ive found that i tend to enjoy creating physical art more than digital (not that im incapable of creating digital art, of course)i havent properly drawn in a "manga" style before (using dots of varying distances for shading) so i can't exactly gauge the difficulty of physically drawing manga but im sure its doable because people used to do it in the past, not that it would be easier than digital of coursemy question is though, how would one even physically create doujin works now? how would one go about workflow/station setups? what kind of paper would one use for their version of the manga vs what they would request their publisher to print on? what would expenses look like, and what would the workflow be like?im really curious about it all but if i google this kind of thing i would be at a loss since the results would be assuming im using a digital setuppic not rel
>>7904300>is there still room in the manga/doujin making industry for physical artists?Sure, there are still many manga artists drawing trad. Frankly, it's rather the oldfags who still do it, but I don't think that should be a problem. I rather see the flood of digital as an opportunity to make my stuff stand out more. You create manga like how it's always been done. Professional manga artists still use japanese manga manuscripts. You can buy them on amazon. However as a hobbyist, you also can just buy some other paper.I personally think the best way to create anything is to use a mix of trad and digital. Digital is very good to fix your trad drawings. You make a trad sketch of the whole page, then scan it in, fix the drawing, then print it out again, and then you can either transfer it to the final paper (with lighttable or with tracing) or you just print it directly on the final paper and color it or whatever.For manga you still should make a storyboard before all of this tho
>>7904310once again a huge win to hear about a nice process like this as a traditional artistdo you recommend any manuscripts in particular?do you have anything youve made? you sound like youre talking from experiencealso this is kind of unrelated but ive genuinely never asked anything on a topic-specific board before to the point to where i forgot that people on this site can actually give helpful responses lol ;;thank you so much!!
>>7904300If you watch that Manben documentary series of differing manga artists, you'd see that a lot of them still work traditionally. So much so infact, that the anon above who said:>Frankly, it's rather the oldfags who still do itseems to be incorrect, as there were a good number of youngins' working traditionally as well.As for the tools of the trade, and the process... well, just watch that documentary series: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Di09hohEbi0They seem to generally use the same pen nibs (never brush), ink and paper, if memory serves.One of the more interesting parts of working traditionally in japan is the use of the tone sheets/zipatone/Screen Tones, which you really can't find outside of Japan these days, despite their prevalence back in the day (though I'm sure there's probably one or two companies outside of jap that do make them).And if memory still serves, if you are a working professional, an editor would come and collect the traditional pages from you (for scanning and type and all that), but if you're a japanese indie, then you'll likely need to scan your own pages, typeset it, etc. but if you're familiar with working in digital at all, this shouldn't be difficult. Rather, the most difficult part of this part of the process will be the scanning itself, as you'll likely need to work at a larger size, and your scanner will likely not be at said size, which means you're going to have to stitch together the scans - alternatively you can take high quality photos of the pages, because a scan is ultimately just a photo of a page.Really, the only hindrance that you're going to find is that you're probably not japanese, and Manga companies aren't really looking for talent outside of Japan (despite the few that manage it). You can always make those doujins, and even flyover to japan to sell them at their conventions, but you're not likely to find much success in trying to break into the professional scene.
I regularly attend local comic cons here, most comic artists here that literally print their own comics for sale, Print their comics on Legal size Printer papers in Booklet format. Then they fold the Papers in half, then it will be bound in the middle with 2 Staples. Most releases are 20 pages. Printed in black and white, they usually use color paper for covers. But still printed using printers using pigment ink. I also work in a Print shop. We also made sure they can only print minimum of 200 pages and I bound their zines/comics for them. Then they sell their books different Comic cons through the year. I only attended Japanese Comiket 2 times, and most doujinshi I bought there are Larger B4 pages (I guess B3 pages folded in half) with Cardstock Covers. Maybe they have cheaper deals with the printers in Japan. Idk.
>>7904387>Most releases are 20 pages.Probably so as to not deal with paper creep too much. I think you can go quite high with just staple binding (well, more than 20 pages anyway), but at a certain point you have to measure every page for their dimensions.Could also be laziness, and not wanting to make more pages than the standard minimum for a zine.
>>7904300>i havent properly drawn in a "manga" style before (using dots of varying distances for shading) so i can't exactly gauge the difficulty of physically drawing manga but im sure its doable because people used to do it in the past, not that it would be easier than digital of courseThey don't manually draw the dots, they use screen tone sheets (plastic adhesive sheets with a pattern printed on).>what kind of paper would one use for their version of the manga vs what they would request their publisher to print on?There's standardized "manga" paper. They don't really need to think about it.>what would expenses look likeCost of materials.>what would the workflow be like?Grab paper. Grab pencil/pen. Draw the page. Scan it. Do whatever you need to do on the PC (lettering, for example). Then distribute it however you want.>>7904380>They seem to generally use the same pen nibs (never brush)Brushes are often used for fills or hair, but a lot of these guys don't touch those things and just pass it over to an assistant since they're pretty time consuming and these guys are on a tight schedule. But yeah the main lines aren't often done with a brush, though it's probably busted out if they want a particular effect or something. It's not like the west where using a brush to get thick, controlled lines is/was common.