How the fuck do you go from left to right?I can't draw like this... where you draw 1 extremely rough vague sketch and do layer after layer of refinement. It feels so wrong to me, like I'm not even drawing, just tracing over and over until it looks better than I could produce on 1 try. Is this how you are supposed to draw?
>>7905644If you really don't know how, just quit while you're still ahead.
>>7905644Thats how the pros and people that know what theyre doing do, yeah. Both in digital AND traditional.You can always do what I do and not use layers and just polish the sketch over and over until the end result looks good enough, /beg/ has plenty of good seats and delicious sweets, you can give us good company.
Damn, that drawing is all kinds of fucked up. That dude's a midget and his dick is backwards.
Man, you see the strangest questions on /ic/. It's like asking, "Why do people chew like that? You don't eat it in one whole bite like a crocodile?" It just doesn't seem like something that needs to be asked or answered, yet somebody asked it, somehow.
>>7905644you had to make an entire thread for this? you should have just asked in the sexual art thread for fucks sake
>>7905644That drawing isnt the greatest, lots of errors on the guy. Anyways those are searching lines, they draw a wide variety of deliberate lines to gauge form/proportion. The artist already has an understanding of the desired form if they are doing this, it just speeds the process up, instead of drawing one line and adjusting, they draw many and then pick one.>how do you go from left to right?seriously? you just draw it? its called cleaning up a sketch, not super complicated.
>>7905644this is how people who stream draw. they're zoomed in and carefully feathering in random lines without any concept of form of shape, then they zoom out and the drawing suddenly appears. HOW?I can only draw if I see the entire shape on my screen at once. And I can't sketch because if I can sketch the shape, I should have already drawn it. Thats like walking to the store to make sure you know the way, then walking back, then getting in your car and driving there.
>>7905644-rough layout-rough sketch-outlining-PROFIT
>>7905644If you're a beg, you don't. The person who made this could probably draw the right completely without an underlying sketch if they tried. The sketch is basically just there to block out the scene. If you are beg, on the other hand, you need to make your sketch as accurate as possible otherwise it will look like shit
>>7905644There's a second, third, and probably fourth draft before that final inking
>>7905652This is you just getting old, grandpa. Most of the posters here are kids with less than a decade of life experience. It's like bemoaning that kids don't know how to tie their shoe laces because you learned that 60 years ago.
>>7905805>Most of the posters here are kids with less than a decadenta but I was drawing better than that at age 10.
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>>7905805No it's objectively a really bizarre question. "Why aren't you able to instantly write a story with all the final words in place? Why aren't you able to instantly compose a song? Why aren't you able to instantly cook a meal?"Are these things that need to be explained even to teenagers?
>>7905829tiktok and it's consequences
>>7905829It's just a beg question? Doing a rough sketch isn't the first instinct people have when they are trying to draw for the first time.
>idea pops in head>doodle it with my fingers on my phone>open this thumbnail in CSP>draw a sketch that looks closer to what I envisioned on top of the thumbnail>refine in one or two more passes>ink>if it's something I really care about, let it sit for a few days or weeks>look at it with fresh eyes>redline it>fix
Try doing the left drawing...in Blue Pencil. There was a powder blue shade specifically for being invisible to reproduction, so comics were composed with them, and India inked. A rough is a tool and not artwork per se IMHO, a thing that you make to create the parts of the "real" drawing, one built with curiosity and care, learning by doing.
>>7905829>>7905652>>7905645If you can't produce a good looking drawing (right, errors aside) and you need several layers to get to one, you can't draw. You are brute forcing a result through tracing. >someone hands you a piece of paper and says draw>panic because only one pencil and no layers
>wtf do you mean how??? xddd>you just draw LMAO NGMI!!!!why are there so many esl browns on ic lately? op clearly understands the "how do you do it, literally", hence the op pic and him saying>draw 1 sketch and do layer after layer of refinementi took the question to mean "how do you feel good doing it", because he said "it feels wrong"either shitskins itt don't understand anything other than literal translation or retards just being obtuse on purposeanswer to op is that's only 1 way to draw, it is probably the most popular because its easier, its like having training wheels. eventually you can skip past it and go to a more accurate beginning sketch. though there will always be multiple layers in digital art because that's just the way of the tool, it allows such easy refinement you'd be stupid not to take advantage
>>7905644the secret trick here is line weight variation, artist is drawing the tits with a darker line than the shoulders and neck, so they look more noticeable.
>>7906024Quit being moronic. The equivalent with pencil and paper is sketching and erasing.>>7906027You are another moron. His question is dumb, like you. Sketching isn't "training wheels." Nodraws and begs need to stop proffering their asinine navel-gazing theories, and draw more.
>>7906024>You are brute forcing a result through tracing. holy shit you sound like the guy from /v/ who said fun is just a buzzword.
>>7906060No, that one actually made perfect sense, it's just that framing something that sounds slightly off as absurd can easily trick retards who won't think twice.
>>7905716Measure twice cut once.
>>7906024Guess Araki can't draw.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qM2vHahcqQGuess Kazuki Takahashi can't draw.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuWbzRZUPKoNow post your drawings.
>>7906024you got em boiling with that truth nuke. Construction is meant to be tailed to your specific needs and weaknesses to help you keep things in perspective while you directly draw. If you have to construct every part of your drawing, you're not drawing. Good artists have NEVER used this fake ass egg head with a cross construction, they just directly DRAW what they want. 99% of construction is made up as a tool to try and teach people who can't visualize anything.
>>7906024I guess the overwhelming majority of animators can't draw either.
>>7906185>construction out of nowhereWhat is this retard going on about?
>>7906036>>7906060>>7906190Reality is often difficult to accept. I'm sorry you're choosing anger as a coping mechanism.
>>7906185There’s no real reason to draw if someone hands you a paper and says draw. What do you gain by playing along? Theres an ocean of difference between the 19 year old /beg/ who will kill himself if he doesn’t have 100000 followers in two years, and the 40 year old 20-year-amateur who gives no fucks
>we're now equating sketching with constructionthis board needs to be cleansed in holy fire
>>7906200construction is whatever you need to help you draw somthing, and the line between them is not a hard line. It depends how much constructing you actually need, creating composition is also constructing in a way.
>>7906201You don't draw. Shut the hell up.
>>7906202not sure why you are so mad, definitions are not always set in stone and theres nuance to everything.
>>7906204>definitions are not always set in stonewell in that case,construction is a bad skill in oldschool runescape that i refuse to level
>>7906024If you can't, but you can, then you can't
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>>7906024The most nondraws take ever seen on this board it made wacumguzzler appear in front of you and try to shill you Huions instead
>>7905644Why did this post cause so much seethe from the begs?
>>7906024No rules, only fools.
>>7906185Kill yourself shartroon
>>7905645Fpbp
>>7905644>It feels so wrong to me, like I'm not even drawingThis is the attitude of every casual and dilettante I've ever met. I'm not trying to insult you, this is very common, and I'm not immune to it. I'll see some great landscaping work or a nice looking house extension, say to myself "I can do that, I bet I have a green thumb! I'm handy with tools!" Then upon inquiring a little into the process, I shrug and walk away. This happens all the time in the DIY realm.If you cannot bring yourself to accept and perhaps love the process, you will have difficulty reaching the level of a mere passionate amateur. But it's also easy to give up too early, too soon. So give it a go, make a good faith effort at the process. Frustration is often caused by early failure, and you may change your opinion about it once you start seeing some positive results. But if you can't get over this hump, then you should resign to passively enjoying the result of artistic pursuit, and avoid the struggle of it altogether.
>>7906570well he has a point. drawing is supposedly all about expressing yourself. When you go over your sketch to fix it, the soul is lost, Redoing something multiple times is the opposite of flowy free spontaenous drawing that people think of when they imagine drawing. People want to be able to sketch something and have it look good without having to make multiple passes. Artists that cannot make anything nice the "first" go around are living a lie. They're more like engineers that refined the process, they're fake /ints/. I'm one of them, I can't draw anything without multiple revisions and all sorts of cheat effects and filters and brushes. Twitter is full of "amazing" artists that just renderfag for ten hours on top of a dogshit scribble.
>>7907454Least retarded crab on /ic/ be like. I'm sure that all the old masters never spent more than 1 day on their work either. Or if they were they were polishing turds. Christ this place has become such a dumpster
>>7907454>drawing is supposedly all about expressing yourself.Taking a dump in the morning is also expressing yourself.Anyone can express themselves. But he's here to be an artist - someone who can do so with a higher level of effectiveness and competency in the eyes of others, or to his own satisfaction. If he recoils from the truth of the process, of the methods behind the result he wants, what more is there to say than "maybe this is not for you?">When you go over your sketch to fix it, the soul is lostSoul is a nebulous term. But whatever quality you think it may be, part of being a good draftsman is carrying that quality over to the final. That's the struggle. He's going to suck at the beginning. That is not the fault of the process.Or, if he's happy with the sketch, then leave it as a sketch. Just don't covet what you refuse to work for.>people think of>People want toIn other words, fantasy versus reality. We're here to burst that bubble, aren't we?
>>79056441. sketch2. lineart3. line weight
>>7907454>When you go over your sketch your soul is goneDo nodraws really believe this? Seriously? Gosh you should stop drawing then you won't create anything ever. It has to be perfect the first time. If it ain't perfect it ain't art. Fuck off. Go use AI then
>>7905644>Is this how you are supposed to draw?not necessarily, as long as it allows you to produce good results and its fun for you. If I had to make a lot of iterations, that usually means I have very vague idea when I started drawing, and had to build upon scaffoldings of constructions and adding and paring down of different elements that I had to struggle with, there is no guarantee that I'll get a good result at the end and it takes much longer compare to if I had already a solid idea in mind when I started.
>>7905644A sketch gets you 90% there, outline gets you the last 10%. Try sketching a few quick simple geometric shapes, like a circle or a balloon, then add the outline. The issue most people run into is line weight. Sometimes you want the ink line HUGGING the OUTSIDE of the sketch line to help the viewer see the edge of a curve like a shoulder or edge of an arm, and other times you want the ink line DIRECTLY over the CENTER of the sketch line, to help the viewer see texture or small details. Hard to explain. Try tracing over a face, or better, a cartoon you like and notice how line weight and outline affect the way the drawing looks. Try with different sized pens, even comically large ones. This will help you understand when outline should hug the outside of a form vs be used for texture or not be used at all. Sketches should help you feel the form as the artist. Inking should help the viewer know what is most important visually or emotionally.
>>7907474Idk, I think he’s mostly right at least when it comes to digital drawings or simple character drawings in general. You should not be spending 15 fucking minutes sketching out every stiff-ass geometric form while drawing characters. Usually that’s a sign that your perception needs serious sharpening. Go on a run. Fast. Do some math. Sculpt something. Fight someone. You have to force your brain to wake up and remember that forms have definition and movement and how your body relates to them in space. You don’t even have to get it accurate, the point is to be able to capture a certain feeling or visual, and do it before the moment in front of you fades. Then you’ll be able to slowly know what should go where by feel and intuition. We all have our preferences but nothing really compares to a rapper who can freestyle AND write with equal skill. There’s virtue in being on point and not needing your notes as a crutch.
