The general thread for Manga / manga-styled comic-making, manga-style illustration and related comic work. That said, everyone is welcome here.Support each other and talk about your work or the work of others that excites you. Inking, character design, paneling / layout, writing, planning, and other discussions are all welcome.Post resources, questions, in-progress pages, breakdowns of other works, etc. If a work is not yours, credit the maker (unless it's fucking obvious like a full page of One Piece or something).Thanks to everyone for making /mmg/ a level-headed and helpful place. Remember, drawing and making comics and manga are difficult endeavors, and we're all in this struggle together.Previous thread: >>7962838Some resources:/asg/, our stylistic sister-thread series for those focused more on illustration >>>/ic/asgBooks:Understanding Comicshttps://e-hentai.org/g/2042453/83e7da6ed0/Making Comicshttps://annas-archive.org/md5/d55168f7579c1e23275d1fc9f0a2255dManga in Theory and Practice: The Craft of Creating Mangahttps://annas-archive.org/md5/2877da11e2f852d220853e9944e6ea49Story: Substance, Structure, Style and the Principles of Screenwritinghttps://archive.org/details/RobertMcKeeStorypdf/Even a Monkey Can Draw Mangahttps://kupdf.net/download/even-a-monkey-can-draw-manga_58b9ca16e12e89233badd376_pdfThe Shonen Jump Guide to Making Mangahttps://mega.nz/file/i81imLpI#GcheJ9Jjk3lw1RE9nQWgL4RG4wEBNOcRmgA-iaU6WpgVideos:"Manga Senpai/Tokyo Name Tank", "SMAC! THE SILENT MANGA AUDITION COMMUNITY"Habanero Scans: https://www.dailymotion.com/HabaneroScans/videosManben link can be found on archive.org on different pages separated by season: https://www.reddit.com/r/manga/comments/1bu9f0y/found_all_of_naoki_urasawas_manben_and_manben_neo/Urasawa Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCkIFOAoFm47XOAlJwTa6Ieg/videosOP image is from The Ancient Magus Bride
>>7975721Other open comic publishers:Dark Horse ( https://www.darkhorse.com )>Dark Horse still welcomes your submissions, and all submissions will still be reviewed, just as they always have been.>All unsolicited story/series proposals must have a full creative team on board. Writer-only proposals will not be reviewed.Image comics ( https://imagecomics.com/ )>Image Comics only publishes creator-owned material. They do not contract creators; they’re only interested in publishing original content for which you would retain all rights.>Image Comics publishes creator-owned/creator-generated properties and THEY DON’T PAY PAGE RATES. Image takes a small flat fee off the books published, and it will be the responsibility of the creators to determine the division of the remaining pay between their creative team members.Drawn and quarterly ( https://drawnandquarterly.com/ )>Please email a low resolution PDF with at least 20 pages of comics and cover letter to submissions. Do not send dropbox links, scripts, or proposals. Please read our submissions FAQ.Fantagraphics ( https://www.fantagraphics.com/ )>submission page: https://www.fantagraphics.com/pages/faqTop Shelf Productions ( https://www.topshelfcomix.com/ )>Regarding submissions, we're easy. Just email us a download link of what you'd like us to review. NOTE: We cannot accept cover letters, plot synopses, or scripts unless they are accompanied by a minimum of 10-20 completed pages (i.e., fully inked and lettered comic book pages).Additional publisher lists:> https://jasonthibault.com/definitive-list-comic-publisher-submission-guidelines/> https://writingtipsoasis.com/best-independent-comic-book-publishers/
>>7975723Some western / indie publishers of Manga:Saturday AM ( https://www.saturday-am.com/ )> Digital indie magazine, seems to be on the up-and-up> Open submissions for long-form series; also distributes series currently being published elsewhere.> Regularly publishes one-shots, making it a good potential outlet for already-finished work.Oni Press ( https://onipress.com/ )> Technically indie, but at this point large enough by comic standards to be mentioned in the same breath as other publishers.Antarctic Press ( https://antarctic-press.myshopify.com/ )> Longtime large-indie publisher of OEL / manga-esque books.> Seemingly taking submissions at present if https://antarctic-press.myshopify.com/pages/submissions is anything to go on.Yen Press ( https://yenpress.com/ )> Started out as a small indie publisher of original / Korean material, and has grown reasonably popular since.> As of 2016, it is also one of the western arms of the Kadokawa Corporation, with Kadokawa owning a 51% stake.> Editorial inquiries can apparently be sent to yenpress@yenpress.com, however, they apparently are not open to new submissions at this time.Viz Media / Viz Originals ( https://www.viz.com/originals )> *The* western manga publisher.> Currently in the exploratory stages of setting up an English label.> Submissions are open and several books have been announced. However, progress on the label seems to be moving very slowly.> Still might be worth a shot anyway.Shrine Comics ( https://shrinecomics.com/ )> Small indie manga publisher> Seemingly attempting to make the transition to physical volumes> Allows crossposting to other sitesIconic Comics (https://www.iconiccomics.com/)>A bit like Oni Press and Antarctic Press>A small publisher with a focus on indie works with manga inspiration
>>7975725/mmg/'s very own anon-led anthology: /ic/onographyhttps://discord.gg/QYnFBves7Vhttps://forms.gle/d3a2Cwwd44sJYyqv9(Anthology project is defunct but the discord is alive)Additional community added Resources:Mangafonts: https://mangafonts.carrd.co/Hiro Mashima YT: https://www.youtube.com/@mashimaCh/videosGanmo, a job listing board for manga assistant work: https://ganmo.j-comi.co.jp/postsHow (You) can help /mmg/:> Know about a contest or a publishing opportunity? TAG THE OP and post a link.> Have a new resource? TAG THE OP and link / mention it for inclusion.> Don't be a crab> Have a link / DL for a mentioned resource? TAG THE OP and mention what you're supplying a link for.> SCREENSHOT / PASTEBIN effort posts that help you for posterity.
>>7975727Ongoing Contest:KODANSHA MANGA ACADEMY AWARDmanga-academy.kodansha.com/award/mangaka-discovery/>Deadline is July 22>You keep all rights to manga and only caveat is IF you get stuff like the Grand Prize you Kodansha has first on publishing deal(and they get final say on no if no deal ends up getting made) so not too much downsidesAlso if you happen to be in LA for Anime Expo this year Kadokawa is doing portfolio/comic reviews:kadokawaworldmanga.com/onsite/Also they are doing online portfolio reviewskadokawaworldmanga.com/online/However Im less sure about that one cause theres no deadlines and it doesnt say shit about what they do with the content that you give them. Terms state that its just a chance for editors to look at people's work so its not like a contest where you may give up rights but it just seems weird what they may do(like especially if they just leave you silent) but I dont think they are shady enough to just fucking do blatant copyright theft so its probably worth checking out
Starting this thread with a drawing to get the productivity hopefully going in the thread
>Be me>Bonafide weeb who has only read manga for years>Out of curiosity, I decide to check out how western comics were like before their total collapse through the mid 90s>I start reading popular capeshit runs like Chris Claremont's X-Men and Excalibur, Steve Dikto's Spiderman, John Byrne's Fantastic Four, Frank Miller's Daredevil and Elektra content, Walt Simonson's Thor, Mike Mignola's Hellboy, culminating with me reading Watchmen and DKR now that I have good basics in regard to classic superhero comics>THEY'RE ALL BETTER WRITTEN THAN THE VAST MAJORITY OF BATTLE SHOUNENWhat happened? How did the mainstream american comics market manage to permanently destroy itself and never come back healthy despite being perfectly alive, successful and exciting back in the 80s?
>>7975747Comics collapsed around the 90s entirely because of greedThey stopped many new issues and started rereleasing limited editions and collectors editions to pinch more coins out of their loyal fanbaseComics became a ponzi schemeActual talents left because they were neglected by the pen pushersThe fanbase had enough of being milked and stopped buyingThe talents that were driven out of comics turned to cartoons and animationThe comic fans followed suitIt was not a coincidence that the comic book crash happened at the same time as the golden age of cartoons.Same thing is happening again with Indie films
>>7975747pic related is you answerNow go make this thread in /co/ Im sure they give more of a shit and will give you more (You)s
>so what's your kid doing these days?>oh they're just drawing comics>oh! like Garfield? or Superman?>n-no...they draw manga>magma? what's that?>it's..nothing, nevermindReminder your parents are embarrassed of you for drawing manga as a westerner. Isn't it time to grow up and draw real comics that make money like webstrips or DC/marvel?
>>7975761then dont draw cringe moron. I would have no problem showing my family my "manga".
Are you published yet, Alice-anon?
>>7975747>not animeTrash.
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>>7975940and some characters I designed for the story
https://globalcomix.com/read/0d62c388-d7d6-4cc9-b6d1-b2ecf34e02b2/1I finished a short 30 page story about a Halloween costume. Can I get some crits/feedback on it?
>>7975975I had a good time reading it, thanks for sharingI felt that the conclusion dragged on a bit too much considering the length of the main plot, some things felt overexplained by thenyou could easily trim 4-5 pages and it would retain the same punch
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>>7975944The wizard and the princess should kissThat's all.
Been a while since I've posted a page, so here's the previous page for context
>>7976062and the new page
>>7976063show her pantsu
>>7976064sorry it's a boy, and he isn't wearing any pantsu
>>7976088show that then
>>7976021Ever notice how you're the only one who spams multiple pages? All it does it clog up the thread. If you're going to spam more than two images, just link to a gallery or third party hosting site. You were told this before.
>>7975739>KODANSHA MANGA ACADEMY AWARDmanga-academy.kodansha.com/award/mangaka-discovery/I was considering entering this contest but I may be passed out in a ditch drunk
>>7975975Kek this was a fun short story. I guess the reading flow make up for the art. Not saying it's bad but still has a lot of work to do. Also are you from Australia
>>7975890your art is really awesome but why do you use such blinding colors?!
>>7976150thank you so much>but why do you use such blinding colors?!fuck man message received, from now on I'll just post the pages black & white
>>7976162NTA, but I think you just need to use a darker blue.
About to start working on Chapter 5 of my comic but would appreciate any feedback on what I have so far. I also have to say I respect a lot of the creators here since your processes seem so much more structured than mine. Hoping I pick something up along the way.https://thefoolsjourney.thecomicseries.com/
>>7976249Also quick question for my creators:How do you handle major plot deviations? The story I initially planned to go with for the chapter ended up changing (imo for the better) which in turn kinda detours everything I had set up. How do you go about integrating these detours into the plot you started with?
>>7976262You can pull off any plot twist imaginable so long as it makes sense.A good way to do this is with foreshadowing, or just things that happen earlier in the story that explain, tease, justify, etc. what happens later.You don't have to actually plan for these, though it's better if you do, you can often add meaning to otherwise insignificant moments later on. Maybe you introduce a new character that's super important... but to make it so you didn't just invent them out of the blue, instead re-use an unimportant character who they met and had an unremarkable interaction with earlier on. Now it looks like you planned the whole thing from the start.
skecthing the new arc
>>7976249i couldn't get past page 6 dude. Cant stomach the darkie zoomer dialogue.
>>7976542I appreciate you giving it a shot either way
>>7975853Who's that
>>7976088>draw a girl>call it a boyevry timGood work on that new page though keep it up
>>7975761>so what's your kid doing these days?>oh they're drawing comics>oh! like Garfield? or Superman?>no, like japanese maynga>maynga? like those japanese animes?>yeah! here, take a look (pulls out phone)>oh wow!happened a few times and this is how it actually went. my parents were proud of me, even if i don't think really got it.
>>7975747comic industry treated artists like shit and consumers like idiots so it collapsed, its not even a new thing, jack kirby famously left comics to work in animation, which tells you how horrible the conditions in cape comics were when the famously exploitative animation industry was seen as the kinder safer bet
>>7976162time to reuse panels
>>7976063I love these pages, the action reads really well, >>7976162i don't know what everyones deal is, i thought the orange was absolutely fine. >>7971763 cont.
>>7977283awesome, my first thought is her "NO!" should be on the same panel as the knight asking, then her new expression in panel 4 would be for the next thing she says. My autism makes me hate how multiple moods exist within one page but you only see one facial expression (the most recently one) which is highly common in western comics.
>>7977283Nice compositionLiterally ever single thing on the page draws you to the tits
>>7977338I boob want to boob know what boob happens after boob her rescue boob but each boob panel is so boobacious I boobily fear I cannot boob the boob boob boob boobing when boobedGreat work artwise as usual anon.
>>7976063This comic look more old anime-look with it's 'girly-designed boy' character and rails. I just like your idea of a boy who doesn't look like a boy. Good for you>>7977283I like how I intrigued by the drawing of the boobs and how central they're.Btw, I'm new here. I coming from /co/ and I like to have some feedback for my comic here. This board seems sincere so.
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>>7976064>>7976596>>7977369While it's amusing that you all think the character looks like a girl, it's not actually what I want.I want him to be immediately obviously a boy. I don't want to upset anyone expecting a girl only to find a boy.I'm definitely not giving myself an easy time by making them long haired and in a skirt, but I think it can be done.This particular story doesn't feature much dialogue, I hope that in situations where the character is able to show their personality more, it becomes more clear that they are a boy, and that if I can convey that well in chapter 1 (soon™) it will never be a problem.
>>7977397Nah it reads fine, cant speak for anons but I was just shitposting. Like at most it reads like those old cute anime boys like Inuyasha and the like. Dont go forcing a different look on me cause of my shitpost of a comment
>>7977369cute, even with the art style I don't feel too confused in most of the strips. The sense of humor is decent, being non sequiter and deadpan. The low art skills doesnt bother me or make it hard to understand your pacing and intent, and I see improvement since the start. I think studying art on the side will help the comic since it seems to be about your view of the world and covers whatever topics you feel like. You copyied the face here for the last two panels but I think it makes it funnier and delivers the intent better, just dont make it a habit since I think your charm is critical for this comic. There will be a time where it seems like the comics getting worse when you get better anatomy and everyone starts being stiff, you'll have to push through that.this was my favorite strip, and the faces in each panel feel charming. I can say redrawing this comic with godlike art wouldnt make it funnier. But I'm looking at it as an artist so my opinion probably doesn't matter.
>>7977417Inuyasha is definitely the main stylistic inspiration. Along with stuff like Saint Seiya, It was definitely an era of long haired pretty boys.
>>7977397I'd say he looks extremly androgynous, which naturally means he reads as feminine to most people. Femininity takes a lot more maintainence than masculinity - you can be masculine just by doing nothing and letting your body grow, while femininity needs you to regularly shave, foundation, and condition.Your boy looks like a cherub.
>>7977418>>7977418thanks for the critique. I don't think I care too much about the art. If I would, the comics would definitely took too long to complete. I learn that I should focus on my comic going to deliver it's message than 'ohh nice art but terrible facial expression and body movement'.
>>7977439thats a good attitude to have, I only bring it up because plenty of people on /co/ worry too much about art skill and die in the uncanney valley. And by better art helping the comic, I meant it will be more expressive and evolve more and you'll enjoy reading back on it to see eras of your life when making it.
Been playing with more digital-only tools latelyNot really happy with how these panels came out.These harsh colors and thin, criss-crossing lines are NOT working together.What do we think?
>>7977468>plenty of people on /co/ worry too much about art skillAre we visiting the same /co/? If anything it seems like anons there couldn't give the smallest most single iota of a shit about trying to actually have any art skills at all. This isn't meant as some kind of cross-board dig, it really isn't. Just my genuine two cents having been there several times.>>7977482>thin, criss-crossing lines??????
I've been thinking of learning a bit of Blender to set up composition for pages but I don't understand shit
Almost done; I just need to clean some things up. Not sure about the background- guess I'll just KUBOOOO it like usual.
>>7977581damn this guys getting fucked up
>>7977563They're pretty thin, though it doesn't always come through.
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>>7975747Japan produces something if it sells or they think it will sell. America produces something to push a message which is more important than whether it sells or not. That's the only real difference.
>>7976535lets try not take 3 years to finish an arc this time
>>7978234Hey, that looks nice, altarusia anon! I like the coloring.
>>7975983Yeah, that's fair. I wanted to cram in all the individual endings since they were all amusing in my head, bloat be damned. >>7976139Nice, all things considered readability making up for art is pretty awesome to hear. Also, no, I am American.
>>7977939wrong Japan produces something if the editors like it and see your shit as unique enough to publish, then if you didn't make enough sales = you likely fucked up and won't get another shot at it, another is the competitive model of "weekly" and "monthly" releasing magazines where you first have to win some kind of entrance competition to get hired to the business, then after that you get to do your work and if you manage to survive the votes to not get axed you keep working as a published author, if not they might put you to assisting others instead if you still want to draw for a living. its a really effective way to basically cut losses early.
>>7978234The sky is the one that's sharp, the castle is blurred/blended nicely, why do you do this to yourself, why? having a "non-blurred" sky makes it more distracting to the yes than the on that is blended in a balanced fashion.
>>7978284>wrong Japan produces something if the editors like it and see your shit as unique enough to publishand editorial's goal is to release things that sell so you're effectively just rewording what he said but pretending it's a disagreement>you likely fucked up and won't get another shot at ityou do get multiple shots you know, it's not "one strike and you're out"
https://rookie.shonenjump.com/series/OmkvmYUhzvo/OmkvmYUhzvwWhat is it about Fujimoto that inspires so many mangaka wannabees?
>>7978581Lowered the bar
>>7978581He's a trendsetter, other people are trendhoppers. Tale as old as time.
>>7978581he proved its possible to have a dogshit story and dogshit art and still make it just off confidence alone. In every medium once enough time passes and the new generation has no knowledge of the good stuff, then garbage can become the new classics.
>>7978665>dogshit story It's interesting, a first step that many manga fail at>and dogshit artHe's genuinely great at unique facial expressions (and in general when he botgers to try)
>in this world there are demons... and the bounty hunters who kill them for money>also hes a horny retard like me so that makes the story interesting
>>7978674The sad truth is most artists have too big an ego and ambition to stoop to making the lowbrow shit that sells to the masses, to their own detriment, while anyone with so little self respect to actually do it has no skill to make it happen.
Chapter 5 will be out at some point in the near future.
>>7977910posting the pages out of order my b guysI'm almost ready to start inking
>>7978674>monkey kid find ball!Anything can sound bad with reductionist descriptions.
>>7975747>THEY'RE ALL BETTER WRITTEN THAN THE VAST MAJORITY OF BATTLE SHOUNENTbf that’s comparing the best of one market with a mediocre work of another market. There were plenty of forgettable capeshit at the time, it’s just the stuff you read from the Western market are the cream of the crop.>what happenedSpeculator bust aka comics became collectibles instead of entertainment, now the market is stuck in variant hell and every actor in the market is chasing issue 1 driven by fomo instead of enjoyment of reading.
>>7978823>badly done reductionist summaries>local girl shines lantern at white lady>girls find power to turn themselves black, kick soldiers>fat mouse can't help>businessman does gross jobs for his corporation>a group of girls show their tummies>a boy gets cleaned by two ladies during winter>a hamlet manlet is near a chinese teapot>rich femcel wants it bad but her body size somehow doesnt let her get her wayThis is fun.
Came across this page online and I was really impressed by how the characters are drawn in the middle panel. How do you make action scenes look this fluid? Is this just gesture?
>>7978852Unless you mean how it reads like drawing your eye to whatever, they drew it like a candid photo so instead of glorifying and posing characters to act larger than life or whatever, it's drawn as a kind of realistic depiction of snapping a photo right in the middle of a firefight.
>>7978856There's a lot more going than simply realistic movement. I tried drawing "realistic" poses in action scenes and mine looked like shit (see picrel). The movements on that page are more exaggerated than anything. But it works and it looks good. Fuck, I wanna learn how to do that.
>>7978861Your perspective is flat and the linework has no personality, like it was drawn with a mouse. Your framing is also poor, study the space to subject ratios in the panels >>7978852You might want to pick up this book as well
>>7978861I don't know the technicals of art, so maybe it's not so much realism but warped realism. It could be that it's what someone with a warped mindset thinks of as realistic, like they are going for gritty and realistic but it's filtered through fantastical elements and deformed body types, and I don't mean any of these descriptors as insults. I don't think yours is bad, it's a little flat in comparison I guess because it actually is closer to realism. Somehow the other one conveys being able to feel what is happening despite the angle being sort of flat while yours seems more dynamic on the surface. There's nuances to it that I'm not able to articulate so I can only make midwit statements for now.
>>7978823A description of CSM sounds like a reductionist troll because it really is that vapid and pointless. Right up to and including the end.
>>7978861theres drawing correct anatomy, and then there's drawing moving bodies. After you sketch out the right anatomy, push it further by stretching or bending things based on where you want the body to move. The clothes can move a bit like this too, you dont ever want to draw someone in an action scene in a posture that they can hold for a camera. So that means you should draw people in the air or on one foot or partially walking down a step like in that page with the animal people. This is what I learned noticing the same things as you.
Why is it that most of the times you get rather a good story or good art?Im reading Sergio Toppi rn, nice art that looks very destinct, but its one of those style over substance works.I think it not so much about good or bad art, simpe art can be good. More about creativity. In a comic or manga its rather that art is creative and the story is very simple, or the other way around. Is it too much if you try to push both?
>>7978893Think of it like languages. A person thinks in one language in which they are proficient, yet they find themselves in a position where they need to express those thoughts in a language they aren't quite as acquainted with.
>>7978285better?
>>7978772persona vibes
>>7977337I don't disagree with this, i think the No! reads a little to pushy, probably because of the exclamation mark.>>7977369>>7977338>>7977360thanks gang.>>7978852>>7978861I think things that are working for the example and not yours are more compositional then action, your page is like 90% empty corridor the main character is mostly off the page, the action isn't compacted or focused. i also think the example is clever in using three figures, it almost reads like a sequence of movement, hence the fluidity.>>7978772love this, highly graphical cover pages are the best.
Hi guys, looking for feedback on Chapter 6 of Detective Hefferchu. It's on webtoons, tapas, inkstra, and pixiv, links at https://efsius.netI'll also be streaming throughout today drafting chapter 8.https://www.twitch.tv/efsius1/https://www.youtube.com/@efsius1/streamsIf you've read through the chapter, what is your favorite and/or least enjoyable part? >>7978972gorgeous! the bubbles look great too, it's all coming together
>>7979019Hi Hefferchu anon, I went and read the entire chapter. It was decently paced with the flashbacks and the back and forth between the characters. Your comic has always been funny enough to me, so you got me exhaling air faster through my nose as usual, enjoyed both the regular jokes and the meta comic jokes. The only thing that immediately bothered me was the initial scene with the assistant boy's flashback scene with him being in the classroom. The shading/screentones there seemed really roughly done and there were some obvious rough edges around some of the other classmates. If this was actually intentional, then I'd say there needs to be a better way to do that effect. Otherwise again, I enjoyed it.
How much texts is too much texts?If any newbie tried to make a manga like picrel, people would immediately drop their manga.
>>7979044That pic is hundreds of chapters deep into the manga. You can safely assume readers are invested by that point.
>>7979044Imo, the amount of text in a panel should correspond to the pacing of the drawing in the panel.And the pacing of the drawing should be such that it seems to be pass more or less in the way it does in anime.(That is to say, most of the time the passage of time is normal, but occasionally time is slowed down during moments of action or thinking, allowing for more talking than would be realistically possible)Pic related is my goto example of too much text in a panel. There's not actually very much text in the page, but because of the drawing in it, it's too much. How much time does it take to crash through a window? Even with some dramatic time dilation... it's not a very long time, and definitely not enough to deliver a whole paragaph of text.The most I'd say you could reasonably get away with in this page is>"Luck you call it??"and not a word more
>>7979058A good rule of thumb is that you should never include commas in your text. Of course there are exceptions but generally speaking, people don't speak in lectures, and if they do, it's very boring.If a moment of speech needs to be broken up, use elipses instead '...', and furthermore break it up into multiple bubbles. This better communicates a pause in speech than a comma, and sounds more natural.Even if someone is delivering a long speech, don't put the whole thing in one big speechbubble under one drawing, this is very boring. Break it up into multiple panels.This Deathnote page features two characters not moving, and a whole bunch of text. It's a bit wordy but overall it's perfectly readable. It would be unreadably boring if it were instead a single drawing of the characters sat facing eachother, and a massive wall of text
>>7979060Like this, it's hardly even a comic anymore, it's more like a picture book.
I get the feeling that creating dramas/slice of life seems much harder than crafting complex fantasy stories. Fujimoto is only interested in making dramas these days, he doesn't even care about action anymore. It seems like creating dramas carries more prestige among the literati which is likely why his work is being adapted by some of Japan greatest directors.Are you already thinking about doing a SOL piece? Did you find it more difficult?
>>7979069Forget about prestige. Write what you love. If you don't write what you love, what you write will suck.
>>7979069They're both very difficult. It's not a case of one being easier than the other.
>>7979069>I get the feeling that creating dramas/slice of life seems much harder than crafting complex fantasy storiesYeah, because it's much harder to commit to the suspension of disbelief when it comes to human drama.
>>7979074>If you don't write what you love, what you write will suck.Cries in millionaire.
>>7979062>that pictureOh my god Batman, please stop talking. Holy words words words about mostly nothing.
>>7979062This looks like it's from a gay porno
>>7979096It may as well be, comics today are run by women and faggots. They don't care about writing stories about badass heroes fighting crime anymore, all they write about are the heroes relationship dramas.Nightwing basically isn't a serious character anymore
>>7979098You wouldn't be complaining if the genders were flipped.
>>7979082One interesting thing is that in Osamu Tezuka's own story, towards the end of his career he also tried to prove himself as a great drama writer (ayako). Ultimately, I think that at some point, most authors feel this need to create realistic drama. I wouldnt say that creating drama automatically makes you good I'm not the biggest fan of Asano manga, but I think the dramas of Urasawa, Shuzo Oshimi, and Taniguchi are good. There are authors who can sustain their work solely through drama, but they seem to be far above average.
>>7979103>man and woman have the same standard put against each otherno wonder the society is plummeting, man and woman are competing against each other instead of complimenting each other
>>7979082I thought he only hated writing Anya specifically cause shes an annoying fucking kid. I havent seen him hate on any other aspect of the manga
Togashi: "Question: If I train an AI using only my drawing style and have it read my storyboards, will it be able to produce a manuscript?"
>>7979044There is no general rule for this kind of stuff, it all depends on the story beat you are on and what info you want to get across. Like I assume your pic is supposed to be an insult towards the author but imagine an alternative where those two pages are spread out across an entire chapters worth of pages. For us who draw we might appreciate the art but as an AUTHOR that might be fucking hell and also piss of your audience(I know this cause the last couple of Frieren chapters did this before it went on Hiatus and it pissed me off). In that sense just biting the bullet and having a bunch of text for two pages so there can be room for some shit to actually happen in the next couple of pages might be worth it in the long run.Now I wouldnt START OUT your story with a huge exposition/lore dump but if you get far in your story the audience will forgive you for putting in a wall of text if it serves the story.An action scene might be better off with simple phrases, a comedic scene might need a good balance between words and drawings, a somber moment might require no words. But it is entirely dependent on your goals.However worth noting that in general for writing(yes including actual books) is knowing how to break shit up. Even for something as boring as a fucking essay an entire wall of text is intimidating to even the most pretentious of readers. In the same way you break up your writing into segments and paragraphs you do it for comics with panels like what anon mentioned >>7979060 Another example is unironically your pic. You labeled the pic "words x words" but objectively there are a bunch of drawings that break up the bubbles and give em context. Even if the autrhor couldnt fit an actual character in the panel they still drew a background or used small chibi heads,etc.
>>7979050the reader is "invested", not "values his time" nor "has good taste"
>>7979159You're talking about cartoons for children.
>>7979160...what the fuck did you just say
>>7979150Based.Remember, guys, those who embrace new technology will always outcompete those who balk.
>>7979159invested = willing to invest time.Taste is not an applicable variable here
>>7979164Togashi is practically a cripple at this point, considering he has been borderline dying for nearly three decades. As good as he is, there's a reason he got memed on for taking 3-year hiatuses only to come back and do maybe 4 chapters then go on another 2-3 year hiatus. AI is probably the only way Hunter x Hunter will ever get finished, lest it goes the way of Berserk.
>>7979164togashi is a lazy pile of shit who jerks it to little girls on idol master for literal years while shit eaters like you call him a genius while getting 1 chapter every decade. fucking deranged stockholm syndrome mind broken fag
where are you supposed to get those manga background effects like action lines, dark aura, dread etc
>>7979172If the media is trash, it isnt worth your time. Doesn't suprise me you don't get that. You are in good company nowadays
>>7979177I just draw it all.
Hey laundrymoon if your still lurking in this thread can you show us some unfinished material and w.i.p of DM please
>>7979179Go be a taste nazi somewhere else faggot
>>7979173>only to come back and do maybe 4 chapters then go on another 2-3 year hiatusHe's done a volume each time, hasn't he? 1 volume every couple of years is still better than basically everybody ITT despite being a cripple. He's only slow by weekly manga standards.
>>7979197>1 volume every couple of years is still better than basically everybody ITT despite being a cripple.Most people here probably also aren't critically acclaimed mangaka with a series that is borderline one of the top manga that helped define Shounen manga of the 90s, though.
>there's no RULE that says i can't make my manga unreadable and incomprehensible!
Togashi can do that because he built his audience over decades, and his audience wants densely packed information nowobviously nobody would bother to read hxh if they had to start from the succession waridk why this is so fucking hard for you fags to understand, whats even the argument about?
>>7979069They both have their unique difficulties, but it's much easier to make shlocky fantasy/sci-fi than it is to shit out even a bad drama. It's easy to make a fantasy story about "this happened, and because of that this happened, and because of that this happened" because a lot of the things that happen in those stories is physical; you could replace the characters with robots who only make rational choices or choices convenient to the plot, and everything would be the same. Some people even operate under the assumption that this is good writing; these people are stupid.Meanwhile a drama - even a pretty bad one - needs the characters to matter. When you make a drama and all the characters could be replaced by other characters and nothing changes, or you make a slice of life where reading about the character's lives is not interesting, you have created something that is BELOW the "it's shit but people will eat it up" bar. Not that that's stopped people.Writing characters thinking things is harder than writing characters doing things, in the abstract.
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>>7979098I thought Absolute Batman was pretty goodNice ass by the way
>>7978852This is some real classical exaggerationIt's quite good, and I think a dying art nowadays as people move towards things being either more "realistic" or more cartoonish and placing more emphasis on character models being exaggerated rather than their posing.
>>7979241Yeah it's a nice ass but honestly what would you rather have?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAkL2-vh2SkFor every comic that gets made that's some silly goofy shit, it's another comic that isn't the literally the coolest thing ever.Sure on it's own, it's fine, but have you ever thought about what you're missing out on by opting for this tripe?
>>7979247I don't know what "this tripe" is - I read very select comic books. I don't measure what I enjoy by cool factor though. I'm more of a romance, drama, and horror person, and those do have deep roots in comic books, especially superhero ones. It's just not a kind of romance and drama I tend to be interested in.
>>7979193sucks to suck
I understand this thread knows its way around screen tones and ink, so I'm asking here for helpHow was this shadow effect on the violin was achieved?This manga was released in 1984, when digital touching up was very rare, so it was entirely physical. The only technological parts of this art were the printers using Ben Day dots and shit to save ink. Do you think ink was first put down, and then erased/drawn over? Or was it done as it seems - just drawn very carefully? It has a very liquid-like quality at its edges.
>>7979271Tone that was erased with a hard eraser.
>>7979238Is that good or bad?
>>7979244>This is some real classical exaggerationIt's from 1983. So that must be why. The author was a technical illustrator and graphic specialist for the US air force.
>>7979287I thought it was funny. I'm not sure if that's the vibe you're going for>>7979387Ah, that'd explain itThis kind of compositional trick with the very realistic humans using extremely unrealistic, full-body gestures had its start in the Renaissance, but really got picked up in the Golden Age in the mid 20th century, especially in American and especially in advertising.
>>7979416this is gold, what book is this?!
>>7979458This is The Famous Artist's Course, which is full of things like this. I've shilled it a million times before and I'll shill it a million times again.
>>7979188https://devilsmoon.cfw.me/blogarchive/59910/
>>7979244Humanbros, we got too cocky...
I tried downloading the link but the file is not working on my end
>>7979590swapped the link. catbox isnt working I guess
>>7979416Nice stuff
>>7979509that head construction looks so clean
>>7979023Thanks for reading! I agree about that classroom scene's screentone, I even spent extra time to try to clean it up (and it's still messy). Whenever I do a big establishing shot with a lot of values/tones, it ends up messy as I tune the linework.I think the solution is to work in greyscale then convert to tones for big scenes. I will try that next time see how it goes. Pic unrelated, just one of my fav pages from ch. 6
>>7979111that sentence probably sounds deep and meaningful if you are mentally retarded
>>7979832Yawn.
>>7979509I just downloaded the whole series. I'm going to study this and fix my shitty face construction!
>>7979843DO NOT ACTUALLY DO THISI don't need the competition. Stay bad at whatever you're not good at.
>>7979628>>7979808Pretty sure both of these pages were penned by Albert Dorne, who mostly worked in advertising, but has a certain storytelling to his art I think we could all learn from. He could tell with a picture what it takes me a whole page to communicate, he's REALLY good. It's tragic he died so young; this book was one of his last works.>>7979843Hell yeah, anonI'd recommend doing the studying in bits and pieces - despite the name, I've never used the famous artists course as a course, and it's designed for people who were trying to enter the art industry over half a century ago, rather than the modern artist. This is one of the good things about the book - that it's very practical, and concerned with actually getting work done for clients on a deadline - but also means it's necessarily like homework and covers a lot of things that the modern artist might not care about.That's a good thing in a way though - this book really is comprehensive, it has everything. I flip through it sometimes and find things I've never seen before. It's 945-some pages, though I mostly use pages 150-250. I've been studying the face section since late 2020.
I've drawn him a bit already, but just before I draw him a shit ton more, hows this guy look? Secondary protag of my comic. I've gotten some comments my designs are boring, which is true they arent flashy in this comic, but Kishibes from chainsawman is iconic, and hes a guy in a suit so i dunno
>>7979919also dam thats the screenshot before i fixed the gun lol. its just a block there
>>7979919I think his head's too small in a way that doesn't make him seem intimidating or large. I also think that hurtshis design since the only really recognizable parts of his design - the star shaped scar on his head - are contained ON his head, so by shrinking his head you hide the parts that make him stand out. Otherwise, I think it's a very vanilla design which isn't necessarily a problem if you're going for a more grounded realistic vibe. My main complaint with this art is just that your drapery is very distracting - the shadows don't fall evenly, so my eye is darting all over the place distracted by needless detail.
>>7979926>so by shrinking his head you hide the parts that make him stand out.My man it's a comic. You can just compose the shots so it's visible.
>>7979929You can, but how your character looks WITHOUT composition/angle tricks is important. You should emphasize the good parts of your character designs even when your character is standing stock still at a straight-on angle. No one looks their best when they're standing like a default pose in a 3D modelling program, but if your character is actively hiding their good bits from that angle, you need to revise.
>>7979932You know, I really don't agree. I certainly don't think the solution would be "make his head bigger".
>>7979926True, I'll make his head a bit bigger, hes not meant to be a huge guy. Also yeah I've been trying to improve my linework and shadows as people have been saying my lineworks very boring and uniform, but I probably dont fully understand where to shade exactly, so I'll do more studies on that.Might as well ask too, but do these 2 pages look right? I've shown my recent pages to friends, and they think these 2 specifically are a bit odd,
Also lol, legit every time I post here, somebody mistakes other posters for me, or somebody impersonates me. >>7979932 Also yeah he looks a bit stiff i do need to do more gesture studies, I dont really use 3d modules much it was based off a pose on pinterestI dont reall
>>7979919>hes a guy in a suitA guy in a suit can look really good in the right style
my tablet broke and it took ages for the replacement to arrive
>>7979933I wouldn't disagree if not for the fact he just doesn't look good with a tiny head as-is. The guy's like ten or eleven heads tall and three heads wide at the shoulders. Even really tall characters only look about eight heads tall, and that often comes with a thicker neck to make them seem more like they're big and buff rather than just small-headed.>>7979934>>7979935I don't actually think your linework is boring. There's some fun stuff going on here. I think your main issue is that it's too busy - you don't conserve detail well or easily fold a lot of information into something quickly readable. You'd benefit a lot from using more large blots of darkness like you did around the binoculars, and thickening your hatching as it approaches the harsh shadows, to give the impression of receding light. You'd also do a lot better with having more emptiness on your page - look at that first panel of the first page and how much is going on in it. The trees have a ton of detail on the wood, there's tons of lines used to define the hats and chairs and the waves in the water and the other bits of garbage. It directs the eye AWAY from the focal point of the picture; the two people standing in the middle. This goes for all your panels, and also for your drapery and shadow-work; the folds should direct the eye like arrows, and the shadows should be large spots on the page that says "Don't look at this" or "Look at this." You must spend a lot of your time doing all these little lines and details, and it's a disservice to yourself to put in so much time and effort to ultimately make something worse. You can do more with less!I'm going through my folders and pulled out this image, which I think is a good comparison point of conserve detail. Kishimoto used a lot of lines in this image to detail the wood and hatch the blood, but it all reads as one big chunk, and the empty space given by - say - the darkness of the pool of blood, highlights the figures standing in it.
>>7979941>I wouldn't disagree if not for the fact he just doesn't look good with a tiny head as-is. The guy's like ten or eleven heads tall and three heads wide at the shoulders. Even really tall characters only look about eight heads tall, and that often comes with a thicker neck to make them seem more like they're big and buff rather than just small-headed.But I'm (and you were) talking about the character design. A mistake in the proportions is beside the point. It's not going to be difficult to recognize the only fucking character with a big star on his forehead.
>>7979944Nta but I didn't notice it until it was pointed out.
>>7979934>>7979935Leaving alone the aspects that work, I'd do less shading and more minimal texture work to better define environmental elements.
>>7979941Oh, and I don't think it was an attempt at impersonation. I just think another anon wanted to toss in their two cents and didn't declare NTA.>>7979944I assumed it (the odd proportions) were a stylistic decision rather than a mistake since I only had one image of him. That was a mistake on my part, but I draw characters with weird proportions a lot so I'm sympathetic to the "no it's actually intentional I swear I know what a human looks like" school of design
>>7979941>>7979946Yeah definitely true, looking at some of the comics ive been using as reference, they dont have alot of detail except around the important bits. I did these pages a month or so ago, and have been doing some short comics between like picrel, where the gardens alot less detailed, and i think you see the 2 figures better. ( there were alot of other problems in picre, so I'll probably play around with it before I post it)I'll cope and add that since its gonna be in color, I'll have the 2 men in a different lighter color, but having the rest be darker, sorta defeats the purpose of me putting in all the details>>7979944>>7979945I do agree that its pretty small and hard to tell as it is. Its gonna be purple when I color it, so itll stand out more, but still having the head be bigger will help>>7979948The weird proportions are probably cause it was also sorta weird pose I didnt capture right, the guy i got the pic from had his shoulders have raised in an unnatural way, that looked cool, but again, probably didnt capture it right
>>7979949This definitely looks better. I imagine it was a lot faster to draw too! The more and more I learn about art the more I realize that Simple Is Best should always be my motto. Simple art is easier, faster, and more resonant with an audience. I have a soft spot for maximalist art, but, we're not Adolf Wolfi here.This page also draws attention to you not always using shadows right - consider the two figures in the bottom panel. Ambient occlusion says there should be a bunch of darker spots under their feet and around the dress, but it isn't here. Not all artists use shadows like that - I've recently been studying Suehiro Maruo, who's one of my favorite artists, and he often doesn't use ambient occlusion. Look at the figures in this page, for example. But you have occlusion shadows in other places in the art, like under the chin and under the rim of the fountain, so it's inconsistently applied here.All art is derived from reality. I think it'd do you good to think about what parts of reality you're bringing over, and which parts you're cutting out.
>>7979956Very true, also dam that looks beautiful as well. Also yeah the first page above took me like 5 hours which I was pretty happy withAnd yeah defintiely value in what to include or not, we fill in the rest, thats why people rarely draw anime girls noses, we fill in the rest. Being lazy in some aspect is the way to go, look at picrel, theyve got a show on Amazon right now
>>7979949>they dont have alot of detail except around the important bits.It's easy to fall into obsessing over how much you need to add to better illustrate the thing you're trying to draw but when it comes to adding texture, you'd be surprised at what adding a few well-placed lines can do. It's a "smarter, not harder" deal. Check out like some of the old 70s and 80s Marvel and DC stuff, they were pretty good at it and went for a decnt simple but relatively realistic approach to art style. They also made good use of minimizing necessary background details like the other anon mentioned.
>>7979959Working twice as hard does not necessarily mean you'll make something twice as good! That goes extra for working four times or eight times as hard. Invincible is even GOOD, can you believe that?That page I posted is mostly a filtered photograph which was touched up, as I understand. But yeah, Maruo's one of my biggest inspirations.
>>7979963>>7979962yeah they gotta be smart to be monthly, and especially weekly. I'm probably gonna keep doing short comics to try and get better at learning how to be smarter with my lines and time
>>7979968Like picrel for example took me less than 8 hours to do which was pretty good, colors for backgrounds are enough.Also got like 3k upvotes on r*ddit, which was nice
>>7979969The Cocaine Bear movie changed a lot of details from the original comic
>>7979963This is a good one I forget about, implying texture through a person's or object's shadow instead of just putting the texture all over.
>>7979969Thats a big bitch
>>7979973It's a good trick, since that's how it works in real life. If you're looking at a floor and notice a bump in it, you only saw the bump because the light is hitting the far side of it in a different way than its hitting the near side. Same for dirt bumps and potholes and grass and gravel. Technically everything is just light bouncing off of things differently depending on how they're shaped.
>>7979150Togashi should make an AI generated manuscripts in case he dies like Miura. Look at Berserk, since that asshole Kouji Mori took in charge of Berserk by lying about knowing the ending, the quality of Berserk took a nosedive. The current Berserk is practically a fanfiction now.
>>7979986yeah cos beserk was so amazing up to the exact point where miura diedberserk was written into a corner. neither miura nor mori know where the fuck to go with it, because there's nowhere for it TO go.
>>7979978Thanks but I didn't want to learn science today
what do you guys suggest doing to make it appear less barren? I tried a few different atmosphere effects but didnt work
>>7980021well, where is it happening? just suggesting some kind of environment in that final panel would be good enough. it doesn't need to be overworked, it's pretty much already fine as is.
>>7980025well nowhere, i was thinking of those 4komma comics where it seems to just be taking place in a void
Are there any videos about thumbnailing? I think it's one of the things I really need to start doing.
>>7980129Just draw small, the hell you need a video for?
>>7980129Thumbnailing for what? Either way, you just draw smaller.
Can you see a difference between fineliner and steel nib? Blame looks very much like fineliner, for example.
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>>7980192https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhu_Bajie
>>7979841*slips my dick into your open mouth*
>>7980195eheh if I knew I would've made the weapone of the pig a rake to score bodhisattva-points with the judges of Kodansha
>>7980129https://youtu.be/6JF0Y2Thbsw?si=q1wi5sXKoNg1RYnBhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Csbgkb1vhp0If I end up making the next thread I really should just put up Mark Crilley's channel as a fucking resource or have that be the first reply to the threads moving forward. Honestly regardless of what people in this general might think about his actual published work the actual mechanics of making a fucking comic are all explained in one video or another of his, and he does it in fucking plain English too unlike some of the bigger names out there who try teaching the same shit but just end babbling on about shit that noobs wont get.
>>7980180>6'0 v 5'11
>>7980180Blame is always so interesting to me. The artist can very clearly draw properly proportioned faces (see the face of the monster), and yet our main character has eyes set so far apart he might as well be the a human/ayy lmao hybrid.
>>7980324I think some of these guys stylize the things they hate drawing. It works with blame because the characters are supposed to look a little uncanny and sad.
>>7980324>he might as well be the a human/ayy lmao hybrid.he kind of is, he's not even human really and even if he was Blame takes place so deep into the future humans have evolved differently depending where they live in the megastructure, like the fishmen being short and Cibo being super tall.
>>7980324Usually regardless of art style, if you want something to look creepy then you use more realistic elements.
>>7980021Split the first panel into two.The second one will have the content of the current first panel. Somewhat mashed together.Make a new first panel that's just an establishing shot of the three characters, from a distance and at an angle. Draw background/environment in it. Expressions are okay but no dialog unless you move one of the speech bubbles onto it, like the "what is this chi" one.
>>7979969>heinous fetishes worming its way into your projects, Vol. 11
>>7980350hmm an establishing shot, are you sure thats necessary in a primarly gag comic? its only gonna be 3 pagesalso as i mentioned before... i cant think of a location that would fit i really just imagined this happening in a non-distinct void
>>7980021motherfucker you gotta go HARD when doing shit like your top panel. Even if its a gag it makes the moment funnier, like you've been on this site for how long and you havent seen any of the >ENTERshitpost that come up on this site?Also look at pic related, I was just gonna post Jiren as reference to the shitpost but I found this pic of his toy and I think whats going on in the BG there is the effect you wanna go for
>>7980407well yeah thats what i was asking about idk how to draw those effect or where to get them, like i find stuff like picrel on pinterest but theres no source no download linkI tried to make an effect myself but it came out so badly i had to tone down the opacity as you can see
>>7980407>>7980021Another example of going hard pics
>>7980408Just find a brush with a good texture and fuck around bro thats it. Look what I did in like a minute with a black BG and a textured brush(in this I used a default gaze cloud brush thats in the CSP decoration tool) Theres no exact science man fuck around til you get something that screams HARD
Black BackgroundCrack Brush in the Decoration TabSoft Erase the bottom of the black BG
Black BGCloud Brush in Decoration TabBlend Tool to make swirlsFuck around and find out UNIRONICALLY my guy
>>7980324There isn't a single human character in Blame!.
>>7980522Just one: you, the viewer!
>>7979969watch your punctuation, lots of missing apostrophes when not speaking in the possessive. -It's (It is, It has) Its (possessive: the dogs tail)"yeah but what if it's hungry? A guy's not gonna eat your guts"
>submit work for editorial review>initial professional face, possibly the smallest frown starting off>2 minutes pass>hear first tsk>pen clicks, sounds of writing>10 pages in>get first sigh, pen clicks again>reaches end of comic chapter>extremely curved eyebrows in annoyance, furious scribblingAh, victory. If I haven't pissed off my editor I have done a bad job.
>>7979044That's WAY too much text.That said, I still enjoyed the late mucho texto HxH. I would never argue its good practice, but it works well enough for what the story is going for. It could use at least a bit fewer words though.
Where is the porn anon guy?I wanted to see if the girls got pregnant at the end by the twink guy or not
>>7980612He literally posted an update today.>>7979940
>>7980612i post earlier in the thread, yeahyou'll have a lot of waiting my friend, there's still two more chapters to complete on top of finishing this first one
>>7980555What do editors even doI've heard some people say their editors advise them on writing, and I've heard others say editors advise them on the market conditions and what people will want out of a story (read: "put this in, it'll sell us more"), and I've heard others say editors actively reject some drafts and then force changes. What's the role of an editor?
>>7980713editors give feedback on the work and do the actual editing work too (eg the final typesetting, all the stuff involved with actually putting the work in the publication and auxiliary stuff related to said publication). generally speaking, they get bonuses for works they're in charge of doing especially well, so they're invested in your success.they're also the author's liaison with the publication's leadership, who might have requests of their own.generally speaking they're your coworker, not your boss. you have no actual obligation to act on their input, though a lot of the time it'd be silly not to. but they're humans, not robots. they're capable of making mistakes or letting ego get in the way just like anybody is. knowing market conditions and stuff is both a part of their job and a natural consequence of it. they see a lot of works succeed and fail, after all. they have the best vantage point to observe market trends.
>>7980721I see, I see. I have a similar position in my line of work and the office hates her, even though she's just doing her job. We love a good punching bag.
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>>7980807Finally, I have found it.... St. Trina's, no, Lord Miquella's cadaver... I have partaken of untold secrets... Such that I may aid you, O Lord... So please, I hope you welcome your humble servant Anon... Into your dream, the world of your heart.... Indeed, I beg you grant my wish, that when you transcend from empyrean to God, allow me a place by your side...
>>7980877uhu, are you saying she looks too young/androginous? she's supposed to be a big adult woman, more of a Gwynevere than a Miquella, I think her head's too big maybe
>>7980884amazing. big women are awesome, perfect height too
>>7980884>uhu, are you saying she looks too young/androginousNo, I was just having a laugh because she was sleeping and the way the hair was drawn simply made me think of Miquella, nothing more. Sorry if I made you overthink lol.
>>7980937gotcha, no worries, it's the last few pages I'm drawing and I'm trying to make sure the inking process goes smooth afterI still think her head is too big
>>7981052>I still think her head is too bigI'm eyeballing your rough on that page and I agree. It's not inexcusably out of proportion but it's enough you could just lasso select it, transform it to be a little smaller and then I would think it's fine.
It's kinda hard to draw him flipping upside down and also keep the same proportions as the top image since he should look younger then his age.
>>7981216Hate upside down>"I'll just flip the page over and draw rightside up" >drawing looks fine but doesn't mesh with the rest of the panel's perspective >have to flip the page back to normal and draw the character upside down from scratchI've said it before but whoever invented drawing should be dragged out and shot
>>7975721Shihei Lin is accepting submission for his new manga platform.https://x.com/SHIHEILIN/status/2072986212219150590
I'm planning on drawing the cover for my project today - my very first cover. Any advice on what to do and what not to do? The cover's important because it's everyone's first impression, and it'll decide if a lot of people even look at what I've made at all. I know it's in style nowadays to just have all of the important characters do a pose on the front cover, but that's never appealed to me...
>>7981625Why not just type in any famous manga you can think of and compile a little group of their first covers? Not everyone opts for "now everybody get together and do a group pose, be sure to say Cheese!" idea.
>>7981522How much he payin
>>7981303Yeah, I'm having a really hard time trying to "feel the form." There's also surprisingly not alone of clean references for thing kinda pose either- at least not that I can find.
>>7981672I'm also doing that, but I'd like to know if mmg has any input. It's one thing to look and another to know.
I think it's coming together
>>7981625All I drew was my mc and the title
>>7981699The future of mannequin use will be sketching a pose, putting it into AI, then using the generated image as a reference.
>>7981711>I know what successful people did, what I want to know is what unsuccessful nobodies are doingMy advice would be to find what "looks/feels right" between the tone of your story, a visually pleasing interpretation of that, and what you think might get the attention of people like you or different people whom you would like to have as fans.
>>7982091I hope you are being facetious.
>>7981625Your female lead in a micro bikini with the title on her boobs
>>7982091That's the present of mennequin use. The future of mannequin use is my smokin' hot robowife posing for me before resuming Dick Suck Protocol 13-C.
little comic I did because I've been obssessed with trojan war ever since I read Iliad (1/5)
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>>7979044Dear Lord…Togashi-privilege is something else…
>>7982258You had to make to through about a hundred pages just like this to get to this one. I think it's time to stop bringing it up.
>>7982257I enjoyed it a lot, made me laugh multiple times. I feel like funky greek inspired backgrounds would make this a super charming little comic
>>7982252very cute and cool comic
>>7981862You've probably heard this before but your pages and art in general would benefit greatly from foreshortening and more dynamic lines, as it is they feel pretty stiff and flat. Try doing timed exercises on gesture to maybe get a feel of basic motion and the logic behind it. Its kinda hard to explain without sounding like some theatre kid using a bunch of buzzwords but thats basically it, maybe looking at animation frame by frame could also help.
>>7982258There is literally no defense for this.>but spaceBut he takes long enough so he should have plenty of time to pace shit better.>but condensing the boring parts is good because-There shouldn't be boring parts and you shouldn't have to plan for there to be boring parts.
>>7982282>But he takes long enough so he should have plenty of time to pace shit better.There's only so much physical page space available. Spreading it across more pages just means introducing more page space, stretching the work out to deliver the same amount of information. That's an option, but it means delivering the same amount of information in more time, not less.>There shouldn't be boring parts and you shouldn't have to plan for there to be boring parts.Boring to you, maybe. While I'm not too interested in the parts where it's just characters bantering, like in the previous batch of chapters, I rather like the dense segments of character's internal debates and working through whatever predicament they're in. Even this page shows us information that might be important down the line; that is, Beyond having launched many lawsuits within the Kakin judicial system, that they'd all been shot down, and that the Supreme Magistrate herself had shown up to deliver the news and the records of them. That Beyond knows the Supreme Magistrate personally. And that Beyond, Tiger and Saru (the traitor among the Zodiacs, remember) are now occupied reading through them/checking them for security risks. This is interesting to me.
I've never read any Euro comics. Now i'm reading Blacksad. It's the Shawshank Redemption of Euro comics.Anyway the compression of story telling is insane, most scenes last for only 2-3 pages, there is not a ton of text, not more than 5-6 panels per page, often less. No blank backgrounds.People talk a lot about western illustration vs Japanese animation approaches.Is Blacksad an example of perfect execution of the western Illustration style? Not sure if they can hold this level over several books, im only reading the first chapter rn.Anyway, my initial thought was, it's so much less bloated compared to your average manga. Not sure if it's just the novelty, but it feels like i've never experienced such density in storytelling in any manga.
>>7982327Manga fans like bloat
>>7982327I notice that with alot of western and euro comics, definitely right in that the scenes are shorter, less text explaining whats going on in the good ones. not certain wat i enjoy more. fights in comics tend to only last a few pages and dont tend to flow or show every movement, just a couple of different poses of 2 guys punching. its worse in superhero shlock cause its just guys punching each other through buildings. Mangas actually show buildup and the fight has a flow, in that its not just random poses of them fighting, but it goes from one punch to thet other. probelm is they tend to speak way too much
>>7982327I'm not sure how real the "western versus japanese storytelling" discussion actually is considering I could pluck any number of artists from the back catalog of Shounen Jump who probably have a highly compressed style, and similarly any number of highly decompressed comic books.I feel the differences there are mostly because of different expectations; people really do buy comics weekly in Japan and are totally fine with a week where not much happens, meanwhile comic book releases - especially big ones - are always expected to be full of juicy tidbits and important moments. A lot of comic runs are also pretty short, so they gotta get in and get out ASAP.
>>7982328Not sure i can be considered a fan, but i surely was a weeb for many years. I was even collecting. Bloat and filler is the main reason i dropped a lot of titles and finally manga in general. When i see One Piece pages somewhere posted, i get war flashbacks from all the bloat on the page.Yeah, they may like it, or not, the most popular manga publishing formats make bloat unavoidable, it seems.
>>7982332Yeah, the action is a little static. Effective, but a little static. Blacksad has a classic Hollywood movie vibe, that's how action is depicted in those movies. Eastern kung fu movies are a lot more dynamic, in this regards.>>7982335American comic is mostly slop, maybe even worse than Japanese. The Japanese do not have a non-slop publishing method at all. High quality stories, printed on expensive paper in color, what Americans call Graphic Novel does not exist at all.>Shounen Jump who probably have a highly compressed styleBeing compressed is not a good thing on itself, it can be very strange, with no flow. Many noob comics are like that.Blacksad is compressed but very, very effective at the same time, that's what surprised me the most.
>>7982335aren't comics floppies are sold indidually while manga chapters are sold as part of anthologies where the reader generally reads more than one series in each issue
It lacks some motion blur effect, but would a Japanese version of this shootout be much better?
>>7982344It would have more speed lines, might feel more intense automatically
>>7982352Yeah, that what i meant, some sort of smearing. A hard line for something thats moving fast, is not very immersive, it's like a stop-motion frame.
>>7982360NTA but I think that's pretty interestingIt casts the scene in a more photographic way - it's as if we're seeing a bunch of snapshot moments of something, rather than actually seeing it unfold in front of us. It creates a sense of distance. It's like how sometimes movies will put serene music over scenes of hardcore violence, to create tonal dissonance.
>>7982360It's not immersive but it immediately conveys the sense of "whoa! something's happening" which is why it's so prevalent. That page is pretty cool though, I don't think every action scene needs speed lines everywhere and it's always nice to see artists who can legibly convey a series of things happening in their own style.
>>7982361>how sometimes movies will put serene music over scenes of hardcore violence, to create tonal dissonanceKino when it's deserved but too many movies for the past decade or so spam needle drops so it's become completely saturated.
>>7982361>>7982363Yeah, the page is greate, i think the inteaktion with the surroundings, like the lamp and the very nice soses are selling it.>but would a Japanese version of this shootout be much better?That was a genuine question, not a rhetorical one. A Japanese version would convey more movement, i'm sure, but if you drag it out, it may feel less snappy.
>>7982370It may look more aesthetically pleasing but it might not fit the themes of the comic betterI haven't read it - I'm just speculating about why you'd make the deliberate choice to draw a page like this. It wasn't done by accident. Maybe the rest of the work has nothing to do with the study of violence, so it's totally out of place here.
>>7980303Thank you bro
People in manga industry often say you only need to do the bare minimum when it comes to 'art budget' (作画コスト) and it doesn't really need to be exceptional.What matter is your story is interesting and you can quickly churn out new chapter as often as possible without your art deteriorating.So what is your definition of "bare minimum"?Does copy-pasted art bother you?Does props/building that are clearly just CSP assets bother you?Does AI background bother you?
>>7982426Pajeet, bloody why have you put an ai slop filter over Niheis art, you bloody fucking?
>>7982426AI backgrounds are a bad idea because they add things to the art that the artist does not have control over. It adds visual clutter and intent-less business. Nothing on your page should be put there without some degree of purpose and intent.Assets are fine but not ideal - if that's REALLY what you need to do to fill out a page, so be it.Copy pasted art is fine because you made everything there. As long as you use it intelligently, it's no different than copying a passage from one part of a book to a later part, when - for example - a character is reminiscing about that part. Of course all smart writers will put a spin on the flashback, adding detail and context that wasn't there before, rather than just reiterating what the audience already knows. Smart artists should also do this.
>>7982426>what is your definition of "bare minimum"?Some glimpses of background and a few talking heads with speech bubbles covering the page
>>7982499>Some glimpses of backgroundExactly. Creative use of negative space to imply more background is great, and it also avoids overcluttering a panel with visual noise (even if the visual noise is extremely well drawn). Its why I could read a ton of Otoyomegatari or Witch Hat Atelier but something like Berserk makes my eyes tired after a chapter or two, even though I greatly enjoy all three mangas. I love how detailed and well constructed Berserk is but sometimes it feels like my eyes have nowhere to rest, everything is so crazily detailed. Don't even get me started on comics like One Piece; I have no idea how anybody could read it. Every single panel I randomly look at feels like I just witnessed the aftermath of somebody dropping all the pieces of a jigsaw puzzle onto the floor, it all feels so insanely busy.
>>7982344Blacksad is a crime noir, so that's what it's trying to emulate. What I find appealing about the fight scenes in the story is that they always feel chaotic but in a way that's extremely readable and clear. If you wanted to add speedlines and smears you would have to rework every action sequence to accomodate it then I think it would no longer be Blacksad. The essence of manga is the grand spectacle, being over the top in some way or another. I love manga specifically because it is over the top juvenile grandeur- I just don't think you can just throw speedlines over this and say it looks or feels better.
>>7981599done drawing, it's inking time.I'm not too good with archaic english or english in general, do these dialogues read well?
>>7981599>>7982663Cute big tit onesama vibes
>>7982426>What is the bare minimum?Whatever amount it takes for you to say to yourself "this works". Stop fucking thinking too hard about it. Sometimes a barebones shitty sketch of a drawing works, sometimes its a drawing that you know will require hours of practice/research to get right, its all fucking story dependent, and the more you get good at it the more you know how to prioritize shit but its all story dependent.
>>7978972cont.>>7982663"surely a desire exists more worthy of my favour than ..."also the pig has wished for a big smooch calling it now.>>7981862not really sure how im meant to be reading it, like he lands then kicks him? is it a spinning kick? or did he push off the ground.>>7981625there are lots of options, do a image that reflects the whole story, or the mood, you could even pick a panel in your comic and ellaborate on it, i dont know how to help without knowing more about your project.
>>7982935Your pages are coming along really nicely! One thing that made me do a double take was the final panel of the second page, where the lines around the girl's wrist and cuff kinda merge with René's arm and makes her arm look transparent. The bold line around her wrist in particular.Very nitpicky stuff though, overall everything is looking sweet!
Any tips for designing a uniform for a battle shonen like Naruto or Bleach?
>>7983079Stylish and functional and/or cool and sexy
>>7983079Keep it simple - you will have to draw this outfit a hundred times in a hundred different angles and poses, so do NOT make it complicated.Naruto is a good example because it does this excellently; it mostly has its characters dressed in an outfit that covers their whole body and is solid color with some consistent details to break it up. Consider the Akatsuki uniform just being a long black cloak - all you need to do to draw that is just draw a kite and fill it in with black ink, then draw some clouds on top. On the topic of those cloud patterns, patterns are something Naruto makes very good use of. They're inherently easy to draw at any angle since you know how they're supposed to look; look at how much shit in Naruto is just "a spiral" or "a wood texture."For a reminder of how extremely you have to simplify things; Naruto was drawn with goggles for the first couple chapters but Kishimoto had to remove them, because they took too long to draw. THAT is how simple we're talking about. When you're drawing your character sometimes literally a hundred times on one panel, this is how simple you need to make things.
>>7983079Extremely simple, practical, and cool. You are going to be drawing this again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and
>>7982935damn brother your inking is clean>also the pig has wished for a big smooch calling it now.ehe, wouldn't that be nice
>>7983151Pig anon, I'm looking at Selka's closeup in the bottom of your page and her torso seems off. People are people, so there's going to be a lot of staring at breasts whenever people get a chance - for Selka's closeup, her breasts appear to be simultaneously too high in terms of placement as well as............ lumpy/bumpy. I'm a bit confused, since when you drew the giant lady (goddess?) her breast area looked perfectly fine.
>>7983163thank you for the crit, hopefully now she's better>when you drew the giant lady (goddess?) her breast area looked perfectly fine.I'm physiologically incapable of drawing flat-chested women that's why
>>7982935>I dont know how to help without knowing more about your project.Any info I could share to help there?I had a whole post typed up but realized "hey wait what if none of this is helpful"
>>7983171The new version looks a lot better!
>>7983217Nta but like he said, the mood or whatever. Like if it's supposed to initially come off as melancholic or deep or something, one might recommend the landscape taking up the majority of the pic with the character appearing kind of small but still recognizable, or if it's edgy then maybe the character from the chest up with their forearm against the wall in kind of a side view with their head hanging a bit and a strained look on their face and mostly red and black coloring regardless of what the actual colors of the person and environment should be, or if it's like a tournament thing maybe a view from behind the character as they are just walking out of an enclosure into the main stadium area as they approach the ring, stuff like that. If generic covers aren't your thing, instead of looking at manga and anime covers maybe look at books and movie covers or promo art and illustrations in general. Sometimes it's better to look outside of direct references so the visual language isn't too cannibalistic.
is there a trick to drawing good speech bubbles by hand? I can't draw circles and I don't want to use the circle tool.
>>7983488The only "trick" is zooming in.You don't have to draw them in one go, you can draw them in smaller lines that connect.
>>7983468These are all great!Tone is important... and it's tough to capture!The world of this story is VERY dark and quite violent and psychosexual, but it's got a good humor about it. It's a drama/romance, so it must balance both aspects - I can't just go full horror cover here as much as I want to! I've got to have a sense of tenderness, and a tension between the love interests. It's an ensemble piece, so we should have multiple characters on the cover, even if it's dominated by the main two.A major inspiration for this is Deadwood - favorite show, and it has some decent promotional imagery I could crib from. But promos have never been the best part of that series. I think you've helped me put together a good visual image here, anon! Now to iterate a hundred times.
>>7983488Kind of. Two methods I can think of are either a style where the bubbles have an organic quality to them like if the lines are slightly bumpy so you have room to not be perfect, or as a fellow bubble drawer what I do is use the bubble draw tool in CSP. I start out with the lines very close to the text, then draw outward more and more until it looks half decent, the tool automatically attaches your addition to the existing bubble if you draw from and to it so you're just drawing and don't have to erase previous lines, there's also a bubble tail tool but you don't need that, you can draw the tail right off the bubble with the same tool you used to make the bubble.
>>7983690Np, cheers.
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>>7983725You can all stop staring now!
>>7975721A or B?For context: It's not a hentai nor an ecchi. It's a one shot for newcomer manga award in Japan.She's the antagonist, some sort of a delegate sent by her empire to give MC an offer he can't refuse in the midst of MC's empire's national crisis.
>>7983864for your purposes, A.
>>7983864Added option C.
>>7983873B is blatant porn clothing. It is for porn, the reader sees that and expects it to happen at some point and soon.C is for those adventure/action series where it's ecchi bait or "sometimes there is a hentai scene somewhere once every 20 chapters" kind of story where the reader still expects NSFW to happen.
>>7983727Lol, great reference. It always looked like a block of swiss cheese staring at her, the crowd is so poorly drawn.
>>7983151man the first few pages of this comics are AIDS to ink why did I draw them like that?
>>7984104Too many bideogames
>>7984104picrel? Cos I don't think it looks bad at all. Rough, yeah, but not unappealing.OOB perspective is sweet.
>>7983488Traditionally, when you're drawing you should lock your wrist and turn the paper as you go along. Digitally csp has other bubble making tools that allow you to adjust the shape so you don't have to use a 'circle tool'. Beyond that I don't know.
>>7984134I wasn't commenting on the quality of the artwork, I was just saying that the first few pages all have some tedious things to ink like picrel and the other
>>7984104Least convoluted Daggerfall dungeon
>>7984209Draw this exact map without changing the pathways in every panel of every issue or you're a coward.
>>7984209Oh jesus
>>7984209>the hacker gets an automap of an average System Shock 1 floor on Citadel Station
>>7984741YOOOOO this guy got NEN n shiet
>>7984317unfortunately the duo gets everything they want from this dungeon by the end of the chapter and won't ever need that map ever ever again
>>7983701I'll try this, the speech bubble tool seemed cheap and amateurist but I'll do what I suggested
>>7985223what you suggested*
>>7985223>>7985231Forgot to mention, it can attach its layer to a text layer. What I do is type the dialogue, make sure text layer is selected (I only use one) when finished, then draw the dialogue bubbles which creates white inside the bubble under the text so you don't need to erase art or anything under it, just know that using only one layer for all text and bubbles will make it hard to use the select tool if you need to make any corrections in post, but I rasterize the entire layer after to simplify it so that doesn't bother me. My way is the retard way but it might work for you too.
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