>>7931552
Yes

Drawing is nothing more than rotating 3D models in your head with the power of your imagination. You are ngmi if you can't do that.

UUUOOOOHHHHH MY HAND IS MOVING ON ITS OWN
SCRATCH SCRATCH SCRATCH SCRATCH SCRATCH SCRATCH SCRATCH SCRATCH SCRATCH SCRATCH
GET DRAWN GET DRAWN GET DRAWN GET DRAWN

For drawing? Absolutely. You ought to try drawing with a felt tip or a bold size micron pigma it forces you to forego detail and focus on the actual drawing. You're forced to use symbols drawing asthetic shapes and line weight to describe form rather than using value or hatching.

Everything you know is an abstract symbol being fed to you by your senses. Your brain takes shortcuts when doing simple math, but if a problem gets two complex you use your secondary mind, eventually over time through experience your brain starts to "Chunk" this knowledge and you don't have to think until you hit a wall in your knowledge and that's why you have to know construction, it's how you check your work and you learning bleeds into your style which may throw it off, once you find the balance of construction and gesture you prefer your "Symbols" are born (style)

Art is basically organizing shit. Everything is basically organizing shit.

>>7931552
duh
You will drive yourself insane trying to construct every single thing if you were to draw massive amount of material like manga.

>>7931552
A lot of American /beg/ artists don't really get how Japanese hobby artists improve at their craft. Watching enough Japanese art Youtubers makes you realize that the American process of self-teaching art is missing a lot of key facets.

>draw LOTS of shapes and lines and forms
>copy everything: copy from magazines, print outs, comics and manga, etc
>blind contours, continuous line drawing, gesture studies
>breaking down references into shapes and forms
>using the Cognitive Method
>drawing ordinary household objects to develop perspective and form
>starting off with a pencil then moving on to a pen/marker
>doing other kinds of art (origami, calligraphy, sculpting, etc)

Meanwhile American /beg/ artists often find themselves lost because they are told wrong advice (don't use references, breaking down references is bad, copying is bad, fundamentals don't matter) are engaged in a culture that spews out vague advice (just practice bro, just draw bro), and are constantly being told that art skill boils down to some kind of mystical aptitude that certain people have while also being bombarded with materialism at every corner (buy these books and courses, go to art school, etc).

Anyone can draw.

>>7931675
It's all in your head

>>7931552
Yes*

*if you get the right symbols which you get from years of practice, study, and copying work

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>>7931552
>you can write your own name smoothly, right?
Dysgraphiabros.......

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Nope, youre just a stupid Nigger

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>>7931675
>American /beg/ artists
most artists on the chan are spics, slavs and seaniggers. obviously you'll hear loads of inane bullshit

>>7931552
Sure if you want to draw like a shit artist like tezuka, by all means take his advice

>>7931675
>Meanwhile American /beg/ artists often find themselves lost because they are told wrong advice (don't use references, breaking down references is bad, copying is bad, fundamentals don't matter)
You just described the /ic/ bubble I don't think anyone outside of this shithole believes any of this, and even then this seems like some recent takeover by purposely useless contrarian shitposting, it's not what early /ic/ was like

>>7931552
Everything in art is a symbol unless your style is hyperrealism.

>>7931675
>Meanwhile American /beg/ artists often find themselves lost because they are told wrong advice (don't use references, breaking down references is bad, copying is bad, fundamentals don't matter)
>and are constantly being told that art skill boils down to some kind of mystical aptitude that certain people have while also being bombarded with materialism at every corner (buy these books and courses, go to art school, etc).
I agree with these two
>are engaged in a culture that spews out vague advice (just practice bro, just draw bro),
but not this one. While it is vague, it really just encompasses everything else you said:

>draw LOTS of shapes and lines and forms
aka just draw
>copy everything: copy from magazines, print outs, comics and manga, etc
aka just draw
>blind contours, continuous line drawing, gesture studies
aka just draw
>breaking down references into shapes and forms
aka just draw
>using the Cognitive Method
aka just draw
>drawing ordinary household objects to develop perspective and form
aka just draw
>starting off with a pencil then moving on to a pen/marker
aka just draw

Basically, it's not that it's vague (even though retards think it is), rather, it means "do any of the things on this list, they ALL help, and they ALL require you stop making posts on /ic/ and go fucking draw".

>>7931675
>Meanwhile American /beg/ artists often find themselves lost because they are told wrong advice
Some posters on /ic/ have a tendency to parrot legitimate advice with exaggeration, mystification, or take it out of context. This is not a function of being American, it's a function of this place being anonymous, relatively unmoderated, and somewhat adversarial. The onus is on individual users to hone their own BS meter, not to rely on any single authority to tell them what is good advice.
It's really not difficult. Most technical advice can be easily proven with a simple demonstration. But those also tend to be the shortest threads.

>>7931844
>Some posters on /ic/ have a tendency to parrot legitimate advice with exaggeration, mystification, or take it out of context

And it's sad that these young kids take the advice at face value without seeing any work unaware of how it may throw them off track for a couple of months. Building momentum in another direction causes you to lose momentum in another and if you keep trying new fads you may not get anywhere. That being said there is a time and place for exploration and experimentation as with everything in life it is a balance, but the internet loves extremes and hate the actual boring work which is slowly watering and pruning that tree until it bears fruit.

>>7931675
>>draw LOTS of shapes and lines and forms
>>copy everything: copy from magazines, print outs, comics and manga, etc
>>blind contours, continuous line drawing, gesture studies
>>breaking down references into shapes and forms
>>using the Cognitive Method
>>drawing ordinary household objects to develop perspective and form
>>starting off with a pencil then moving on to a pen/marker
>>doing other kinds of art (origami, calligraphy, sculpting, etc)
all of this except Cognitive Method are actually talked about in courses by vilppu, steve huston, etc, its actually pretty agreed upon universally that you gotta do that stuff to really improve
the main people who'd tell you to stay away from references, fundamental practice and copying art you like are teenagers on deviantart who think they are god's gift to mankind because of their ability to dbz panels from memory