Was he the greatest underground comic book artist of all time?
to me he was a person without filter and didnt give a shit if what he draw was weird or dumb, some of his works are just vomit on paper, the others thoughthose were legendary
>>7913503>the greatest underground comic book artistThat certainly would be some Japanese person, not this guy. He is the Billy Mitchell of comics. Just a random guy who gets overhyped as "the best ever" simply because he is american, and americans are self-centered narcissists
>>7913506i disagree, he had the balls to show the public his vision even if it was sexual or overly race related, didnt sell out to compromise and stayed underground to not be censored even though i respect mangakas none of them really break boundaries unless they are miuru or toriyama
>>7913506wasn't billy mitchell a fraud that cheated and lied his way into the gaming industry? lol
>>7913503Yes.
>>7913503He's the only American dude I know that drew purely using Rotring technical pens, or Staedtler. His contemporaries insisted in brushes, the Japanese at the time trained on calligraphy nibs.yeah more /ic/ bros could definitely carry that crumb torch of technical pens
>>7913551We have boundaries regarding drawings, please clap>>7913563I fucking hate technical pens
>>7913503>Dude, I made a comic about sex, like cum, like cumming on women, haha. I also say something about the races, like jews or blacks or something. Sooo transgressive, right?>Dude, this is a diary comic too, haha, I'm soooo fucked up, right?Eh. I don't hate the guy, but I never liked his art.I also find a lot of the 'comix' scene, crumb included, to be pretentious, repetitive, and annoying.I quite like Clowes, if he can be considered part of the scene, but he also often falls into the same cliche traps of socially awkward protags and 'lol sex' writing.
>>7913576OP here, yea i wont sugarcoat it you are kinda right about the sex and race stuff but i think its important to factor the time his work came out and you gotta admit the style is interesting compared to other comics released back thenhim being a little goy pervert plus his interesting hatching really made his works stand out
>>7913551>even though i respect mangakas none of them really break boundaries unless they are miuru or toriyamaneither of those authors broke boundaries at all. and they're not underground authors like crumb. there's plenty of underground magazines in japan with actual boundary pushers but for obvious reasons they dont make it overseas very often, or even online.>>7913576bro it was the fucking 60s and 70s. dudesexlol absolutely was novel counterculture. it's only because of stuff like crumb's that imitators made it tired.
>>7913600i personally dont know any japanese underground author like crumb, tell me the ones you. know i like to look em up and maybe see their style
>>7913594>>7913600Americans will never understand just how much their culture has been raped by the comics code authority
>>7913605the famous eroguro authors come to mind, but i think that's only really known overseas because of the shock/taboo curiosity aspect.couldn't remember names so i googled it and came up with:Suehiro MaruoShintaro KagoToshio Maedaobviously there's bound to be many more, and not just eroguro. but, as i already mentioned, basically none of it makes it overseas. because it's, y'know, underground.
>>7913594>you gotta admit the style is interesting compared to other comics Like I said, I just don't like his work. There's something about it that personally just falls flat.No hate to the guy, he's just not for me, visually or literary.>>7913600>bro it was the fucking 60s and 70s. dudesexlol absolutely was novel counterculture. it's only because of stuff like crumb's that imitators made it tired.You're right, but there's something about comix's writing that feels exceptionally hollow without the novelty of being "fresh & new", compared to other works with many imitators.I also think it just wore out its welcome far quicker than it should have, given the abundance of 'Jizz Comics'-likes in such a short time.I'm sure there were plenty of none 'dudesexlol' underground comix at the time, but they were seemingly ignored in favour of the novelty.So yeah, I'm not looking at it in its historical context, but even if I do, it seems it was pretty overdone.
>>7913503undeground comix is probably something could excel at. Since it's only requirement is getting shit done before deadline.Like /ic/ could compile shit drawn by anons into some A4 size canvas, compile it every month. Then release it to PDF piracy sites just to get it to the other pirates that will hopefully used by random people
>>7913503its vaughn bode, but nobody cares about vaughn bode
>>7913576honestly the majority of western art after ww2 is just that>WAOW he drew a penis, how avant-gardepaving the way for the big opium war that was porn I'm sureI unironically believe everything after ww2 was astroturfed to fuck and the whole population got slow-boil mkultra'd
>>7913920Ehhh his stuff really looks like if someone was somehow horny for both Precious Moments figures and the Fraggle Rock puppets... not too surprising people don't fuck with it
>>7914155The history is that in ww2 all the americans died and their women became single mother whores who couldn't parent their retard mutt sons and then the jews and communists blamed the muttlets' behavior on comic books and made it so that only superman could be sold and only if the women look like men and superman always wins and batman doesn't kill
>>7913920Vaughn Bode is one of my biggest influences. A window into another world fully realized.
>>7913563Ethan Van Sciver uses Staedler. So does Robert Marzullo.
>>7913576>>7913594Considering prudism has been in fashion since 2015 I'd say it's still necessary. The sex and race stuff is funny. Even funnier when you know he's a lefty. And other lefties hate it for racism and sexism.
>>7914387>Considering prudism has been in fashion since 2015 I'd say it's still necessary. You're both right an wrong. I have been seeing s resurgence in more prudish attitudes as of late, but let's be honest, it's still waaay in the minority. Just look at this board, half the people here's biggest influences are porn artists, and porn artists are some of the most celebrated on the internet, and it isn't just because they're drawing porn.For better or for ill, pornography and sex is mainstream and totally accepted by the majority of the public, and >The sex and race stuff is funny.I'll just disagree here. It just makes me roll my eyes. It feels played out, and I'm honestly sick to death of hearing Americans talk about race stuff; past or present.>>7913920I like Vaughn Bode Visually, but he also falls into the 'dudesexlmoa' camp.
>>7913594>>7913605Well, the underground guys do/did, which is partly why they responded the way they did. All of them were fans of EC Comics, who were genuinely pushing the artistic progress of comics into an art form until the Comics Code cut the legs out from under them, that's a huge reason why all the undergrounds were about pushing cultural and social boundaries, it was a reaction to the comics industry being emotionally stunted by the Comics Code and the 50's senate hearings killing the natural progress of the art form.
>>7913605Garo Magazine was basically the hub of underground manga from the 60's to the 90's, then it became AX Magazine. Anybody published or featured in Garo is the equivalent of Robert Crumb and the U.S. underground scene. Yoshiharu Tsuge is the king of underground manga, and he has quite a few books published in English now, including his seminal "Screw Style" aka "Nejishiki". Also look up Yoshihiro Tatsumi, Hanawa Kazuichi, Sasaki Maki, King Terry, Seiichi Hayashi, and Tadao Tsuge (Yoshiharu's younger brother). All of these artists I've mentioned are now available in English, most alternative Gekiga manga has been getting translated and published in English the last decade.The closest manga artist to Crumb's style is probably ManGataro, though his style is more absurdist and grotesque and less overtly sexual than Crumb, but he also likes the obsessive cross-hatching and details like Crumb.
>>7914439Meant to reply to >>7913606 I've had a few drinks
>>7914427Bode's stuff is fun, visually, but it never goes anywhere. It's all cheap gags and sexy girls with no actual depth or story. The visual impact of his work is great, but it's very shallow from a story level.
>>7913563>He's the only American dude I know that drew purely using Rotring technical pens, or Staedtler.He now uses Koh-I-Noor Rapidograph 0/.35, this is mentioned in Dan Nadel's recent biography about Crumb.
>>7913551>words words words dude why didn't he just write a fucking novel at this point
>>7914451Because of the pictures next to it.>meanwhile on /lit/>doodles doodles doodles>dude why didn't he just draw a fucking comic at this point
>>7913503well known != greatestdid he even have a single good comic?
>>7914443That's a very Toriyama looking bike design. I dig it.>>7914460People raved about Fritz the Cat, which became a more well known movie.There's also his adaption of the bible, which some cite as one of the greatest comics made.Haven't read either, so I can't give a personal opinion.
i preferred is earlier work before it became extremely repetitive and ugly looking. His earlier work honestly was super soulful. Even though he hates it my favourite work of his was the big yum yum book. Also he is pretty old now, do you think he'll croak this year? >>7914213same here, the pop looking visuals blow me away. I tried to replicate in some ways but I didn't have the same skill to make it as amazing >>7914427>I like Vaughn Bode Visually, but he also falls into the 'dudesexlmoa' camp.like all comix people there will be a little bit of sex humour (which doesn't bother me too much since i like the girl designs) He also does scifi and fantasy comics, he is like if david bowie made comics instead of music>>7914443love the artwork here. Did you read any of his comics? its not always gags but i do agree it mostly os that. Imagine if he did some actual long stories, wouldnt that be great >>7914469fritz is actually kinda good unlike his comics now (which are ugly and stupid.) >>7914155Before ww2 there were artists like winsor mccay, George Herriman, walt kelly, carl barks ect
>>7914469crumb hated the movie ircc kek
>>7914480*he hated it so much he killed off the character
>>7914480bakshi wasn't that good anyway
>>7914484I can't think of a more suitable director for underground comix though.
