FUUUCK I BOUGHT A SKETCHBOOK BUT I SUCK AT TRADITIONAL DUE TO STARTING STRAIGHT TO DIGITAIL LOOKING DOWN AND HOLDING A PENCIL FEELS SO WEIRD FUUUUUUUUUUUUCK I'M A CHUD

>>7917674
It gets easier, anon. Chill

Art is the only thing left in my life. Not in a dramatic way like, "My family's car flipped over and they all died" or "My friends betrayed me", but more just, everything else faded into the background while art remained. I have one friend, and I can tell he's fatigued by how obsessive I am. Actually, I get annoyed because he only wants me to send him the cutesy easy to draw stuff that would get a ton of twitter likes, when I'm trying to experiment and make something really groundbreaking and special. And it makes me want to talk to him less, because he just wants to get drunk and play the same old video games he's been playing for years. My art style has never been better, it looks like nothing else out there. I know my project will be a massive success. Back when I used to daydream about this, it was exciting, but now I feel nothing. If making your dreams come true feels like nothing, then I guess I'll just have to feel nothing.

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an artist i like stressed that it’s important to draw what you want to draw and not just grind endlessly but what if you can’t even begin to approach what you want to draw? i feel like i need to study more. do i just draw and not worry about it being slop?

>>7917781
>an artist I "like" tweeted an emotional state of being tweet that does not apply to me at my current stage of the art journey. What xhe said made me question if what I'm doing is truly my own goals and aspirations or if I'm simply a golem with no inner thoughts of my own. I need to be told what to do, / ic/, so how can I degrade myself even more by calling what I draw "slop"?

>>7917781
How are you going to get good at drawing what you want if you don't draw it? The gitting gud happens when you practice it.

>>7917791
that's true. i guess im still in the rut of
>think of pose and scene
>go to draw it
>blindly end up doing the one of two poses i feel almost comfy with
>try again
>forget stuff like how does the torso twist
>wtf is light
>sigh and go grind more

>>7917781
To get started, just start copying basic objects from life. You just need to get a feel for how to copy what your eyes see. Then you can start copying the more complicated objects that you want tot draw. Or just start copying the things you want to draw. Do what you want. You can't be stopped.

>>7917781
>but what if you can’t even begin to approach what you want to draw?
Thats retarded cope, this is coming from someone who used to believe that btw, cause for one you arent a dumb monkey(at least I hope so) and you can draw several things at once. Nothing is stopping you from doing fundies and applying that to shit that you like.
Another reason why you need to draw what you like is because if its all fundies all the fucking time you are gonna burn out. I mean you CAN be one of the very few autists who only want to endlessly grind shit like Vilppu and if that gets your rocks off then yeah sure go for it, otherwise you need to remind yourself why you are doing the grinding in the first place.
Lastly the best way towards actually IMPROVING is applying what you learn to something new and actually challenging yourself. How else are you gonna "test" yourself and where you are at unless you make attempts at your larger goal and see where your at? You do the grind, try doing your personal project, gauge where your at and see where your lacking, go back to fundies, and repeat the process. I assure you unless you are painting the entirety of the Sistine Chapel whatever you are doing wont be that hard to achieve so start fucking now
>>7917825
And stop drawing like a pussy. If you are in the /beg/ stages of drawing learn early that not every scribble you put on paper isnt gonna be your precious baby. Push yourself

I think I strained some of my lower back muscles and I can't even sit in a computer chair comfortably anymore. I think those chairs were the cause. I can't even draw or do anything with this constant strain. It's getting slightly better as I am doing some stretching to help relieve it. But it sucks I just can't do anything or work on my project.

>>7917865
nta but good advice

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>>7917865
i'm that anon, thank you. i think the peak of what i want to do is this, maybe with fancier rendering and more focus on color and light. but overall my dream is just
>being excellent at anatomy and able to draw a wide variety of body types
>being able to fraud a few props
>having decent line work and expressive gesture
maybe today i'll try imitating this setup as a study. with you in mind of course...

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>Haven't drawn a single line in 2 weeks

I've started exercising to get healthier (I'm fairly skinny and weak)
It's not a bad feeling but I hate how lazy it makes me feel, like I just want to laze around, nap, and eat after

>>7917867
Something that really helped my back was going to the thief's market and buying a Herman Miller (Sayl, I think) a guy stole from a shuttering office.
Was cheap as hell, it's a taskchair so it's comfy to work on. Just had to do some cleaning and that's it.

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>>7917652

i was supposed to be drawing but i spent the past 4 days or so asleep for large periods of time because i naturally become nocturnal without regular college classes keeping me awake during normal human hours.

i killed my linux partition yet again and had to do another fresh install, which means setting up my desktop environment from scratch and krita acts like dogshit straight out of the box.

i drew just a little bit by adding water recycling rooms to deck 4, but i still need to add in the void space for those rooms.

>>7918013
I bought a refurbished Herman Miller but I tried and tried getting comfortable with it but I simply just can't with it.

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I doomer posted last thread about not getting commissions so I owe it to you to report that inquiries are flying in after changing how my prices work. clients i haven't seen in months are dming.

>>7918040
>i naturally become nocturnal
Is it natural, though, or is it because you drink caffeinated drinks too late

>>7918193

i don't drink caffeine, i was just born with shit genes and will stay up 40 hours straight if i'm not drugged regularly.

>>7917652
What's this pleinairpril tag I've been seeing lately? I'd ask the /sqt/ but thought maybe it's a collaboration thing

>>7918082
You made them cheaper?

>>7917674
It's kinda opposite for me. I want to make animations in digital, but sketching on paper stuff is somewhat comfier.

I always miss read the op a d get exited for a water color thread, only to be disappointed everytime

>>7917913
*slaps you*
Sit down and draw 1 line immediately

I can't draw unless I see myself drawing when I wake up in the morning. my body just doesnt feel like drawing spontaneously or on schedule.

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Going to start college for computer engineering this fall. Money isn't an issue cause I have a GI bill, but I'm concerned about not being able to spend time drawing and kind of losing a core part of my identity cause I'll probably have to do a lot of school work and work a part time job. My cope is that I'll at least pick up some software and coding skills along the way that might enable me to get into gamedev one day, but that's probably long off and by the time I finish college I'm going to be like 30. I don't really have a better plan though that'll let me balance everything out

I have an adhd lizard brain so I tend to draw whatever/random oc stuff, but I'm wondering if doing this is more harmful to xwitter growth than if I stuck to a fandom or cared enough about my ocs to develop consistent lore. Then again, it could also be bc I only recently started posting regularly again, though it felt like there was more engagement back when I dropped smth once in a blue moon

>>7919153
daring choice in these trying times but good luck.

>>7919155
My pieces of fanart of established popular character get more engagement than my OCs. I don't recommend relying on Twitter. You are better off building your base at Pixiv and DeviantArt, then announce your Twitter there to make your Pixiv and DA audience pick you in Twitter. That way Twitter algorithm will now your potential audience type and to whom to push you

I might be too retarded to be drawing.
For 3 years I have been drawing almost daily but never got out of being a beg. I have been practically stagnant for a year now and I'm hesitant to even get out of my comfort zone of drawing the same thing the same way.
But I do want to get better or at least I like the idea of it.
It just feels like such waste I could die

>>7919370
I keep buying courses for this exact reason honestly.

>>7919354
>Pixiv
Damn I had pretty much abandoned it before bc of how annoying adding censors was. I'll try your suggestion and go back to upkeeping it again though, so thanks!

>>7919372
I'm broke, I unfortunately don't have the same luxury like you do

I think drawing cannot be taught, if ay any time you start following a set of instructions, the soul is lost and the drawing is bad. All good drawings come from muscle memory and instinct. Here I am sitting staring at the white page like its my first time drawing, because it is. I have to draw something original that has nothing to do with the last drawing I made. Basically starting from scratch.

>>7919370
>I'm hesitant to even get out of my comfort zone of drawing the same thing the same way.
This is the main issue surely?

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I love my current relationship yet I feel miserable since we started living together because I can’t draw as much as I used to (I have no place to isolate myself for long periods of time and I don’t want anyone to see my art).
I really don’t know how to tackle that. I have no time to do vidya either. I feel like I am overwhelmed by this new environment and have no way to cope (which is by drawing). I don’t want to sacrifice my dream yet I really feel like a slave to someone else’s way of living. I don’t know what to do anymore.

>>7919475
You mean to tell me you have a gf living with you, barefoot and naked and you're not using her as reference?

>>7919477
Il a permabeg it’s super shameful when someone looks at my animu drawings anon

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>>7919478
Demiurge, why do you bless people like this wasting their blessings and not me?

>>7919399
Retarded nigger

>>7919475
You have to become woman punch.

>>7919475
You are like me probably. A creature of habit forced into a new situation and it's uncomfortable as fuck. I think you get used to it eventually if you don't kill yourself, usually how it goes.

>>7919469
Im also very bad at sitting down and learning.
So it usually geoes like this
>Draw same thing for fun
>Get the feeling I should bring it to the next level
>Open PDF of whatever art books I saved
>Give up after an hour or so
>Draw same thing for fun again for the next few months

>>7919475
draw you fucking bitch your girlfriend's not your mom

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>be me
>did acrylic paint when i was 7
>never touched that again
>resolve to try watercolor this year
>buy a 12 color box
>remember the RGB wheel from gimp
>pick my red, green and blue color to start mixing all other colors in the universe
>notice everything turns purple or grey
>see i fucked up when i try to mix white paint from fucking rbg

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>>7919475
Just let your partner see what you draw. I have a wife and I was self-conscious at first sharing my art and letting her see me drawing. But then I just flipped the switch and stopped caring. Rip your bandaid and be free of the mental prison you created for yourself.

>>7919475
You just fucking suck it up.
Worse case scenario you get constantly interrupted by whatever shit she wants to do with you at the moment but most of the time if shes you pencil in hand working on some shit she'll get the idea and let you be eventually. I've drawn porn in front of my family and after a while they stop giving a shit cause they know what Im about, Im sure who your with will be lenient soon enough

i drew another character that i will play around in my mind for a while till i make another character and repeat the cycle

as a neet I only have 2,maybe 3 hours a day to draw. But when I had a job, I'd be drawing ALL day on saturday and 2 hours a day on workdays.

Now I need to spend 2 hours working up the energy to draw and finding ideas and motivation, then actually draw for an hour or two, then take a 2 hour break doomscrolling and jerking off to recover. That's 6 hours.

I get this weird sense of urgency every time I start drawing, like somebody's going to make it before I will - no matter how absurd.
Then again I've lost all my motivation and keep my ideas hostage in my head

>>7920329
ngl that's pathetic

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playing a h-game for the first time has opened my eyes, I might actually get out of my drawing funk

I used to draw for hours every day as a beg. Now I can barely tolerate an hour every two days.

>>7920379
What did you play?

>>7920800
unison cord, it's not really high brow but you can customize the main character and the customization is reflected in every scene, it mostly just improved my self-esteem when it comes to working on projects and also it was really hot making a qt dark elf into a slut

>>7920861
That does look cool, I'm surprised they made customization like that work in a VN presentation. Might have to try it out.

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Taking a break.

how did the old masters make themselves draw when they didn't feel like it?

I'm pretty bad at drawing, but is the reason I'm bad right now because I'm "assuming I can already draw well and trying to draw a good picture with minimal effort"!? Maybe I need to keep doing "objectively assessing my current skill level and then pouring all my effort into drawing something beyond my current abilities." UOOH, I'm getting fired up! Gonna live as a hot-blooded artist from here on out!

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laughed at the guy who said he told gpt about his drawings at first but it really is nice to have someone ("something") that cares. it's just nice to be able to talk through my process about a piece, my fears etc. and feel "seen" and also that i'm not bothering anybody or boring them. man

>>7921031
dont talk to AI chatbots if you're lonely, its like pure fent.

>>7921031
retard

u have to be a schizo to draw. no sane person would willingly sit down and hallucinate lines and forms for hours just for a 50/50 chance that something nice will come out of it. And that 50% is being very generous.

>>7921039
gpt-xhun would never say this to me xhe isn't allowed to

>>7921033
too late man

>>7921040
how are you sure so you're not the schizo tho

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Haven't touched a video game in two weeks

I can't believe I fell for some online game's addiction mechanics, lost the first 4 months of the year to one game and I have nothing much show for it.
I'm feeling strangely fired-up now though, I need to get back into gear

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>Usually draw a bunch of stuff from reference
>Learn bits and pieces, but have a hard time remembering much
>Try out the method of drawing from imagination first, then with ref, then from imagination after a couple of minutes, repeat on
>drawing down the torsos angles i was studying end up being way easier from without a ref
>even able to draw it about 90% close the next day as soon as I wake up
it feels like i've been wasting my so many hours mindlessly grinding, but at the same time, it feels like i've made a breakthrough

There is no good time to draw. After waking up, you have to eat breakfast before drawing. After eating breakfast you have to check your emails and news sites to be caught up in this world. Then you look outside and it's too bright and sunny to draw. So you enjoy life for a bit until lunch. Then you have to eat Lunch because you can't skip that. But now you have to fap which includes at least an hour of edging (non negotiable). Now it's evening so you might be able to squeeze in an hour or two of drawing, but something just came up that you have to deal with so no drawing. Now it's dark outside and the day is already over, it's too late to draw. You have to eat dinner and then sleep early because you need le 8 hours of sleep to be a good artist.

I think this should be obvious but clearly not enough that if you are a working artist that you shut the fuck up on social media. Japan dropped like 1000 social points this past week.

>>7921615
>that you shut the fuck up on social media
How about I say the fuck that I want and if you don't like it just block me?

>>7921632
You're not a working artist and you talk big but I'm pretty sure you're a huge pussy.

>>7921662
I will be a working artist and I will keep speaking my mind on social media and you will kneel before me.

>>7921663
Hey, if the LARP makes you feel better, power to you.

>>7921678
If you're not larping from day one until you actually make it, what are you doing?

>take a break from working on piece
>come back
>want to plap
Feels like I've made it

>>7921615
oh no they pissed off the twitter trannies.....

>>7921540
could you post some of your studies? or some studies that have guided your own, never been sure on good ways to do this. so far i've
>draw while looking at reference
>compare what i drew to the reference, maybe edit what i drew to fit
>otherwise i just trace over the reference
>draw from imagination to see how well i did

what are some replacements for adderal if you can't get it?

>>7921820
I just self medicated with a fuckton of coffee during the day and weed at night and I have to say that life was not great.

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starting to realize my wires might be mega crossed, what does it say about me that most of the time I prefer to study and borrow style choices from artists I dislike. not ones i've actually spoken to before though that would be weird

>>7922040
You might be american
Somebody has educated you into hating things that are good and you have yet to question their intentions or even figure out who it was

>>7922050
i have both mommy and daddy issues, does that count
i don't really know how to explain it, it feels like it would make sense to borrow idea from art that I like but those are always the pieces I feel unhappy with, but when I'm thinking about traits or artwork that I found distasteful or disliked I tend to spiral into thoughts about borrowing those traits into my own OCs and such and it feels cathartic in an odd way. it's not like I'm thinking of how to improve on it, its more like I want to learn how they achieved it

maybe im just overthinking juvenile contrarianism + low self-esteem but it is probably not a bad idea to dig into uncomfortable subjects nonetheless

That's it, from this day onward, I refuse to be a poorfag.

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Another drawing, another "accidentally drew on the wrong layer" award.

I'm on my third year of drawing and it feels like I'm still a total beginner. Does it ever 'click'?

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>>7922156

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Found this old comparison some schizo obsessed with Gabe made some time ago lurking on warosu and looking back at it, it's impressive how easy to tell art skill levels apart so easily even when the gap isn't that big.
What do you think exactly makes right obviously more professionally looking and clearly more technically skilled than left? Is it the composition? Detailing? Anatomy knowledge?

>>7922156
I'm in my 6th.
No, it doesn't click.

>>7922256
>>7922245
Okay, good to know. I thought there was something wrong with me.

>>7922247
I think it's that the right has convincing forms throughout, it actually projects a scene while the left is extremely flat in comparison. Details help but it would still look better than the left if stripped down.

>>7920969
They didn't have turbo dopamine sinks like we do today so drawing was a much more appealing activity
Also the constant threat of hunger and starvation if that was your job

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>>7920955
Rendering now but sleepy

>>7920969
the plague and execution from tax evasions are good motivators

>>7922262
I didn't say it's normal, and I don't know it is. I am just failing more than you.

Bros I gotta learn to paint with left hand. Getting tendonitis when I go too hardcore.

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>7 years of drawing, interrupted by a 2 year break
>finally satisfied with most of my abilities
>can hardly remember all the things what I wanted to draw besides my own world
please take me back to at least 2016. it felt like there were so much more stuff I wish I could participate in.

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I've been trying to learn how to draw for years and gotten almost nowhere. There were a couple time gaps in there but never anything longer than a month. I have been trying pretty constantly, although there have been many weeks where I only did a few hours in total for the week.
It feels like trying to move the ocean with a spoon. Nothing I learn ever sticks. It never feels like it gets any easier. Every time I sit down to draw it almost feels like I'm doing it for the very first time.
I've come to the conclusion that my main problem is that I just haven't loved drawing enough. Every other complex skill I've ever learned, even when it's been difficult, I've had fun doing it; and that natural pleasure makes me sit at it for hours and hours until I lose track of time and I get into a flow state and I can actually learn things. But drawing is just painful and humiliating. I'm always watching the clock, wishing for it to be over. I think that's the basic reason why nothing ever sticks.
I'm not sure if it's actually possible to change this; I don't know if I can learn to love it. Most things get easier for me with repeated exposure. Drawing never has. It's still almost as stressful as it was on day one. Will that ever change at this point? I don't know. I'm losing hope. If I can find a way to make myself love it though then that would be amazing.
I don't really have a point to this I guess. I hope your own journeys are going well.

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>drawing something NSFW
>can't focus because of raging boner
the disadvantage of finally starting to like my own art..
I need a way to get rid of horny energy without jerking off. I just do some pushups/pullups now but it's honestly not enough

>>7922716
lower that pressure, do it now
I work a job where I use Xacto blades like 6hrs a day and that's what I learnt.
Also becoming a bit ambidextrous.
By that I mean doing -most- things with your opposite hand, and leaving your dominant just for drawing and writing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7uuBdjz63c
This still looks kinda bad tho

>>7922716
Watch the video "Peter Han Dynamic Sketching 2" on youtube and do the exercises with your left hand a lot-you WILL become ambidextrous

>>7921730
share wip bro

>>7923226
amen
I hope I won't repeat your fate

>>7923233
you're making it in realtime
> without jerking off
why tho? just jerk off and continue
or edge
post more of your things btw

>>7923337
that's not mine, ig the twitterDL filename wasn't enough of a hint, artist is @seitokainoana
but also
jerking off makes me 'eepy and lethargic I usually leave it for the end of the day

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>>7922156
Im at 10 years
It clicked at around 7 years. You'll still make bad drawings once it "clicks" but when your there you can identify problems immediately and be able to problem solve on how to fix them. If you get as obsessed with this shit as I am you'll also be repeating all the lessons you learned in your head constantly. Also you will know what your "goals" with art actually are by that point, and hopefully once that happens you stop giving a fuck about constantly comparing yourself to others works and focus on doing your own thing(this is where you also stop giving a fuck about power levels)

>>7922247
I would say its because everything on the right is purposefully meant to be there, there is no afterthough, as opposed to the left. Not to say that the left drawing doesnt have skill put into it, but its clear that the artist didnt give a shit about some of the details like the slippers or the books around her, they dont have as much care as the main figure, where as in the pic on the right everything was given the same amount of attention.
It wouldnt take much to make the pic on the right "professional" either, just a little more care into the props in the piece and finishing the feet proper.

>>7923226
Even though its a faggy art term you gotta find a "muse". The reason for drawing in the first place, to find something that you want to bring into the world that can only be done through drawing. That way as you get better and you can do your "muse" justice and you can feel satisfied knowing that.
You know its why fan art is such a big fucking thing, it aint just for clicks for some its a genuine appreciation of that story or character and those artists want to communicate that to people.

Can I say I've only been drawing for a few years if I only started to take art "seriously" last year? Before that it was 30 minutes every other month

>>7923967
if u arent putting in 8hrs a day like a job then ur not "serious" about art, seriously

how do you help your /beg/ friend when all he needs to do is just grind forms until he gets it? Hes always asking for help but doesn't iterate or grind the same thing.

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>>7922542
I keep going back to the armor but i think i’m at the point where i should move on to the accessories

>finally learn how to visualize things before drawing them
>now I just daydream about drawing to save energy
>visualize myself drawing and get the same dopamine as if I actually did it

its over for me

>>7917726
I know this is 11 days old but I'm in a very similar boat. I spent way too many years in my comfort zone drawing generic anime-girls-in-a-white-void slop that - now - ever since I've switched my studying methods and interests, my art has drastically changed for the better. I find joy in drawing complex backgrounds and environments, drawing mythical creatures, having my characters act out a narrative in a drawing, etc. And yeah, it's way more difficult than what I used to do, a lot of my drawings don't end up the way I envision them and sometimes I have to stop a piece I'm working on because it's not up to the standards that I want. But everyday I feel like I'm learning and growing, something I haven't felt in a long time and I feel that same joy I did when I was a teenager drawing for the first time.

>>7924568
How did you learn? What was the process?

>>7924578
meditating and sleeping a lot

should i get into fine arts or architecture

>>7924814
fine arts is a joke

>>7924814
If fine arts, make sure you network. If you're more of an introvert then arkytech.

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>>7917652
Years of drawing, yet I can't draw a single figure.
People are able to animate, yet I can't draw a single figure.
Somehow I am even able to do half decent copies, yet I can't draw a single figure.

Dear anons... What is the secret?

>>7924815
so is architecture

>>7924887
definitely not

>>7924892
Modern "architecture" is just choosing from premade preapproved prefab selections there's literally nothing creative left to do.

>>7924919
lol funny you had to add a qualifier there. argument can't stand by itself huh

>>7924885
Just talent...

drawing for me is like going in town to do grocery shopping. You can't "just go" there if its 2 hours away, its an entire mission that takes a day of planning to make sure you do everything you need when you're there. I can only draw in bursts of 2 to 3 hours so I need a REALLY good idea to make the commitment worth it.

>>7924113
Ok maybe i can finish it tomorrow. Getting tired of looking at this

Then my next plan is returning to the rest of my perspective lessons and draft out one quick comic. I think Tuesday is a good finish date for both.

The rest of the week I'm going to redraw a drawing, line it, and hopefully finish that by next Sunday. I think it'll take me a while because the composition is too busy.

the scariest part of art is that i'll reach the end of the year and i'll only have seen incremental improvements. i know the test is to try and finish something but i'm just so scared and i keep running into stuff i just don't know how to get around. wanted to draw the hips from a slightly above angle and i just choked. so i think okay i'll go study the hips, but i get lost in study paralysis because the arms were also fucked up. man i feel like a pussy

>>7925507
I don’t wanna reach the end of the year with nothing to show for it. 70 hours a week, no exceptions from here on out.

>>7925566
is this a joke i can't even tell anymore

>>7925714
I’m serious, but it’s temporary just to get through some art courses, then I can scale it back down.

>>7925799
are you a neet

i finished another sketchbook, time to move on to the next sketchbook :-) also my latest artwork got 2 likes happiness

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>art disc
>get DMd by a poster there and we chat about OCs and art for a few weeks
>"What do you think about this outfit ;3 Is it cute?"
>callously leave on read
>...
>few days later we cont talking about art
>few weeks just disappears from the server
Why are they like this?
Honestly kind of a relief, I hate people messaging me directly and expecting me to respond

>>7925883

Kinda sorta. Im a caregiver at the moment for my dad so I have quite a bit of micro breaks to draw. And since I don’t have to get up and go to work at a regular job I can afford to stay up late each night.

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>>7925239
Gestures

>draw without music
>start singing
I didn't know I was such a faggot?

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so much stuff to learn

I put like on a genAI post of a cat without noticing, I was just notified by Xitter. Fuck these stupid retards polluting the world with fake crap, I'm going to draw just to spite them I'll never give up

>>7924814
>architecture
This is one of those fields where you have to get out and meet some of the people doing it. Visit an architect's office. Find out what they do every day. If you're putting it in a category with fine art, it's probably not what you imagine at all.

>>7924814
Learn Autocad if you're going into architecture.

You're not going to be using photoshop. You'll be learning more about construction materials and costs.

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This board becomes so boring and pointless without any (you)s. Don't know why I still come.

>>7917726
Why do you bother sharing art with that friend then? Like I had an art friend in school but we both shared art with each other, anyone else just wouldn't have cared. Nowadays I just post public stuff publicly and keep the rest to myself since I know I wouldn't care about it if it was shared to me.

>>7919386
Nta but you do have that luxury. You can easily find art books like Loomis, some are even on ehentai iirc. You can also just look up what art techniques are important (in case you don't know them by name) then youtube "[art technique] tutorial" and there's so many videos for each type of subject that you will be able to overwhelm yourself with more art knowledge than any college course could ever offer you. It's never been easier to learn art, get out there and take advantage of the resources at your disposal.

>>7919512
I guess if you're having fun in your bubble of drawing the same thing over and over then there's no reason to ever want to move on from that.

Just use AI.

>>7921040
>sit down and hallucinate lines and forms for hours
Thanks, stealing this

>>7921615
People need to know what FGO pornslopper #83763783 thinks about the Trump administration and global warming

>>7922074
>go to erase something on the character
>nothing
>must be on the backgrounds layer instead
>must be on the first colors layer instead
>it was on the panel borders layer
It really do be like that thoughwhoeverbeiteverafterandforevermore

>>7924062
Tell him there's nothing you can do and that it is an arduous and lonesome process that requires him to work on it because he won't see gains unless he puts in the effort. Or you could lie to him I guess.

>>7925507
>i'll reach the end of the year and i'll only have seen incremental improvements
Welcome to art

>>7926294
You increased the amount of suffering in the world.

>>7919153
I studied that, forget about having much time for drawing yeah, although I think uni in America is easier, you may get some free time, though if you play your cards right you can get a nice job that gives you the freedom to draw, market changes fast but my advice is to get good and go into embedded/low level, there's no money in webdev shit and similar codemokey activities

why is that anxious neets who failed at life cannot get past prebeg after years, but millions of third world zoomers start out already drawing low beg and shoot up in no time?

>>7927022
you dont see the third world zoomers that fail
also an american dollar has 6x the buying power in a third world country compared to white countries so there's big incentive to make it your main shtick

>>7927027
thats a good perspective, thanks

>>7917652
Does anyone have any timelapses of paintings with this style?

All of my income comes from one client who commissions several images from me each month. Sometimes I wonder if I’m taking advantage of him. Based on his emails, he seems to really like my work and enjoy working with me. However, I often wonder whether he does it because he genuinely enjoys my work or simply to support me. He collaborates with many other artists and writers. From what I’ve read, though, his project doesn't generate enough revenue to be self-sustaining.
I’ve discussed all this with my family, but they told me not to say anything because it would be in poor taste. He's an adult, so I suppose he knows how to manage his own money, but I still can’t help but worry.

>>7927050
When gacha games do surveys, they don't listen to non-spending players, is what most people think. They listen only to whales. You've caught a whale. Lucky...

>>7927050
Nah, there's a lot of guys like that out there. They just enjoy using their disposable income, of which they have a lot, on their masses of OCs and that's fine. Known several of these types over the years and always been pretty good to work with.

>>7927054
>>7927056
I suppose you two are right. I started worrying about this again yesterday when he asked if he was bothering me too much and if I wanted a break. I took that as a subtle way of turning me down. However, as soon as I agreed to work with him again, he sent me another batch of ideas.

>>7926294
well
was it cute though

>>7927050
I had a guy similar to that, he wanted to commission me again immediately but didn't have any ideas yet so I told him to just not commission me unless he had something he actually wanted from me. I prefer not being treated like a charity case but if it's a main source of income for you and you don't find your guy's ideas to be a waste of time, let him spend his money.
>He's an adult, so I suppose he knows how to manage his own money
A common misconception.

genuinely nobody gets my artistic vision and it pisses me off, not even my closest friends. i'm so pissed that i'll have to spend years grinding away until people understand what i'm doing

art is self-expression. to have your art misunderstood by everyone feels like getting stabbed with pure loneliness

Creation, is a self-indulgent lonely game.

>>7928059
>>7928062
>>7928095
You don't deserve to be understood just because you spent a few hours painting some shit that doesn't make sense outside your head

>>7928110
we all know it takes years. we're not retarded, or 12 years old, we know this already. you're not being insightful

if you can't understand why an artist would feel brutal pain for being misunderstood then you're never going to make anything truly great. because your needs are met by the real world, you don't need to excel in art.

>>7928062
kind of a narcissistic take
art is self-expression yes, but you should find people's interpretations of your expression interesting imo because you can't see yourself outside of yourself, the only way you can is through other peoples' reflections

>>7928127
Nta but artists are narcissists. It takes a lot of ego to put your ideas out there and feel like they're worth people's time. That's why artists are so touchy, large but fragile egos (not to be confused with arrogance).

>>7927050
how often do you take the initiative to indulge in the stuff he's telling you about (outside of when you're actively making it obviously)? or is it more of a "you pay me to make this and that's all this is?"

>>7928118
the begs are NOT gonna like that post

>>7928118
Artists need to experience that pain in order to grow.

So,embody tell me I’m gmi or else I’ll kill myself.

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>>7928498
you're probably gonna make it

>>7928498
You won't do shit

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>put my brush down
>rolls away and falls on the floor and underneath the table

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>>7928626
I wonder what it could mean

>>7928498
fuck around and find out

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i love /ic/ because it reminds me that there are dozens of artists just like me with the same gripes and the same problems and im not just a lonely weirdo but one of many lonely weirdos. seeing other people's unfinished works pushes away the dread and worry about taking too much time with my own art

>>7928184
>you pay me to make this and that's all this is?
I suppose that sums up our relationship, though it’s complicated. He seems to enjoy my work, including the projects I've created on my own. I kindly reciprocate his compliments by praising his personal ideas and projects. However, the sad reality is that I don’t like his style or the topics that interest him the most. In fact, I often find his ideas unpleasant. This makes me feel like a hypocrite, even though I mention the few redeeming aspects of his work when complimenting him.

>>7926294
I don't get this, are you antisocial?

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>>7927252
It wouldn't have made a difference if it was

>>7928700
I want to talk about art with artfriends, not about some other dumb shit or play some e-dating thing
also I have walls made of steel hull, post behind 7 proxies, falseflag my habits and location, and strip meta-data off any work I link or post
No one is invited, but we can talk at the gate.

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>tfw only artfriend is a suicidal trans who doesn't really want to talk about art because of permanent depression

>>7928663
>and im not just a lonely weirdo but one of many lonely weirdos
Artists always think themselves unique when really they're just like everyone else

>>7928787
Dope pic
>suicidal
>trans
>permanent depression
Redundant

>>7928669
That's not complicated, that's just the life of a professional artist who does the work whether it's subjects he likes or not.

>>7928782
>It wouldn't have made a difference if it was
You wouldn't have posted that gif if ena wasn't a cutie patootie so that's objectively not true.
Maybe he was asking about it as a reference inquiry.

>>7917781
honest answer: you need a high degree of narcissism to actually draw what you want. Most people can't do it, because they do not prioritize themselves to the extent of a total narcissist. A total narcissist would spend countless hours on themselves, most people don't do this at all they spend countless hours on a quasi-selfless task, like an activity or hobby. They tune out themselves to get a flow-state going. You have to do the complete opposite to make art you actually want to make, which is exclusively fetishize yourself to such a vast extent that everything on the canvas relates back to you and nothing else.

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>>7928874
It's Blame. I'm reading it and saving some pages I find specially nice to use as reference later.

>>7929038
>stepping into an american walmart
Yeah I can draw that good, no problem. I don't because I'm not a nolife tryhard but I totally could if I wanted to.

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when do the slight rightwards leans in my drawings stop happening

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>>7929373
hotkey the flip screen button onto your controller

>>7917652
Sex with this maid

Oh shit turn on the news anon killed himself just like he said he would.

got 2 dray today got to turn on the tablet got to set my table up got to put on the glove got to close all my tabs and just draw I'm going to draw I'm going to dedicate an hour to drawing I'm going to shut myself off from the world and miss thousands of interesting things while drawing I gotta draw all day I gotta draw for hours just start right now just gotta pick up the pen and start just gotta exit this relaxed state and start torturing my brain just gotta get past the discomfort of starting an hour long nebulous activity with inconsistent results just gotta draw and not stare at the wall all day and definitely not have fun fapping just DRAW

>>7929452
twitter is not that interesting

i got dumped because im too good at drawing. im a full time artist and my gf barely makes any money off it and would constantly be bitter about it. like she carries herself like a master artist while being mid beg and makes nonstop jabs at me about how i got lucky. like the mog is so brutal that even her lowkey sycophant friends were glazing the fuck out of me constantly


i know it sounds like "oh i bet its because you're just a smug asshole" based on this post but really i fed her delusions as much as i could and always was her #1 fan but imagine the person you love nonstop comes to you teary eyed with inane questions like "why do my friends ask you for art advice instead of me" and no matter what you say they freak the fuck out

i guess ive finally made it haha

>>7929582
I hate that women always just get jealous when they learn of my art career and skills instead of craving my cock and giving me the sex they owe me like was promised.
Why didn't nobody tell me this is a faggot skill that only makes women see you as competition.

larp post above
pyw (post your woman)

>>7929582
phw (post her work)

>weekend /v/ drawthread got nuked
goddamnit

>>7930036
Didn't drawthread get banished to the dun/vg/eon? Last I remember mods were deleting /v/ drawthread on sight after that.

>>7930073
That's the 24/7 request ones, there was a separate thread without the drawbegging that only popped up once every friday.

>>7929599
funniest part is when i told her that i just work hard in response to "you got lucky", and she challenged me to stream my art to her and i did a few 12 hour days in front of her in a row. normally i work like 8-9 but i took this as an opportunity to impress the person i love and i hadnt yet realized how jealous and insecure she is. she legit told me word for word she wants to kill herself because she cant work that much.

i shit you not she even told me that im mentally ill and hallucinate time, i installed an activity tracker (at her explicit request) to show her and she would go crazy any time i sent her my daily time spent

she's the "identifies as an artist" type person that started at age 16 or so but she neither practiced her fundamentals much, nor did she draw just for fun, only some low-tier pornslop art for like 3-4 hours a week. i on the other hand started at 21 in the middle of getting a STEM degree and just spent a few summers on ic and related discords being shat on mercilessly, and even had my work torn apart by people i looked up to. like i really wish i could buy all of you faggots a beer, i swear the only thing keeping this lovely BPD creature from destroying my self-worth is the herculean skill-gap between us because by the end of our relationship she reaaally was going for broke

>>7930036
There's a new thread up.

>>7930073
>>7930085
The previous /v/ fanart thread got nuked because of Loomis OP. The OPs with the question "Do you draw vidya fan art" and OP pic of guide of drawing a vidya characters are safe

And yes, request threads got banished to /vg/ because of the 2 request spammers fighting over the remaining 3 drawfag's deliveries.

>>7930357
Oh that one, I remember calling people shartists and telling everyone to just use ai lol

>>7930363
Your wife must love you for your wicked sense of humor and wits

>>7929582
Retards think you don't deserve being good at something. If you are intelligent, you were just lucy and don't deserve it. If you have a talent, you were just lucky and don't deserve it.

Women are retards, so it fits.

>>7930365
She does but only because I draw her to

>>7930376
Cute!

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I'm honestly kind of shocked by how okay people seem to be with censorship of art and drawings.

I was talking to someone who was vehemently okay with imprisoning smut artists, but then turned around to defend furries and say they're okay.
granted she's a wack-o crazy woman but the fuck does a god damn Sonic fan hold both stances?

>>7930383
When you stop caring about other people's opinions, you realize what freedom tastes like.

>>7930383
>>7930385
When you stop caring about women's opinions, you realize what freedom tastes like.

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>>7930383
older people are getting more and more comfortable with puritanism as governments work their small steps towards censorship and the general state of the youth online and offline is that anything that seems embarrassing or taboo must be destroyed or cancelled immediately now that the ability to do that is extremely common and widespread thanks to phones and social media. you dont even need torches and pitchforks anymore, you can just make a couple of posts or even report someone to the police to make someone's life a living hell even if they didn't do anything illegal. doesn't help that dramatubers and the likes of kiwifarms try to rile other people up

anyway stop caring about other people's opinions

>>7930383
Welcome to society. The vast majority of people are either retards, assholes or both.

>>7930398
In 90s I used to think majority of people were somewhat smart and civilized. Then internet got more popular by the end of 90s but even then people with stupid uneducated opinions were shunned. Then when the smart phones came and the mainstream media started to push "reality" tv that glorified ignorance, something happened and people started to openly show how fucking stupid, ignorant and uncivilized they were and social media made it possible that even the dumbest and poorest people could easily get up on the stand with virtual megaphone and just yell out their opinions.

Now we live in post-truth era. Facts don't matter anymore. Education doesn't matter anymore. What matters is who has the most provoking message, who makes the most people seethe, who gets to dance their little monkey dance while pissing themselves while everyone else applauds their courage and balls.

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I'm doing very very technical drawing for my next illustration, and I feel like I haven't been practicing more important stuff at all. But if I spend 3 hours working on a stupid pattern I don't want to draw anymore for the rest of the day. This shit would be so easy in digital.

Guys, is it me or I just can't watch Youtube anymore, not even in the background while I draw. There's just something off. Every category of Youtube is the same exact thing nowadays to the point where even big channels aren't showing themselves on camere anymore and just playing a video then reacting to it at the end. Nobody is putting effort anymore. People keep spreading misinformation intentionally, posting old clips from Tictok and presenting it as new content, digging from the bottom of the barrel and being proud of their uploads. Like, you had an editor edit your video, look at it and say "yep, this is content :-)".

Strictly speaking with art channels, you got the course regurgitators and copium on the English side. Japanese people can't teach, so I'm not even gonna bother talking about them. Korean side is alright, has documentaries and people drawing. But other than that, art tube is dead. Youtube has just become this really bad cesspit.

>>7930460
I only use Youtube for listening music. I seem to remember watching AVGN over decade ago. Do people still watch things from Youtube?

>>7930461
>I only use Youtube for listening music.

Maybe I should just do that from now on. My account's algo was trapped from 15 years ago and I went and fucked it all up by watching modern creators. Hopefully by watching older playlists I can retrain the algo to just give me the old stuff again and just watch Korean youtube.

I haven't watched an AVGN video in years I think right around the time the other guy stopped appearing in the videos.

>>7928663
Go back to cat posting in the manor.

>>7930461
I still watch people enjoying nature and practicing bushcraft (not sweaty fake bear grylls ones) and storytelling channels for background noise.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3_OCMouTwo
How many times has he made this same video lol

>>7930461
No, people don't watch youtube anymore.

>>7930461
I also mainly use it for music. Sometimes I also watch crime stories and police videos tho. Or soem random shit.

Trello really helped me in organizing my commission task lists

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I don't even care about making money with my art anymore.

Feels bad being too tired to draw, plus I'm in a capsule hotel and have to draw hunched over. Got any advice?

>>7931052
sleep

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>>7931052
Also confidence in my skill is at an all times high which means it's going to crash and burn soon

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>Finally try copying from other artist like /ic/gods always tells me to
>Instantly learns something that would have taken me hours of trial and error to learn

/ic/fags, I kneel.

Next DTiyS thread I'm going to go all out and take the entirety of may to do.

for some reason recently ive felt scared to do art, like im afraid of making myself disappointed to the point that it feels like im having anxiety at the thought of drawing something, and i have no idea how to fix this

>>7932018
You fix it by just drawing.

>>7932018
You're making a mountain out of a mole hill. Draw with the intention to be bad at it. When acquiring skills you must take on the mindset of an explorer and cast all ego aside... and sometimes you have to sprint to your work before your mind tries to convince you out of it. If the best you can do today is prepare a subject for you to draw then do so, one is better than zero and it's better than wallowing self-pity. Action Alleviates Anxiety

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>>7926905
sysadmin here, is my job cooked or should i also get into low level?

>>7932103
Shouldn't you be asking /g/?

>>7932109
the pond that speaks is a river that flows
or something like that

basically, i'll probably get better answers from non/g/autists than from /g/

>wake up
>draw for 2 hours
>feel good
>too burnt out to do anything for the rest of the day

how the fuck do people draw all day? the older I get, the less stamina I have to do things.

>>7932170
You have to do more in order to be able to do more

>>7917652
One of these days I'm gonna be able to just make a new social media account post like 3-4 things and "wakeup" to 300 followers like I see others get to have. Been chasing it since I was 16, it HAS to happen.

>>7933464
That's never going to happen without a big dick account following you from the first hour.

Where can I find some art servers?
I was in one for quite some time but left when I was drawing less and wanted to be online less, but I'd like to get back on the grind.
Apologcheese if this would cause a violation of the advertising rule. I don't want to be in a large server either, I just want to hang out with other beg/ints

>>7933573
Join the LAS server in the /dad/ thread

>>7933584
No. They have houses like the /dad/ site if you want to compete with others and also a "hangie" thing where they draw together daily which basically aligns with what you said.

>>7933577
Way too big but thank you

>>7933573
Don't bother, artists are the worst to socialize with. Join a server for a different hobby you have if you crave community and if it's knowledge you're after, use the appropriate threads here to ask for tips and use youtube and google to find tutorials on subjects you want explained to you.

>>7922074
it happens pretty often that i paint on the lineart layer, but its not something that takes long to notice, fixing lines on a painting layer does get silly sometimes though

>>7922247
amount of detail and foresight

>>7922247
Right is overdetailed, left makes it so you naturally focus on the main subject of the drawing.

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I can't get into studying, especially not consistently. I'm almost always too tired and its so boring and nothing ever 'clicks'. I'd rather be doodling while listening to music or watching a (non-art related) video, which sucks because I really wanted to improve this year because I despise my art.

>>7933725
I studied despite similar issues, it gets easier once you actually get into it. The real mental block is that you've preemptively convinced yourself it's busywork and that you absolutely don't want to do it since it feels like a chore, go into it with a more open mindset and think of how you actually want to do it.

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lately, I've been thinking about how I would probably be a lot better by now if I had a muse. Something that i would want to draw no matter what. Like those accounts obsessed with a character or series and just draw that constantly. Sure, I draw things I like at the moment: like from a game, movie, or show. even then, I just move on to whatever new media i'm consuming, pretty much forgetting about whatever I liked last. I enjoy drawing and I have goals, but i'm kinda sad I have no obsession.

>>7933773
Having a muse requires to be around women. Beign around women costs money. Making money leaves no time for creating.

>>7932103
>old hippie commie
>slave mentality
who could have guessed

After spending months and months of only drawing with pencil and construction, I just noticed I actually can draw like Kim Jung Gi now...

>>7933773
As someone who only draws two people and nothing else, it really doesn't. It's easier to pump out surface level emotional stuff, but it doesn't improve your art. Especially if your muse is based on a video game or show or whatever, it's very repetitive and masturbatory.

>>7933577
is it cliquey bs thats ruined by schizos? if you look at the previous DAD thread thats what it is entirely

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You guys ever check out the kick/twitch art sections? They're crawling with proto-perma-megalo-giga-begs or V/PNG/moetubers that still make some spare change while showcasing their scribbles as HUNDREDS of 'people' just tune in, mostly in the cases where they actually are biological women or eerily femenine femboys mimicking women to nigh perfection.

I specially loathe twitch, you have no idea how many mentally ill tags(ADHD,ADD,WAA-WAA)gender mental illness(rainbow folk, safe-whatevergoeshere and derivatives) and similar sediment Ive had to filter out with the filtering add-on, it never ends.

I prefer kick, theres more soul there, specially with the 1-2 or even the zero viewers channels, not all of them but they do have more soul on average than the more populated channels. Do you guys ever considered streaming? I mean..you might as well show your stuff to increase your odds of gaining some sort of traction, its either that or posting on /ic/ of all places.

going through a period of frustration right now. i still don’t have a good human mannequin and i know thats because im bad drawing shapes. but i dont want to grind shapes in isolation because i only have so much time to draw during the day

>>7933840
>Do you guys ever considered streaming?

Pardon my ESLness, between the dyslexia and an overburdened attention span, it tends to show. Of course I meant to ask ' have you guys considered streaming?'..I really have to take more time to read/grammar check before I post.

On a different but related point, do you guys filter out a lot of tags and channels on twitch and kick?(assuming you tune in to either of these). Its kinda necessary imo, theres far too many channels that are carbon copies of stuff Im just not interested in.

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>>7917652
>2 good old friends sustaining their respectable lifestyles near-exclusively on commission work
>basically zero impressions on my first 2 pieces i posted to twitter after sitting on my hands about making socials for 10 years like a retard
>one of my friends gets me in a call while he's doing commissions
>"output and volume is more important than studying and waiting for the right time"
fuck my life, lads, im getting really old, and i should have been putting myself out there years ago. my day job is cushy, but i'd flatten a city leave it behind and to be even 10% the exposure of my 2 buddies. they're both fantastic people, and i am not envious, but i am severely self-flagellative over my lack of action