Why do so many anons hate the idea of doing art as a career these days? Didn't this board start out as primarily for aspiring concept artists?I have never seen good work come for a "hobbyists" they almost never commit to it.
Working as an artist in the industry isn’t very realistic right now. The few jobs that are left probably won’t go to someone who needs a steady income. Creating your own content and connecting directly with fans through crowdfunding and donations is your only option. Nobody is hiring artists.Open a Patreon and draw dickgirls.
>>7922302Good enough for me, desu
I'm not good enough to get a job or chase patreonbux but when I see all those dudes making several thousand a month drawing one thing a week it definitely seems a lot more chill than what an industry artist would need to do for the same pay.
I think you're delusional, catfag.I see tons of "hobbyists" with incredible work on social media, but only a small percentage are making it a career, and an even smaller percentage of that are managing to balance professional life with having a soul. The fact of the matter is, being pro seems to have little to do with the quality of one's art, and can even hinder creativity and enthusiasm.If anything I would advise learning artists to worry more about making a single piece of art worth a damn before worrying about making money off it. We could use a little less trash-slop in these times we find ourselves in.
>>7922294How many good artists are out there? Tens of thousands, at least. How many of them are making liveable amounts of money from their art? Very few. Even if your art is good, that's no guarantee you'll get hired, and if you don't you'll have to rely on commissions and donations, which requires a reputation, which without marketing is borderline impossible to build except by luck. If a few of your posts get popular you can easily snowball from there, but that requires a few of your posts to get popular in the first place, and no amount of quality can manipulate the algorithm.
>>7922294art was never good as career
>>7922294>Why do so many anons hate the idea of doing art as a career these daysYou're trying to understand how losers think.Zoomers are a failed generation and have complete loser mentalities, don't look deeper because because there isn't anything deep, they're losers through and through.
>>7922334>I see tons of "hobbyists" with incredible workpost 10
>>7922358Random guy with 4.8k followers who showed up my feed the other day, who describes himself as "practicing drawing for the first time." And this isn't even the tippy-top or anything, this is like "very good for social media," not a generational talent or someone pushing boundaries or anything - which you can also find.I could go on and find 9 more but there is no point. You have to be a real chucklehead to think this is rare.
>>7922294Because you can't really sell the rockstar artist image anymore. Your idols get paid about as much as an Arby's shift manager and everyone you're going to be working with sucks. The citadel is high and there are no keys. CConsider 5his more ominous possibility, chances are anything you like is a gay nigger reboot. Chances are you'll be fired for following the wrong people on twitter. AAA is not worth the squeeze anymore, and I would rather my own IP or merely be a hobbyist.
>>7922397lol retardlurk before posting
>>7922405seethe, beggie
>>7922397>trace photo >Clip Studio anime face .jpg>tehee I'm 12 years old btw xDPixiv is full of these people.
>>7922324I make money on patreon (not a lot, but more than I thought I would, I basically cover rent and that's it) and I feel like I have to draw every day or else people will leave. I'm still jealous of those artists that barely draw the same thing once a week while I'm trying to constantly be original and outdo myself.
>>7922397>practicing drawing for the first timeThat's some chinkspeak MTL, retard, it doesn't mean he's a hobbyist, he was already drawing like this in 2023 and probably just nuked some other account since he's a chink drawing degenerate zoophilia and hunted by the CCPhttps://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/105703336
>>7922416yet another 4chan unc mind broken by young talent on the interwebs
>>7922419Where do you see this guy earning money? If you don't see him doing pro work, then shut up. It is not unusual to find skilled artists who are not doing art as a career.
>>7922427>after deleting many online platforms...Confirmed for an account nuking chink lmao.>n-noooooo he's not doing work on accounts without illegal porn nooooooook retard
>>7922431So you got nothing. Got it.
>>7922397>describes himself as "practicing drawing for the first time."If you paste that into google translate, it says>A beginner drawing student! EN/JP/CN no AI/Commercial/Unauthorized reproductionSince he already had a competent original illustration on pixiv 15 months before creating that account, we know he's bullshitting for engagement. 0/10 so far
>>7922465The point is that he is not a professional, dumbass. Holy shit.
>>7922465Chinese LLM says it's written in a scholarly old-fashioned style to indicate irony or humility/self-deprecation.
>>7922466>h-he's a hobbyist!According to your asshole. Prove it, otherwise you're 0/10, copecuck
hobbyist
>incredible work>coomslop on white background AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHHAHAHA
>>7922494hobbyist
>>7922497takes "commissions" apparently but let's be real, hobbyist
>>7922494embarrassing
>>7922498>I know tons of hobbyist >runs out of them by post 3oof
>>7922498Going through my likes"aspiring animator""low activity"Honestly if I posted all the dudes making less than 30 bucks a month on it, you'd really get your filthy asshole blown the fuck out but I think I've made my point. Now shut the hell up and go draw.
>>7922502>aspiring animatorso...not a hobbyist
>>7922503Do you know what "aspiring" means, Jimenez? I'm an "aspiring" astronaut. Check my wikipedia page.
>>7922504very informative, thank you, pingpong
>>7922504You're conflating "hobbyist" with "amateur", ESL-kun. Someone aspiring to be an animator is an amateur, not a hobbyist. Being an aspiring astronaut would mean you are pursuing it as a career. OP literally says it>Why do so many anons hate the idea of doing art as a career these days? Didn't this board start out as primarily for aspiring concept artists?and then contrasts it to hobbyists>I have never seen good work come for a "hobbyists" they almost never commit to it.Learn English.
>>7922498Only thing you've posted that's actually good and it's someone earning money lol
>>7922347it was great in the 40s to the 70s
>>7922514Look, nigger. Here is the uncomfortable reality you don't want to accept: the vast majority of artists living, the vast majority of artists who have ever lived - didn't make a penny on their art. Okay, maybe they made less than 100-1000 USD in their lifetime. I'm talking about skilled artists, too.You can twist the facts as much as you want, but there ARE provable, demonstrable skilled hobbyists (and amateurs, whatever you want to call it) who are not earning money from their art regularly enough to call it a career, and may even be content with that.I can "wanna be" anything, it means jackshit until I have been hired and paid to do a job, and have made a living at it for some time.Now eat shit.
>>7922517You know what's funny? You're a permabeg.
>>7922519>that postI can smell the SEAnigger on you.
>>7922502I fully agree with you. Idk why OP is samefagging. There are thousands, tens of thousands, a hundred thousand artists who would be potential prospects in a good economy or during art industry's heyday.Not even pro artists with 10+ years of experience can find work right now. Entertainment industry is doing mass layoffs all the time.
>>7922519That's still not what hobbyist means, ESL-kun.
>>7922519what the fuck are you talking about lmaoart as a hobby wasn't even a thing until like 200 years ago, fucking vermeer bankrupted himself buying pigment
>>7922527People have been drawing and making art since the fucking Ice Age. A lot of it hasn't come down to us necessarily, most art is not archival and most people were not famous. God you're stupid.
>>7922528>my girlfriend goes another schoolmay we see the hobbyist art?
>>7922519>donde es la biblioteca, fellow anglos
If anyone's interested read this book it's about why most creative children rarely grow up to be creative professionals, it requires discipline and grit and grinding your weak points, nothing else.https://ia801606.us.archive.org/1/items/FRENCHPDF.COMTalentIsOverrated/FRENCHPDF.COM%20Talent%20is%20Overrated.pdf
>>7922538Yeah sure, Tiger Woods isn't talented lol
>>7922538>heh, I know how to become one of the best in anything, buy my book to find out!What skill has he mastered with this amazing knowledge?
>>7922538>At age three, he shot a 48 over nine holes at the Navy course. >A 48 for 9 holes corresponds roughly to a 24–28 handicap. Approximately 40–50% of golfers who maintain a registered handicap are at or below this levelsure sounds like an average person grinding his weak points
>>7922538youre an idiot if you try to be 'world class' at your job that just means you get overworked. People tend to excel at their hobbies because they like them.
>>7922559Right, that's why the best people in their fields are hobbyists oh wait no, that's retarded
>>7922562The difference is time moron, and the statement was relative.
>>7922563>Look mom, I'm excelling because I enjoy drawing! >I-I mean relative to not actually drawing because I have to work!
>>7922564dont enjoy drawing see how far that gets you.
>>7922568>I enjoy drawing so much I'm gonna do it less so I can excel relative to being a shitteryeah, ok
>>7922570youre literally so mad that you are just arguing with yourself. Go draw, im going to sleep.
>>7922571yeah, i wouldn't expect you to go draw lol
>>7922339I still don't understand why all of this has to be online. Why can't you just go to galleries and do exhibitions like a normal person?
>>7922347Retard, it was the only thing that you could get some money to survive purely based on merit, before AI.
>>7922294>Why do so many anons hate the idea of doing art as a career these days?This goes for every single job. You like it until it becomes a souless job (in the case of art, maybe you are forced to use AI, which to me would be like a Circle of Hell).They would like to freelance, but this is not always possible as you are going to be poor and miss a lot of work benefits...Unless you are in a third world. In that case, you are going to shit on the people in middle class, and have a rich life.>Didn't this board start out as primarily for aspiring concept artists?There are a lot of people with different goals, and every year there are new people.
>>7922576There are a limited number of galleries and they won't accept everyone.
>>7922294It seems like a lot of butt hurt crabs. They became hobbyists because they became demotivated from recent happenings, and now they expect everyone else to give up on their dream too.It also seems like a lot of anons on this site simply don't have a clue how to go about pursuing art as a career on this site, outside of drawing porn and opening a patreon... and sure that's one way to go about it, but it's a niche way that's not for everyone. Types of work that require even a little interpersonal communication skills seems completely ignored (or more like avoided).I'm just surprised that even suggesting treating this as a hobby until you make it seems frowned upon now... well, less competition for us, I guess.
>>7922551I seem to recall he was heavily pushed by his family and father, no? So he's talented sure, but also was putting in the effort that is suggested in the book, yeah?
>>7922690that's not even what the book says, even the page in the screenshot tells you being a conscientious, diligent worker for 40 years "clearly isn't enough to make you a great performer"
>>7922697Ah, I should have said page rather than book, since I'm not brothering to read more than that; but to me the pictured page seems to be suggesting that they're not giving a FULL effort, because their normal lives and jobs are getting in the way, whilst Woods was trained constantly and lived & breathed golf for much of his life, even from a young age.Do correct me if the book is suggesting something completely different though.
>>7922704the book is the deliberate practice meme originator afaik, basically what the post said, targeting your weak points with intense practice that is unsustainable (per the book) for more than a few hours a daya hard sell for a toddler
>>7922397isn't this takako
>>7922302you sound like a diaper whitegirl. I myself, and many other artists have been steadily employed for years.>Working as an artist in the industry isn’t very realistic right now. It's all about location, you probably live in some shithole like Kentucky >>7922339Location is a factor.Also this board is a joke, majority of the people here are those who aren't good enough to post on real forums like polycount.
>>7922294>get a job as an artist>have to draw whatever ugly boring shit your soulless faggot bosses ask you to draw, get your life drained out of you>do art as a hobby>can draw and paint literally anything you want.Seems simple to me.
>>7922783>get a job as an artist>have to draw whatever ugly boring shit your soulless faggot bosses ask you to draw, get your life drained out of you, can draw and paint literally anything you want>do art as a hobby>have to do whatever ugly boring shit your soulless faggot bosses ask you to do, get your life drained out of you, can draw and paint literally anything you want.
>>7922783>>7922785>get a job as an artist>you're at art>do art as a hobby>you're bad at artSeems simple to me.
>>7922787unironically, ontologically, metaphysically N.G.M.I.
>>7922765>polycount just checked that forum and it seems even more dead than here, no one offers critique, am i missing something?
>>7922788pyw
>>7922792It, was lively seven-ten years ago; actual networking and people actually got full-time jobs from networking there. They even had in person meetups at GDC in San Francisco. Once pandemic kicked off, the site seemed to have died off, everyone is using discord these days.
>only animetards postingof course.
>doing art as a careerWhat does that even look like in 2026? Everyone says they want to make it big but no one really knows what that means.
>>7922576Making a living from galleries is waaaaay harder than making a living from patreonbux or other forms of "commercial art". You also basically have to be a woman and/or brown, if you are a white man you will be laughed out of the room at any "fine arts" institution
