Is soul vs soulless even real anymore?
>>7905202oda is permabeg
boichi is proof that the japanese soul is intrinsically anime, even in japan he can only produce soulless gookslop
>>7905203>>7905206The duality of a man...
>>7905216Those two statements aren't actually at odds in any way
>>7905202I think boichi’s drawing quality goes up and down, even during the same series. I’m not sure why. Perhaps he fixed things for the tankoubon releases.
I notice there's a Korean "style" as much as there's a Japanese "style." Japanese go for heavier, flatter symbolized features even when highly technically skilled (Murata, Inoue, Miura), Koreans always want to render the shit out of everything and bring out all the features semi-realistically. This seems to be an almost constant, permanent cultural feature at all conceptual levels of art. KJG and Superani did and do it, Korean concept artists on Twitter do it, it's even reflected in most of their gacha. They have to be trying very hard to imitate the Japanese to not come across this way, e.g. Blue Archive.
>>7905240Stonehouse is emblematic of the Korean ideal
>>7905240>Japanese go for heavier, flatter symbolized features even when highly technically skilled (Murata, Inoue, Miura), Koreans always want to render the shit out of everything and bring out all the features semi-realisticallyCounterpoint
>>7905302*feels the aura*
i feel like from experiencing this for pretty much all the years i’ve ever drawn of drawing other people’s characters and seriously trying to capture them is that pretty much no one can ever capture the soul of a character better than their creator. boichi’s characters would probably not be as soulfully reproducible/translatable for other professional artists in the same way. it’s kind of inherent anyway, in that the worlds they live in that give them their richness of background are penned in the same stylistic way, maybe. and the feel of the author’s style is part of what makes them who they are. just commenting on the attached op example, since boichi was based enough to not let that impossible hurdle stop him and tried anyway to interpret a bunch of others’ works he loved as a guest. but yeah. soul vs. soulless is sort of like drawing analytically vs high flying for me. on a very basic level kind of like how gestural energy comes through sketches but the more you tighten it up with only technical accuracy in the brain the more you lose your gesture and original expressive linework. not exactly, because you can have tons of soul in academic drawings and stuff which are really very technical, but just to give a kind of example of where i’ve experienced soul vs soulless might [only] tend to live in my own art. so i answer op’s question and don’t just talk about the interesting image.
>>7905202Both look great and most importantly reads as being the character
>>7905389just a little more on soul in original works vs reproductions: i thought of a bunch of examples where you could see more soulful fanart than original art, and where this would happen, and it feels like it’d be possible in specific works where a publishing artist heavily cleaned up their work to fit into a commercial sort of niche, deliberately smoothing over all the metaphorical hard edges, and sometimes, like for animation, cutting down and eliminating any off-model flair, like relining with precisely film-consistent line widths. another time reproductions could feel more soulful might be where the original artists worked in a very technical style, and there was no uniquely felt soul established from the get-go that had to be recreated through reproduction, so it would be easier to fill this gray area, because you have a lot more room to move around without conflicting with the character’s essence. >the difficulty of reproducing others’ work spot on in a soulful way really well is you have to somehow stay true to the original perfectly interpreted soul.(1/2)
>>7905429(2/2)it seems characters from artists who stuff their cast to the brim with soul are the most difficult to capture just right. so what makes the soul of these characters so unique?this could be for so many reasons, like initially, they probably, if we’re talking published professionals, have drawn their characters one million times more over the years in a million million situations than even their single most die-hard of fanartist followers.er, another reason might be that all of the subtle nuances of their design language and design choices probably came originally from the direction their art most naturally wants to flow, like if they draw in sharp staccato bursts maybe they give their characters zigzag lightning like lines [like a vegetta hairstyle might flow from this or something,] when doodling on autopilot from a young age. so their foundational design decisions were probably informed by the ways in which their pencil wanted most naturally to flow, these tendencies of which inform their overall style, [this probably being an amalgamation of their intrinsic nature and their melting pot of influences-] <their style of> which in turn is built up even more by the constant milage of always drawing in this way/going down these stylistic pathways when letting loose. these are just two reasons a richly established soul in art can be so difficult to reproduce. there’s just so much that goes into it. whoa, i love art. just typing.
>>7905431oh btw i forgot to follow this up>they probably have drawn their characters one million times morewith where i was going with this thought, in that this means they could probably draw their characters as easily as breathing with this milage in their pockets, so the expressive gestural confidence and understanding in their work which define the most basic level of their character’s soul would be produced very naturally all the time, and stiffness and becoming too-technical with drawing out of necessity would disappear.
>>7905302Shinkrio is a once in a lifetime talent though
>>7905302me and the boys
>>7905202his zoro is so fucked up, this panel looks like a high school shonen manga where a 14 yo gets bullied by upperclassmen
I don't care what twitter and /ic/ says, I could never hate boichi's art
>>7906074boichi is an amazing artist when it comes to anything except women, if you pair him up with a good story you can't go wrong
>>7905202Hot take: right is only "soulless" because they're not his own characters. Let's see Oda's rendition of Ken Kitano
>>7905240Koreans in general are just soulless vain people, more so than other cultures. They adopted all of the bad parts of western society and east asian society, never had anything interesting going for them. Middle child dynamic. all of their media sucks because they suck. some decent movies thoughever, a little campy but not bad.
>>7906074The better you get the more haters you attract.
>>7905202The answer you're looking for is trad vs digitalOda and someone like Araki's success is proof that the medium is 50% of your successBoichi stuff is objectively well made but you, and most normies can still sense that artificiality, the try hard nature of it, that'd the ctrl, layers, filters etc. the whole thing incentivizes a more timid, precatious mindsetThe trad inker HAS to have a trained hand and be decisive, the digital one CAN be but doesnt have to, he can spend in theory, infinity on a single panel without a care in the world, this is one aspect of what most people classify as "soul"
>>7906131Wtf are you talking about? Boichi's women are amazing.
>>7905202Compare the expressions.Guy on the left tells entire stories just with the character's face.Everyone on the right just stares directly at the viewer while looking sort of vaguely pissed off.
>>7906074>>7906168>>7906571these, i love his work, especially dr stone. i really had fun with all of the science and sf references embedded in the plot and should reread it, someday. his art within his manga is so good it sometimes made it hard to read when i was a kid, because i’d have to keep forcing myself to move past incredible panels i wanted to figure out for a while in order to not lose the thread of a very engaging plot on one of my favorite topics.it’s pretty funny because i’ve noticed that with so much of the very best manga,the pages/panels themselves, taken from pretty much anywhere within a series, are often a million times more beautifully worked than any promotional colored or animated versions out there for so very many series. this is a shame to me, because if you haven’t actually sat down and cracked open one of the books, you will only likely associate the said artist or title with their promotional images or maybe a pool of particularly memetic screenshots pulled from their animated adaptations that are all that show up if you toss the titles into google images.a great deal of people are missing out on so much amazing content, while kind of thinking in a bunch of cases i’ll bet that these first-available images are examples of what whatever series’ are like, when it’s pretty much an entirely different animal to what you’d end up finding if you buckled downn and let yourself immerse yourself in some of these beautifully crafted worlds. it sort of feels like when someone follows recommendations for a wonderful book by watching it’s pretty terrible movie adaptation, then speaks on how bad the title and story were, in their heads not really caring enough to actively distinguish in their thinking/review between what they watched vs. how the original book might’ve been different.
>>7906571>Boichi's women are amazing.the entire selling point of his artstyle is the highly detailed anatomy and intricate linework, the moment he has to draw a woman he throws away the groundedness brought by the anatomy for the sake of giving them oda-esque proportions and gets rid of any hatching for the sake of depicting them as "softer", it's basically him walking away from all his strong points just for an attempt of eroticism he fails at because he clearly doesn't have an intuitive sense for itjust with your pic, look at how low the eyes are, it looks stupid, same with the way the arms are connecting to the torso
>>7906899You wouldn't recognize eroticism even if it hit you in the face.
>>7906571>ayy lmao
>>7906947yeah his women just looks like ayyliens, he genuinely doesn't understand that the features he's using make no sense with the proportions he's going for with the bodies
>>7906899I grow weary of subversive pseudo-intellectual contrarianism.
>>7905240Korean manwa sucks. The art is terrible and they don't draw backgrounds.
>>7907024>he genuinely doesn't understand that the features he's using make no sense with the proportions he's going for with the bodiesNice roundabout way of saying absolutely nothing of substance you retarded crab kekCare to elaborate what your retard female brain meant, or better yet pyw so we can all laugh our asses off at more of your mental inadequacies
>>7907092why do you feel the need to present your counter-arguments in such an obnoxious manner? calm down, collect your thoughts, and try again.
>>7907094The only obnoxious faggot here is (You), calling Boichi's women ayy lmaos means you're either a female or female-adjacent (i.e fag) or a nodraw beg to low-int crab, in which case post your figures stupid faggot with ass aids kek
>>7907024>he genuinely doesn't understandYeah man, I also believe the professional illustrator with lots of celebrated work published doesn't understand what he is drawing.Mature bodies with neotenous facial features is the japanese ideal of beauty and this has been reflected in manga and anime for decades. His drawings are just a stylization of that ideal.
he should give sun-ken rock a proper ending
>>7906074You are a woman
>>7907412women actually hate Boichi because they think the way he draws female characters is objectifying
>>7905240Koreans mastered the art of anime aesthetic while adding more refined anatomy. They're a step above Americans trying to emulate anime, the latter who always seems to revert back to cartoon symbol drawing when making their drawings.
>>7907432Koreans, despite putting noticeable time, money, and effort into the craft, have only mastered the art of making dull, unappealing, and empty illustrations. This reflects their soulless society of vain losers.
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>>7907479>Kim Jung Gi was a soulless artistOpinion fucking discarded.
>>7907499Exceptions don’t disprove the rule. Kim jung gi was good and his art had character but it rarely told a story, he’s not even a good example to bring up here, his notoriety came from people wanting to be able to draw the way he does. Also he didn’t have the typical Korean vanity, otherwise he would have worn a wig.
>>7907517>these are the posters that tell you with a straight face that Kims art rarely told storiesHoly fucking kek.
>>7907562awful
>>7907562Nice picture of a girl holding a gun. No one ever drew that one!
kim jung gi drew 1000s of pages of comics before his art got so good he became an ambassador for just drawing. he was too good, if he was worse he'd probably still be in the comic mines.
>>7907684contrarian retard
>>7907688we don't sign our posts here
>we don't sign our posts here
>>7907688kim glazers are the contrarians, nobody irl will ever praise his art
>museum dedicated to his work
>>7907717>objectively one of the best artists of our century>g-glazerKek, malding permabeg.
>>7907832>objectivelyMay I see your quantified data?>inb4 objectively means muh feefees
>>7907835Name a better artist>he won't
>>7907836Kubo Tite
>>7907840>the guy known for being too lazy to draw backgrounds>betterLmfao
>>7907832Sorry, nope
>>7907843>ai>half the results are from people who make sculpturesAre you retarded?
>>7907842>but what about that shit nobody cares about Call me when Kim Jong Un objectively outsells Kubo, showing he's objectively more appreciated because he's objectively better
>>7907845>his pick for best artist of the century gets beaten out by people who can't even draw>I'm the retardDidn't think that through, huh?
>>7907848>salesfaggotryYou're a fucking retard. Why not say is Oda is better than both?
>>7907843I get that you're baiting, but nigger, Banksy is on that list. Do you really think "McDonalds-and-Didney-bad-stencil-man" is one of the greatest artists of the 21st century? Is he even one of the greatest graffiti artists, really?That fucking awful idiot Damien Hirst is on there too, and more hacks besides. Famous artists have the opposite problem of illustrator-drawgods like KJG, in that they're usually straight up hacks propped up by their name, infamy, and spectacle more than by their art.
>>7907852He is, what's that got to do with Kimchi Git being worse than both?
>>7907419>>7907489Yeah she definitely looks like she gets offended by other peoples artstyles
>>7907867cute
>>7907867aren't these creatures called chingochongo or something like that?
>>7906411Thank you so much for your comment. I wasn't happy with my lineart for the longest time and I can't figure out why. After reading your post, I tried to draw again but using eraser tools instead of ctrl z and my god what a difference it made. Really forced my strokes to be deliberate. The undo function is a fuckin curse lol
>>7907976I suggest you just try doing linework the trad way for a while, it is really one area where I think digital inferior with every considerationGet some good japanese nibs, I use picrel, some india ink and just drawIf you wanna color it in digital just scan and separate it from the white of the paper with masks
>>7907976Can attest to what >>7908116 is saying about doing trad for a bit. Did 2 days of inking in trad this week and while 8 pages of working with an unfamilliar and finnicky tool on the first day was overkill for my arm, I can already see an effect on my digital linework. Ignore the clear change in style, I started referencing the styles I liked more and more as a means of problem-solving so this shift occured as a result. Right side is beginning of the month, left side is from yesterday in digital after those 2 trad days. Wether this is a positive change is up to the viewer, but it is the kind of change I personally was looking for.
