If you are a /beg/inner in art, please use this thread to post pieces for critique or ask for advice.DO NOT REPLY to crabs, nodraws, retards that whine about how hard drawing is or talent debates and instead focus on posted works!>STICKY:Completed: https://drive.google.com/file/d/2Vm4IJpq0Mbvb-Krl5_mJ_m6TsC_qjsaN/viewNew collaborative: https://hackmd.io/UMnZVhNITW-T1wZpHw6d0Qw/ic/i: https://sites.google.com/site/ourwici/Hardcore: https://hackmd.io/8k0XRnIQR6SValR77TDfZw?viewHardcore (wayback archive):https://hackmd.io/@0uRfwdEoRDsHFz9wibb5sA/ry8nyys6-l>WHERE to get study materials>>>/ic/artbook>>>/ic/video>Want to practice figures?quickposes.comcharacterdesigns.comlovelifedrawing.composemy.artline-of-action.com>Post Your Work and give your feedbackWhat can be improved?Are there any resources videos or books you'd recommend to them?Maybe a redline or a technique, be specific.When receiving a critique, try to provide one in return>best art teachersGlenn VilppuMichael HamptonSteve HustonBrent EvistonMarco BucciAndrew LoomisGeorge BridgmanHikaru HayashiHide Sensei>best art booksThe Art and Science of DrawingFramed PerspectiveFigure Drawing For All It's WorthPrevious thread: >>7935638
>>7936535>>7936536oozing with sovl
What makes women draw better than men? What’s their secret?I also find it interesting how back then (Renaissance days and such) women artists weren’t renowned, but now they’re abundant. My theory is they view the world more romantically so their aesthetics are more appealing.
>>7936538“Sovl” is shorthand for “shit.”
>>7936543I think this might be the worse art take I've ever heard, and I watch art youtube for laughs.
which absolute retard keeps making new threads so early
>>7936543Abundant isn't the same as good. There are a lot of legitimately great female artists out there. There are also a lot of female content creator "artists" that are just sfw onlyfans with extra steps, or otherwise have their lifestyle funded by a manWomen are better on average with color though. berrypicker af
just report him for spamming threads.
bath drawing>>7936566is there a report for that?
>>7936543>Slop gacha artLmao
>can visualise stuff quite well>start drawing>struggling to visualise a box in proper perspective >step away from the tablet for a few minutes>can imagine stuff again>go back to drawing >it's gone againOkay what the fuck is the problem? Am i even a human?
Why do I feel like my lines always come out way thinner or different than they should be? Like I try to replicate someone drawing on youtube, I'm doing the same brush with same settings, same size canvas, same zoom in... and more often than not my lines are sparse and hard to see and the guy on youtube is getting thicker and clearer lines to the point it looks like a completely different brush being used but is not. This has happened enough times with different people/brushes to realize this issue is probably not on differing brush settings. Is there some secret setting out there? Is it my tablet? I have a wacom intuous and wintab is selected. Pic related, supposed to be the same brush at the same canvas settings
Every time I share one of my art related successes with my friend he just visibly cringes at me and changes the subject. Idk why I even keep trying to tell him about stuff but its my only hobby and I guess I want to share with people.
>>7936571just do the spamming optionit worked for when he was trying to split the threads between /beg/ and /int/, but jannies don't seem to be doing anything about him almost instantly making a new thread as soon as we hit bump limit, despite the board's slower activity and still being on like page 2
>>7936617Maybe your pressure is too light. You could always just increase the brush size too.>>7936619You can share with us, Anon!
>>7936543This has never been true for literally any profession in the entirety of existence.Men are better at EVERYTHING compared to women, on average.This is why the most popular writers are men:>William Shakespeare>Stephen King>James Patterson>Christopher Columbus>Neil Gaiman>David BaldacciThis is why the most popular artists are men:>Leonardo DaVinci>Picasso>Andrew Loomis>Vincent van Gogh>Adolf Hitler>Michelangelo>Proko>RembrandtNearly ALL of the best chefs are MEN.Nearly ALL of the best musicians are MEN.Nearly ALL of the best ANYTHING are MEN.Men, on average, are ALWAYS better than women at any difficult pursuit. Sure, there are SOME females that are better than males at something. But on AVERAGE, most men are BETTER than women at literally everything.This isn't a misogynistic take, it's literally factual.
>>7936625>You can share with us, Anon!I appreciate the sentiment and do post here but its a bit different with getting acceptance or even praise with an irl friend I guess.
>>7936613I get this as well. No idea what's up with it.
>>7936634Unfortunately in this life that is the most common reaction friends will have to news of your success. If you get a promotion at work, it reminds them they're not trying hard enough in their career. If you get in better shape, it reminds them they're not being diligent about exercise. And it's probably even worse with art skills, which are known to be difficult to even learn, let alone git gud or monetize, and which many "people" regard as frivolous anywayIt takes a very secure person to be happy for another person's success irl. The natural human reaction is to crab. Pay attention to what reactions you receive from which people, and don't dim your light for anyone, they aren't worth it
>>7936653Ty for talking to me about it friend, I’ll try to be happy with what I get and with any progress I may make.
>>7936613I can relate. My mind goes completely blank when I'm sitting before a canvas and my vivid imagination returns the second I step away. Genuinely bizarre
>>7936662Np anon. It's one of those things that feels perverse at first and then you kinda get used to it
Black guy. I tried to color him in to show that he is black, but I don't have that skill yet, so it looked flat. I left it out.
>>7936619Are they conventionally aesthetic successes or are they "artistic" in the modern sense perhaps with less broad appeal? I'm friends with painter who's doing very well, and I'm pleased for him, but I sometimes don't see what others value in his work. The visible cringe is a bit much, though.
>>7936672I’m somewhat happy with the progress I’ve made aesthetically but want to improve more of course. People online have been reacting well and I got my first commission recently.
>>7936653You’re a retarded faggot.
>>7936516what book is eminem throwing at me?
>>7936687I'm rubber; you're glue
>>7936688thats the taco anime book
~10 minute sketches, I still just completely shit myself on arms a lot of times>>7936644Damn that’s really nice
>>7936695thank you I hope taco takes me out of /beg/
>>7936698I can’t believe the sideways shit still happens even with the newest phones
>>7936613it's an illusion, the visualizations aren't as strong as they feelwith practice you can hold it for longer and clearer
>>7936698Thank you friend
>>7936613please go to the /visualisers/ general
Lets make new threads everytime thw bump limit reached. That would funny.
>>7936740kys pedro
feels like i'm stagnating a bit, trying to punch above my weight a bitwhat are your thoughts on the fabric texture at this stage? i want the dress to be more exceptional also, feet and hands kick my ass
>>7935813I tried something different
>>7936770I still think it looks better without the flat colors desu
>>7936770I kinda like this one better honestly. Nice work.
>>7936770Nice! Looks great but have you considered using vectors for lining?
am i deluding myself or is this a pretty solid sketch? i know the brush is doing some heavy lifting of couse
>>7936627to be honest it's tough to say this as women were not considered whole people for most of history. we don't know if there could've been a female artist better than davinci because women were basically just cattle
>>7936770humiliation ritual
>>7936770wow an anime woman with comically oversized breasts, truly novel
>>7936772thanks>>7936773I tried using it right after switching to digital because of the line editor gimmick, but then I went back to raster layers because I usually make a sketch and clean it up until it's presentable
>>7936777now imagine it as being whatever fetish you like. so much better right??
>>7936777Right let’s all draw gay porn on notebook paper or maybe a frog
>>7936770LMAO HE IS SOO SHIT IS AT COLOR
>>7936777do you prefer birds?tomorrow I'm going to paint my cat in trad style for the first time
>>7936782go away storm king nodraw crab lord
>>7936783>i took a dynamic sketching coursefuck off dykers
>>7936782is at
>>7936770Did you make this thread? Can you please delete it?
COME BACK TO THE OLD THREAD EVERYONE>>7935638>>7935638>>7935638>>7935638>>7935638
>>7936770this fag or 7 year fagwho is the fuck making these threads?I know he is among us right now
>>7936790>>7936792>>7936794Fuck off you annoying indian retard.
>>7936535Nah I'd rather hit another blinker
>>7936796no u
>>7936794picrel was the last thread I madeand I only did it when it got to page 9 or image limit
>>7936797troll
>>7936796no saar
>>7936770why is she yellow
>>7936799>>7936801>>7936806>>7936822fuck off jeets
More bridgman stuff
Why is that art getting so many weird replies? I'm new to these threads and that looks pretty good.Is it AI or something? These threads make no sense.>>7936846Good studies
>>7936846Good stuff . Bridgman looks good in purple
>>7936847just the local schizobeg schizopostingdon't worry about that
>>7936516I'm so tired of these endless insults I get from here.>honest critiques from /ic/That is just a meme. The problem is that /ic/ often confuses cruelty with honesty. So did I, now I understand it.
>>7936847Leave here now, these crabs won't let us leave.
>>7936853go to reddit/discord if you can't handle /ic//ic/ was ten times meaner just a couple years ago, this is nothing
>>7936855Are you saying /ic/ is useful so that I will stay in here?>/ic/ was ten times meaner just a couple years ago, this is nothingIt is still as cruel as before. It is impossible to tell whether the critiques I am receiving here are trolling or not, as you said,/ic/ is nothing but dust.
>>7936847>>7936850Thank you! :)
>>7936859nta, I have gotten good critique on /ic/ a handful of time, but none of it was stuff I couldn't have gotten on reddit or discord as well. In general, I think discords or other closed groups are the best place to get critique, cause feedback is much more meaningful if the other people know how you've been progressing. Unless you're one of the thread celebrities, no one here will even remember the last thing you posted, nevermind be able to tell it was you.I'd say /ic/ is just ahead of reddit and twitter in terms of critique, but it's probably the only place with this many trolls and nodraws crabbing you, so if you don't know how to filter information, it will be the place most prone to misleading you
>>7936863>no one here will even remember the last thing you posted, nevermind be able to tell it was you.We can tell. Blogposting is not the way, place is insufferable these days for a reason >nevermindIt can be done through text, Do you really think it's impossible to do isolate individuals through their drawings?
>>7936865Individual anons will care, that's probably true, but speaking from my own experience, I have never had the experience of someone here referring to my old work, while it's common practice in other places. The most I've seen is people preemptively pointing to their old stuff as well.Again, aside from thread celebrities like purple guy atm
>>7936847>Is it AI or something?It probably is AI or a copy of another artist, alternatively it's a copy of a 3D pig disgusting body (proto AI) . It's easy to tell right? It looks soulless, aimless, boring, it has no gesture. Funny because even copies that are actually drawn look soulful
>>7936868holy copium
>>7936870Say that again without crying *farts in your mouth*loser
>>7936872nothing was copied, I even posted it on my blognow go wipe away your permabeg tears while trying to cope with it
>>7936868>>7936870>>7936872>>7936874wtf are you guys even talking about?
actually never mind if it's AI or photoshop rotation it doesn't really matter to me, the fuck do i care, It's all shit these days. Not giving attention to a fucking sociopath loser doe
>>7936876permabeg crab who never post his work doesn't accept that others can do what he cannot
>>7936571the twinks head is too massive
>>7936879thanks for the explaination.
never getting good at this rate. i want to kill myself
I love eating ass.
>>7936884human face + value study are hard anon. Maybe try something easier first?
Perspective is so fun bros. I should really get into mechs. I probably won't bother mapping out shadows on one tho.
>>7936890I would just eyeball the shadow.
>>7936890PAWELL BEHAVIOURRR
>>7936893pawell didnt construct anything he xerox copied illustrations from perspective books
>>7936893shut up cunt
>>7936893Pawell didn't understand the content of what he read. Also, know your place you stinky smelly nodraw.
>>7936893he copied like 10 perspective books cover to cover and still couldn't draw a cube in perspective
>>7936894>>7936898>>79369007 year faggot disagree
>>79369017 year anon is a bit stunted
>cant draw>all art friends abandoned me>cant draw
>>7936901no wonder he's still a beg after 7 years
I am platonist and I hate art.
>>7936898Is this your work? What course did you watch to render like this?
>>7936884Heads are hard. I'd recommend blocking in the general light and shaodw shapes with a big brush, or even the lasso tool and then working on the smaller shapes and details. You seem to have used a mostly uniform brush for everything, which will be both messy and not flexible enough for the fine details.
>>7936914looking at it again, I should have done the hair differently
>>7936914This is some great stuff. Thanks!
>>7936825SAAR! my name is Sanjeet
>>7936865>>7936863I suspect the ones who are insulting me every time I post here are the pros clowning on me behind the anonymityWhy do I think like that?. Because no one would stay in a thread for a long time just to troll every day for years unless they are posting their artwork regularly here.
How long realistically should i take to practice drawing boxes and circles? As in the length of time it should take to draw one? I find circles to be particularly brutal but i realize my construction is horrible because I don't have the ability to draw the shapes in a 3d manner.
>>7936979Do it as a warm-up until you give up doing that.
>>7936914look better on the thumbnail
Should I post hereI don't get it anymore
>>7936982Thanks, means my practice is working
>>7936983Is this watercolor? I kneel….Do you have any advice for someone trying to get into it? Sometimes what I paint turns out really nice and I’m able to block out animal parts well, otherwise it turns into muddy shit(here’s a recent piece with both). This is super clean so I want to see if you’ve got any insight.
>>7936989It looks like copic to me
>>7936989>>7936991Sorry it's digital, it's the Wamudraws brush Don't hate me
>>7936998i fucking hate youLEAVE NOW
>>7936998i fucking love youSTAY FOREVER
How do I appeal?>>7936516Are all the links broken?>>7936989I just got into watercolor too.>any color can be made>cheapSometimes watercolor annoys me. because I use print papers. than make blending hard and using too much water ruins the paper. There is a reason why colors get muddy. I don't remember why. Colors that are too far apart in the color wheel get muddy or something.idk I just got into watercolor, I have nothing to say.
>>7937011Imagine taking this shitty dark-ass photo, posting it in the wrong orientation and thinking to yourself "Yeah, this is how I want my work presented".
>>7937013You can be mice
>>7937015Okay, I'm George you're Lennie.
>>7936860>>7936846this faggot openly admitted he is the one who call Pawell a perma/beg/. crabs that drag us into the bucket are not in the buttom they are on the top that kick everyone who is trying to climb. FUCK YOUUUU
Shame witch doctor type guy
>>7937018>buttomShut up ELS faggot.
FUCK
>>7937022How many languages do you speak, champ?
>>7937024You mad bro? LOL
My whey foo
>>7936774the fact that no one responded to this filled me with Rage. it is very solid. it is cute and good. fix the perspective on the shoulder and arm that is farther away because right now it looks significantly larger than the other side. I make this mistake often and cannot correct it because I am tradcuck. use the medium to your advantage. he/she is very cute.
It’s a skull snake guys. A skull snake. Cmon.
>>7937018How embarrassing. I speak one 1 language. What's wrong with that? LOL
>>7937028DO YOU NOW UNDERSTAND HOW I FEEL?????????? WHEN I GET NO (You)s I CRY FOR DAYS
>>7936774>>7937028I was gonna respond and then I forgot.The face is noticeably /beg/ but outside of that I agree it’s really cute and looks good
>>7937023>>7937027>>7937031Cool
This one is okay I guess
Troll posts have been so weak recently.
He's so mad right now LOL
>>7936775this is complete hogwashwomen have literally taken over the writer's sphere and it's still MEN who are the best at itmen simply have a proclivity for greatness because no one is there to coax them when they suckmen are forced to be greatmen are NOTHING if they are not good at somethingwomen already have value, men are fucking worthlessso it's obvious that men have to work 10x harder just to be seen and by the time they are, they far surpass femalesthats why you can go on GoodReads right now, read a sample of all the books written by women and all the books written by men (of which there aren't many because GoodReads pushes female authors over men) and 100% of the time the men's books will be better than ALL of the females booksevery single time
>>7937037>>7937031>>7937027>>7937023are we suppose give critique to all of these?
>>7937042Who are we? I bet you have nothing to say about that anon artworks.
>>7937045he is blog posting we have nothing to say
>>7937045NTA but the point is the other anon is just blogposting for no purpose.
>>7937047You are not the entire thread. What's wrong with posting your artwork to be seen? you can pyw to but then you are a mean nodraw.
>>7937049>What's wrong with posting your artwork to be seen?>f you are a /beg/inner in art, please use this thread to post pieces for critique or ask for advice.
>>7937049he got cooked in this.
>>7937041This is the truth but foids and white knights will never accept it. Bell curve etc.Also the narrative that women were just human chattel up until 1950 is inaccurate, you can find examples of women owning businesses or going into politics even in ancient times
>>7937045I did all of these recently so I posted them all. Here I go clogging threads and clogging shitters as per usual
>>7937050LOL. So nothing wrong then. The act of posting work alone imply the need for criticism. KYS faggot
NAHUNC GOT COOKED
>>7937054Hey buddy, this website is 18+.
i just wanted to be happy.
“People don’t seek happiness; only the English do.” - Nietzsche
Hey I found this cool website www.reddit.com you should all go there
>>7937057LOL how pathetic.
We have people here who are younger than reddit which is fucking wild
>>7937060Even me? The blog posting pencil slop cuck boy? I’ll get 50 upvotes at most.
>>7937059he ddint said that
>>7937062ITT they're pushing 100%
>>7937064It's obvious you want validation and not critique so yes, especially you. You'll get showered with praise and learn nothing.
This is the longest gab between 2 image posts keep going
>>7937070Why would you even assume that just because I posted multiple images? Critique me then and rinse the shit off your cheerios.
>>7937070shut up faggot. We didn't ask for your opinion.
All /int/s must die AHAHAHAHAHHAHA
>>7937065Twilight of the Idols, aphorism 12
Here critique this piece of shit. It’s a real piece of shit. I’m just gonna keep shitting in this thread until my asshole bleeds.
>>7937078Very grey, very /beg/
>>7937078can I redraw this im >>7937028you are early on but you have decent creative concepts if these are original, and not copies it's an oppressive amount of creative execution and design. if these are copies just keep on going at observation also, you're shading a lot when you should probably be focusing more on your solid lines and structure at your stage. if you want to do more with the values, remember that brighter highlights make things look less muddy either way, keep up the good work>>7937034just ask me for a you in particular etc >>7937035honestly, I may not be the best person to critique anime faces because I can never tell where they stand in quality
>>7937080Yeah you can. This is one of my most hated things I’ve made recently.
>>7937081so these are original then? like these aren't copies of someone else's fantasy designs?
>>7937082No. Inspired, maybe. But all from imagination.
>>7937078>critique thisAgain, this is not asking for critique. When everything is wrong, critiquing is not possible.Look for posts that get the most (You)s and see what they're like. But then again you don't have any interest in learning so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>>7937085I live a busy, unfortunate, uncomfortable life relatively speaking. It’s hard for me to sit down and learn but I have watched videos and took art lessons. You seem to be incapable of critiquing because this is a beginner and intermediate thread anyway…
>>7937083do some studies from observation of similar subjects. you can use sketchfab models. reference studies will help your imagination stuff
>>7937088All I have is a phone so this is semi difficult to do but I will try. I have done study like this in the past but enough.
>>7937091I've never watched like a study video or anything. I just look at references on my phone also. you can just screenshot the pose you want on the sketchfab model so that it's stable and you won't accidentally move it. It's going to be the place to find the best references for your subject matter probably I never really watch any videos for learning or anything or study in a conventional sense etc but observation gives you way better ground and it's honestly easy and probably won't interfere much with your work cycle to just have something to look at that's more structured and proportioned and then put your own ideas on top
>>7936644die /int/
>>7937097stfu fried nigger
>>7937094Ok I will try this. Thanks. Probably will make things look more 3d that way. My drawings are very flat. And I’m no good at line weight or anything like that.
>>7937100shut up faggot
>>7937101This is my edgiest drawing. His is name is XxBloodslizerxX
The mouth was so unbelievably difficult to draw.I think I'll just write for the rest of the day.>>7936794Is 7 years in the room with us right now?Lmao, it's hilarious people are so mind broken they think I'm in their walls at this point.I took a break from /ic/ and people were still talking about me in the old threads, accusing others of being me.And this is only from being consistent for two weeks. Imagine what months of consistent posting would do to /ic/.It would be unrecoverable. Everyone would potentially be "the 7 years fag."I will say that being in OP three times in a row does make me a suspect.I don't have the time nor care enough to make collages as a guise to to promote my art.I really don't care.>>7936863/ic/ is the only place you'll get responses if you're an actual beginner.Reddit is what everyone tries first until they realize actual beginner artwork gets no replies in r/LearnDrawing so they look for other places. That's my story, at least. Which is funny because if I got actual responses on Reddit, I wouldn't have discovered /pol/ and been redpilled about dajoos and the vaccines. So I guess I got something good out of it.>>7936904>>7936901What are you benchods talking about?>>7937014I personally believe anyone that is good at drawing while also being a crab didn't struggle to attain their skill. Because it came easy to them, with very little work on their part, they're worried other people might also attain that level of skill with the same amount of ease. That's why they have to crab on other people and make sure that they are demotivated before they even start.Contrast this with people who genuinely struggled to get good at drawing: these people will try to help you. Mainly because they know it's so fucking difficult that it's unlikely that their skill will appear "common." This is why they don't care about the fallout of teaching others to draw. They know that only a tiny fraction of the people listening will actually improv
>>7937103we parody this now, but that kind of design made some cartoonist in 1980s employable to some Editor's eyes.
>>7937103you know you can report people for being rude to you.
>>7937108Yeah but that’s the epic fun of this website is everybody saying faggot and Retard and all the words my mom doesn’t like. Jk but yeah it takes too much time. If you guys could help me report em thatd be cool.
>>7937105This might be your worst. Try to draw more instead of writting wall of text.
>>7937107Yeah. Less access to resources back then. I could see how. I missed the mark I guess. I’m still young I could be professional before I die maybe. I’ll never stop drawing. I’m in love with it. Though there are off days or even off weeks or months. What are some cartoons that had this kind of style?
>>7937108>>7937111Please don't be gay niggers
>>7937115That did make me laugh.
>>7937105I never really gave a try to reddit.
>>7937108
>>7937118shut up cunt.
>>7937122Gay baby
geez crabs really won't leave us alone
>>7937113It's pretty bad but I'd say this is my worst: >>7936454 and pic related was when it started to fall apart.Draw more unironically doesn't work in every case.Particularly in mine where I fell into a negative feedback loop.It'll only increase frustration and lead to burnout for the fiftieth time.I gotta either take a break or draw some easy shit to get back to normal.This is particularly true for beginners, not so much for /int/ artists. An /int/ might draw something bad once in a while but not enough to fall into a loop and break their motivation for drawing. /beg/ operates differently so "just draw" doesn't always work.If I do break the negative feedback loop cycle, I'll update with how I did it.
>>7937125again stop typing wall of text please. I will not read those.
how to improve my tracing to be more accurate in the amount of same time?
When will I be able to sit down to draw and not feel a sense of dread? Been at it for years and it hasn't happened yet.
>>7937126>>7937126As mentioned previously, the advice of "just draw" doesn't work for /beg/, but I think it's important to elaborate on why this is the case; particularly because it appears that /int/ artists are unaware that advice that works for /int/ artists doesn't necessarily mean that it will work for /beg/ artists. That would be like saying manual transmission vehicles operate exactly the same as automatic transmission vehicles. They appear to operate similarly but juxtaposing them will reveal their drastic dissimilarities. >just drawThe idea of "just draw" assumes that the receiver of said advice understands the nuance of those two words. This is often not the case as it is typically /beg/ who are asking for advice, those of which cannot discern the the nuance of said phrase. Thus, when dealing with /beg/ artists, a different approach must be taken.>contextBeginner artwork lacks one HUGE thing that /int/ artwork doesn't: context.The reason why it's easier to critique /int/ artwork is because it's easy to discern the context in which it is drawn in. The mistake people often make in comparing /beg/ artwork to /int/ artwork is assuming that the complexity of critique comes from the fact that /int/ artwork is generally better anatomically than /beg/ artwork. This is not the case. It's the context that matters. /beg/ artwork CAN, in fact, be created within context, but this is unlikely as learning context requires skill (of which a /beg/ won't have).So what should we do?>questions, questions, questionsIn order to critique /beg/ artwork, questions must be asked. This encapsulates said artwork into a particular context making it significantly easier to give valuable critique to said beginner. Would people actually spend time doing this?>time & skillI don't necessarily think it's a matter of time. I mean, if you're on /ic/, your time can't really be THAT valuable. Thus, I believe it has to do with lack of skill above anything else.(part 1 of 163)
>>7937138What a fucking schizoid. I did not read a single word.
>>7937138the thing is simple: have a high or midline IQ.If you aren'ta retard you don't need advice, you are intelligent enough to see mistake and to seek solutions (youtube, googling,blogs, books, observing others drawing). But if you are a retard or mentally ill, then no advice will ever be good enough to help.Advice really is more for /adv/ or very high /int/, when the fundies are firm and expertly applied. What advice could anyone in /beg/ even want or need? Open any how-to-draw source, no matter, and see the same techniques being presented again and again.For copying learn accurate angles and distances by... drawing more. For drawing from imagnation learn drawing in 3d (boxes, if you are a retard who needs this),construction and then experiment a bit to learn attractive new symbols that work-> especially for the face and hands.What else is there even to say. Advice is just noise. Beginners should just ask a LLM. Those are good at repeating back what has been said hundreds of times.
I got laid yesterday if I start draw a box today how long should it took before I can support myself through commissions?
>>7937139>time & skillNot to be confused with lack of skill for the process itself. The lack of skill I'm referring to here is the lack of ability to teach. To teach a beginner requires an immense amount of conscious foundational knowledge, much of which is lost when one attempts to pursue any skill at a high level. This is because in order to be able to draw, you need to be able to do things subconsciously. Things that your hand just do without you telling it, like getting right proportions, perspective, line quality, etc. But to teach, you need to be conscious of all of this all of the time. That's simply a bar that's too high for the average /int/. The average /int/ just want to post in /beg/ threads for validation before they move onto their next drawing. This is 100% true of all artists, particularly the ones who started drawing before they were adults. The /beg/ must be different, however. That leads into another point.>validation vs disciplineMost artists who started when they were young rely on validation. It's erroneous to believe that most artists are disciplined. If you look at the state of /ic/ /int/ artists, you'll quickly find that these people are the opposite of disciplined. The only reason they draw is because they FEEL like drawing, not because they force themselves to. This is complete opposite of how the people of /fit/ treat the gym. The gym isn't a place you go to when you FEEL like going, you go there because you HAVE to. You use discipline. The average /int/ artist DOES NOT have discipline. They got good by simply drawing whenever they felt like it. This is particularly why it typically takes 10+ years before they achieve any level of competency. It's not that drawing consistently, every single day, for 10+ years is what it takes to be good at drawing, it's that they need to balance video games, movies, social media, and jacking off within that time frame. The point is, discipline is a rare trait found in all artists.(part 2 of 163)
>>7937143As expected. Dance for me my puppet.
>>7937143how do you got so good at writing?
>>7937143Damn your copies say a lot about your taste in anime. It suck.
>>7937140The idea of:>you just have low iq / mentally ill / permabeg / etc.is just a way for /int/ artists to avoid criticism of their bad advice.The fact of the matter is that TEACHING IS HARD.It's very, very difficult.You think that just because you can draw that automatically means you can teach?ABSOLUTELY NOT.Teaching requires the same trial/error and failures that learning to draw requires. However, because most /int/ artists never failed at drawing much (either drawing came easy to them or they just always felt like drawing enough to get good), the idea of failing a lot is foreign to the average /int/ artist. Thus, when they continuosly give advice on how to draw and it keeps on not working, the only fallback they can come up with is:>WELLLLLL YUORE R JUST RETARDED!!!!!!!This is further exacerbated by the fact that whenever you say:>drawing isn't fun right now/int/ artists say:>if drawing isn't fun, then just quitThat reveals the fact that /int/ artists did not use discipline to get good at drawing. They drew when they felt like it. Thus, any talk of discipline is invalid and this immediately reveals why they immediately say /beg/ artists are retarded or low iq./int/ artists simply don't like being told that they're bad at something. But it's not a hit to the ego if you're bad at teaching. Teaching is fucking hard as shit. You need to have the mental fortitude of a fucking boulder to handle it. And the average /int/ artist just doesn't have the mental fortitude or discipline to handle teaching /beg/ artists.That's fine.But saying>everyone is retarded / low iq / mentally illis just a huge copout for lack of skill in teaching.
We have a new SCHIZO in the house. I repeat we e a new SCHIZO in the house.
>>7937146That's the thing.I don't fucking know.I just write a lot because I love writing.I can sit here and pretend like I can give great writing advice but the fact of the matter is that I'm simply so obsessed with writing that all I do is write almost all of the time.This is how most artists who are /int/ are like.They just love drawing so much that they can't stop drawing.But when you ask them how they got so good, they have nothing, just like I have nothing.The truth is: I don't fucking know. I just wrote a lot.This is why I said:>either drawing came easy to them or they just always felt like drawing enough to get goodIt's because it's true.Writing came easy to me AND I always felt like writing.But artists are here pretending like they have this extreme amount of discipline when they don't.They're just like me when it comes to writing, they do what they feel like doing and what they enjoy.That's fine, but don't get an ego about it.That's the main reason AI fucked artists so hard when writers barely took a hit.>>7937144>if i reframe my intentions then I WIN!!lmao, good tryunlike you, i actually enjoy writing about drawingpic is page 54 of my series about drawing>>7937151>newI have bad news for you.
tldr
>>7937153>tldr/int/ artists can't teach /beg/ because teaching drawing is harder than learning how to draw
>>7937154Teaching /beg/ is not /int/ responsible.
>>7937157Besides the point.The point is that EVEN IF /int/ tried, they wouldn't be able to teach /beg/.>b-b-but they never triedSure, whatever preserves your ego.
>>7936774The waist and torso area is fucked, the hands are bad, and the face is very wonky. Despite all that this has real appeal I like the lines and slight gesture. Don’t get cocky
tl;dr I ignore all advice because I'm a sperg
>>7937159Nice strawman faggot. KYS
>>7937162Basically this. Too dumb for advice.
>>7937165I would watch your tone.You're the one asking for a tldr.This implies you are incapable maintaining consciousness when reading for more than a few seconds.Thus, by this deduction, you are incapable of attaining knowledge beyond it's surface level.This applies to all of you as well:>>7937166>>7937162The incapability of pointing out the flaw in any of my points proves that I am the only one here so far with any sense of reason.I do realize I am on an art board and thus the people here might lack logical sense in favor of intuition, but that would only prove me right. Feel free to prove any one of my points wrong using actual logic, if you dare. I wouldn't recommend it though. Seeing the responses I have gotten in my time here, I have found not a single person capable of proving even a single one of my points wrong.I am starting to believe that I am impossible to prove wrong.
>>7937154it really isnt, most of it is just laziness and no real intent to learn. you can do anything if you truly set your mind to it and it wont come easy. draw a thousand hands by the end of the year, from reference and from memory after and you'll be a master next year. shit just takes time. cute face.
>>7937167no no I mean your spergy ramblings really are too long and I didn't read them lol
>>7937169Same LOL. Redditor behaviour.
>>7937101I don't have time to render this slop but I thought he would look cool with really huge hands. Godspeed anon
>>7937162i've seen this guy reject all advice, some people are just unteachable
>>7937169Exactly.So watch your tone.If you are incapable of reading, calling others "low iq" is a projection of your inadequacies.It's okay to be on the low end of the bell curve, but you won't catch me making my way on the other side of the bell curve to respond in the manner in which your uneducated kind responds.That's precisely why I take you down with logic and why you are incapable of responding in tandem.I don't need insults.Those are for the lower class. The uneducated. The poor. The peasants.The white man needs not worry about the opinions of the other kinds. He simply puts them in their place, as I do to you.
>>7937179LOL what a schizo you are
>>7937179sharty post o algo
>>7937179You're doing the same thing as him.
I feel like faces that are almost symmetrical but just tilted/angled very slightly are the hardest to draw, this shit is turbo nightmare mode. It feels impossible to get everything lined up right without just redoing shit over and over until it looks right.
>>7937168Nope.Like I said before, /int/ artists just happen upon being good at drawing. They don't make a conscious effort to get good. They do what they feel like doing in the same manner in which I got good at writing by just writing. I didn't discipline myself or force myself or do something ridiculous like write a hundred thousand poems to get good at it. I just wrote a lot. There isn't any specific piece of advice that I can give to teach others how to write because I genuinely don't know.What you are trying to do is just make something up.You yourself didn't grind a thousand hand drawings yet you tell others to do that.Almost any advice that you or any /int/ artist gives is not anything they actually did.The only advice they actually followed was "just draw."But that's as eroneous as saying, "just write."It's true but means nothing.This is why I say that teaching how to draw is harder than drawing itself.It's because anyone who actually knows how to draw is on the same boat as me when it comes to writing.They don't know what the fuck they did to get good.The difference is that I don't pretend to know how to teach others to write and get mad at people for not taking my shit writing advice seriously./ic/ on the other hand can't handle criticism.Look at this thread.They can't argue a single one of my points.They're talking back and forth with each other about surface level shit when we could be getting deep into how to actually deduce this drawing business. It's a critique board after all, the whole point of this board's existence.But people treat it like an art gallery and validation farming.That's why no one improves on /ic/.That's why my points are never refuted.That's why I remain correct on all of my points, all the time.
>>7937185yeah the more subtle angles are the hardest
>>7937189how come you make up theories about how to get good at drawing but not for writing
>>7937142Sacrilegious but you might as well try to become an AI artist kek
>>7935992More anime girl
stop poking the schizo he's gonna write another 1000 word permabeg essay
>>7937192Because I'm past the point where analyzing how to learn writing as a beginner wouldn't work.I'm not a beginner writer anymore, what the hell do I know about beginner writers?I am, however, a beginner artist.Thus, I can START NOW to theorize and figure out ways to get better at drawing NOW.Relating drawing to writing gives me a logical advantage in figuring out how to learn how to draw.If I "just draw" a lot and get good at drawing, I'll be in the same boat as I am in writing.That is:>i would be able to draw, but i wouldn't be able to teach itThen I'd have to do what everyone in this thread is doing which is BLAME THE STUDENT to deflect criticism.That's why I document literally EVERY drawing I do.That way, if I stick with drawing, anyone can go back and deduce what it took for me to get good, not just believe anything I say with my words.Look at any /int/ artist's advice.What proof do they have that they actually got good with what they are telling you?What's stopping them from just lying?
>>7937152Your notes has some very interesting stuff. Unironically a great way of internalizing things. Keep going bro
>>7937196I do feel a kinda bad, a little trolling with my coffee is just too fun to resist>>7937200I would never be so cruel to him as to say something like this though
>>7937199how would a /beg/ know how to get better?
>>7937203Stop poking the schizo faggot
>>7937199you never answered what you want to drawyou only said you need to get better at drawing
>>7936770Nice work
>>7937114yer design reminds me of spawn, issue 1 was released in 1992, the artist was 31 at the time. The design was made during his teens.very edge
>>7937203>Thus, I can START NOW to theorize and figure out ways to get better at drawing NOW.I assume this part confused you.But I specifically used the word "figure out" to imply that I don't CURRENTLY know how to get better at drawing.That's the purpose of documenting literally everything I do and think./ic/ is just another place I can also document my progress, in case anything happens to me.>>7937204Don't tell other people what to do.I understand that you have little control over the aspects in your life and the only place you have any semblance of control is on /ic/ threads, but not when I'm around. Leave your daddy issues at the door when I'm in the building.>>7937205Fair enough.My goal is to be able to draw like Andrew Loomis.Not at his level of ability, that's not what I mean.What I really mean is:>how to have fun with your pencilThat's my goal.What does it take to have fun with your pencil?How do you make drawing actually enjoyable?That's my primary goal above all my other goals.I feel like I am getting close.And the closer I get, the stronger the crabbing becomes./int/ artists realize that if I release the truth about enjoying drawing, it's like releasing the cure for cancer (which already exists). It will discombobulate the entire industry. Instead of fighting against corpo Jews, I am fighting against a botnet of crabs.But like that pepe picture says:>one life, worth an attempt
>>7937189A lot of evidence on what enabled people to make big contributions points to a professor was a terrible instructor and the student had to work hard to learn it for themselves. I suggest a rule:What you learn from others you can use to follow;What you learn for yourself you can use to lead.
>>7937189>Like I said before, /int/ artists just happen upon being good at drawingnah, you have to practice to get good, there is no other way around it faggot. stop being lazy and retarded
>>7937176Man that is badass
he run out of shitty pictures to post LOL.
>>7937221maybe he'll make another epic meme
>>7937176Thank you man
>>7937216so you admit you don't know anything. you act like a know-it-all but know nothing.
>>7937213Wow it does look like spawn. I must have subconsciously got it from that. Thanks anon.
>>7937226>so what you're saying isAre you the one who brought up "strawman" earlier because you're not doing so well logically right now.
>>7937228different anon, try to keep up>I don't CURRENTLY know how to get better at drawing.direct quote from you
>>7937218I don't buy this.How did I get out of /beg/ in writing?I will say that I haven't surpassed /int/ when it comes to writing and for that I will need to sit down and really study how to write like the great writers, but I never used "discipline" or any of this stupid shit to get good at it.The same is true for artists.Especially the ones that tell you to quit when you don't enjoy it. That just proves they didn't use discipline to get good at it, they enjoyed doing it and so they did what they felt like doing and got good.That just proves my point.That's why people in this thread are avoiding my points because they realize that they're proving all of my points right. They thought they could tell me to quit and that it would actually happen but the only thing that happened was it gave me valuable insight: it proved to me that artists don't>put their nose to the grindstoneor use "discipline" to get good at drawing.They just drew when they felt like drawing and got good.This is how it worked for me in writing and why, without really trying, I have every single one of my professors telling me I have the best writing they've ever read (granted, these are college students so not exactly la crème de la crème but that's besides the point).
be ready I am making a new threadwe are close to reaching the bump limit.
Schizo hour! Ha ha ha ha.
>>7937230Great!Lets do direct quotes if you want to die on that hill.>so you admit you don't know anythingWhat does this say?Literally: knows "absolutely nothing."Yes, see pic related.Is that "knowing absolutely nothing"?You tell me :)Oh, and I'd advise you to not say:>i'm not a crabBecause if you're that anon that said that before, you're only going to trap yourself in a logical loop.
>>7937234KYS faggot.
>>7937238by resorting to semantic word games you already lost
>>7937242You admitted defeat by using absolutes like: knows absolutely nothing.I simply pulled the knife from your deceased corpse.
He's partially right. Just drawing will not let you improve, for that you need to constantly challenge yourself. However anyone who is serious about improving should already want to challenge themselves, so "Just draw" actually becomes the correct advice again. Those that understand "Just draw" as only ever staying in their comfort zone either had no interest in improving, or are scared to fail. Neither of which makes the advice bad.Also saying that no int has ever had to have discipline or make a conscious effort is the stupidest take I have ever heard
>>7937246By doing "just draw" I built a habit of drawing always.It is the fundation to everything.
>>7937246Granted.I should have said MOST /int/ artists have no discipline.Or rather, any artist on /int/, particularly ones who ell you to quit when you don't immediately enjoy drawing as a /beg/, have not used discipline when learning how to draw./int/ artists are simply not as impressive as they want you to think they are.They say they "put their nose to the grindstone" while actively telling people who don't enjoy drawing in the beginning to quit. Does that sound like a disciplined person to you?
This is probably my best drawing.
>>7937250I still don't agree with "most", but that's besides the point and I doubt I can change your mind.Fwiw, I don't think not enjoying it sometimes as a beg is a sign you will never make it. There were certainly times I didn't enjoy it. And even ints have times where they don't enjoy drawing.However if you NEVER enjoy it, and constantly have to be assured that it can be fun, why are you even drawing? If you have no faith that drawing will be enjoyable, even if it isn't currently, why would you torture yourself?Of course most anons that complain only want to vent a bit, which is totally fair, but some genuinely seem miserable and like they want to do anything but draw, and I question what they even see in art.
>>7937250woah the schizo admitted he was wrong about something
why are there 67 kirkillion active beg threads at the same time
>>7937262Text wall schizo make the thread himself.
what social media should I use if i want a lot of likes and attention?tumblr? it kinda good, but no porn. It makes me sad.X? post dies in 10 secDeviantArt? I get a lot of views but no stars or any comments. It makes me sad, tooReddit? No karma.BlueSky? Twitter but worseYouTube? i cant make videos
>>7937256It's the same as the gym.Why bother going to gym if you don't like lifting weights?But that's not the point.The point is that it gives you something.That's discipline: doing what you don't want to do for a benefit.That's why I say that /int/ artists don't have discipline. If you LIKE drawing and WANT to draw, that's not discipline. That's just doing what you feel like doing. Which pretty much proves my point.>>7937259I always admit when I'm wrong. That doesn't happen often because I am often not wrong.>>7937263I never made a /beg/ thread, it's too much work.I already have to keep tabs on my 27 other threads I made.
>>7937266dominator of /ic/
At the end of the day his drawings are still shitty. LOL
>>7937270it's only been 7 years, give him some more time
>>7937266>Why bother going to gym if you don't like lifting weights?Yes, that would be my question. There are so many other things that give the same benefits, why would you spend your time doing the one you don't enjoy over finding something you do enjoy.Also, what is the "something" that drawing gives you, if you don't enjoy it? The skill to draw better? But you don't like or want to draw apparently, so it's actually of no use to you, since you would never actually apply it to make your life better. So being able to draw has zero benefit to someone like that.>If you LIKE drawing and WANT to draw, that's not discipline. That's just doing what you feel like doing.Again, even ints and pros will have days or things they don't want to practice. Most still do it. Are there some that only draw when they want to, yeah. But discipline isn't about never enjoying something. It's about keeping going even during the low times. That does not mean you can't have high times.
>>7937266both /fit/ and /ic/ have the NGMI meme because it's a real phenomena. some people don't have the discipline to overcome their handicaps so they'll never make it.
>>7937274>/fit/>you're NGMI bc no discipline>/ic/>you're NGMI bc drawing is just not for youCompletely different mindsets.See this post: >>7937272You HAVE to enjoy drawing in order to pursue it.That's a ridiculous concept in /fit/ when it comes to the gym.You LEARN how to enjoy the gym, the same applies to drawing.Not this weird astral magical bullshit where you just have to magically enjoy drawing for no reason.That's childish bullshit.Like these children:>>7937271>>7937270
>>7937279Shut the fuck up faggot. Stop wasting posts
>>7937282crab
>>7937279Difference is working out has actual benefits. Drawing has what? It improves your mental health? I don't see why anyone would draw unless they enjoy it or want to make a career out of it. Plenty of other productive hobbies out there that someone can do if they don't really like drawing.
>>7937285>want to make a career out of itsomething you also only would do if you enjoyed art. Cause there are lots of jobs that pay better, are easier to do and have better job security lol
>>7937279drawing is very hard, most are NGMI by default. low IQ and mental illnesses make it even harder.enjoying drawing makes it x100 easier. most people who made it enjoyed at least some part of the process or result.a mentally ill /beg/ who doesn't even like drawing is almost certainly NGMI, they should just give up. any effort to help them would be better spent helping 100 times more people who actually like drawing.
>>7937286Kek that's true
Does anyone have advice for coming up with compositions for two characters? Any rules of thumb?
>>7936912List of courses or resources I've gone through:Evolve painting course (unfinished)Steven zapata secrets of shadingMarco bucci videos and color course.Russian Academic course (unfinished)Aaron Min channelDorian Iten free videosthis video by bucci covers a good amount and is the single most condensed video on rendering. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQ5QF0q4QqQIn order to render, you need to familiarize yourself with each modeling factor. You should be looking for which ever one you're currently trying to understand in art or references you are drawing => form light/shadow, terminator, cast shadow, reflected light/ambient light, core shadow, ambient occlusion, halftones, center light, specular reflection, and the penumbra (least important). You can practice all of these concepts in isolation too, Dorian has great exercises for that if you can find them. Keep in mind If your shapes are wrong, rendering won't matter nor will your values! If your values are wrong, then your colors won't matter either.>>7937138begs, much like yourself, don't know how to draw. Telling them to just draw is not practical advice. To be fair most begs need to be spoon fed and don't actually listen to actionable advice because it's boring or just not fun sometimes. Beg art is difficult to critique for a lot of people because there's too much that's wrong, ints less so. To critique a beg, you have to address proportions, shapes and observational abilities because that will offer the single most amount of gains. In order to realize those gains, you need to do a lot of drawing.>>7937143Teaching through ic is a waste of time because you cannot keep tabs on a beginner or what they are actually doing unless they post their body of work consistently and are identifiable as the same person. It's very difficult to track progress this way as someone who likes to teach.
>>7936783Cute birds. Great work my friend.
>>7937285Not meaning to quibble but drawing has a lot of crossover benefits to other professional fields, or at the very least draftsmanship and form thinking do. Certainly in engineering where nearly every kind of CAD design is going to start with a sketch or whiteboard drawing. Historically many scientists and physicians have been competent sketch artists, it reinforces understanding and is a very useful type of note taking. Capital-A Art aside, even a little bit of drawing is a powerful communication tool
>>7937279i think people say that because just showing up isnt enough, people think you will get pro or even just int if you draw regularly? No, thats the BARE MINIMUM. If you're pulling teeth to get yourself to draw you're not gonna go anywhere.Picking up the pen is step 1 and there are like 100 steps ahead to just get to int.Even in the gym, just by showing up you will get a mid body, seriously, this is a pretty widely acknowledged fact now in the fitness community. The amount of sacrifices, strength of character, humility, ingenuity, creativeness, and just pure insanity to get to a single level above a beginner is unimaginable to people who can't even start. The gym is a perfect example of this, you can't even pick stuff up and put stuff down, to even do that effectively is a whole art which has people shouting over each other from every side.However hard you think it is to get good at something its actually 100 times harder
>>7937152You've been writing you're entire life. We've failed writing plenty enough as kids. How would you not be good at it? The same applies in drawing. You don't know how to teach writing, or teaching for that matter, because you don't think about it or have never done it. You have projected your personal experience and understanding of writing onto ints. You are making assumptions.>>7937150>WELLLLLL YUORE R JUST RETARDED!!!!!!!This statement is rude, albeit true.Teaching is a different skillset from drawing. Teaching is a game of patience and repetition with students.>>7937216>how to have fun with your pencilYou can do this without drawing any subject in particular. Scribbling can be plenty fun. In fact Tim Gula has a great video on Proko for this. Drawing can be fun or miserable dependent on mindset and goals. Go into it the way Tim does here, with the intent of relaxing and just making shapes and marks you find interesting. You might find what you're looking for.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJYGFwGhHnA
do you guys recommend doing the whole twitter thing? that platform fills me with a lot of anxiety and dread and i'm scared of bigger accounts stealing my art.
Today’s longer studies. I’ve noticed I frequently get the length/width ratio of the eyes wrong, they’re so small that they become finnicky and hard to measure.>>7937325Based drawing
>>7936978Do not underestimate internet schizos' mental illness.
>>7937152I think perhaps the discipline people speak of comes from drawing consistently before you get to enjoy drawing. I enjoy drawing now, but I had to go through a period of time where I had to force myself to draw for at least an hour a day, and would feel like shit because my drawings didn't look good. Though I would argue that rather than discipline, it was my desire to improve that carried me.
>>7937340I want to eat your lines. Teach me how to confidently do linework like that.
>>7937346Linework is the one thing that really does just improve with mileage. I’ve barely ever done any “line control” exercises except maybe a bit when I first started out, unironically Just Draw and you’ll naturally get more confident over time and discover different types of lines that work for you
No one here care about my drawingdrawingAt least give me a motivational speech to draw please.
>>7937329If you're putting your art anywhere then there will always be the possibility of someone stealing your art no matter what. You just gotta do it.With that being said, I've been having little to no luck on twitter. Pretty much all of my follows have come from an outside source one way or another. So either their algorithm heavily disfavors smaller accounts, or I'm shadowbanned because of boobies.
>>7937353People will care more and more about your drawings the further you improve. You gotta put your head down and grind it out first. I believe in you anon.
>>7937360>If you're putting your art anywhere then there will always be the possibility of someone stealing your art no matter what. You just gotta do it.that whole thing really terrifies me thoughI think i'm just gonna not share my art publicly, until I have one BIIIIIIIIIIIIG project that will do numbers right after it's released. like an animation or a comic or game or a series of projects like that. and it will make enough of a splash that I gain some reputation and I won't have to worry about it
>>7936516sry, old link broke for whatever reason. Here's a link that should workhttps://hackmd.io/@ArtStudies/rJxNW6aon
Damn why are that 4 active beg int threads? Lmfao
Well I got some drawing utensils finally like a shader and some sketch pencils and a dope ass mechanical pencil for outlining
>>7937363I think you just gotta bite the bullet man. The chances of you getting popular off a single project, even if it ends up being really good, is very low. And even then people could steal that before it hits the spotlight.If you build a fanbase beforehand then at least people will be willing to side with you to sus out anyone who does end up stealing from you.That's my view, at least.
>>7937363Here's a hint dude, just because you wait to release it all at once doesn't mean people won't try to steal the idea then. The other anon who responded to you is speaking sense. A good idea and concept doesn't mean shit if you don't have a community that supports it. Guess what? If you don't have a community and someone who steals you idea is better at creating a community, who will people be inclined to believe was the original founder of the idea? Look a Mike Pondsmith. He's not the creator of the Cyberpunk genre, but now when people think of Cyberpunk, they think of him.Think of this way my guy. People don't steal ideas. They steal momentum. If you don't build that momentum, they can easily take your idea and build the momentum you never built themselves. You're basically handing them a blueprint. You're literally shooting yourself in the foot because you're too convinced your idea is that precious. It's not. What matters most is that you get a following that believes in your vision.
>>7937374>>7937381you're probably rightthis whole art promotion thing is so fucked up. it sounds like it's just a lottery on whether or not it works or you just get screwed over. i feel like there has to be some cheat code or way around all this crap. i'm making a game at the same time as my art, so i was thinking i could show my art & OCs only through the game so that that way it's impossible for people to steal or whatever without accidentally promoting my stuff
>>7937363youre a fucking faggot get over yourself, you should be happy people like you art enough to repost it, which wont happen for a long long time, fag
>>7937386Yeah, reality can be a cruel mistress when you don't choose an NPC path. Trying to succeed in an oversaturated and hypercompetitive market isn't for the faint of heart. Once you go from passive algo lottery spins to actively taking your success into your own hands, you realize there are a lot of sharks in the water, many of which don't like sharing their share of the ocean. Shits exhausting anon. I've only gotten small tastes of it and it's not fun, but I mean, we chose this path for a reason. Maybe because we're retarded. Lol. Or maybe because we wouldn't have it any other way.
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>>7937028>>7937035>>7937160thank you all
stay in this thread and report the retarded spammer
>>7937407bump limit is reached anyway. /beg/ thread should be in the front all the time so newcomers can easily join our torment.
>>7937325posts like these are why i continue coming to /ic/, you just don't get this form of schizoid posting anywhere else. cozy
>>7937410>schizoid postingif you think anything in that post is either deranged or shows signs of seclusion, you are the crazy one. all the nodraws and begs cant even fathom to draw for more than an hour a day in order to improve, thry'd rather be lazy and complain
>>7937407Thread hit bump limit
>>7937418theres five /beg/ threads up you spamming retard. this isnt a fast moving board. where do you tourists even come from
>>7937420I'm not the one spamming
>>7937369shading doesn't fix bad fundy anon
>>7937420>>7937407he's right you know
>>7937418this didn't stop people using it for many more days
Does this look spooky?
>>7937436smaller red area maybe and no lines crossing the eye? longer/sharp toenails as well maybe? first things that come to mind, i barely get scared anymore
>>7937344My argument is that MOST /int/ artists DID NOT have a period of time (in the beginning) where they didn't enjoy drawing. They enjoyed drawing nearly all the time and oftentimes they had nothing else to do or anything they were better at. All they had was drawing so they did that.It's very rare that an /int/ genuinely used discipline to get to /int/.Now, to get to pro, I'm sure you need discipline, but that's not what I'm talking about here.>>7937328If this is true, why doesn't everyone write well?This is the ego of the artist who thinks that because they can draw they can do anything.Then you read their work and it's high school level prose.>>7937325That's besides the point.The point is getting yourself to enjoy drawing which is true for the gym.When you're a DYEL, going to the gym sucks. You'd rather do anything else.As you lift more, study more, and improve, it starts to be more enjoyable.Should the DYEL have quit just bc, in the beginning, it wasn't enjoyable?That's what /ic/ says when it comes to drawing.>>7937316It's about perspective.It FEELS like "spoon feeding" only because you DO NOT remember what it was like to be a /beg/.You don't remember what you didn't know as a /beg/ so the idea that you have to explain such simple and fundamental concepts to someone who has never drawn before just feels like you're doing extra work who seems lazy. But that's just your perspective.Going on /ic/ at all is a "waste of time" so I don't think that point has much to stand on.The point of this board IS to waste time.>>7937294>drawing is very hardYes.>drawing is very hardYes.>low IQ and mental illnesses make it even harderSure, but I doubt this is as rampant as people like to believe.It's an excuse to be bad at teaching.>enjoying drawing makes it x100 easierYes.>most people who made it enjoyed Yes, which negates the "discipline" point people make.
>>7937449>When you're a DYEL, going to the gym sucks. You'd rather do anything else.nope, exercise is fun, im sorry you're low dopamine and high in neuroticism, >>7937410the schizoid take here is.. telling people getting good at drawing is hard?
>>7937449>My argument is that MOST /int/ artists DID NOT have a period of time (in the beginning) where they didn't enjoy drawingYou got numbers to back that up?Also, you still haven't answered the question: What benefit does learning to draw give someone who neither likes nor wants to draw?Given that you're mostly drawing anime heads, I doubt it's stuff like this >>7937322 (which from personal experience, people in math and physics that sketch also enjoy the experience, and I doubt engineers don't enjoy sketching the thing they are trying to make.)Because if you can't name the benefit, or it's something that requires you to enjoy drawing, by your own logic you are also not disciplined.>If this is true, why doesn't everyone write well?Most people don't write a lot, or even their whole lives.>When you're a DYEL, going to the gym sucks. You'd rather do anything else.Sounds like a you problem. Deadlifts and bench felt awesome from the first time. If it weren't I wouldn't have continued and just found another sport. I haven't really met anyone who didn't enjoy the gym at least partially that ever really stuck with it. You know what the other ones did? Found something else they did enjoy. Like calisthenics, rock climbing or whatever.
>>7937449It's an ebb and flow for me. I'd love drawing because I'd think I was good enough. Then I'd hate drawing because it wouldn't satisfy me anymore. Then I'd get better and think I'm amazing. Then think I'm fucking trash. It's been this way all my art journey and will always be this way I fear. Although, now I'm worried that there might come a day where I say, eh, fuck it, good enough, and just stop trying to get better. I'm approaching a level now where I'm finally starting to be able to reliably execute on and draw the more advanced ideas I see in my mind and refining a style, but the road here wasn't all happy go lucky and effortless or free of doubt. There were many times I almost quit throughout the past few years.
>>7937466>What benefit does learning to draw give someone who neither likes nor wants to draw?How am I supposed to want to draw and love drawing if after 20+ years of drawing I can't draw anything, haven't learned anything, and haven't improved in any way?
>>7937436I don't get scared from poorly drawn maids with stiff clothing, French fry fingers and unappealing feet. The line texture isn't really working as hatching or an effect either, I think using a noise filter or smaller strokes in the vertical strokes would be better.
>>7937471Why didn't you just quit drawing then?That's that's what /ic/ would have told you to do.Don't enjoy drawing?Quit.Why bother?As this anon says: >>7937466, why bother drawing. What's the benefit? What's the point?Except these people all look at it wrong.Why does there need to be a benefit in drawing?Why do you need to get something out of it?This is the typical /int/ mentality./int/ artists drew because they felt like drawing.The idea of drawing even when you don't really want to is foreign.What the fuck is discipline?
>>7937481You still haven't answered the question. What benefit does it offer you? if the benefit is you can eventually enjoy it, does that mean you WANT to draw? Might I quote you:>If you LIKE drawing and WANT to draw, that's not disciplineEven if you say you need to have both, you are hoping to like it eventually. So you will someday just quit being disciplined?>>7937484In that case, the point was that they wanted to draw and had times where they loved drawing. Something you say you've never had
>>7937484>Why do you need to get something out of it?This is the typical /int/ mentality.YOU literally said discipline is when you draw to get something out of it, while not wanting to. You brought it up, not the "ints". If anything it's the opposite of int mentality, because according to you, they are doing it purely for the love of art, not to gain anything
>>7937484Brother the first person I ever asked for critique tore my art apart and told me to quit and it was brutal. You can attribute it to a mix of stubbornness, spite of that person, sunk cost fallacy, enjoyment of the challenge and actual belief in myself to do anything I set my mind to, all for some goal of just wanting to draw cool shit. The point is, I think that having doubts and periods of stagnation/wanting to quit is a very common thing. I think the truth lies somewhere in the middle, as it does with everything. You need to have some degree of consistency to make any form of advancement in a skill. Conscientious helps with that, sometimes discipline takes part in that, especially when having to work on your weaker fundamentals.
>>7937487First one wasn't me but I have to say: you got me.Well played.I have some things I need to figure out.I'll be back.
>>7937494>First one wasn't meHard to tell sometimes. Mb then>I have some things I need to figure out.Go do that. Fwiw, I think the fact that you are so frustrated by all of this means you do at least care somewhat about art and I do hope you find a way to learn that works for you. Cause I think nobody is destined to be a permabeg as long as they keep at it. Good luck man
>>7937487I'm not the same anon who sends long messages.
>>7937503yeah, that was my bad. Was seeing ghosts I guess
>>7937436it looks like you're trying to be spooky but to me it plays on a lot of horror tropes we're all familiar with so not so scary. picrel is scarier
>>7937449Ehh, fair enough. Writing was my "talent" and I ended up /int/ at that whereas all my other skills languished. You shouldn't make a big deal over it though. They stay /int/ because they've only polished their skills to the extent that it pleases them, so in most cases they've been stagnating for years. Everyone who wants to get truly cracked at art has to scale the daunting wall of obsessive discipline at some point. Until you pass that point, we're all just larping. Few of us have gotten there, we're more similar than we think.
>>7937449You're misunderstanding my use of spoon feeding here. I'm not using it in derogatory fashion. It's literally how teaching works. You have to spoon feed students the relevant information because they don't know. They don't which is why they need guidance. Explaining fundamental concepts isn't a hassle and it's ok if you don't understand. You can provide examples or analogies so that the student can latch onto one to better understand. Teaching most often is spoon feeding information. Going on ic at all is not a waste of time, I've improved plenty myself by critiquing and doing demos that allowed me to reinforce and explore different subject matter. From a teaching standpoint, it's very difficult to be productive for long term.>why doesn't everyone write wellFailure of parenting/teaching during childhood in most cases, although can also extend to the student for learning disabilities or lacking engagement. Some are just retarded. Most of the general population can write well. Hell instead of writing, what about walking? That's a ridiculously fine tuned motor skill that every toddler has to learn which is arguably very difficult. You have to throw yourself out of balance then catch yourself. Lets look at swimming some people can't swim. Why? They never learned. Some people that learn to swim don't swim well. Why? They haven't been taught or learned how to do it yet. The same applies to every skill. You haven't learned it yet. Look at language and speaking. Learning a language is arguably even more difficult than writing, swimming or walking. I take Miyamoto Musashi's worsa to heart: "it may seem difficult at first, but everything difficult is at first."Hope this helps. You also never engaged with that Tim Gula video as a suggestion as to have some fun with a pencil. Why? Don't you want to have fun?
>>7937526the doggo only heard a rat, he's gonna be fine. right?
>>7937436I'll be honest man, it looks like a charging vape or some shit like that.
I'll be honest with you; I have no idea how the fuck the hatching lineart works. Does anyone have a tutorial on how it's explained? I know some people have different methods of deciding how and when to use it...
