179very cool wtf
>>7905179bro is 1 of the 8 existing AQW artists
Vaggie attempt. Not happy with the result but had fun. Next time I need to try different things to make Vaggie looks interestingg.>>7905365Goatmi>>7905331Damn I realized I cant color at all. Nice coloring.>>7905269Lol>>7905266Roundy
>>7905376>>7905376Forgot to post
Little update, i think i will wrap it up at this point>>7904788idk, i tired to fix it
>>7905352I'll be honest, drawing is only enjoyable as an adult if you're already pretty good at it. Relating this to /v/ since this anon brought it up >>7905359, I would NEVER play a new competitive game as an adult. If I'm not already decent at it, I won't bother with it.That's why it's harder to draw as an adult than when you're a kid. You have all the time to get good so being shitty doesn't bother you as much.I would say, assuming you're an adult, try to get the reps of drawing in if you know you want to do it. It's going to suck for a while, hopefully just a few months if you have good instruction, but eventually you'll get to the point where you start to be satisfied with your progress. The better you get, the easier it gets to draw and the more fun it becomes.Anyone telling you that you have to immediately enjoy drawing from the first stroke is gatekeeping. Adults can 100% learn how to draw even if they don't immediately enjoy every second of it every single day.
Tried something new.Instead of getting frustrated that the whole drawing didn't turn out right, I thought about just zooming into the drawing instead and drawing that particular area. I think this decreases the frustration when it doesn't come out exactly how you want. I also disembodied some parts to study them separately. Maybe this is a bad habit but it sure beats attempting the whole drawing and falling flat on my face 9/10 times.Unrelated.Looking through my lip drawings, I'm starting to notice something very important.>Copy other artists BEFORE you try to draw from life.I know pros say that this will only have you "copy their bad habits" but how the hell am I supposed to know how to draw the nose if I don't know how other people drew noses? Maybe I'm wrong but I felt like it was much easier to draw lips AFTER I copied a bunch of artists interpretation of them. I knew what lines got removed and what was darkened and whatever. When I started drawing from life, I started to notice why certain decisions were made. Isn't this the same for everything? Hell, pros will tell you not to copy other artists and then tell you to copy Bridgman front and back, so which is it?Anyway, I think today's the last day I'll be drawing lips (or tomorrow). After that, I'm going to focus on noses.
>>7905377very nice
sketching way more fun
who the fuck just now said traditional art only here to practice art and digital is here to make real art?
>>7905052>>7905080Either you’re lying about having no experience or this guy is proof to talentfags that some people just have “it” thats needed to get good at art.
>>7905409noise
>>7905445i meant to say noice
>>7905432meGot a problem with that?
I already needed a break from drawing animals so i drew a portrait sketch
I tried coloring with pastel. Its so hard color small things like eyes. Idk is there any good pastel artists? Need to study how they do it.>>7905445What this ship called? Pomaine? Pocaine?>>7905409Ticc>>7905380Godtier work
>>7905456you gotta rotate your images before posting anon! Breaking my neck trying to look at it :)
>>7905459Hehe sorry about that
>>7905456gorgeous vaggie! the ship name is showtime
>>7905453yeah I got a problem with that I say it's the opposite thing you said digital is here to practice art and traditional here to make real art.
>>7905238It was a shitshow but I miss some anons that were active than. Yev and Firez at least got socials.
>>7905465What? Showtime? uh o uhh I don't question that.
Replying to the unheard. Your art is seen, and I love that you drew today.>>7904784Practicing your Bridgman I see? You are better at shading than me, you should work on developing a style to match it>>7904823You have the spark but your lines have a lack of confidence and you should believe in yourself>>7904845Yes you should, but great work anon>>7904853Draw more birds>>7905179Is this from AdventureQuest? What a throwback>>7905334Try to not just draw the lips but think of how they fit into the form of the face. Otherwise you’ll get to where you’re playing “pin the feature on the face” and won’t know what you’re doing wrong. It’s good to have structure to your studies like this but be wary of symbol drawing.>>7905399Whatever helps you improve is whatever you should focus on. I alternate between drawing from photos and other people’s artwork, especially those close to my style.>>7905454This is fantastic
bath
>>7905479good angel desu I like how her hair curls are reminiscent of eyes
unfortunately I had fun with a pencil
>>7905497eyyy coloring looks amazing!
>>7905501thank you!
>>7905509>>7905497Deercunt add a slutty Pomni cosplay to your throne alongside a couple of whorish heels to adorn your cankles and I will buy them for you as long as you take photos.
>>7905517the dream is to draw the pomni while in the pomni cosplay, someday
>>7905318But I need a gallery. You don't even have a name I can search on archives. How am I meant to cope?
>>7905523I'm really sorry anon. I made you these as an apology
>>7905535Heart emojiFavouriteOoooo see how nice that is?
>>7902646I made this. Just a character from imagination.I suck at backgrounds so gave up and filled everything in gray half way lol
>>7904122painted a few more apples since then, too boring to post. painted pears today
>>7905538ill think about it nonnie...
is her leg fucked up or am I hallucinating
>>7905562Way too short
>>7905562It is. Makes her pelvis really long.Try drawing from the knee down the leg and see where the hip would be. You'll realize the issue
Revisited this older drawing to try my best hand at it.
>>7905577Stop being a coward and expand the canvas to show both feet or you're ngmi
Can someone help me correct my faces? I have some expanding brain damage and I think it's affecting the way I draw faces. Looking atmy older art, the faces seem like they make sense but now they seem... *off* somehow.
>>7905581here anon
>>7905582If you posted them maybe
>>7905585gmi
>>7905586Dropped my pic sorry
I think i like to draw with oil pastels than soft pastels.>>7905562Her skrit wears both upper leg and lower leg?
>>7905607forgot the pic again
GENTLEMENI BRING TO YOU>EPLEET>OIGNON
>>7905623Stunning and brave onion depiction.
>>7905628Thank you, I'm hungry.
before bed drawing
>>7905623can i splurt my gurt to ur eple anon
I think its time to make a new thread
>>7905656with a non-dogshit op this time please
I dislike the new sticky
I CANT MOTHERFUCKING DRAW
>>7905668I can debunk this consparacy theory in a minute
do you guys want me to do the op collage again?or does anyone else want it?
>created because of inherent lag in drawpile for oceania scum>I'll try to make a new link every 1-2 days>big canvas but try to draw small>post your art if prohttps://magma.com/d/pzMXZVlEMz
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