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me in the middle
>>7918239Isn't the other way around? Explain why, if not.
>>7918239Truthnuke, can confirm
>>7918243not op but I assume the left is far a more common occurence than the right since most artists are too stupid to get into something so non-visualso if you're in that top 1% of artists who can make the switch you're exceptional in some way
>>7918243Nta. Because programming is easy to pick up, especially in the age of AI. In programming only basics remain the same, but actual tools get obsolete and replaced all the time, which means it's okay to not know/remember anything at all other than the most basic theory, and google/proompt everything that is needed for actual work. And stuff like art require literally decades of practice of the same grind, and nothing ever changes, nothing gets obsolete or replaced, because it's literally all about imagining and motorically implementing things from your head properly, it's unthinkable to pick it up in few months on the level that is adequate to get decent results. So if you spent your education on something that can easily be picked up this fast it's kinda waste of time, because you could master something that's actually hard and then learn easy thing on a whim.
>>7918248Okay it makes sense.
pikat seems happy though
>>7918243If you're a programmer who can't survive in the industry you're a 60 iq shitter and becoming an artist requires having good taste in addition to intelligence.If you're an artist who can't survive in the industry you're still more talented than 90% of the world and you're switching to a field that requires understanding logic at a six year old's level and being able to spell words correctly.
>>7918239>Programmer So unemployed?
>>7918248Holy shit, you're talking straight out of your ass.>programming is easy to pick upNot in the slightest. Everything is a rabbit hole if you want to actually understand anything. It'll take years of fucking around to internalize important concepts. Of course, if following README.md gets you paid, who cares, right?>the age of AIAI doesn't exist. But a LLM can replace you if all you can do is follow README.md.>tools get obsolete and replaced all the timeIf you or your manager is chasing trends it's a skill issue. C is never going away. Vanilla JS never was better. Compiling CSS is a mental illness.The real difference is that with programming it's easier to copy a template, make a good first impression, get the money, and vanish. With art people have eyes and can tell straight away that you're a con.
>>7918340> Everything is a rabbit hole if you want to actually understand anything.That's true, but that's not really needed for things people get paid for as software developers.I've heard of countless cases where people with zero background in programming were able to get to the level needed at average jobs in few months.It started way before LLMs, and now it's even easier.> C is never going away. Vanilla JS never was better. Compiling CSS is a mental illness.Oh, I see. Good for you that you enjoy it as a hobby, but both wide knowledge and deep knowledge of this field are not actually used in jobs.You definitely can get better, more advanced jobs with better level and deeper knowledge, but mere basics will be more than enough for many jobs that pay well.And especially if you're someone who already has something else as their main dedicated hobby, this will sure make you happy in terms of employment.
>>7918243all the other replies are retarded and gay, here's the real deal, pursuing an artistic path in the current world is the definition of mental illness, it's in a way labeling yourself as a social tranny, a complete and unmistakeable affront to society's expectations of you, this means either two things, mental retardation or once in a lifetime kind of intellect, not to mention defending this lifestyle will at one point or another require you to struggle you for an unspecified amount of time, building your character, so on average an artist who pursues something more structured will most likely be both an intelligent, stern and most of all defiant personalityis it also that kind of personality that is an almost complete reverse of someone who instead drifted towards programming, what does such decision afford you? prospects of stable employement, requirement of basic intelligence and emphasis on vertical thinking. It is THE conformist carrer path, it is predictable, readily necessary and doesnt require expensive infrastructure or technology for practicing which widens the reservoir of new possible employeeswhen the latter tries to become the former, it hits a brick wall, what it experiences through the ensuing begginer period of fascination is a complete and utter darkness, a programmer's mind trying to tackle something so subjective, so amorphous, so human and so in the eyes of society, useless meets itself with such a level of repulsion and disgust that the only way he could possibly march onwards is by inventing endless new copes, this is, in some way presently visible in the adaption, or trials and its' failure after failure, of AI into visual arts, make no mistake, this is nothing but a vertical thinker's cope, a cry for help being met with the defeaning primordial metaphysical silence
>>7918375ON THE OTHER HAND, you have the artist, broken, raped by all facets of society, disgruntled, possibly making a name for himself in some way, with an irrevocable chip on his shoulder, knowing full well the path he chose for himself is that of a recluse, a retarded ape, were he to be one of the few lucky ones to be of an artistic mind with an IQ above a 100, he'd find in programming, in its'predictable guidelines, in its' concrete syntax, in its' necessary rigor, a newly found source of vital reposeFinally, no more endless meandering, all these years spent doubt your every thought and gesture, all these years spent on thankless, sometimes myopic, almost solipsistic labour, carving out that tiny speck of human consciousness only known to yourself and noone else. After all of that you find out there is a difference side to this coin, or more aptly, a mirror, quite similar, yet reversed, here comes the digital world of bits, with its set in stone yet perfectly fluid mode of revelation, you feel like discovering your never before met soulmate, your consciousness finally starting to feel like something approaching completeness, compared the programmer, ironically enough, you absorb all of its contents with almost childlike wonder and easy, in a way it really does feel like learning how to ride a bike for the first time, the structure it provides to your mind and soul makes you want to consume it whole, devour all of its documentations, in a roundabout way it reminds more succinctly than anything else in your whole life why you chose art in the first place, to discover yourself, and by extension the universe as a whole
>>7918239I think it’s more lucrative and intellectually engaging to be an artist in 2026 than a progrummer tbhdesuthoughever. And honestly does it really matter? Everything seems to be controlled by smarmy stuck up weirdos and backstabbing assholes anyways.
>>7918289funny thing is writing is the same. People who write and try to draw have a much harder time than people who draw and try to write. Because drawing is a more complex form of writing.
>>7918340Programming is easy to pick up. It's logicalDrawing is very hard to pick up as the logic to mastering it goes against your direct intuition. Like symbol drawings.
>>7918378Why did you proompt this much? Are you really ass fucked by being the faggot on the left?
>>7918239i tried doing both at the same time....and i failed so i decide to put my focus on drawing and i'm honestly suprise that you guys consider it harder than programming
>>7918340>>7918365yeah the reality is just that the average programming skill even among the highest paid is very low.Unless you work highly specialized consulting, research or R&D, paid programming is, unfortunately, mostly just playing plumber for libraries and frameworks. Even if silicon valley fags love to pretend otherwise. That is also why they are so enamored by AI.
>>7918482if it's so easy, why aren't you working in SV making bank?
>>7918375just described my life as an artist with a love of science
>>7918484I'm very content with my job, how much I make and where I live.In order for some Silicon Valley job to be an upgrade it'd have to offer an unrealistic increase in pay.Also I think you are generally overestimating what an average high paying tech job over there gets you, especially after housing and living costs.And the job being easy doesn't mean it is easy to get the job.
>>7918239i draw when i need a mental break from work. i find understanding form and perspective is way easier than understanding view and projection matrices. writing a software renderer was like psychically dry-heaving for three days straight. everybody is different etc but i find programming way more challenging in general. when i first learned about the y combinator it made me feel dumber than i have ever felt at any other point in my life. haskell in general makes me feel like a total brainlet. drawing something without all the math is relaxing for me.
>>7918540> i find understanding form and perspective is way easier than understanding view and projection matricesYeah, maybe, but in programming you only need to understand it once to use, actually you can even use it even without understanding in many cases, and in art, you don't even need to understand it, you need to grind actual skill of using it, and you need to grind it a lot. Programming actually kinda goes hard to ensure "as little craft as possible", there are so many apis, tech stacks, and they change so fast, it is very rare to go two days in a row without having to use something new you don't have any experience with. Imagine if you had to draw in new technique and with new brushes every day, and in programming this is a norm. In programming it is a norm that you won't ever get too familiar with any tools you use, because that will change too fast for it to be possible. It's not literally days, it's sometimes up to years, but it's even better when it's less, because everything is inevitably obsolete and proper mindset is to optimize your brain to be comfortable with using everything once and then throwing it away, because it will still happen in weeks / months / a year or two at most, depending on particular piece of tech in question. Memorizing and getting used to means cluttering your brain with things that will inevitably be abandoned and replaced.
>>7918583You're not describing programming, you're describing product delivery. As a role this is more analogous to an inbetweener or clean-up artist in those Korean anime sweatshops. Actual programming as a craft transfers pretty well between domains.
>>7918588> Actual programming as a craft transfers pretty well between domains.That "actual programming" you're talking about is some basic principles, a bit of theory. It doesn't take long to get familiar with them.This is what I was referencing as "In programming only basics remain the same" in my first post itt: >>7918248It can be a bit less or more depending on domain (you will need some linear algebra in graphics programming for example), but most of this stuff is one-time affair.It's the knowledge of the tier of shading sphere: you wrap your head around it once and it stays the same. It is theory, not craft.
>>7918598I dunno I've seen plenty of people who've been programming for years and still don't actually know how to model a problem because they can't see the structures under the surface or lack the vocabulary for it. Just like artists who can churn out repetitive work but crumble when they have to step out of their comfort zone. It's all about internalizing the fundamentals and it's the same in any craft, for most people it takes a lot of intentional study and practice to get there. On the other hand, if you just want to get paid you can speedrun a particular niche and stay in it.
>>7918239can't the Sad programmer-turned-artist just use AI? what the fuck lmao skill issue
>>7918390They are both creative jobs, so both fucked over by AI. This is just the beginning,
>>7918478Depends on where your natural talents are. I have a very logical/verbal brain, programming was easy for me and drawing is an immense struggle.
>>7918583Holy buzzwords
>>79186202 more weeks
>>7918239I'm making a video game lolSo I'm on the right. Lol shits so easy.
>>7918375https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yshNnrMsofU
>>7918239As someone who does both drawing is def way harder. Being a big brain programmer is also very hard but I feel like I am IQ capped from being the next Linux Torvalds and unlike programming art is actually fun to grind.
is there no profitable combination of the two besides gamedev? how many devs do we have on /ic/?
>>7918375This post is AI
>>7918478It's all about talent
>>7918243artists make 0 money so for a programmer to give up on their salary to pursue a dream they know will not bear any fruit is just misery.wheres artists who went into programming feel like they progressed and as such don't really feel bad about it.
What a shit thread. Janny must be in a coma.
>>7918620Saar you get fuck by ai saar you bloody bastard. Your career saar? In the gange river with the holy cows and all the other garbage saar.
