>>7932357
Cope

If you are making art you are an artist. I don't think it's fair to denigrate someone as a fake artist because they cannot subsist off of their art alone.

Our contemporary market is extremely oversaturated in some areas and extremely dry with patrons in others. It's not unnatural that so many artists feel lost nowadays.

>>7932357
it's true, that's why no one respects you when you tell them you're an artist. That means your poor, it's like being a single mom.

"artist" is such a vague term that anybody can be an artist. It's also why people who say they want to be an artist will inevitably abandon their "goal" at some point because it isn't a goal. It's just a vague term and idea.

>>7932371
>who say they want to be an artist will inevitably abandon their "goal" at some point because it isn't a goal. It's just a vague term and idea.

orrrr they take the time to refine their dream by niche-ing down and actually making a plan

>>7932373
Those people aren't included in my generalization. I'm talking about the people who 4 years down the road are still chasing the dream of being an "artist" without having once considered a specialization or niche that aligns with their interests and skills. It's no different than if a kid were to say they wanted to be a scientist. Then as an adult they're telling people they want to be a scientist.... like... specificity is how you achieve goals people. Anything else is just the romanticization of an idea.

>>7932357
it's true and a cope

>>7932374
It's the difference between identity and vocation. One is something anybody can adopt, the other actually requires more than feeling good about yourself

>>7932371
This is why I use illustrator because artist invokes the image of people mashing macaroni up their vagina in public.

>>7932357
Sure, as a hobby, a hobby artist I suppose, but still an artist of sorts.

>>7932371
>"artist" is such a vague term that anybody can be an artist...
Well, "art" is also an incredibly vague term. If junk found on the side of the road can be put on a pedestal and called art, then really, anyone can be called an artist.

>>7932417
Yep. See >>7932378

Why is the label of "artist" so important to people? Even people in this thread are trying to gatekeep the term. As if if a baby who liked to scribble could be an artist, it'd tear down their whole worldview down.

people say it every week but holy shit this board is dead

>>7932501
it died a long time ago

>>7932357
Not mutually exclusive possibilities (>>7932376)
Labels won't help me improve so I don't really care. I don't really call myself an artist ever. I just say I draw.

>>7932357
You are still heterosexual

If you have a sugar daddy who pounds your ass so you can afford rent.

>>7932357
Art is an overused word that lost any meaning. Everyone is an artist nowadays, just like everyone is a nazi.

>>7932357
an amateur artist is a subset of artists, so it's indeed true

Just because you do the thing artists do, doesn't make you an artist, if you don't do it full time
That's called a hobby at best
That women in the OP "Is a cashier, and has a drawing hobby".
If you draw for 12 hours a day and just for fun you help your friend as a cashier on his shop, for free, you will be "an artist, with a cashier hobby"
There's no other reality

Why do you guys care so much about the title/definition and not the action and quality of work itself?

>>7932915
because nobody who posts in this type of thread actually draws

>>7932913
BS nonsense lol
i hope this is just ragebait

>>7932940
Yeah you can be an artist in the same sense celeb ancient figures were described
"Besides his renewed work, he was a poet, a mathematician, and a geologist!" because he wrote a haiku once, knew addition and had a pet rock.
Yes you can have the label "He worked as a cashier 12 hours a day, and was an artist, a mathematician and a geologist!" in that sense
If you don't live out of your art, or spend the majority of your day doing art, no, your 20min gesture drawing every day is a hobby
That's perfectly fine, but it will be inaccurate to say "You are an artist"
If I play basketball a bit, even if It's 20min a day, and sometimes 4-6 hours on weekends with my friends, I would be pretentious and misleading to say "I'm a basketball player!" when asked.
I would say that I do play basketball, because I do, but I'm not a basketball player. I just play basketball.
You can do art, but you are not an artist. You do art, yes. But you are not an artist.
That's called a hobby

>>7932916
True, it should be an /ic/ law:
>the level of nodraw is directly proportional to the amount of text with no work posted

>>7932907
Not everyone is a nazi , but you might be retarded

>>7932913
> I base my judgment of a person on a job that said person doesnt care about instead of the they do of their own volition.

These are the people I share a planet with ..

>>7932995
>I base my judgment of a person on a job that said person doesnt care about instead of the they do of their own volition.
You can care about it
But "Thinking really hard about it" doesn't make you an artist
You are just being the "ideas guy" of the art world
The problem is the bongos here don't want to admit that they take art as a hobby.
Nobody does art as a hobby according to you and /ic/
Everyone is "artist,fully" but no one is "artist, hobby", because your definition of artist doesn't allow for it to be a hobby

>>7932357
>what is a Hobby Artist

>>7932357
Identity is the most important thing ever, because in the world nothing moves

>>7933005
"What to DO on your spare time"

>You can care about it
B-but "Thinking really hard about it" doesn't make you an artist

>You are just being the "ideas guy" of the art world

You think this because you have piss poor reading comprehension .

>The problem is the bongos here don't want to admit that they take art as a hobby.

You think think because you the title of artist as a job you do for money. If im a prolific serial killer, youre gonna call me that before you call me an auto mechanic regardless of whether or not I was paid to kill. This logic doesnt hold up irl

>Nobody does art as a hobby according to you and /ic/

>Everyone is "artist,fully" but no one is "artist, hobby", because your definition of artist doesn't allow for it to be a hobby

you dont know what i meant because you read as if you dropped out in 3rd grade, keep seething because youre incompetent.

>>7932357

real artists are the ones who don't do it for money, capitalists get rekt

in this case, maybe both; or they're just trying to console others. either way, you can cope about something with actual facts.

real artists are the ones who actually draw and not just talk about drawing

>>7933132
what made you come to that conclusion?

>>7932357
this is the fate of the vast majority of artist, especially the sfw ones, unless you been active and at it for a decade, but even still with all that time, you'll still fail. Just draw porn if you want money as an artist.

Can one of you bots give me a link to the original post of this instead of replying to it like machines for a second?

>>7932488
Who's gatekeeping? All I see are people saying that literally anybody can be an artist but there's a difference between saying you're an artist and having a job in the creative field

>>7933112
>You think think because you the title of artist as a job you do for money.
It is
You either get money from it, in which case you are a full artists, or you do it with passion every day at all times, even if you are broke, in which case you are a full artist as well.
"I work 12 hours and I can only make art when I can sometimes maybe", no you are not an artist
You have no passion and you get no money from it
That's a hobby. You are describing a hobby, a pleasurable activity you do, when you can sometimes, that makes you no money. Yes.
We call it a hobby.

>>7933221
>or you do it with passion every day at all times
nta, but since you're giving a quantitative definition, when precisely does making art go from being a "hobby" and being whatever you think actually qualifies someone as being an artist?

Let's put it this way guys. The Renaissance painters. Arguably the most iconic artists of all time.

Leonardo DaVinci, applied for a job with a Duke, gave 10 points, 9 were about his strengths as a military engineer and architect and only gave one mention of being a painter/sculptor. His official title after receiving his job was "Painter and Ducal Engineer"

Michelangelo was a Scultore or Sculptor.

Raphael, a Magister, he was basically a CEO of his time. He later received Architetto

These were all people who belonged to powerful guilds and had crafts outside of what history narrowed them down to.

While a lot has changed, much has not. You need to know the right people, guilds or being wealthy made finding powerful connections easier which increases your likelihood of "making it" exponentially. Everyone wants to be a Van Gogh or Picasso only discovered after their mortality, but facts are, art is so overabundant these days, that's become a pipedream similar to wanting to win the lottery. You need to get yourself in communities and talk to the right people.

>>7933230
Oh and also be specific about your skills and strengths. Using "artist" as your title is literally retarded neohippie liberal shit. K thx bye.

>>7933230
Picasso was a multi millionaire when he was alive. He was actually a good example of knowing powerful people and knowing how to market yourself.

>>7933230
Van Gogh's brother was one of the most influential art dealers in Paris. So even he had a direct line to the industry. He just died before the market caught up to him. He was bound to be successful at some point. A lot of what we romanticize in history are literally just people with connections. Lol.

>>7933246
the same people that "artists" today hate btw. Hahaha. Ouch.

>>7932357
Everyone who makes Art is an artist. So yeah it is true.
This isn't engineering, no bridge will collapse and no machines will explode if somebody creates (mediocre) art. Nor do you get any reliable guarantees from someone only showing you an art degree.

>>7932981
I'm glad we agree, word salad rambler.

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>>7932357
If women pissing in a tomato cans in the middle of the street deserve the title of artist, then so does anyone who picks up a pencil with the will to draw whenever.
This isn't engineering, no bridges will collapse from bad art.

>>7933311
Don't steal my comparison (art)

>>7933311
> The Lactation Station Breast Milk Bar (Toronto 2006,[32] Montreal 2012,[33] Edmonton 2016[34]) is a participatory performance in which audiences are invited to taste samples of human breast milk donated by new mothers [...]
I judged her too harshly based in the pic

>>7933225
When it consumes a large portion of your available time AND you are looking forward to do more
Or when it starts giving you more money than what you apply to it

>>7933309
Thanks I don't have many friends and I don't talk to people a lot so I tend to overcompensate on my posts here

>>7932357
why would having a survival job disqualify you from being an artist?

>>7933311
>This isn't engineering, no bridges will collapse from bad art.
Bridges? No.
Society? Well... how are things going?

>>7933327
>I don't have many friends
no shit

>>7933327
>When it consumes a large portion of your available time AND you are looking forward to do more
>large
>of your available time
that's markedly different from your previous definition of
>you do it with passion every day at all times
which is it?
>Or when it starts giving you more money than what you apply to it
so if I get all my supplies for free and I make one work a month for minimal money, I'm an "artist", but someone who makes art every day for, say, 15 minutes, may or may not be relative to how much time extra time they have in general and/or how consistently passionate they are?

>>7933221
Okay and if i work 8 and draw 10 (and draw while at work ) by your own definition im an artist. The inclusion of money have nothing to do with it

Im not about to call someone who make soulless corporate sloppy an artist, I will call someone who dedicates themselves to their craft while not starving an artist.

Everyone isn't you, hobbist

Stop projecting arguments youve had with others on to me and go draw you unbearable faggot

>>7933236
The opinions of someone who cares how anyone else feels about this are moot
t b h
>>7933249
Some.. God this thread insufferable, enjoy being permabeg gatekeeping idiots

>>7933344
>Okay and if i work 8 and draw 10 (and draw while at work ) by your own definition im an artist.
In that case, yes, you would be an artists under my definition and I see no conflict with it.
The money aspect is another venue to consider it "artists", it's not exclusive

>>7933343
I don't think you can paint while you eat and shit and sleep, when I said "at all times" I'm talking very obviously, figuratively
It's just when it occupies a large portion of your day bro, you are not an artist if you draw 15min a day, it's not that hard

>>7933362
>It's just when it occupies a large portion of your day bro
when does a portion of one's day become 'large'?

>>7933368
When it's bigger than your time doing something else that's non-productive

>>7933159

simple: Art is undiluted human creativity and expression. the influence of monetary incentives is inherently corrupting to human creativity and expression. by this logic art cannot truly be art unless it is free of extraneous variables.

>>7933448
When you say shit like that it makes you sound like a turbokid, with 14 years old contrarian angst
The Mona Lisa is one of the most, undisputed, renewed pieces of art ever made and it was a commission piece

>>7933459
the mona lisa is, fame among laymen aside, far from the best the renaissance had to offer by a long shot. raphael's madonna della sedia was also a commissioned piece, yet is much better than the mona lisa; even the rest of da vinci's opus was scores better

>>7933459

i'm 27, actually, but you are right: children see the world as it ought to be because their existential needs are met. it's only once you're starving and need to pay rent when you buy into capitalism as an ideology.

>>7932357
Seething

>>7932981
>words subway

>>7933309
Kek

>>7932357
A hobbyist artist is an artist, I don't see how this would be coping.

>>7933448
>the influence of monetary incentives is inherently corrupting to human creativity and expression
proof?

>>7933448
Nah sorry. Absolutism is as shitty as idealism. There are many instances where truly ground breaking creativity and financial incentive cross paths.