The general thread for Manga / manga-styled comic-making, manga-style illustration and related comic work. That said, everyone is welcome here.Support each other and talk about your work or the work of others that excites you. Inking, character design, paneling / layout, writing, planning, and other discussions are all welcome.Post resources, questions, in-progress pages, breakdowns of other works, etc. If a work is not yours, credit the maker (unless it's fucking obvious like a full page of One Piece or something).Thanks to everyone for making /mmg/ a level-headed and helpful place. Remember, drawing and making comics and manga are difficult endeavors, and we're all in this struggle together.Previous thread: >>7975721Some resources:/asg/, our stylistic sister-thread series for those focused more on illustration >>>/ic/asgBooks:Understanding Comicshttps://e-hentai.org/g/2042453/83e7da6ed0/Making Comicshttps://annas-archive.org/md5/d55168f7579c1e23275d1fc9f0a2255dManga in Theory and Practice: The Craft of Creating Mangahttps://annas-archive.org/md5/2877da11e2f852d220853e9944e6ea49Story: Substance, Structure, Style and the Principles of Screenwritinghttps://archive.org/details/RobertMcKeeStorypdf/Even a Monkey Can Draw Mangahttps://kupdf.net/download/even-a-monkey-can-draw-manga_58b9ca16e12e89233badd376_pdfThe Shonen Jump Guide to Making Mangahttps://mega.nz/file/i81imLpI#GcheJ9Jjk3lw1RE9nQWgL4RG4wEBNOcRmgA-iaU6WpgVideos:"Manga Senpai/Tokyo Name Tank", "SMAC! THE SILENT MANGA AUDITION COMMUNITY"Habanero Scans: https://www.dailymotion.com/HabaneroScans/videosManben link can be found on archive.org on different pages separated by season: https://www.reddit.com/r/manga/comments/1bu9f0y/found_all_of_naoki_urasawas_manben_and_manben_neo/Urasawa Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCkIFOAoFm47XOAlJwTa6Ieg/videosOP image is from EArTh, Chapter 22.
>>7985364Other open comic publishers:Dark Horse ( https://www.darkhorse.com )>Dark Horse still welcomes your submissions, and all submissions will still be reviewed, just as they always have been.>All unsolicited story/series proposals must have a full creative team on board. Writer-only proposals will not be reviewed.Image comics ( https://imagecomics.com/ )>Image Comics only publishes creator-owned material. They do not contract creators; they’re only interested in publishing original content for which you would retain all rights.>Image Comics publishes creator-owned/creator-generated properties and THEY DON’T PAY PAGE RATES. Image takes a small flat fee off the books published, and it will be the responsibility of the creators to determine the division of the remaining pay between their creative team members.Drawn and quarterly ( https://drawnandquarterly.com/ )>Please email a low resolution PDF with at least 20 pages of comics and cover letter to submissions. Do not send dropbox links, scripts, or proposals. Please read our submissions FAQ.Fantagraphics ( https://www.fantagraphics.com/ )>submission page: https://www.fantagraphics.com/pages/faqTop Shelf Productions ( https://www.topshelfcomix.com/ )>Regarding submissions, we're easy. Just email us a download link of what you'd like us to review. NOTE: We cannot accept cover letters, plot synopses, or scripts unless they are accompanied by a minimum of 10-20 completed pages (i.e., fully inked and lettered comic book pages).Additional publisher lists:> https://jasonthibault.com/definitive-list-comic-publisher-submission-guidelines/> https://writingtipsoasis.com/best-independent-comic-book-publishers/
>>7985365Some western / indie publishers of Manga:Saturday AM ( https://www.saturday-am.com/ )> Digital indie magazine, seems to be on the up-and-up> Open submissions for long-form series; also distributes series currently being published elsewhere.> Regularly publishes one-shots, making it a good potential outlet for already-finished work.Oni Press ( https://onipress.com/ )> Technically indie, but at this point large enough by comic standards to be mentioned in the same breath as other publishers.Antarctic Press ( https://antarctic-press.myshopify.com/ )> Longtime large-indie publisher of OEL / manga-esque books.> Seemingly taking submissions at present if https://antarctic-press.myshopify.com/pages/submissions is anything to go on.Yen Press ( https://yenpress.com/ )> Started out as a small indie publisher of original / Korean material, and has grown reasonably popular since.> As of 2016, it is also one of the western arms of the Kadokawa Corporation, with Kadokawa owning a 51% stake.> Editorial inquiries can apparently be sent to yenpress@yenpress.com, however, they apparently are not open to new submissions at this time.Viz Media / Viz Originals ( https://www.viz.com/originals )> *The* western manga publisher.> Currently in the exploratory stages of setting up an English label.> Submissions are open and several books have been announced. However, progress on the label seems to be moving very slowly.> Still might be worth a shot anyway.Shrine Comics ( https://shrinecomics.com/ )> Small indie manga publisher> Seemingly attempting to make the transition to physical volumes> Allows crossposting to other sitesIconic Comics (https://www.iconiccomics.com/)>A bit like Oni Press and Antarctic Press>A small publisher with a focus on indie works with manga inspiration
>>7985366/mmg/'s very own anon-led anthology: /ic/onographyhttps://discord.gg/QYnFBves7Vhttps://forms.gle/d3a2Cwwd44sJYyqv9(Anthology project is defunct but the discord is alive)Additional community added Resources:Mangafonts: https://mangafonts.carrd.co/Hiro Mashima YT: https://www.youtube.com/@mashimaCh/videosGanmo, a job listing board for manga assistant work: https://ganmo.j-comi.co.jp/postsHow (You) can help /mmg/:> Know about a contest or a publishing opportunity? TAG THE OP and post a link.> Have a new resource? TAG THE OP and link / mention it for inclusion.> Don't be a crab> Have a link / DL for a mentioned resource? TAG THE OP and mention what you're supplying a link for.> SCREENSHOT / PASTEBIN effort posts that help you for posterity.
>>7985368Ongoing Contest:KODANSHA MANGA ACADEMY AWARDmanga-academy.kodansha.com/award/mangaka-discovery/>Deadline is July 22>You keep all rights to manga and only caveat is IF you get stuff like the Grand Prize you Kodansha has first on publishing deal(and they get final say on no if no deal ends up getting made) so not too much downsidesAlso if you happen to be in LA for Anime Expo this year Kadokawa is doing portfolio/comic reviews:kadokawaworldmanga.com/onsite/Also they are doing online portfolio reviews:kadokawaworldmanga.com/online/Lastly, Shihei Lin is accepting submission for his new manga platform.https://x.com/SHIHEILIN/status/2072986212219150590
One day I'll finish my story. And I'm sure people will remember it! And I want them to remember it as more than some amateur's first manga!
lets hope this post is partly ironic and anon wont crash out and give up after he fails at his first comic
Hey laundrymom if your still here I’m a huge fan of devils moon, what are the anime or other pieces of media that influenced you to make this manga?
>>7985431You only fail if you give up
WHAT DO YOU MEAN I HAVE TO STRETCH MY HANDS AND FINGERS CONSTANTLY AND SOMETIMES GET UP AND WALK AROUND DURING LONG DRAWING SESSIONS
I've been feeling like some scenes on my story were too boring, and I was going to keep them as they are hoping it was just my author's desensitization talking. But after making some changes I realized they really were too boring and it was a good idea to change them. So if you ever feel the same way about your story, it's best to listen to your gut and make some changes.
Have you been published yet, Alice anon?
>>7985530Dude that shit was posted fucking months ago no? Like unless you start seeing press releases right now hyping up a new release odds are that shit is still being worked on(assuming the anon wasnt just a poser). Like even the best pitches might be seen by a more shitty editor and you gotta wait until another opportunity comes up.
>>7985470There is a process>part of the brain that "just knows" has a small hunch that scene/art is slightly off or potentially just meh in general>spend hours coping and trying to fix it>double down after spending longer than it would have taken to do something else from scratch>find out after fucking around>scrap the work and do something else from scratch
Do you usually incorporate elements of your own culture into your stories?I don't know how it is in your country, but here, depictions of regional culture in a story are highly valued. I’m from Brazil, where a "Brazilian Manga" movement has been growing; these cultural representations are highly appreciated, regardless of the story's genre.What I notice in this thread is that the stories tend to be quite universal, yet I still see many elements typical of Japanese culture. Are you overlooking your own culture?
>>7985569I personally think it's really lame when a non-Japanese author incorporates obvious Japanese elements into their story. You can get away with it if your story is literally set in Japan, but I've seen even in fantasy stories they'll give their characters Japanese names and have them do Japanese things like bowing or whatever that joke is where they poke someone in the ass.The Japanisms in Japanese works aren't really intentional, they're just what they know or find funny. You should find similiar things in your own country that are interesting to outsiders, hell you might even create some weaboo equivelants of your own country from Japanese people.But don't call it cultural representation, that makes your culture out to be some sort of political stance and not a normal part of life in your country.
>>7985569I hate Germany.>>7985582I like Japan.
>>7985590>I hate Germany.Based.>I like Japan.Cringe.
>>7985582As for using Japanese names in stories, I see no problem with it, a story can feature a diverse cast of characters from different backgrounds.Japanese manga artists, for instance, often struggle to depict Western culture, frequently resulting in inaccurate or caricatured portrayals.
>>7985590That explains why almost all of your comics you post here are set in Germany and why you draw yourself as Goku.
>>7985673>>7985590Sounds like a muzzie import
>>7985530He didn't make it and likely won't.
>>7985730It would also explain why he made that one comic about some prince from a middle eastern country.>>7985761The teapot's lid coming off feels more like a BOMF or a POOF, but I am guessing you're going for that high shrill whistling from all the steam?
>>7985761Very sexy.
>>7985652It's charming when nips do it
>>7985766>but I am guessing you're going for that high shrill whistling from all the steam?yeah, I'm not too good with sfx it's something I've never practiced>>7985767*blushes*
First time drawing a manga, lads, wish me luck.
>>7985433Please respect that I am on hiatus and stop trying to squeeze info regarding my series out of me when I'm on break. Especially stop coming to places like this to get that info. This is not a devils moon general, and this is not a fanclub. I don't feel its necessary to take up space in the thread when I am not currently working. I shouldn't have to keep breaking my silence here for your sake.
>>7985856Wow. You're really autistic.
>>7985950what dude? what? what is it? what is the fucking problem? what did I say that was so fucking wrong? seriously, everything I say gets a reaction like this. Just an endless spiral of contrarianism all the way down. context never matters.this dude was asking last thread for wip material, and I handed him whole storyboards. now he wants to ask basic ass questions that he can just ask on my socials. ignoring that I'm on hiatus when any "fan" should know that's the case. I'm not going to prioritize devils moon for the sake of one obsessed guy who wants to take a mile when I give an inch. I'm always blamed when some jackass decides to follow me around online. and for some reason you all bitch and moan when I try to shoo them off. For fucks sake.
>>7985950Spoken like a third party shitposter with no stake in the conversation
>>7985782For that steaming sound I'd probably go with "fwee" instead, the current one is fine and fwee looks sillier but might get the idea across faster.
>>7985972
>>7985814You can claim it's a stylistic choice but I'd recommend finishing the drawings, as in drawing connective lines in those spaces where one part seemingly leads to another like the window for example which just drifts off into negative space.
>>7985972Why do you even entertain this shit? You could have just ignored it. If this were HYW you would already be made a lolcow I remember when one of the rules of the internet was "don't feed the trolls"
thank you to the anon who suggested the bubble pen tool. Setting it to "rough" pen style looks freaking fantastic and the bubbles somehow are extremely smooth and better than if I used my normal drawing pen. I wasted so many years drawing endless circles and ovals like a retard
Am I missing anything important by only using sakura pigma? Should I learn to use a dip pen?
>>7985856I think you're embarrassed that you're known on an anonymous board but you gotta just swallow that shame and be happy about it. Devil's moon is good and nobody here is bothered by some anon wanting to ask about it, everyone here is on your side man. what happens in /mmg/ stays in /mmg/
>>7986087People have told him repeatedly to let petty shit like this go since one of the main reasons he keeps getting trolled is he keeps letting himself get baited, so telling him again probably won't amount to much. If I didn't respect his dedication to the art grind I'd be joining the shitposters' side.
>>7986090I am happy to receive fan interest. but for months now I have received endless comments from the same reader in multiple places. going so far as to ask about stuff I was doing pre-2020 on clearly dead platforms. lately I feel like I am doing devils moon in service of one obsessive person. If this is not that person, I get why I sound like a fucking maniac. but right now I'm concerned about being followed around and bothered about a project that's on break. Especially since I've been followed around before and then had that brought up when people argue with me. Other readers have noticed this fan in the comments, and have even asked me about him.
>>7986111autistic fans is just part of the internet, cherish these people but dont depend on them for motivation. You could be changing someones life with your drawings, isn't that a good feeling?
roleplaying general
>>7986111Can't you just ignore him?>>7986113Spoken like someone who has not dealt with annoying fans who treat you with an undue degree of familiarity to conjure an emotional bond into existence so they can feel important by attaching their name to someone who is actually doing/making something.
>>7986119Maybe I just have a higher degree of tolerance? Ever think of that?
>>7986117I like the idea of playing an artist character but actually drawing is beyond the scope of my acting ability
>>7986122No, I think you're an annoying person enabler. Proof: I'm annoying and you replied to me, giving me attention which positively reinforced my behavior and made me believe it was a good idea to reply to you again.
>>7986125You're not annoying, you're beautiful and you deserve to be heard.
Like see, I would have to be pretty stupid to get baited by >>7986126 which is why I just won't reply to the post. Have fun getting ignored kek, enter a world of loneliness devoid of my attention and feel true despair.
>>7986126>>7986135The sexual tension is palpable
New chapter is up, but I just realized that I uploaded the title page with the typo to most sites... this is chp 35, not 36
>>7986172>not providing a linkOswald anon, people are lazy. I have your comic bookmarked, but for everyone else you gotta give them the link lol.
>>7986186I'm so bad at promotion. Also, I have no idea which site is best to link... but you're right. Herehttps://oswaldtheoverman.thecomicseries.com/comics/722/#content-start
>>7986089Dip pens give you more direct control over line width within each stroke, but are a lot harder to control as a result. You don't need to use 'em, but once you're practiced and capable with them they're a faster way to get clean strokes of variable width. Kinda like a brush but with a narrower range of widths. It's up to you whether or not that sounds like it's worth the effort.
>>7985569I fucking hate how much they shove Lampião ''myth" in every brazilian media and it get shilled and praised just because is cangaçocore. But despite all that, none of them became a national phenomenon. Like how much you will see an american comic being praised and shilled because it has a latina lesbian heroine but you never see anyone caring for it.
my latest penguin comic. looking for feedback on any of my stuff @ https://efsius.netI'll be streaming throughout today drafting chapter 8 of hefferchuhttps://www.twitch.tv/efsius1/https://www.youtube.com/@efsius1/streams
Do professionals use indesign or something else for dialogue? I found working with text fucking annoying on clip studio
>>7976021new page done
Rank those 3 purely in terms of art quality
>>7986695>never heard of it, looks whatever>never heard of it, looks whatever>never heard of it, looks whatever
>>7986695Last one looks fine but since the text is part of the image it's ruined by being about a hero and a demon lord, the bane of creativity in manga and anime stories.
>>7986695The fight choreography in KSBD is phenomenal, but the drawings sometimes looks really bad. The story is... at least interesting.Ramia was very well drawn throughout and has sex appeal, but the story is terrible.
>>7986711>drawings sometimes looks really badAny particular examples?
>>7986817That I have saved? No. Go browse the /co/ threads and make your own judgement.
>>7986836>Go browse the /co/ threadsOk, I've come back. Yeah, I see what you mean. Most panels are fine/serviceable. The ones who aren't are........... well, I'll just chalk it up to them being on a release time crunch.
>>7986861Literally this. As a whole the comic isn't necessarily bad, but there's definitely times you can tell it's rushed.
>manga making generalheres my new Manga character. ITS AMERICA JOE THE BAKA GAIJIN
Enclose and fill is a gift of God
>>7986510Professionally published mangaka don't do the final typesetting themselves. They do temp text, which their editor goes off of when doing the final text. Couldn't tell you what program they use, though in the past they literally pasted each individual character onto the page (dunno when they stopped doing that).
kinda of lost all the passion for this comic but at least I will force myself to finish the chapter 1 to dont let it go to waste
Things I like to draw:1.) Big, fat anime tiddies2.)
>>7985569I really have no idea if there are any authors actively publishing manga down here, there was one guy that did mercenary bloodlines, I should probably finish reading it and show some solidarity towards a fellow author. I am working on something myself and one of the aspects of our corruption ridden banana republic system I want to portray is the useless figure of the 'judges of peace' which essentially are officials that oversee like minor local court and civil matters, Im not sure how it works in other countries but down here they are infamously corrupt (some of them have even turned out to be relatives of the criminals themselves) and their rulings as well the law are made in such a way that the criminal barely ever receives punishment and the victims largely receive the overkill heft of the law. There are also a bunch of hyper progressive human rights groups who double as state psychologists who'd do the same thing , theyll get involved and justify all matter of thirdworld-ism, defend it under the premise of how the criminals are the actual victims who cannot tell right from wrong, I hate both of these elements so much that I plan to throw them into a story full of extreme corporate cyberdystopia where corporations participate in biological matter harvest 'auctions' that rival or trump the extent of the law, so even if the criminals declared innocent they can still be harvested by the mercs hired by corpos who pay huge amounts of money, effectively rendering their human rights gaslighting meaningless.Oh heres the series I mentioned above in case you want to check it out. Im not a big fan of the aesthetic but I give him props for actually publishing it, personally id rather make it free and go the route of patronage/crowd funding but w/e*edit*I couldnt share the link on here cause of 4chans gay spam detection system but if you search mercenary bloodline on google, its easy to find.
Sup guys, i had an idea for a comic about a gay nazi officer. Is it possible to get state money for it?It's not very political, it's more focused on the human condition.
>>7986962I bet your hatching looks way better in trad. For some reason digital hatching has an uncanny quality to it.
>>7987540Digital lineart in general looks uncanny, I really hate looking at any manga done with it. It all has this very plastic quality to the lines, and characters seem to always be drawn at a different resolution than the backgrounds, very artificial.
>>7987372>he likes to drawNGMI
>>7987372Things I like to draw:>Women>Burly men>Machines>Monsters>Architecture
>>7987582To me it's always been the use of texture brushes that fuck it up, not the use of the good old fashioned hard, thin pen. Especially when it uses gaussian blur.
>>7987540I'm really feeling the drag of inking digitally on this comic, so I'm thinking for the next one I might try inking trad and then toning digitally or some other hybrid process
>>7987582Checked yourself for schizophrenia yet?
>>7987730Struck a nerve, I see
>>7987714>the weakest chinese waitress in any dim sum restaurant coming to deliver your foodGod, I miss dim sum. Need to get some luo bo gao and ha gao again.
>>7985582People kept calling my somewhat ordinary comic "anime" so I redrew it and now they appear to live in Gochiuzbekistan.
>have to write the story and characters before storyboarding>have to storyboard before drawing the panels>have to draw the panels before (digitally) inkingI don't even know how to do digital art, I haven't even downloaded CSP, am I being dumb in just going for it and making a manga with 10+ years of traditional art skill
>>7988047or, even worse, spend even more money on a proper document scanner and spend an entire month making it work on linux
>>7988047Show your regular art.
>>7988047There's nothing wrong with just going for it and making your comic. However, you're going to find switching to digital frustrating and difficult, naturally. You're switching to an entirely different medium. Keep that in mind.
>>7988058Picrel
>>7988086just draw short minicomics of random ideas. That's the best practice.
>>7988047Get Krita if you don't want to spend money on CSP before you know you like digital
>>7987714i think digital is just ugly, its too sharp, trust the process and know that it'll soften when in print media.
>>7988113>spend money4chan has lost their way....
>>7988190Yeah that's the thing, the ugly digital sharpness goes away in print. It looks a lot better on a page than in the work file.
>>7987334>kinda of lost all the passion for this comicWell then you better find it! There's nothing sadder than seeing a story get abandoned.
>>7988190I agree with knight-anon. I routinely get my stuff printed and it always looks a lot better than the digital work file.
>>7985569I honestly don't care much about that stuff.
How do these 3 pages look? I think this page looks pretty odd, but I think the next 2 are ok.Also these 2 are the first 2 pages of the scene >>7979934
>>7988047I definitely think its easier to get your art work to look "good" with digital art, but if you want it to look legendary like some of the best mangaka, trads the way to go. But jeez, since ive switched, its so much easier and less time consuming, and I dont have aspirations to be phenomenal, I'm happy with being good
>>7987334Yeah I get that. It's probably good to finish a part of a project instead of abandoning in. I'm probably gonna end up having to stop picrel after I finish this 110 long first chapter.Starting arts pretty awful, and I don't know how good the concept is anyway. Still gonna submit it around, and then put it online for free, but I started this a year ago basically thinking I'll make a first chapter as practise, but I've gotten attached to it as I've gone along
>>7988257I'll add, I'm still yet to color these as well, I wanna do that when I'm finished, so hopefully it improves it abit
>>7988047I believe in you anon!
>>7988049Those are $5 in charity shops, but current inflation may have pushed them into $25 territory. You spend 1 minute connecting it, it doesn't install drivers, it concludes you have a scanner now. Then you spend 1 hour prodding xsane until you get the image you want (hint: drop the gamma as low as it goes). Write down or screenshot your results and you're set.t. scanned a lot of pencil scribbles
I forgot how fun it is to draw new people and designs.
I have found a new appreciation for writer/artist combo authors in the west: being both the artist and the writer of an american style comic book is harder than in manga because you don't get assistants, you have only one month and you have to sketch the entire thing, ink it , add lettering, possibly even color it. Imagine drawing a whole page in one day, they have to do that daily
Sup guys, trying to draw comics after mostly painting and illustrating, but it's not really expressive enough for a comic book. Is there a book or a course on style specifically?Something like pic related in therms of realism.
>>7988461It's quicker to just draw something and feel your way through the process.
>>7988461Loomis
>>7988366Comics are made months in advance, like TV shows. You finish 2-3 issues before it's published and the schedule is more lax from there as long as you don't get too far behind.
>>7988470I tried, drew a page, took me 3 days, didnt like it. Pic relatedSome guidance would be nice, i guess.>>7988493Nice meme, bro.
>>7987714>>7987582Could try looking for an auto-action off the marketplace for post-processing and experimenting with them if you're using CSP, might give your finished pages/works a softer or more consistent look.
>>7988589nice drawing
>>7988617it's some AI enhanced shit, look at the chick's eyes and the fact that she seems to be dropping a trail of fat turds
>>7988626nice AI drawing
Sup /mmg/, it took a while but I'm happy to announce that Chapter 5 is here for AECAST. https://globalcomix.com/read/202ddec3-30f5-47a2-8927-e95fd939c6e6/1Chapter 5 is the start of a new story arc. Thanks in advance to any readers.
>>7988563think about what took you the longest to do, I like this but maybe you think it doesnt evoke enough emotion or wonder. Drawing more detail and spending more time on it won't achieve that. You gotta learn where to cut corners and how to master panel usage, which is just practice. But when I see this I read it left to right don't really have any problems with it. Since its a white scene I guess panel borders can be removed like on the top panel and have the art extend to the left and right.
>>7988563I am not a pro, and I think your page already looks cool. Here's my attempt, however, at making it read a bit better.. a subjective one.I made the panel borders thinner because they caught my eye a bit too much. Then I reshaped and resized the panels to better reflect what is happening inside them and the importance of these happenings. Then I tried to slow the pacing down, since I felt like two scenes were competing for attention: The guy wandering through the snowy forest, and the seemingly important discovery. I also tried to use more varied angles and avoid drawing panels that do the same job: your first panel already show the guy wandering through the snow in sufficient detail, so I merged the 2nd and the 3rd panels to focus on a new piece of information. Then I shifted the focus away from the guy to the crows and used their POV to keep things fresh.. Then I gave everything some time to react to each other: the crows react to the guy, the guy reacts to the crows, and then his attention returns to the stone.Anyways, I'm not really sure if my version reads better in the end, I think my perception might be skewed and I might be a schizophrenic. I hope at least some of it will be helpful to you still.
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>>7988832BANG
>>7988832Only suggestion I'd make is to have his face pointed lower in the third panel, just slightly more than it is in the first, pretty sick set of pages though.
>>7988563Not saying it's perfect, it could flow a bit better but I don't really see what wrong with it. You say you can't do expressive well enough but I think you could lean into that since this could work for a more melancholy sort of story. One thing that might help is having a solid idea of your characters, you won't be able to put as much of yourself into it if you don't know what you're putting yourself into.
>view angle slightly below character's face>draw the head in a normal 3/4 view instead of showing the part under the chin where the neck and head connectNothing personal drawsweats, it's just my style
>>7989208they can't stop us
>>7989214>>7989245She looks so soft...
>>7988190with a half done panel because i just cannot be fucked playing with photobashing at the moment.
Is there any way to make a muscle-head villain interesting?Every time I see this archetype, they're either straight jobber or straight unremarkable.
>>7989401Banes beloved. Depends also what you mean by muscle head. Like a retard that just punches thingss, or somebody whos huge and powerful, and values strength. Depends on their philisophy and actions in the story, if their just a streotypical muscle head their boring, but if theres more to them, then maybe not
>>7989401give them a heavy back story, make them have a soft spot for something, make them funny, make them have a humorous sidekick, give them a noble cause
>>7989401Just make them win fights and have a fun personality
>>7988692Cover looks very rapeable , nice
>>7988692Nice, best chapter yet
>>7989401Don't make them job, that's lazy. Make them actually a serious threat requiring immense effort to overcome
>>7989401Depends on what you mean, but the most appealing "big guy who likes violence" archetypes to me always come when they have a philosophy of violence. Violence is a way of life for them, it's not just an option they choose because it's the easiest thing to do - it IS their life.Think The Judge from Blood Meridian, or (for a much less deep character) Sundowner from Metal Gear Rising Revengeance, who I'm pretty sure was inspired by the former. Bane from Batman to a lesser extent, also has an appealing philosophy.
>>7988788>think about what took you the longest to doBackgrounds, i used to paint quite a bit with oils, but doing landscapes with lines is very different. But i think that's something i can learn on my own, style though i don't know.>>7988829Thx. Thats nice, the shots are more zoomed in, more dynamic. In my version there is an emphasis on the location, but i guess for it to work, it should be visually more interesting.>>7988886It's the first page, there is not a lot going on there, i think changing style wouldn't do much here, later on there is more action and i have more problem to find a proper style to depict that.
>>7989579Bane?
>>7989598For you.
Been moving over the past couple of weeks, so not much time to draw, but I finally got some progress on the next pages. I'm trying out a bunch of different things when making this one-shot, and I'm figuring out that doing long curvy lines traditionally is really difficult. I'm not really happy with the slicing effect in the first page, so I might change that up in CSP down the line. Not entirely sure what to think of the sky in the second page either. It looks a bit busy. Might change that digitally as well
im a stupid fat perma int sperg that will never have the iq necessary to do anything more than this
>>7989623It took me like four reads to realize it was supposed to be read right to left, and that what was getting chopped was a twig. Sigh, I need more coffee.
Guys i have Version: 18.07.05.1415 Lazy Nezumi and 1.113.2 CSP, they don't really work together. If i hook a window, it blinks red but if i zoom, LN does not react to it.What the problem, do i have to update both softwares? LN has just so much more powerful perspective guides.
>>7989639>>>/hyw/
>>7989678its not that i dont know how to draw it, i just have this debilitating brain fog that renders me useless artistically. like i can draw something good once every 2 weeks and anything in between that makes me feel like blowing my fucking brains out.i made this drawing on mspaint with my trackpad one night like 2 months ago and now i cant make anything else that satisfies me even half as much
>>7988881noted, but there is no time to change anything before the Kodansha deadline thing so what's on the page once it's done enough is what I'm submitting
>>7989685Alright, tell /mmg/ your problems and what it would take to get you out of your funk.
>>7989727No...you MUST make the changes or else I'll cry and whine and throw food everywhere
>>7989750mega man general?
>>7989821Melancholic Men Gossiping
What do you do when youre still in the planning phase but DONT WANT TO FUCKING WRITE ANYTHING because its the most boring fucking part but you also don't want to come up with designs for a character?Completely siderail into making a 4panel for the fuck of it? Kill yourself? What do you do?
>>7989858I have never not wanted to design characters, don't know what to tell you about that
>>7989858If your characters and setting don't inspire you to write more than you have room for, I guess your problem is that you have a boring story.
>>7989858>What do you do when youre still in the planning phase but DONT WANT TO FUCKING WRITE ANYTHING because its the most boring fucking part but you also don't want to come up with designs for a character?Then you don't want to make a comic, clearly? Go draw or do something else until you do.
>>7989623There are a few things that could be worked out such as composition or line quality, but I think the story deserves some priority over what will eventually be solved with time and practice. What it really needs is a focus very strong and clear action and reaction and about half of these panels should be told in gestures and outward emotions. Why is the knight attacking what appears to be a small, defenseless girl? Do they think she's a monster? Is the knight crazed or evil in some way? I think these are questions you yourself can answer, but then it is also your job to make it make sense to a dimwit such as myself.
>>7989858If you don't write the story, you don't design the characters, you are basically doing nothing. You are just sitting there and thinking about, how cool it will be when you start to draw your manga. One day, in the far future.
>>7989872Anon, I don't know how to say this to you but every single author has had writers block at some point in their lives, even Tolkien, even George R. R. Martin, even Tite kubo, even Takehiko Inoue, even Katsuhiro Otomo, even you, even me>>7989887I do, I don't want to do step 1 to get to the other steps. I have the entire story plotted out but not fleshed out, I don't feel like writing the details (what happens, which characters, name them, give them a character sheet, fucking whatever) when I could just be storyboarding and planning the panels
>>7989892You don't need to make a full on concept art and lore book before you start, just sketch and bullet point whatever is completely necessary and start storyboards or something.
>>7989892>I don't feel like writing the details (what happens>when I could just be storyboarding and planning the panels..... how..... are you storyboarding anything if you don't want to plan what happens because you consider that detail work?
>>7989889Thanks for the in-depth feedback! I have to note that my comic is read from right to left, which indeed causes a strange sequence of actions if you read it left to right. The girl picking up the stick to defend herself and the knight cutting it happens first (as a follow-up from the knight charging the girl in the previous page), and the girl then begs for her life as a last ditch effort.The slash you mention on panel four is supposed to be the girl's hair falling in front of her face, as she's throwing herself to the ground, but I'm realizing it reads poorly after cropping the page at the cutting border. The slash I was thinking of is the curved lines behind the "chopped" panel on the first page.
>>7989910Thog no like word, thog want cave paint story insteadThog think cave paint more fun than word
>>7989401it's the same as any other character. if you want them to be likeable, make them likeable. maybe he has convictions he sticks to, maybe he's just a friendly dude, maybe he's a silent killing machine who just gets the job done clean and efficient putting the rest of the cast to shame, and so on. having an action pivotal role is important too. if he shows up and achieves nothing and dies then there's no reason to remember him, but if he shows up and represents a major turning point in the story then there's more reason to like him.hxh's uvogin kinda just exists to show off how strong the new villain cast are and job to kurapika, but while he's around he's the star of the show and his death is critically important element for the villains of that arc moving forward.another example is kuroki gensai from kengan asura; he doesn't have a particularly compelling personality or backstory or even much screentime, but his role in the story as the "fuck your rival setups, the strongest wins" is a big part of what makes kengan asura compelling.
>>7988692The last page gave me chills! Overral good bonding chapter, I just think the paige "twist" happened too fast and was a bit confusing and felt a bit out of place. Anuckar is totaly sus, lets see what he is up to.
How do you draw something like that? I want to draw a manga placed in a postapocalyptic Japanese city. I have a feeling i would need weeks for a frame like that, and i need many such frames.
>>7990546Like this, rectangles and lines
>>7990549
>>7990549>Like thisLol, how?A city is not perfectly rectangular, so i need several different 2 point sets of grids, with the same angle, from the same horizon line.Is it even possible to do in CSP?
>>7990546AI
>>7990555I haven't drawn it myself so I'm only guessing, but if I were to tackle this I think I would first draw some blobs of the outline of the city, like a cluster of buildings here, some taller buildings here, just blobs. Then I would draw the flat plane of the land and draw flat lines over it outlining the main roads, just random squiggles really. Then I would bring up the buildings as rectangles starting from the back and coming forward, getting more specific about their details as they get closer to the foreground. Then I would add dimension to them to indicate lighting, just more rectangles but carefully placed to be the sides of buildings. Then I would a bunch of lines and dots in the buildings to indicate windows, and some various random brush strokes to indicate rooftops.Add in some trees, mixup the colours of the buildings a bit, and just render it until it looks like a cityscape
>>7989598Was shitposting part of your plan?
>>7990571Saar?>>7990577I can find tutorials for cities on a perfect grid, like pic related, but that's not what cities do look like irl.
>>7990546The trick is to draw most of it as a solid block of color. Don't focus on details, just focus on making something that looks like a city when you squint.Remember: your audience will not be looking at this panel for more than a minute at best, probably more like a few seconds.
>>7990688Even if there are cities built on a grid, it'd be a very boring city.
>>7990692That was not the image I meant to post but alright
>>7990688What you do is draw or just picture some of those roads turning at an odd angle, then draw buildings along that trajectory. Like, just add a curving street right through the middle of that cluster of buildings, then rotate the buildings that line it to face the new street. It will make the city look much more natural.
>>7990692Thats an plein air approach, for sure. But i have to design the city, its post-apocalyptic, its not modern Japan. And it's about people with superhuman strength, so the can jump up high, and interact with the architecture, i don't think color shapes will do it.>>7990693Yeah, that's what im saying.>>7990694Now everyone knows you want to fuck anime-twinks, too bad.>>7990696In a practical sense, what software to use, how to make a grid with different vanishing points on one horizon?I tried blender several times, it feel very autistic and contra intuitive, for me. I need a 2d solution. I mean a lot of manga, has very big, detailed fantasy cities.
>>7990705Just draw it on paper. We were making maps and city layouts long, long before computers.
>>7990705>How to make a grid with different vanishing points on one horizon?You may just want to study perspective more. If you can do three point perspective, you've got all the tools you need. I know that's not very helpful but there's nothing I can tell you that a book on perspective can't tell you better.
>>7990713You think its easier on paper?>>7990715I could do it by using some crotches. But i would like to have something, that just works.I asked before about Lazy Nezumi i cant make it run with csp.In Lazy Nezumi it wouldn't be that hard, you can change the angles by typing a number, not by sliding lines with no indication, like in csp.I mean in theory, its not rocket since. You have horizon line and you have 2 vanishing poionts. Lets say 45 and 45, 90 together. You can have more vanishing point on the same horizon line, as long as it has the same sum of 90, it will work.I tried to do it in csp and at just don't work.
>>7990733>You think its easier on paper?Yes.You're doing too much math and making this way more complicated than it needs to be. Sounds like a procrastination tactic to me, you are avoiding making something by getting yourself bogged down in a trivial detail
>>7990733>But i would like to have something, that just works.Practice works!
>>7990735>Yes.No it's not. I can tell you as a trad guy.>Sounds like a procrastination tactic to meProjecting much? My current manga has very simple architecture, but's still hard for me. I know if i want to draw the next one with a big ciry as location, my current knowledge will not be enough.
>>7990741>Practice works!Nice platitudes, dude. But what should i practice, if don't see a method to have several varnishing points in csp?
>>7990744You practice drawing the vanishing points yourselfI don't use CSP and my software of choice doesn't have anything fancy like that.>but it won't be exactThat's okay. It looks more naturalistic.You're drawing a post apocalypse, right? It's fine - even good - if things look fucked up.
>>7989939well shucks chuck. I had no choice but to assume I was gonna read something wrong! I did know it was right to left but being tarded in the funniest way possible I just got the pages out of order, that more or less would translate to just reversing the order of the storyboard.I like to throw things at people in a sort of take it or leave it sense. I am a salt and pepper amateur who is okay not hoarding experience, I have met both skilled artists who scorned the idea of helping people and those glad to refuse it because of a retarded ego.The confidence I have to continue is a wild thing because I have surpassed many, seen who kept up and who failed. I'm curious to see where you will go.
>>7990742I like people who ask for advice, then get mad when its not what they wanted to hearYou seem to already know what answer you want, so just pretend someone said that and be on your way.
>>7990546Trace if you're having trouble, then do it on your own with a reference, then see how well you can do it on your own.
>>7990688>but that's not what x do look like irlThe death of creativity and English grammar.
>>7990705>I need a 2d solution.I don't know about other platforms but Galaxy Tabs used to have a feature where you could adjust an app's transparency and hover pop up app windows over others, so you could have conceivably used that to draw over a 3D image but they got rid of that feature for no reason. Alternatively you could screenshot 3D models and draw over those.
>>7990784Nta but I remember when I used to type in a more informal tone and people said it was kind of insufferable and now I see why they thought that
>>7990846At least 50% of the posters on /mmg/ are ESLs making comics.
>>7990744>But what should i practiceLiterally everything
>>7990891Sure, but I expected better from Australians.
>>79897277 days and 21 more pages to go
>>7991026Don't beat yourself up if you somehow inexplicably happen to miss the deadline, pig anon. It just means you're ready for submission automatically next contest.
I'm gonna pre-empt this post by apologizing for double posting, but I wanted to know what /mm/g thinksI've been trying to make my work more attractive to the male gaze. Do we think this is attractive as a protagonist's design? I've gotten some feedback that amounts to "make her more of a sex object" but I'm not into that. She's meant to be a hopelessly provocative lure.
>>7991093Everything about this is wrong, if what you're going for is the male gazeYou did great if you were going for uncanny horror movie monster
>>7991095She's a zombie, if that counts for anythingI hoped she would be a sexy zombieShe takes heavy inspiration from a lot of series I'm into which might preclude her from being something men like. But I hope not though. Did I really mess up that bad?
>>7991096>She's a zombie, if that counts for anything>I hoped she would be a sexy zombieNot that anon, but when I think of "sexy zombie" as an idea prompt, I mentally think of Rottytops from Shantae. Or if we're doing something dead-adjacent, then something like Jeanette from Vampire the Masquerade Bloodlines.
>>7991099squigly
>>7991099Not that I mean anything by it, but thesecharacters just look like normal (highly stylized) women with different skin tones. I was thinking something along the lines of Monster High girls, with some inspiration from Holy Wood (Coolworld)
>>7990880didn't feel like it.
>>7991093My advice would be to be mindful of fat placement, hips, and shoulders. Spend enough time in /a/, /co/, or /v/ threads about female characters and you'll notice it doesn't take much to set off the need to breed. Sometimes just a simple face with dot eyes and eyelashes. Draw a stick figure type design like Adventure Time or whatever, make the thighs slightly pronounced, do a bit of hourglass on the torso, put a lash on each eye, give it long-ish hair, there's your basic template.
>>7991093Why do you make the torsos so short
>>7991093I'm going to level with you: there is nothing even remotely attractive about this. Just judging on all the things you've posted in the past, your designs, your style, your proportions do not really evoke any sense of traditional attractiveness. I agree with the other guy; If you're going for a weird horror or monster design, I think they work somewhat. Your characters look spindly and almost insect-like with thin, lanky limbs and even kind of off-putting facial designs and features.I think you have plenty of technical skill, I think you can individually make some decent parts, but putting them together doesn't really do much. I think it is strange to want "the male gaze" but then don't want to put much of an actual traditional "sexiness" into their designs.If your aim is Monster High, I think you're missing the mark. Coincidentally, you're probably lander closer to the later direct-to-video schlocky Night of the Living Dead movies. MH barely added many monstrous elements to the characters, they more leaned into the cutesy factor.
>>7991093Make the hair longer, for one
>>7991176Short hair sexo though
>>7991064what kind of punk-ass comic artist can't crunch-ink 20 pages in 7 days, I'll channel the Toriyama that is said to have drawn and inked chapters the night before submitting them
>>7991093>I've been trying to guess what OTHER PEOPLE might likeStopped reading right there. Stop asking questions that just exist to waste your own time. Draw whatever the fuck you think is worth "gazing" over and work from there.If you think fucking Monster High is hot >>7991096 then learn to think for yourself why you think those characters have appeal and take from it.
>>7990936I leave typos in my 4chan posts all the time, not because of any lacking in my linguistic ability but because I can't be assed to proofread my fucking 4chan posts.t. VEE BEE FUCKIN LONGNECK
>>7991195I don't think they should change their style either but there's nothing wrong with trying out a type of appeal you may not be familiar with. I tweaked one of my characters to try and make him potentially look more attractive to females and it turned out looking cooler than he originally looked.
>>7991195TA (that anon) here and I don't think I Monster High is hot, it's just a big inspiration for me.
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>>7991194>what kind of punk-ass comic artist can't crunch-ink 20 pages in 7 daysMe ;_;
>>7990742> my current knowledge will not be enough.guess it can't be done then. oh well, you post two pages and act a right goofball, such a strange energy to bring when asking for help.>>7991093is there a lore reason why you draw your upper halves out of scale with your lower halves? as far as appeal, yes this character could be 'more attractive to the male gaze' i just think you don't have the skill yet to achieve what you have got in your head, which is not to say your should stop, just readjust your expectations. >>7990936we don't claim him. >>7991194it's in the bag.
>>7991203˙uǝɥʇ uo ʎɹɹɐɔ 'ǝuiɟ s,ʇɐɥʇ
>>7991287Oh, you! You're good at this!>is there a lore reason your upper halves are out of scale?It's just Mehitabel. I thought men liked longer legs. So I made a six foot tall (counting heels) woman who had long legs. Most of my other characters aren't drawn this way.I'm sorry I don't have much art for that, I'd like to give a proper reply later when I'm more capable.
>>7991151Also directed at >>7991299
>>7991299It's sort of a perception thing. Yes guys like legs but going overboard makes it a fetish and doing it without actually understanding the appeal can potentially lead to something unique from the intended effect. Look at those korean gacha girls, they appeal to legsfags but their proportions, while unrealistic, are still within a perceived realm of believability. Instead, to pander to this and that, certain angles are used in the cutscene CGs to accentuate the features that the artist wants to show off. Another reason you don't really have to change a character to fit a preference is because the viewer will already do it for whatever body part they're fixated on. They will just look at that part regardless of whether or not you emphasized it, it will be prominently featured in their own mind as though it was zoomed in on. Speaking from experience as a thighfag.
>>7991299ok for what i think you're going for check out the body proportions of the undead females from WoW, A.K.I from SF6 and the advertisements from cyberpunk 2077.
>>7991333That's a damn good sketch
This was fun to draw
>add 2 new pages in the middle>didnt take any step closer towards being completedamn
>>7991634You are closer to creating the thing you wish to createThose two new pages were always going to happen.Your art would be incomplete without them.
>>7991727thanks, you are probably right
>finally have dedicated alone time to do anything I want to do for 8 straight hours>Chug 2 energy drinks in 30 minutes while scrolling aimlessly>Go to sleep>Wake up>8 hours gone
>>7991897The life of an artist and true gamer
>>7991905I lied, I'm still sipping on my energy drink and just opened krita to bust out some character designs
>>7991333While Im sure it wasnt intentional this looks like the robot girl from that one Glitch show
>>7991963Not that anon but>While Im sure it wasnt intentionalDon't be too sure.
>>7991897>>7991921FUCK ME, nope, only had about an hour and a half, got one single character sketch in and spent the rest of the time fucking with the face
>>7991155MH was an inspiration but not the inspiration; it's just /fa/ as fuck.>I think you have plenty of technical skillThat's more frustrating, in a way. If you don't have the skill to draw something, you eventually will, but this isn't something you can "just keep trying" at - you need to learn somehow. I guess I'll have to try really hard to understand>>7991176People have been telling me to do that, but just as many people have wanted me to keep it short. I'm leaning short, mostly because I can't come up with a good design for it.>>7991333Oh wow! Is that really what she looks like? I know that sounds odd to say about a character I designed but she really looks different when it's not you doing it. I think you've talked me out of those dumb thigh high boots w/ handles and I'm just gonna bring the Draculaura classic back. Maybe with something still thihg high, but less subtle. Also I'm going to give her a real midsection. Is that what people meant by her torso being too short? I misunderstood that...I do worry I'm veering too far away from the initial design seed of "Zombie who's a wannabe super model." I'll have to review. I feel we're close.
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>>7992009that's how it goesyou kinda have to throw hours and hours at it because you can't guarantee any of those will be quality hours, y'know?
>>7992059>sword inserted right underneath nail all the way to the endWow, I didn't realize this was a GURO comic. :VBut in all seriousness, your comic is looking good pig anon.
>>7992059noice
>>7992109I meant free time. At least my roommate isn't trying to talk to me every 5 seconds right now. I think this is just as far as I can go until it's socially acceptable hours to sit in your room. Who needs sleep when you have a manga to make
>>7992009the face is the most important part of any character design so extra time should be spent on it
>>7992009>>7992139Is this supposed to be a child or a midget?
>>7992267Child, 4 years old
>>7992270He kind of has the head, neck, and jawline of a man, and has little T-rex arms. I don't think he'd even be able to reach his face with those arms.
>>7992139you need to go to /lsg/ IMMEDIATELY, tell them I sent ya
>>7992272My roommate kept telling me the arms were too big, so I just made them smaller and smaller until he stopped saying they were too big.
>>7992273Fucking no, I'm not making anime CP, I'm making a flashback scene where the MCs parents die.
>>7992277I think my main problem is that his head is just too big, and the features are too defined. A 4 year old would still have a fair amount of babyfat on their face, and more rounded, less-defined features. Its also kind of weirdly shaped, and I think the hair style is kind of working against it too. I would honestly look at maybe something like the Promised Neverland for how it depicted some of the smaller children. Even if you don't like it or its style, you could probably use it as a starting point.
>>7992282If I make his head smaller, then we're pushing the 3-4 head tall proportionsI'll try to soften up the features more, but I'm going for semi-realism, vagabond is a big inspiration art style-wise. Hair style is just a messy grown out bowl cut, what's wrong with it?
>>7992283>Pic says FIVE headsHoly fuck I'm stupid, yeah, I'll fix the head size
>>7992278then I think what you can do is give him less of an adult posture. kids stand like special needs adults, if that makes sense. And their faces are spacey with less subleties to it.
>>7992110>>sword inserted right underneath nail all the way to the end>Wow, I didn't realize this was a GURO comic. :Vin the original draft the MC was supposed to gouge out the eye of the giant but I didn't know how to get there so I went with the nail, it's an harrowing wound and I remembered how it made me feel when something similar happened in Kaiji.>But in all seriousness, your comic is looking good pig anon.Thanks!
>>7992284>>7992283NTA but this might be of some use to you
>>7991194I was dreading inking this page but it came out pretty cool I think
If you had to choose between a cure for cancer and stairs being easier to draw, which do you think you'd wish for? Be honest.
>>7992682I thought I read "sisters" at first and the answer was easy, but now I see it's "stairs" so my answer is the cure.
>>7992682>which do you think you'd wish for? Be honest.Cure for cancer.
>>7992682Stairs aren't hard to draw as long as you have a straight edge, so, cure for cancer it is.
>>7992682Several people in my life are dead from various cancers. So I would opt for cure. As for stairs, I just use rulers.
>>7992682several people in my life are dead from various cancers and you bet your ass i'm choosing the stairs.
>>7992785>>7992796"Several people" YEAH OK SURE
>>79928163 that i know of, yeah
>>7992816"Many" people would be too much, as it's nowhere near the majority of the people I know, but it's also more than just a couple or two. What do you want me to say, bro?
are there any public manga .psd files?I found one for a pokemon thing
How do better lineart and shading? I am using a mouse btw.
>>7993021with not a mouse
>>7993021You get pencils at ikea for free, poornon.
>>7993021forget shading for no and focus on using lines to create shadows. Look at the moat you drew, youdidnt draw a lone between the grass and water. This is good, that kind of variety makes it look like the other side of the moat is a sharper cliff because you drew a line. Start using thinner lines and laying it on more thick in areas where you would shadow, its a hard subject to master but you can do it. Also get a tablet.
>>7985856all you had to do was not respond you fucking sperg
>>7993021Back to /beg/
>>7993299The irony.
>>7993303/mmg/ is one of the last places to tell anybody to leave and go back to /beg/. I love everyone here for trying but some of you guys...... uh, well.....
>>7993390So is that pic from a comic or is it just an illustration they made?
>>7993390Your art and question do not really have anything to do with manga or comic making.
>>7993399>>7993403Sorry, I was another anon chiming in, not the one you guys were talking to. Don't want there to be any confusion.
Was stuck on how to advance the plot due to deviations from my original plan but inspiration struck me like a truck so Chapter 5 is finally in production. Would love any feedback on what I have so far if anyone has the time to read it all (about 95 pages or so)https://thefoolsjourney.thecomicseries.com/
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>>7993734So what part of these textures were done by hand?
/mmg/ anons as a group sure work hard to make cute and attractive women.
>>7993787Cute and attractive women sellI know this and I'm not even into cute and attractive women. I'm concerned with cute and attractive MEN
>>7993807I'll bite - show me the cute and attractive men you've drawn.
>>7993825They're not DONE YETI've been putting focus elsewhere while I'm feeding my flame
>>7993850You have no earlier drawings anywhere? Like, at all? At ALL?
>>7993852None I want to show.I'll come back tomorrow...
How do you learn composition skill?Is it just a pure talent/creativity/taste that cannot be taught?
manga brushes for CSP?
>>7993878By doing it.
>>7993903The defaults are fine. Tweak them to your liking.
>>7993878You need>A) To know what MAKES a good compositionand>B) To have an internal rolodex of good compositions you can draw fromThe rules of good composition are easy to learn and intuitive - "important stuff should be big and close to the middle," "rough and scary stuff uses sharp, angular hsapes, while soft and welcoming stuff tends to use naturalistic shapes," "conservation of detail", "rule of thirds," so on and so on. From there you need inspiration on how to make a cool interesting image, and you learn that by looking at a lot of cool interesting images and leafing through them when you make something, and then going "Ah! that's a good idea, I could use that, cos in this page I wanna do X Y Z, and here we see this page doing something similar. However, Z isn't totally solved, so I'll modify it a bit by adding W."
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>>7993914Would left, as an asideBut I assume this isn't that type of work
>>7993918he fucks women
>>7993775Womeme when they get everything they could ever want
>>7993786True mangaka use backgrounds, textures and special effects downloaded off the CSP store
>>7993927Duh, I just wanna knowI thought the japanese ripple pattern around the chest was a brush at first, but it looks pretty organic on a closer look.
>>7993787we're feminists
100 pages into this which is cool. probably not a good idea to make my opening 110 pages long, but whatever, its practise
>>7993786100%, I understand now that I could've done it a smarter way
if i compare comics and games at itch.io, comics are way less popular, desu
>>7994050Ok
>>7994053look it up yourself, if you don't believe me
>>7994050I didn't even know itch.io had comics. I thought it was only games. I imagine many people probably thought the same.
>>7994050....... people routinely try to put comics on itch.io? Every time I hear that site mentioned, it's always been just to play indie games.
>>7994065It's less belief, more that I don't see why it matters. I only knew itchio for vidya, I imagine most people do which is comics there are less popular. Also, you know, video games in general are more popular.
cartoons
>>7994109The rare and oft-ignored frontrooms
>>7993975>>7993982I like how this is coming along, anonYou've improvedI'm definitely seeing a Jojo influence I didn't see before
screentone or no screentone which one do you guys like best?
>>7994265No screentoneWhy carefully apply all those lines to hide under dots?
>>7994265With screentone is the composition better. But you wasted all the work by painting the fine lines.
>>7994265I think it looks better with the screen tones. I also don't agree with the other guys, mangaka put a bunch of detail into things and then put a tone on them all the time. The only thing I would say is I think the veil part should be a different one from the hair, because it feels like it loses a little depth being the same color as her hair.
>>7994265without screentones
>>7994265I can see an argument made for both. The real question is, what is the girl's hair color? Is it that important for the audience to know that her hair is darker? If so, you could try to either lighten up the screentone via opacity or applying less of it?
What is the optimal release schedule frequency?Like, how many pages, and how frequently?
>>7994573I mean for the purposes of maximum viewer interest. How hard it is to actually draw enough pages is another matter.
>>7994573>>7994574Assuming you mean just online, ideally, as often as possible. For long-running stories with kind of more in-depth narratives you want to keep people hooked. For a long time, many comics just updated 1-3 times a week, but it isn't the early 2000s anymore, where you were maybe competing with a couple dozen other comics. Now there are thousands upon thousands of comics out there, never mind all the other countless distractions that will quickly draw people away. A couple pages a week might be the only rate your workload allows, but again, if it is a more involved narrative, you might risk losing people by drip-feeding them little drops here and there. On the other hand, if you want to wait and batch-dump like a whole chapter, it might take months to get that much done, and people might drift away waiting around for the next dump.Might be best to just batch-dump something like 5-10 pages every few weeks or something like that. Like, enough to be compelling to draw people back, but spaced out enough so they don't feel like they have to wait until the seasons change to get another update.
>>7994392>what is the girl's hair color?I guess it's gonna be blonde because I have no time to color the screentones in
One of my biggest problems with comics is the scale. If a have a 2 panels of the same character on the same page, i never know how to draw and to render them in different zoom levels. Should i use the same line thikness, or vary them, should i ad more details if its a close up? But if i do change the line thickness and the amount of details, my style gets inconsistent.
>>7994894I've thought about this also.From a technical approach, most manga is drawn traditionally using a nib, this limits the size of the lines to a certain range.But beyond that there is the need for legibility. I've made this collage of deathnote, Light Yagami often has the same expression so it's easy to find similiar examples at different scales. None of these drawings have been made bigger or smaller, these are all to scale of the page on the left here.It's a bit blurry unfortunately, but you should be able to see somewhat how the faces have been drawn at each scale.
>>7994898This is a slightly different collage I made a while back but shows alot of the same things.This one was focussed on how to draw characters when they are small on the page, either in the background or stuff like that. Again all the drawings are to the scale of the page on the right here. They have not been resized.
>>7994900Also consider the scale it's going to be read at, and ask yourself the simple question of "is this big enough?"Whether it's in a book or whatever size, or on a computer screen, or on a phone, put your comic at that scale and judge it by its legibility. You should be able to immediately understand what's going on in any panel no matter how small. If you have to squint to figure it out, it's too small. (Please pay no attention to the specific choice of comics depicted in pic related. I know that western comics on the left are not this small, that they are normally printed in a larger format, it simply served as an easy example of what drawing too small for a tankobon size would look like)
>>7994898>>7994900>>7994908can i... see your comic?
>>7994898>>7994900>>7994908Thx, anon, thats helpful. All this feels a lot more natural when drawing on paper. For me its mostly a problem when working digital.In the example of Death Note the style changes. Close ups are much more detailed. Compared to the middle-sized frames. There would be enough space for more detail in the eyes, but they are simplified. I think i need to lock 3 styles of rendering in my head, small, middle and close up. I think the sizes in-between that are hard for me. I think i try to invent new styles for any zoom level instead of forcing it, to one of the 3.
>>7994913I've posted my comic here before but I hesitate to attach my name to these sorts of posts because I don't know if they are well received or not.
>>7994836"surely a desire exists more worthy than(of) my favour than...""heal they woudns(wounds)"hopefully you caught these in time.
>>7993852>>7993853Okay I lied, but TOMORROW
>>7995517oh my God thank you so much for spellchecking me anon, I swear I always make these stupid mistakes because of that font, I feel like everything I type looks weird
>>7985369REMINDER TO ALL YOU FUCKS WHO HAVE A FUCKING DREAM OF MAKING IT TO SUBMIT YOUR SHIT TO THE KODANSHA MANGA ACADEMY AWARD>manga-academy.kodansha.com/award/mangaka-discovery/EVEN IF YOU ARE ONE OF THOSE BLACKPILLED FUCKS WHO KNOWS YOU AINT WINNIN NO GRAND PRIZE THERES STILL 100 SLOTS AVAILABLE TO LOSERS TO GET REAL FEEDBACK THAT ISNT JUST FROM STUPID FUCKING CRABS ON /ic/ SO APPLYASSUMING YOU READ THIS IN THE MORNING YOU GOTTA FUCKING DAY TO GET YOUR FILES SORTED TO SUBMIT
>>7995566I have no finished manga on hand, though.Maybe next time.
Is there a hack that Koreans do for getting webtoon illustrations out so quickly? A chapter is like the length of 4-5 manga chapters and they release like almost the same schedule.
>>7995566I only care to work on my ongoing series, something that they obviously would not be interested in. So no submission for me unfortunately but it's ok.>>7995618>hack that Koreans do for getting webtoon illustrations out so quicklyIt's called 16 hour days working in groups of 4-6 worst koreans while you shit out everything as fast as you can from a 3d model. All of that stress, all of that work, just so that a salaryman or woman can read it when bored while they take a work day poo. It's fucking hell.
>>7995711Dude you CAN just submit a chapters worth of pages that can stand on its own as its own submission. Like the limit is 55 -60 pages bro thats enough to thats like 2 chapters worth thaeres bound a more standalone arc in your story
>>7995883>We primarily seek complete, stand-alone stories. >That said, submissions of the first chapter of a series are also accepted>my first chapter is also my shittiest art and shittiest plotLike I said, I'm good lol, but thanks for trying with me nevertheless. My hope is that somebody else from /mmg/ at least is able to make it to the editorial review round.
>>7995905Okay Im not gonna convince you here, but for the sake of someone else in the thread reading this, YOU CAN JUST SUBMIT SOMETHING FROM AN EXISTING STORYI aint pulling that from my ass, I got that from while researching and hearing from people who submitted and talked to editorshttps://youtu.be/OLuD9o15rcA?si=2RBk_ospGtBRKH4sHer and others talked about submission for already existing stories and the girl in my vid specifically mentioned how she was working on a chapter about how on of their main characters is a doctor and might have poisoned someone and how they deal with that and one of the editors said "Hey when you finish try submitting that to the contest" So if this fucker is gonna submit a chapter in her story then by all fucking means why not (You) reading this post right now. Like you left out a key part in your quote there anon>as long as the chapter can be read and enjoyed independently. They arent gonna know that your chapter 1 is Chapter 500 where shit starts getting cool bro. Its like how in the original Star Wars how they originally had this whole section of introducing who Luke Skywalker was only to cut ahead to the robot slave ship and getting the new bots.(You) can do that for this contest
>>7994694Nta and you're right that consistent output is key, but rather than entire pages something that also works is just updates in general, like a partial WIP of a panel or some asinine opinion you feel like posting or a life update or a gaming stream. Not defending it, it's just the meta.
>>7995566I was actually going to submit something but it's asking for B5 when all of my pages are B4
>>7996075>all of my pages are B4All of your pages are before what, anon? :^)
>>7996075Jesus you guys you gotta stop being so anal with these rules man. The site lists an APPROXIMATE size to work with its not a harsh guideline. Like in the same page it also says that you can have a maximum size of 30,000 pixels on any single side. Like in a hypothetical scenario where an editor finds your work interesting out of the whole lot but sees that your page size is slightly off Im sure they would just make it a comment for you to consider not a complete disqualification
>>7985369https://medibang.com/contest/kyoto-manga2026/I found another contest
>>7995566>Make sure to include the page number on each page.Does that mean they want us to actually write the page number on each page?
>>7996140Yeah probably. I personally ignored that step and just gave em a PDF of my story for reading reference so they dont get confused about page order. Adding those numbers is a pain in the ass plus I know my shit getting a grand prize is a long shot anyway. Im just aiming for editor feedback anyway so losing a point and not getting my pwecious wescious CSP EX(Pro works just fine) still makes it worth submitting in my opinion.
>>7987372Yeah that would be the reason for https://fantasyjank.cfw.me/ which is now completed for what it meant to be. Japanese translation any year now.
>>7995566>make sure to include the page number on each pageoopsthe filenames are numbered
>>7995711of course MY manga about big fat titty bitches getting raped can only be appreciated while drinking a nice cup of tea with leaves brewed for 16 hours, you also need to be in a mountain house during fall (THIS IS IMPORTANT YOU CAN ONLY DO IT DURING FALL) and you cannot jerk it while reading it, I don't want your jizz to ruin the sacred manuscript as I don't make copies, did I mention I started drawing three days ago?
Guys, im developing the world for my manga. Its set in medieval Germany. Its fantasy, i don't want it be too historical, but i don't want influences from another fantasy work.Where can i find visual representation of historical wardrobe? Pinterest is very limited and overused.
>>7996813Google "german [stories/movies/shows/comics/books] set in [ye olden days]" and check out whatever shows up or "what was [german thing] like [in dinosaur times]"
>>7994151Meant to respond then, but thanks, I've been doing some studies to actually understand the jojo style more, so its good its rubbing off a bit, cause I think the part 7 style is amazing. I'm probably gonna have my characters have more "jojo" style clothing later as well.>>7996813I dont think most people care about accuracy, but more as long as it feels accurate so it doesnt have to be 100%. Probably, shows and movies set during then, and also medieval germany reenactors. You could use them somebodies cosplay at a reenactment as a base, and then add some flair too it
>>7995618Worse quality overall, 3D slop everywhere, and basic paneling in vertical comics make it easier and faster to storyboard. Just like professional manga authors have assistants, popular webtoons have studios/assistants as well. Also, they accumulate many chapters ahead of time during release, and hiatuses/long pauses/between seasons are oftentimes used for getting ahead again. They render slop line art with lots of color/rendering effects. And of course, probably what the other anon said, working like hell.>A chapter is like the length of 4-5 manga chapters and they release like almost the same schedule.Doubt that. Most of them have awful pacing, so it might feel like it, but they aren't that different from weekly manga chapters. And the "prepare a bunch of chapters ahead of time" helps here. You can see that once they are required to actually deliver a chapter from start to finish in the week, the size decreases. Many popular webtoons had issues with that, even leading to weirdly short chapters or forcing hiatuses midway.
>>7995618Like anon said, their panels are basic and it's one of the main reasons I immediately dropped vertical comics. It's like reading a visual novel where it's just a portrait and text and the occasional CG, only between each line of dialogue is a mile of white space for, and I can't stress this enough, LITERALLY no reason.
>>7995530Alright, done.These are far from finished designs, though.
>>7996967Pro tip: Make things easy for yourself. If you know something is going to be a pain in the ballsack to draw, change it.If you want to stick with the design knowing you'll hate drawing it, you have nobody to blame but yourself when it eats up your time and is the source of a whole lot of pain. It doesn't have to be that way.
>>7996967Can tell you are really into upper bodies
>>7996902>between each line of dialogue is a mile of white space for, and I can't stress this enough, LITERALLY no reasonThey probably do it so that it crudely simulates the delay in reading when switching between panels in a normal comic. That, or it's solely to pad out the read time of each chapter so that the reader feels like they spent more time on each chapter and that they don't realize each chapter is actually insanely short - kind of like empty/worthless calories from a junk food snack but in comic form.
Im obssessed in making extra pages between pages because I think the pacing was too rushed but I guess it cant be helped
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>>7997040Sometimes things need to slow down to catch their breath. Don't sweat it, anon.
>>7996902>>7997033They do it so they can fit more ads into each chapter, guys. Ads wedged between pages is part of Webtoons' business model.
>>7997008Oh, don't worry. Most of these designs will be sanded down; I always try to go with something bold on the first revision, then draw it a few times more, and inevitably bits get simplified or removed because By God I Am Not Drawing Ratt's Hair Spikes Multiple Times a Page. It's better to start really striking and work down to something practical but still striking, than to start with something that's guaranteed to be practical, but likely to be boring, right?>>7997021They just fit together so perfectly, and they're so pretty!I've studied them from the inside out - literally - and I can say that God did an excellent job. I'd like to have a word with Him regarding feet though.
make a new thread already, I wanna post my comic
New bread>>7997149
