How do you balance out between drawing and doing other hobbies? Do you like force yourself to draw daily for a certain amount of time?I have an issue where I spend way, way too much time playing games and neglect drawing because of that. It doesn't help that my education takes a large chunk of my time too.
>>7922800>much time playing games and neglect drawing because of that. It doesn't help that my education takes a large chu
you can only have 2 hobbies ... maybe 3 if you are willing to do one fairly part time (and have a job).For me its drawing and gym. And I don't even like the second one it's just a requirement for health and aesthetics.
Yes, I basically force myself to draw at least once a day. I have a very loose routine where I will draw at the end of the day after dinner is all cleaned up in the kitchen, if I was not able to draw earlier in the day. It's just one of many things I do to stay disciplined. I also try to do some math each day, so I can keep up in my college math course. You have to discipline yourself and say "no entertainment or social media or whatever until I do the things I need to do."It might sound hard, but shortly after you start, it becomes habit and part of your character. For example, I was historically horrible at math, but now I am ironically known as the know it super studious tip of my class. I expect it will be the same for drawing once I put in more experience.
>inb4 threads turns into a debate over what actually counts as a hobby
If it's a hobby then just do whatever is most fun. You only force yourself to do things if you're actively working towards some goal within a timeframe.
>>7922817I don't get it>>7922824I've also been working out to stay healthyDedicating like an hour in a day few times a week while drawing on the side sounds pretty feasible>>7922829>You have to discipline yourself and say "no entertainment or social media or whatever until I do the things I need to do."That's a great advice, actuallyI could play video games after having done drawing for the day, though that if I got free time available >For example, I was historically horrible at math, but now I am ironically known as the know it super studious tip of my class. I expect it will be the same for drawing once I put in more experience.That's great, anon. I used to be pretty good math, though now it's not my center of my classes. I do hope I get good at drawing just like you said>>7922842>If it's a hobby then just do whatever is most fun.Yeah, i've been focusing on drawing what i like>You only force yourself to do things if you're actively working towards some goal within a timeframe.Well i do want to get better at art within yearI guess that's my goal then
>>7922800Honestly if you're even asking this question it's kind of already over for you.You need to love drawing so much that it's the main thing you do for fun anyway. If drawing is competing with other things that you think are "more fun" then you're already fucked.
>>7923232you can't love drawing while you're bad (like extremely bad because you've never drawn before) at it unless you are literally a child (that's the biggest advantage children have)so there's no other way but to struggle for some (1-2 yrs) time until you are at least tolerable at your own eyes. And only from that point you can go "the fun" way and start experiencing positive feedback loop
>>7923326wrong and retardeddrawing is an activity, enjoyment is unrelated to skill90% of gamers suck shit at vidya, they're not on 4chan asking how to force themselves to spend more time playing video gamesyou don't want to draw, you want inaginary resultsngmi
>>7923343No, I want real results. The process to get the real results is just unpleasant.
>>7923344you got your real results, you illiterate nigger, that's what makes them realthey are manifest in realitythe ones you imagine do not
>>7923343>enjoyment is unrelated to skillcompletely falseto state this you are either dishonest or malicious>90% of gamers suck shit at vidyait's hard to suck in three-in-a-row or in minecraft in peaceful mode. Your "90%" are made up until you link me a research paper.games are DESIGNED (unless we are talking about specific genres) to be enjoyable as an activity with MINIMUM efforts required. Constant micro-rewards, smooth progression, healing potions spawn around the corner when you are low hp, etcdrawing, on the other hand, is "a long-term investment". In the beginning you have ~0 or very small returns despite spending a lot of time. Moreover you are being actively damaged (mentally) during the process by self-flagellations and doubts. Learning curve is very steep. Infinite degrees of freedom (as in "infinite ways to make mistakes", games are much more "predefined" in that sense).Unless, as I said earlier, you are child. Then I can see how "drawing is an activity, enjoyment is unrelated to skill" can be true, no questions here.
>>7923364nah, you're a coping tard, sorry
>>7923364jfc is this a troll or what? Look whatever the fuck you're doing here, anons aren't going to fucking convince you to just do it. Like why are you even arguing about this shit? You said you want to get better by the end of the year? Then fucking study. This whole bullshit you're selling yourself about juggling your "hobby" with other hobbies is just you trying to get out of putting the work in. Either you do it or you don't. Nobody is going to do it for you. Nobody is going to give you an aha moment that completely changes your perspective and all of a sudden it's easymode. You sound so fucking doomerpilled, it's like, why are you even asking this question to begin with? Seriously you should start by asking yourself what it is you even want cause it doesn't sound like you know what you want so I have no choice but to believe that you're just taking the piss to waste everybody's time.
>>7923366>no arguments were presentI accept your concession>>7923373I'm not op
>>7922800The price of mastery is the tax of time anon. There's a reason that so few become masters. You need to be almost obsessive in how much time you devote to something to become a true master. Being on the spectrum or an extreme level of conscientiousness are an absolute requirement to mastery unless you're a literal prodigy but even they need to put in time. There's a reason why there are so many 'wasted potential talents' that never make it. Because it takes time and effort. Two things in very short supply because if you live in a first world country you're given every reason and excuse not to devote your time to mastery of something. Which is why learning to find fun in the skill is as important as mastering it. If that practice is purely fueled by willpower, you will eventually hit a cognitive wall. Willpower is a high-cost, low-yield fuel. Finding fun or flow in the skill is how you don't burn out. It lowers the perceived effort of high output work. You watch literally any master and they all have found some way to enjoy their skill outside of grinding. You're a fool to think that fun and mastery can't coexist, they're the two halves of the puzzle. If you don't find the joy in the grind, you are just a martyr for a skill you’ll eventually abandon.
>>7922800It's not a hobby if you don't want to do it, it's a chore. What is it with retards fantasizing about doing something they hate for fun?
>>7923398The end products of the artistic process are incredibly valuable and coveted by many. It’s no surprise that a lot of people want to be artists.
>>7923393>learning to find fun in the skillthere should be a book about this
>>7923393This is partly true. Willpower is actually required for the discipline needed to master something, but if you don't enjoy any aspects of something, then you need to stop and ask, "Do I actually want to do this thing, or do I just like the idea of being perceived as someone who does this thing?"
>>7923393>>7923406I could just neet and draw but I don't have the automatic fun gene and I can't dedicate myself because of retarded fomo even though I just waste away watching youtube anyway. > but if you don't enjoy any aspects of something, then you need to stop and ask, "Do I actually want to do this thing, or do I just like the idea of being perceived as someone who does this thing?"This is also a thing I ask myself but in modern world where gaming and tons of media exists nothing compares to that in terms of fun, for me at least. I'm listening to the book Mastery by Robert Greene where he tells all about masters/mastery and he recommends to look back to your childhood for things you might've been fixated on/liked but dude I've been on the crack that is consuming media since the age of six.I guess you're just doomed if you don't have innate interests like that. I have a fixation on learning to draw but evidently I'm missing something or it's the media addiction torpedoing my efforts who knows. In the past 5 years I've drawn maybe 750-1000 hours trending up with maybe 400 in the last year so that's good but I'll be only half way to mastery by the time I die at this rate.Besides games and media the fact that AI exists now rapes me in the ass so hard. A true enjoyer wouldn't care and I shouldn't but it's such a big shroud of uncertainty on my feeble psyche. I know no one can give me the push to improve and it has to be myself but it's in my power to blog post so I do. Really to become skilled so many things have line up in the right order.
>>7923441Okay but why? Why do you want to become skilled?
>>7923441>This is also a thing I ask myself but in modern world where gaming and tons of media exists nothing compares to that in terms of fun, for me at least.I understand that completely. The thing is I immersed myself so much in games at one point that it started to feel so empty and alarm bells in my head starting going off, like "hey you're destroying your life by inaction and wasting it." I guess if your brain is telling you that you really love video games, keep exploring that until your brain starts sending you signals to stop. And if you're already getting some warnings from your brain, like for example if reading my post gives you a feeling in the pit of your stomach, pay attention to that and try to think about what it means. For you and for what you really want out of life.
>>7923447To draw cool shit like all the artists I admire and to just to hone a skill to a high level. I don't know if a fixation needs to be explained, it's probably something born from strong emotions from viewing cool media or something like that. A lot of people have fixations like that. Aka dreams, I guess but for most, things probably don't line up to realize said dreams. Innate fun, upbringing, economics, etc.And why I can't just super leisurely wait around for improvement is because I won't live forever and I don't want to do something for a job that I have no interest in. I have a good runway but I don't have that rich parents that I'd be able to experience other than shut-in life if I don't make money of my own>>7923449I've had the same kind of experience. I don't game at all anymore, just watch youtube in a cold sweat, washing my brain with stimulation to forget myself. Shit is depressing I'm not going to lie. It kind of connects to the first part of this post. Some brain worm has made me pursue drawing and it's killing the enjoyment of other things as well. But again it's not really unusual, I don't think. A lot if not most people seem to get more ambitious once reaching adulthood. If I could just keep gaming in child-like wonder wouldn't that be great. A lot of it is economic pressure likely but there is some more fundamental transformation there as well I think. How people lament how they can't enjoy things like they used to type stuff
>>7922800other hobbies? I threw everything away for art. If I'm not drawing then I'm just doomscrolling or jerking off or eating.
I think you should do one "side" hobby alongside art. You can do more hobbies too but you should cycle between them, switching from one to the other, instead of doing them all at once. But you should always have one thing you do that isn't drawing as a supplement to drawing, even if it's only for 30 minutes a day. Life is dreary without some variety.
>>7922800Make drawing a daily habit, but make a conscious effort to engage in targeted study. Even if you're only drawing for as little as thirty minutes, you need to actively do a little bit better than what you did previously.Push yourself to draw, but do not overdo it. If you feel like gaming the whole day, then do it...as long as you make up for it by drawing a lot the next day or the next few days. The worst thing you can do is force yourself to do too much of what you love: it always leads to burnout and resentment.Your hobbies should complement and supplement that you are drawing: video games CAN actually develop hand-eye coordination and 3D visualization, but in this case you need to spend more time drawing.Try having hobbies that you can derive drawing from or that support artistic development:>reading: sketch out a cool scene or visual>movies/animation: pause and draw a cool shot >origami/sculpting: do it to keep your hands busy and internalize 3D forms>exercise: build those muscles and muscle groups, now draw them>>7923344Use the Cognitive Method if you want efficient results. It's already been discussed on this board (courtesy of me and a few other anons).
>>7922800I find most tv shows, movies and videogames boring af.So there is literally nothing else for me to do.
>>7923393Well put>>7923708This
>>7923232do most artists actually love drawing more than masturbation or playing videogames?
