Why does this board is never discussing A.I. art?
AI Slop are all trained on professionals/student posts on artstation/deviantart. So all of /ic/ users before 2021 can see it for the hack that it is lmaoo/g/ autism can't match /ic/ autism. both unemployable
>>7925279It’s not worth talking about anymore. It’s here to stay and nobody on this board or in the real world can do anything about it. It’s not gonna prevent us from making art, but there’s no point in revisiting the topic 1000 times and parroting the same points
>never discussing A.I.Oh man. You should've been here in 2023. Shit was inescapable.I think all that was necessary to say has already been said. The machines might improve in quality but the moral question doesn't change.Here's my summary: AI artwork is unjustly built on stolen art, it goes against the very essence of humanity and everyone who uses it is a coward.
>>7925279We already discussed it once, about 3-4 years ago.
>>7925279already been discussed to deathwill forever and always be dogshit that no one will respect
>why doesn't the art board discuss gambling?i already had my fun
GOOOOD MORNING SAAARS!
good butifu morni saarshab u see the begine and bewb saars?
Most of the art you see online is the exact same thing but made by humans, mixing pre existing styles and over used references and copyijg popular franchises to make one billion uninspired lazy ripoff characters floating in a void or smut Those who approach art like this are either doomed because the market value of their skill only keeps going down as AI gets better and better and those who make actually creative art or just draw for fun don't care at allThe only people who got mad initially have already lost and give up
still rather have human made feces than deficiently generated computer glitches
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>>7925279it's been discussed to death, there's nothing more to say, anons who loss their will to draw, left and moved on, those who linger around are some real mother fuckers, and i will gladly take a bullet for them.i still think about the sci-fi magazine talking about how much low quality short stories they received and how they have to close submissions and figure out how to separate genuine writers from, i don't know how to describe them other then pajeets.
Tracing over 3D models
we were calling fotm shit slop long before aijeets started using that wordit's insane that they believe because xitter drama engagement farmers reply to their insults as to use the attention to farm numbers that they can go on other places and think all their insults actually work and when they don't they just pull the usual normie deflectionsi love drawing so much it's insane
>>7925279it's offtopic
>>7925296quick rundown on whatever the fuck this is?
>>7925359me just fucking around with an aispammer that was active on this board a couple years ago when the ai trolling was on full throttlehe tries to make fun of my art but i dont get offended by it so i just tell him his followers are botted and he attempts a last gotcha by calling me weirdthe guy used to fill entire threads by himself writing honest to god essays going into 500 posts territory and would make another thread the instant one got deletedProbably using a bot here as well.
>>7925279>A.I. art>artI see a contradiction
>>7925279HOLY NEWFAG
>>7925303pyw pajeeet
>>7925374No. Does posting my work disproving the fact? No it doesn't. Soon future generation will not care about real artists hard worked human garbage sloppy art. It will be always slow, high cost, low quality. Look at AI art it is fast as fuck, no cost at all, quality is God like. Today there is a lot of real artist supporters in feature there will be lesser and lesser artists and more and more ai artists. Artists will exist but they will always get mocked, trolled, insulted for holding back progress.
/g/ posters should just be barred from posting on /ic/it's just AI bait threads and shit like the /dtg/ schizo from there
>>7925378Does this work on anyone that isn't an autistic crossdresser that draws tumblr style crossdressers?
>>7925378pajeee mad af haha
>>7925381>>7925383All artist are anti-science and anti-progress. Nature will punish them for their crimes.
>>7925386oh wow how funny and insultingwhat else can you say?
>>7925378The new generation is fucked. If there is no driving force, they probably won't bother at all.
>>7925279mmmmmnnnn butt...sex sex SEEEEEEEEX
>>7925378I don't normally say this, but holy shit is this "SAAAR" the post. Total bugman
Very good OP, yes, the samefags are also a nice touch. We will be watching you very closely, you have a promising future here. A fine addition to the crab roster.
>>7925404I am indian how do you know?
>>7925279I'm not against AI, but this is a board for art criticism and education. Discussing how to prompt better or the deeper meaning behind a hand with 6 fingers is simply outside the scope of this board.
I find AI art amazing. Especially the webms I have found in both /gif/ and /wsg/. I have followed how special effects were done since I was a kid, reading Cinfex and some hobbyist make your own magazines for my stop motion movies I made in super 8 mm film. I can imagine how many human hands it would take to build these sets arrange these costumes composite these shots, photographing models or building them in CGI. Armies of people hours of labor all needless with the right sequence of prompts. Ordinary people can t r y their hand at composing elaborate ideas. Movies too ridiculous, too niche, too expensive to produce, too personal to appeal to the buying public. We make our own art. Or should. Anime and such can be easily copied,as they h a very been copied since the '70s, so these artists and the Strange Porn crowd need worry. And not even then. A superior story, art and composition is the product of industry and ingenuity of the artist, and will show up AI in its unique presentation. I haunt the AI threads in/b/ and sifting through the Strange Porn,you see fascinating things, still pictures that I could calculate the process of recreating it in acrylics. Prompting is a craft, and that involves Art. An AI won't do anything on its own, because it needs direction, scope, a story to portray. Like some medieval craftsman, a scene is intricately described, and painstakingly staged. Art.
>>7925416AI make infinity finite so nope.
^bait is sooo low quality it dont even deserve a (You)
>>7925416 Except that as companies have shown us time and time and time again, it's hardly ever about the actual benefits, and more about it being used as a mechanism to foster dependence and create perpetual cash cows. AI is just being used to create a slave race. How people don't see that is beyond me. I have a theory that's it's exactly why jeets are so drawn to it, they're already accustomed to slaves because of their caste system so they're too blind to see the inevitable rug pull that WILL happen where prices start getting pumped after dependence has been created. It will be everyone's outrage moment when they should have been outraged decades earlier. The generations of the future will look back at everyone alive right now with so much resentment and spite because we did nothing to stop it.
since this is a critique board, let me help you>7925279why does this board never discuss>7925283AI slop is trained>7925386all artists are anti-science and anti-progress>7925408how did you know>7925416could calculate the process of recreating Ø in acrylics>7925418AI makes infinity finitehope this helps with your B2 english test for the residency application
>>7925423Saar! Thank You so much saar!
>>7925423>my only argument is to call everyone a jeetArtfags can't even disprove a single argument.*sad noises*
>>7925386define "nature" anon considering most AI is built to be antithetical too it. What part of nature do you hold even dear
>>7925422>I have a theory that's it's exactly why jeets are so drawn to it, they're already accustomed to slaves because of their caste system so they're too blind to see the inevitable rug pull that WILL happenyour theory sucks and is blind to the actual cultural realities of the third world. it's the same reason that most of the third world, not just india, loves retardoslop like hyperrealistic robert downer junior photocopies, jujutsu kaizen panel copies, and lots of tracing, you can almost always guess the artist is a thirdie by how sellout or empty of meaning their art is when they post it and that's got nothing to do with the Genetics of Thirdies it's just the product of a strained (monetary and attention) economyart is heavily devalued and is not viewed as an expression of real skill or creativity, but as a bragging right, not unlike a trophy wife. the point is pretending you managed to get a pretty-looking (even if vacuous) image out and posture in front of your aunties how you're Muchly Skilledful rather than actually being able to do anything with yourself. this is fixed by raising people out of poverty and funding arts and culture so that a cultural consciousness develops, otherwise it's just the circenses of the panem et circenses. western cultures are heading in that direction with the crossgenerational deterioration of cultural appreciation and the commodification of art, india is just a portent>>7925424no problem boss>>7925426not many coherent arguments have been made to debooonk or discuss anyway, so the thread is just namecalling until someone actually makes a cohesive point, on either side. this won't happen since it's a troll thread, but what do i know
>>7925435just visit /r/aiwars bro there is so many arguments that completely destroys luddites. Let me copy/paste some here.
>>7925440>just visit /r
>>7925435It's not so much a theory as it is me not taking your point seriously you autistic troll
>>7925279Because it has nothing to do with drawing, and many (myself included) don't consider it art.Let's be honest though, you don't actually want to discuss this, you're just trying to be provocative. How boring.
the only thing this whole ai shtick has is making brown wannabe ragebaiters believe they're baiting anyoneyeah bro, you're getting your existence acknowledge by spamming until one of your 6 million posts gets referencedsuch epic galaxy trolling
>sexually titillating image>irrelevant time-wasting question
Anything you do with AI is like keeping a dream journal. You may find it enjoyable and intriguing, but most people won't be interested to read that crap. Keep it to yourself.I won't deny that I've used text-generating AI to answer questions and even role-play, but I'm aware that those texts are only of interest to me.
>other people are not interested in your own interestshow dare they? EVERYONE MUST ENJOY WHAT I ENJOY!
>>7925452https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8dcFhF0Dlk neely has an interesting approach to this that goes to the same conclusion
>>7925279>Why does this board is never discussing A.I. art?Because this is a western website. Go discuss AI on 4saar.in
Op image is ai gen btw. Are there any examples of ai gen images you can't tell from traditional or traditional digital painting? Post some.
>>792527997% of AI ventures have failed or are currently failing. Even MIcrosaar is pulling out of copilot. It was a fade, just like NFTs. not even the trashiest porn sites are getting flooded with images anymore. The grift well dried up, there's no money to be made and everyone moved on from the fad.
>>7925482it took me finding out it was ai to recognise it. truly hadn't been able to tell beforehand. it was a spooky experience
>piss foxdelete yourself
>>7925485I find odd them niggas always go for the blankest of expressions even when they have characters smiling it still look deadpan
>>7925482>Are there any examples of ai gen images you can't tell from traditional or traditional digital painting? Post some.I was frikin shocked as i saw this one, sir.
So what are the other forbidden themes? OP had a topic, remember.
>>7925512>So what are the other forbidden themes?Toilet paper?
>>7925521You know, I never even thought about drawing on that. What would be the best drawing implement for it? Permanent marker? Crayons?
>>7925525Grok
>>7925291All work is build on stollen work. It makes you a hypocrite claiming humans dont learn in the same manner. You just dont like the idea (even if its not true yet) of a machine being able to do what you can do, but faster, better, and or cheaper. Because it means you are not special / you have to find another bread making method, which requires addition effort.So you seek physiological, religious, soul arguments to hate and suppress those which support it. Basically a word by word repetition of the same story with guild masters when factories became a thing, and artists when cameras were invented.
>>7925553>stollenhaha
>>7925556define stollen
>>7925558
>>7925553saaar you are so right saaaar
>>7925553this reads like a woman trying to cope and deflect with getting caught for shoplifting
>>792556099.999% of people who cook that, have learned the recipe from somebody else, and not reinvented the wheel. If somebody would make an oven in which you only put in the raw ingredients, prompt a recipe, and in 20 seconds it makes a 95% finished cake, with a 50% success rate, everybody would buy and use it, even half the cooks, while the other half and cook aspirants would cry murder, and that its soulless because it was not made by a human.>>7925567stealing an idea, and stealing a physical objects are different. And not being able to tell the difference means you are either a beg who doesnt know how to draw, or somebody who were spoonfed everything from early on and dont know how to learn something on their own.
>>7925279>Why does this board is never saar please do the needful for the AI
>>7925558esl for stolen
>>7925577i stole a power ranger action figure once because the aliens told me sothey're also telling me you should unplug whatever you have in the other room
>>7925553I hope one day some retard will generate porn of your kids and then we'll see if you won't change your mind about this shit. But don't worry, it won't happen because you're a genetic dead end
fuckin chippers will never replace us organics
>>7925583ahh, I see, very well, carry on>>7925587I also stole a candy bar when I was little because my mouth told me somy mouth is also telling me you should have stopped listening to the voices by now and find a way to abandon /x/ >>7925590I do too hope you will git gud someday anon,
>his mouth told him so>call others schizosdefinite estrogenic energywhat an absolute glorble
>>7925287to add to that, art actually is more important than before, even though layoffs are off the charts. I joined a guy for a couple works and he immediately asked me if he could turn my doodles into 3d models with AI. 2 days later he had the little monster-cyborg i drew in the game and showed it off on Xitter. No one could guess the 3d model was AI and the animations for it were AI because i had drawn a pretty weird thing.So if you use AI art people will call you out, but if you use a human artist and AI everything else, silence, since you get credit and it might look somewhat original. My take is games will boil down to artwork, design and music, while the rest of the pipeline will be taken over or done much faster.Weird because i see a lot of artfags learning blender. Like uhhh, i'm not sure it's gonna be that relevant going forward. I could be wrong though
i honestly can't wait for the bubble to burst so all these honest to god retards trying to insult the intelligence of others will finally stop
>>7925599Twatter is what its called anon and it always was quite shit but E-fag made it shittier. And Either way How often does your ass tell you to talk shit or is it just gut instincts
>>7925553I disagree with everything you said. But this topic is stale and I've argued this enough times already. If you seriously view A.I images as a positive thing, then fine. I'm not gonna challenge that worldview. I really don't care anymore.
>>7925655It was stale a few years ago, its stale now, so I usually skip those threads. I liked your succinct post so I wanted to reply. I wouldnt call it a positive from only points of view. But its here to stay, so might as well learn to live with it. Have a good day si.... saaaar XD.
>>7925577anon not everyone can cook well and 50% succes rate is not good as a business model with learning you got a 50% chance of salmonella.buying shit that doesn't work or safe to eat shouldn't be the norm... you said like a curryfag believing its okay to shit on the road
>>7925577I like to ask anon is eating pic related will bring the same prestige as opposed to making/ordering one
Art was never meant to be meticulously molded into perfection so it could be palatable to the consumer. 5 years ago I remember the question of "soul" vs commercialization of an art style, before AI was even a thing. Well there you have your answer 5 years later what was missing from the polished turds, the same way we figured out that entirety of all substances of the universe depends the the number of electrons revolving around a proton through technological advancement. So turns out there is a formula that exists for what humans find appealing. I do make an observation that AI generated music isn't as popular as AI generated art. Something about rhythm and balance and the art of unpredictability trips up the algorithm. Did you know that AI researchers have the most trouble getting an AI to carry around eggs with robot arms without breaking them? Something about rhythm and balance comes naturally to humans, though. It's futile to compete against a machine to generate perfect aesthetics. The future cannot be rolled back, to think otherwise is a psychotic fantasy of your control. It's time to draw like singers do. God would be disappointed if THAT'S the thing he throws at us, and now we give up on making another renaissance.
>>7926159"Before AI was even a thing" I want to correct that to "before AI art was a thing"
whats with the coomer image to attract attention, ranjid? cant type a post normally and find an image that is fitting for the discussion?
AI gives me hope that history will realize the dependence of an entire generation to live their lives out through a screen during 2000s-2020s as a bad dream. When unreality reaches a toxic threshold and there's only so much artificiality that man can tolerate before it overpowers his addiction to overstimulus from a flat board made of pixels. It'll all only be a bad dream, and we'll go back to going outside and marching in protests and doing acid and drugs and meeting others to wear stupid clothing and other retarded faggy stuff but outside and with other people where we can smell each other and look at each other and judge each others intentions like we did for the past 200000 years. Or we could just die, it's the end of humanity and we all deserve to go to hell for being boring. It would be comedically anticlimatic if it wasn't an overzealous AI turning us into paperclips but a good old fashioned nuke war. That would be so fucking hilarious.Also electrons revolve around a proton and neutron.
>>7926168>an entire generation to live their lives out through a screen during 2000s-2020sthat's nothingwe will have neural interfaceswe will have AI generated VR worldswe will have podswe will have entire generations "living" in pods
>>7925452this, AI is its own thing and you can even call it its own art form. Like if you painted frogs and had them jump around a canvas, that's art too, but you're not really controlling the frogs. Its just a new way to generate interesting things. What AI art will never be, is profitable. How can you charge for something that is supposed to be effortless and easy?
How many replies in this thread is ai generated?
>troll thread is still uplmao
>>7926271AI generated text is usually readable and well formattedMost of this seems to be the usual unintelliglble ESL rambling.
>>7926281goood morning saaaar
>>7925553>All work is build on stollen work. It makes you a hypocrite claiming humans dont learn in the same manner.Because humans don't. Claiming humans learn in the same way AI is trained is like claiming that driving and walking are essentially the same thing; Sure both take you from point A to point B, but anyone with half a brain can tell you walking and driving are different, and likewise, anyone can tell you that human learning and AI training are different as well.All the other crap about psychology, religion, and being special were just verbose attempts at covering up how low IQ and simple your argument is.And this isn't even getting into the stupidity of treating a program like it's human and therefore giving it the same considerations as a human. Even if humans and AI 'learn' in the exact same manner (they don't), AI training and output is still theft because they're not human (it's a product produced by a thieving corporation) and I don't have to be considerate of it in that way.Why defend immoral multi-billion dollar companies?
>>7925279I dont care about the thread topic but I tried drawing the OP image lol
>>7926328based
>>7925378THIS 100% TRUVVTHHBOMB SHELL DROPPED TO /IC/
>>7926168hain some time after ai will become better than 90% of average teachers, having real teachers will be viewed as problematic. After that, or before, interacting with fellow kids of the same age will be the same (because of "bad influences" and what not), next will be the parents themself. Parents will need a licences to teach their own kids even basic stuff, ("ai does it better anyway, why would you stunt their growth like that?"). All your physiological needs will be met by a machine. Teachers, friends to chat with, ppl to take advices from, 4chan, youtube? Entertainment, education, socializing, all ai generated to control the kind of person you will grow into. The perfect drone to supervisize real drones. If you think things will ever get better, you are wrong. Each generation s treshold will be lowered, by controlling whats viewed as "normal". Generation wars will be pushed from behind the scenes, to better control each younger generation. And free thinkers who try to connect to real people will gain the label of domestic terrorist, or whatever new speech version of it will be contemporary.
