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>>7976862MOOOODS!
>>7976862man this is some gay shit, whats with grown men and femboys
>>7976872That's a girl.
>>7976889That doesn't make any narrative sense
>>7976917That's Helen of Troy being taken by Theseus, you brutal ignoramus.
>>7976920Then why is "she" white, retard?
>Think painting looks ok >realize a while later it actually sucks and is a mess when it comes to values, proportions, colour etc.
>>7976862
>>7976921Don't ask me, I'm not a kucked zoom zoom, I went to see TROY to the fucking movie theater in 2004.
What is a good way to clean an older painting to give it another pass? Solvents are too aggressive, but anything with water sounds wrong as well.
>>7976927>I learned about greeks from a jewish stage play featuring anglos
>>7976923instead of """"thinking"""" you should stop imagining to be better than the masters who developed sketches, studies, comps etc before trying to tackle the actual painting and do the work
>>7976933Those are not greeks, those are jeets. Fuck off.
can't wait for this to hit 200 posts with like 10 paintings posted kekw
>>7977037I don't do /trad.
>>7976945Then why do they draw themselves exactly like that huh?
Never used this general before. What are the rules? Drawings with /trad/ tools?
>>7977119>Drawings with /trad/ tools?Nice to have, but not necessary.Knowing the theory is more important.
>>7976928What exactly is your intention with the cleaning? Why does it need cleaning?And what paint medium are you using?
>>7977131Oil, i want to give it another pass.
bought two large sheets of watercolor paper, and both of them had broken sizing, you know its broken because once you stretch it, the paper didnt absorb the water and there are blotches and wet spots everywhere. Cant return it to the store either because i already cut them down into pieces so i have this stacks of unusable watercolor papers around and... i'm so pissed right now. the worst thing about this broken sizing is that you cant even test them out. If you touch the paper it'll feel the same like any other normal watercolor paper - it'll leave a slightly sticky residue in your fingertips like any other normal watercolor paper, lay a first wash of your color in their unstretched surface and it'll also look normal, it'll buckle but its normal, and lay a second or another wash and you'll learn that your sizing is broken and the paper is essentially defect. You can 'fix' it by fully submerge the paper for 15 minutes and break the crystallized sizing down, but it'll strip your paper down to only cotton and its going to get ugly if you try to paint on it.Should have get myself a block next time. Its worse in quality than sheets and prone to buckle, but hell atleast its 'protected' from reckless storekeeper because it comes in stacks - on top of each other
>>7976889not to me
>that retard in the previous thread attempting to defend studentslop abomanaćion creatura mutt paint mixtures that have five different shit dubiously lightfast pigments and are packed with fillers when pure pigment oils are readily available from old holland / blockx / willamsburg / rublev et al. and not even that expensive if you don’t spend all your money on weedfuck off and die retarded faggot.
>>7977119you have to be a retard faggot willing to dispute even the most banal common knowledge in online painting discussions which is why there is now some braindead faggot claiming>student grade paints are actually good because naples yellow and also they are le cheaper which leaves me with more money to spend on le vidya and weed in moms basement>>7977147you shouldn’t need to clean anything unless your shit stains got on the painting somehow. you want to “oil out” the painting, preferably with whatever oil you’ve used as a medium (or whatever is in the paints you’ve been using, probably linseed)assuming the paint film has actually cured, take some oil and rub it on the painting gently (easiest way is just using the palm of your hand) and in a couple minutes wipe away the excess with a paper towel or ragif you want to understand why this is important ask chatgpt because i’m too lazy to type it and some fag is probably going to show up and argue that you should clean the surface of your painting using nigger semen, so i’d prefer to give xem less material for xer to “debunk”
>>7977266You can still use it for gouache, drawing etc. Also no, the first wash won’t go down normal on bad sizing, are you sure you didn’t soak it for too long or use running water? Sheets come in stacks too, btw, sizing has a shelf life of like 6 months depending on humidity. You can always try tub sizing the paper
>>7975106I've just started painting in oils. Bought Schmincke Norma paints but I am finding them much too wet or thin or slippery or whatever the right painting term is. I am thinking of buying different ones that are thicker from a different brand. Any suggestions for oils paints that have a nice consistency or anyone know of any sites that rank and describe different brands of oil paints, perhaps? My local art store has a pretty wide selection of brands (Old Holland, Rembrandt, Sennelier, Schmincke Akademie, Windsor Newton, Williamsburg, Daler Rowney) but there doesn't seem to be something like an ingredients list on the tubes that will tell me the ratio of pigment to oil?
>>7977690>but there doesn't seem to be something like an ingredients list on the tubes that will tell me the ratio of pigment to oil?No.Brands are known for their consistency, not sure where you can look it up.At the same time pigment load and consistency has no corelation in this days.You can make a paint very thick without putting a lot of pigment into it.German paint are totaly overpriced.Norma is student grade and its quite thin. But at the same time it has a lot of filler. I find them nearly unusable. You can put it on a price of tissue or paper for a time, it will pull excessive oil, improves the consistency a little bit.Mussini is very smooth as well, not an impassto paint, but has a high pigment load (still very overpriced)Old Holland and Williamsburg are impasto brands, with decent amount of pigment.Rembrandt, WN are soft with less pigment, both are more or less like Norma.
Applying for a painting MFA, and I'm really stuck on creating a cohesive body of work. I have the technical skill, but how do you start from a thesis and create work around it? It seems like schools really want to see an exploration of an idea versus good draftsmanship.
>>7977699thanks, man, I'll try Old Holland or Williamsburg.Does the tissue-trick come with a risk of the color fading or becoming matte, sinking in?
>>7977810>risk of the color fadingThat happens only with titanium as far as i know.>or becoming matte, sinking in?Thats a very broad question. Norma contains a lot of excessive oil, much more than what would be the optimum amount of oil. I forgot the name, each pigment has a coefficient of how much oil it can bind. If you put only that amount of oil into your paint will get underbound even if the ground is ever so slightly porous...It is really complicated. I told you in the last thread, look it up at Just Paint its complicated.As they are Norma paints are barely unusable, too much oil, they take forever to dry.The only good German oil paint is Mussini. I buy them because i like the soft consistency.But if you dont mind stiffer paint, the 2 European brands to go are M Harding and OH (some small manufacturers can be good too of course). I Like MH more, they are a little bit softer.P.S, i havent bought paint in a while now, i dont know if the quality dropped or not. Considering the high inflation new batches can be lower quality.
>>7976889nah you are
>>7977551just got home and wet another sheet of paper, and here, see for yourself anon. This is what broken sizing looks like; those blotches/spots are crystallized sizing, you can break them down by submerging the paper for 10-15 minutes but doing so will strip away the sizing and make the paper useless for watercolor. >use gouacheGood idea but sadly i dont have gouache or use gouache medium.
>>7978198and this is how it looks like on surface, without backlight transparency
got a gift card to an art store so i splurged on holbein gouache and now i have no idea what to do with them because im not a good painter and have no idea what im doing
>>7976862Trash painting btwPerspective chads represent
>>7977829thanks for replying, this has been very helpful.Hopefully soon I can start to post actual works on here instead of oil paint queries.thanks again.
>>7978371you mean their acryla gouache? it's good stuff. just paint dude
>>7978371Gouache is very specific, nothing for casual painting, really. Bought some holbeins as well, many years ago. Still not even half empty. Oils are much more easy and satisfying.>>7978389>Trash painting btwWhat don't you like about it?
>>7978908>just paint dude>>7978919>nothing for casual paintinggetting mixed messages but im going to just paint with it and its the artists gouache not the arcylic one
>>7977829>Considering the high inflation new batches can be lower quality.Is there any aspect of our world that is not in decline?
>>7978957i would have said brown birthrates but even those are declining nowmaybe israel's landmass is the only thing not in declinenumber of porn addicted gooners is also not declining
>>7978919Gouache is the easiest paint you could possibly use wtf are you talking about. Its just watercolor with opaque white.
>>7978919It’s as flat as a Chinese bitch largelyOn second thought, there is foreshortening of the stairs but the background is flat so to my eye it just cancels out the illusion of depth, whatever little there may be.Plus the picture frame is placed at a very awkward angle, there’s a sense of seeing too little, and seeing awkwardly what we *do* see.
>>7978957>Is there any aspect of our world that is not in decline?Is that an antisemitic dog whistle, Chud?
>>7978941>getting mixed messagesIts very hard to control the values. Its easy to get something with colorful, but be somewhat precise with it, is nearly impossible. 85% of the time i use gouache, i try to adjust the values.Well maybe it is for casual painting, where no control and precision are required.
>>7978957>Is there any aspect of our world that is not in decline?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olWeLWPZi6E
you fags REALLY hate painting, huh
>>7979114Yeah, that's fair.>>7979602Pyw
Testing. I tried not to be so precise with the shadows to see how it would look.
>5 days>ZERO paintingsAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>7979972Here's a small painting I did from a model.
Any opinions on:Odd Nerdrums workshopFlorence academy of artCharles H. Cecil StudiosHave any of you been there?
>>7980199lollmaoreminder to ask for the work of anyone who implies insight
>>7980199>Odd Nerdrums workshopPostmodern brown garbage and you have too suck a stinky old dick to live in the commune.>Florence academy of art>Charles H. Cecil StudiosDead soulless revival of French Academism. Postmodern in nature, garbage.Counter-question, what do you think of Bolshevism? Why dont you meme yourself into Socialist Realism, i think that's the future, honestly.
>>Odd Nerdrums workshop>Postmodern brown garbage and you have too suck a stinky old dick to live in the commune.>>Florence academy of art>>Charles H. Cecil Studios>Dead soulless revival of French Academism. Postmodern in nature, garbage.>Counter-question, what do you think of Bolshevism? Why dont you meme yourself into Socialist Realism, i think that's the future, honestly.
>>7980214Based retard reposting the same picture, to boost the thread stats. Very Bolshevik in nature.
>>7980217Not my fault you haven't painted anything since out of shame
>>7980206>what do you think of Bolshevism?wholesome and based>(Stalin), fuck (((lenin-trosky))) (((brit))) (((agents))).
>>7980199GCA and it's circle has the best draftsmanship available in relation to realism.Angel Academy of Art did at one point have the best painting course but since Michael John Angel left because he liked AI so IDK how it's going now. That's it. You can check out the rest as you please. Sculpture you can learn literally anywhere.
>>7980214Can you please stop posting this shitty doodle? Thanks,Anon
>>7980343Sorry, have the finished work
>>7980199I did a course in the swedish branch of FAA, it was nice and the teachers were helpful, the Thursday evening lectures were great. It's a smaller scale with more scandinavians which creates a particular atmosphere.Not sure if the full course is worth the effort but if you like french academic work you can learn a thing or two there.
>six days>ONE painting OH NONONONO
>>7980580Come on lad, you're not helping either!
havent you been practicing painting for years??
>>7980707I personally caused 100% of the painting posts ITT, show some respect
Just started studying anatomy, I shouldn't have chosen this pose as a beginner but I really like it and realistically I know I'm not going to practice if I don't do something I enjoy. Dw all my other poses are standing front or back poses with less complex movement.This is still a wip, about 3 hours in. Initial sketch was in graphite then went over things in charcoal (willow and charcoal pencil). I'm trying to get better control of charcoal, I like the tones it produces but as a beginner I tend to take and add to the point of eating away at the paper. Trying to stop that habit before it progresses.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vrrs77LDoG4
>>7980918learn to paint, you permameme
>>7980801Proportions are a little off on the left side especially. for weird closed off poses like this you should pay attention to the negative space and try to see the flat shape(s) that make up the body, Betty Edwards style.
>>7980984Wrong.
>>7981064which part do you disagree with? that the proportions are off or that one should check negative space to judge proportions?
any crits for this? Anything in particular I should focus on or be mindful of with the next painting?I particularly struggled with her left eye which still looks alien to the rest of the face, I think, though I don't know how to fix it, and the cheek+cheekbone where the brush strokes look kind of unpleasing to me.Would love to hear some thoughts from outside my own head, though.
>>7981802Nice work anon, I'm not a painter so take my crit with a grain of salt. The face looks to be quite white but then on the right cheek the color is flat, curious how you approached painting the skin tone? Maybe another anon can help more.For my part, here's a charcoal drawing I did to test out some new paper.
>>7981802What are your goals?It's not bad at all, as your values are decent enough. Your biggest problem is, you're painting a head not just the face.You need more control over your edges and more experience to know where to put which kind of edge.And as the anon above said, there is too much uncut white.
>>7982421>curious how you approached painting the skin tone?I'm not sure I had much of a plan beyond just repeatedly putting up a patch of color of the right shape and size and color compared to the ones surrounding it. I like paintings with visible brushstrokes so I tried not to blend on the canvas at all, but maybe I should be canvas-blending for something like the cheek where the transitions are very subtle and very soft. Or maybe I should just use a smaller brush and put down smaller, more fine grained patches of color for those areas. Not sure.>>7982453>What are your goals?I just started painting, so, like you pointed out, the main short term goal is just to get more mileage and experience so that I (hopefully) develop a better sense of edges and brushwork and all that kind of basic painting stuff, which I still don't have a great intuition for.I like someone like Krøyer a lot, so I guess a slightly longer term goal is to get better at imitating that kind of realism and hopefully at some point along the way I'll develop a more distinct, personal style as well.Thanks for the critique, I've noted about the uncut white and the edges. To help me out, could you point to some edges in the thing I posted above that are not very good? And maybe some examples of edges that do work, if there are any?Pic related is what I'll paint next.
>>7982659Edges is a question of style, every brush stroke can be right or wrong, depending on the other brushstrokes around it.Those are edges i dont like, rather too sharp or bad quality of edge.
Overall you need to start thinking like a painter. You aren't drawing, you aren't making illustrations.You have to observe the nature more.Hair, eyelashes, eyebrows are never just drawn with an outline, there is always a lot of mixing going on the edges. White skin, dark eyebrow = the edges are blueish.Dark, muddy, flat shadows is not painting eighter, there is always reflective light in every shadow, which shifts colors. Even if you can't see it on a photo, assume its still there.Photographic crops like that are bad practice as well, you would not crop a painting like that, when painting from life. Look at masters paintngs for good portrait compositions, not photography.
>Overall you need to start thinking like a painter. You aren't drawing, you aren't making illustrations.>You have to observe the nature more.>Hair, eyelashes, eyebrows are never just drawn with an outline, there is always a lot of mixing going on the edges. White skin, dark eyebrow = the edges are blueish.>Dark, muddy, flat shadows is not painting eighter, there is always reflective light in every shadow, which shifts colors. Even if you can't see it on a photo, assume its still there.>Photographic crops like that are bad practice as well, you would not crop a painting like that, when painting from life. Look at masters paintngs for good portrait compositions, not photography.
>>7983057That's an illustration.
>That's an illustration.
>>7980423What kind of lectures did they give?
>>7983412About anything really, history of art movements, some philosophy, I remember a lecture about chinese landscape painting, about animals and their portrayal in art, and even very practical things about pigments in relation to health and safety when painting which was also very interesting.Everything was very in depth and engaging, even sometimes I thought a subject wasn't for me.
>>7983425so not painting?
>>7983057>If you don't paint in the exact same style as I want then you are not painting!!
Haven't drawing anything serious since I was 17, now 23. Pic related was the last study I've done. I kind of want to go back to drawing but make etchings on metal plates instead of cross hatchings (this was made in photoshop but I tried making it closer to that aesthetic as I could) but I'm getting filtered by basic pen and ink hatchings.
Self portrait
>>7981802I think her eyeliner on the foreground eye is way too black and distracting/flat
>>7983464What do you mean?
>>7983641nice. reminds me of some old stanley donwood prints that I really like
>>7983994
>>7983054>>7983056thank you very much for this. I will try to soften my edges more, in general.>>7983802thanks, I think you're right.
been using colored pencils after getting frustrated with painting and I'm liking them way more
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>>7983994>>7983995That second image looks really nice, I tried making a similar contour less landscape but I failed at differentiating the trees from the mountain and gave up. I think this type of shading would work really well on muscles but I have zero knowledge of anatomy
>>7984077yes there is something very pleasing and "light" about the hatching and contourlessnes.I hope you explore futher.
>got bored of black monochrome studies>decide to try indian yellow instead because the masstone seemed basically indistinguishable from burnt sienna>two layers in>eyes literally burningjust having this in my peripheral vision is making me squint reflexively, I don't even think I can use the rest of the paper without covering the paint up
>>7984289picrel, barely even looks yellow
>>7984296Yeah Indian yellow is very transparent, same happens with it's oil paint counterpart, comes out of the tube dark and brownish but lights up on the canvas. Very useful for glazing.
>>7978389the perspective is correct you just dont know shityou aimt representing shit
>>7979707>>7979114its not fair dont enable that fucking retard
>>7979707>>7979114based, enable that fucking retard
Oil is impossible compared to acrylic one tiny mistake and you get locked out for 3 days from fixing it
>>7986575just wipe it off, retard
>>7986575>one tiny mistake and you get locked out for 3 days from fixing itHolly mother of retardation. >>7986584That's very excessive, shouldn't be necessary in most cases.
>>7986615THEN WHAT THE FUCK IS THE SOLUTION
>>7986575Oil is actually easier since you have so much time to blend colors and create really smooth gradients. It's just annoying to work with.
Started this. Trying to become a professional artist :D any tips before it goes to complete shit. Can I work with acrylic and oil at the same time or is that just for acrylic base say I put one layer of acrylic on top of the oil once it dries. But anyhow any tips on the painting itself before it goes to shit.
>>7986668You can use however much acrylic you like before using an oil layee. Once you did that though you can not go back. Be mindful that we don't know yet how stable of a support plasticbased shit is because acrylic hasn't been around long enough. If you don't care about your work outliving you then go nuts.
>>7986833Never cuck to collectors, painting with random garbage keeps the industry alive, employs restorers, makes paint makers seethe and often just plain looks better u til someone figures out you cucked them
>>7986638As kids this day's say, you can always unalive yourself.>>7986668You are dragging the paint over a dry canvas, i feel the frustration just from looking at it.You haven't even mastered the basics. Use gesso, use an underpainting, or a dried imprimatura, or a fresh imprimatura, something that let you apply your paint properly.
You guys ever feel like you enjoy manhandling paint more than the actual "painting" painting?
>>7987904why are you like this
>>7987921Like what?
>>7983774Looks like a police sketch for the local serial rapist, great job!
>>7988237That's what he wants, to be seen as speshial and edgy.
>>7988237You got me >>7988291Oh, please. That’s just how I see myself
is it normal to get headaches when painting with oils? I paint in my bedroom (my only room) but with windows open and air running through it 24/7. Once I'm done I move everything painting related out of the room. The headaches don't show up during or immediately after sessions either, it's always the next morning when I wake up. Yesterday I painted with just the paints, i.e. no thinner or anything, and this morning, I have a headache still.
>>7988361>is it normal to get headaches when painting with oils? No. Linseed oil, wall nut oil, safflower oil, sunflower oil... its all food. (you can paint with most food grade products (if no oxidants), you shouldn't eat artist grade oil though).Pigments used in oil are very chemical inert in nature, when bound in oil, the produce no fumes.Maybe you are hypersensitive to thinner and your oil paint brand has a little amount of thinner in the tube, but most likely your symphtoms psychosomatic.>>7987935>>7987904Your technique is limitted to copying old photos, little Hans, find yourself a homosexual nazi sugar-daddy (of which are plenty) and draw from life.
>>7988365>but most likely your symphtoms psychosomaticI doubt they are, but I guess the headaches could be unrelated to the oil paints.
>>7988365Hans is a pencil chad, if anyone is a homosexual it's going to be the painter 100%.
>>7988365>>7988372>hansit's some literal gay brown twink, going by his homoerotic self portraits, probably south american, going by posting times
>>7987904>>7987935big fan of your work.how much would you charge for a picture ?what about a set consiting of a few guys like joseph, herman, reinhardt, rudolph etc.
>>7988396Nice try, Herr Mueller.
>>7988392>>7988393>>7988394He has the looks, the talent, and the fame. What can't this man do?
>>7988398get a boyfriend to satisfy him
>>7988402>He doesn't have gay sex so he can learn first hand life drawing experience with the male anatomy.Enjoy being a beg for the rest of your life then, dumbass.
>>7988365I don't draw from life because Heinrich Himmler is dead.>>7988392South is correct but I'm south german>>7988396I used to do portraits of other historical figures for 10€ each just for fun. I don't do that anymore because I don't need any money. Also, thanks man.>>7988398Thanks for glazing. >>7988402This is true. A "boyfriend" could never satisfy me. Only world conquer would satisfy me in this material lifetime. Cheers anons.
>>7988565>I don't draw from life because Heinrich Himmler is dead.Macht dich denkend.
>>7988565You look nordic as fuck. Prussian German ancestry, I can tell.
>>7988571Ja, ist tatsächlich ein Thema das mich nachdenklich macht.Ich weiß dass ich mich in meine Kunst limitiere, und meine Zeichnungen nicht viel wert haben. Ich trage der Welt nichts Neues bei. Kennt ihr den Mythos des Porträts? Haben wir Mal in der Schule gemacht. In dem Mythos rizt die Tochter eines Schmieds (?) ein Porträt ihres Liebhabers in die Wand um sich an ihn zu erinnern bevor er sie verlässt. Ich erinner mich nicht mehr gut an die Geschichte aber das ist das Grundlegende... ein Porträt hat oft nur für den Zeichner oder für die Person die das Porträt beauftragt hat einen Nutzen. Dieser Nutzen ist Erinnerung, Sentimentalität, Wertschätzung einer Person. Natürlich gibt es auch Porträts die einen wichtigeren Mehrwert in der Kunstgeschichte haben, aber ich finde für meinen Fall diese Idee ganz passend. Ich zeichne einfach weil ich mich mit den Zügen einer Person beschäftigen will. Das hat für niemanden einen großen Zweck außer für mich. Ich mach auch andere Zeichnungen, tatsächlich auch Zeichnungen die komplett aus meiner Vorstellung entstammt. Aber das ist für mich nur Unterhaltung und mir gefällt jede Zeichnung von H.H. 100-Mal besser, einfach weil es eine Zeichnung von ihm ist. Irgendwie witzig, weil die Kunst die nur aus meiner Vorstellung ensteht im Gegenzug für andere Leute etwas mehr Wert hat. Es ist also eine komplette Inversion von was mich erfüllt vs was andere Leute erfüllt.Sorry for ranting in german on here. I'm not sure if I should've rather responded to anon in English. Basically I'm saying that I know I'm limiting myself in my art and my drawings don't hold much value to other people, but I also don't think they need to as I'm more content studying one person over and over again for myself.
>>7988585>>7988585>In dem Mythos rizt die Tochter eines Schmieds Butades
>>7988585Verstaendlich.
>>7988615Thanks anon! I thought it was some nameless myth off our school worksheet
>>7988565>south germanyou’re brazilian dudeyou are a gook gobbled up golem in a DNA mutt flesh suita white germanic soul is too big to fit in your goyshell, your soul is much smaller. anyone who looks into your eyes sees this0% chance you incarnated as white, you are a totally different root race and from look of it, a completely confused creatura mutt with no identity or volkseelethe poor latinx mutt has become so confused about what it is that it is larping as a bigger soul type natsoc eurvopan. many such cases.
>>797686211x14in graphite, charcoal and colored pencil
>>7989017Brother, I can't change the fact I'm from south germany. I don't know what else to tell you. I think you should put more time into drawing... preferably a portrait of Heinrich Himmler
>>7989038Damn, I thought that was the actual meme until I looked at it closer, good stuff.
>>7989017This is the equivalent of a homeless guy trying to talk shit to a guy in a Ferrari(Hans). Like nigger, you're homeless...
>>7989017favela-anon mad af lol
>>7989107schizo/10
>>7989017based and truthnukemaxxed
>>7989116You get it
>>7988565Duuuude, you're a macaco beaner, what the fuck! LMFAO!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA!!!
>>7989197He cute and he can draw? That's every girl and gay man's dream boy right there.
>>7989221Himmlerfag, have you no shame at all?
>>7989225He can draw me like his french girls.
>>7988584>oil eyes>nordic
>>7988585ich bin 14 und das ist tief
>>7980199>>7980206I used to laugh at the Nerdrum thing, but I think I'm rapidly approaching a point where I'd kill for weird old guy letting me live in his commune with other painters serious enough to live in a weird old dude's house.Not even for a place to live, just access to people plying the same craft, painting on my own every day is incredibly isolating
>>7989877I think he is doing a good thing. They live together, some of them can paint, they paint from life.They are way to postmodern for my taste, i hate everything postmodern.
Any composition tips to give depth and to emphasize the girl It's supposed to be like castle far above the mountains
>>7989945VALUEALUE
>>7989945>It's supposed to be like castle far above the mountainsIts 500 meters at best.For depth you need to work on your perspective and colors.Do you have a proper drawing for this piece? You will not be able to figure it out while painting.
>>7989956I was thinking and starting to do that but I didn't really wanna use too many dark tones on this one. Maybe i can go very light on the front though. Otherwise I guess that leaves saturation tricks or maybe front area with more contrast.>>7989967I mean the girls castle is sipppsed to be like elevated in the mental picture I had, I didn't make drawing just drew on canvas. The perspective on castle on back seems messed up it's too big innit. Can still make it smaller not much detail I'm still in the acrylic planning stage. For working on perpextivr and value I need to copy from life a bit I'm guessing I like to make up shit personally but maybe I can do it digital to practice which is a bit faster.
>>7989945>composition tipsfunny, your painting lacks everything bar composition, which you're hyper fixated onresearch atmospheric perspectiveread james gurneys two books, in particular his book on painting imaginary scenesif you want to paint this scene with any kind of realism you should start making maquettes.
>>7990229>if you want to paint this scene with any kind of realism you should start making maquettesretard
>>7990229>why yes, I've read one book about a meme process nobody uses and am now taking it as gospel, how could you tell?
>>7990331kill yourself stupid cunta maquette with real lighting would instantly improve that autist's scribbleit's not the only method but it's a good method, rodin used maquettes, many people still doyou probably think that old masters like da vinci painted imaginary scenes "out of their head" and "by thinking about it really hard"pyw
>>7990418NTA but it sounds like your LARPing, have you ever made a maquette? Regurgitating some method you have only read in a book is kinda useless advice.
>>7990418nigga, rodin was a sculptor, the princess guy could unironically give him a run for his money in paintinglike why would you even bring that up, are you just parroting again?
>>7976862Let’s see what y’all are arguing about today lmao
>>7990435
>>7990422yes you fucking retard i have made maquettesto start i recommend ray bustos course on making an ecorche, it's useful practice for anatomy and making maquettes if you have neither like that dudei really fucking hate the retards in this thread sometimesit's so simple but you retards have so many dumb ideas in your skullsif you want to paint a realistic scene with realistic perspective, lighting and forms and the scene is imaginary, you have 3 options- hire actual models to pose for you (you can't do this, you're not even legally allowed near women)- use photographs or other 2d references (good starting point but not sufficient for a scene like the one that anon is trying to paint)- do what james gurney does in his book, which many old masters also relied on (though they typically used models at some point)there is no "fourth option" where you "paint it from your mind" because if you could do that, you would be world famous, you wouldn't be in this thread jerking off with the himmler spic and brian who can only paint blurry flat masses>but NOBODY uses maquettes!yeah because nobody is painting realistic detailed imaginary scenes, precisely because of how much work is involved.>b-b-but digital artists can photobash scenes together and anime artists can paint contours from memory!fuck off and die
>no worklarper mad
>>7990434i'm confusing him with poussin another french who used maquettes heavily, gurney cites him in his booktintoretto used them they weren't the norm because historically painters could afford models
>>7990443post your detailed imaginary scene painted out of your mind
>>7990445pyw lol
>>7990439no ones denies that it works in theory, we're asking if you've actually done it. post proof if you want us to believe you.
>>7990437
The favela guy is right, without proper reference you will not produce realistic art. Painting light out of your head, is way harder than drawing form, like Kim Jung Gi, which is already very hard.
>>7990460>painting light[larping intensifies]
>>7990460whyd he go quiet after we asked him to post his work
>>7990467He is shit, obviously.>>7990464Kill yourself.
>>7990460A maquette gives you virtually zero information about "painting light" because light isn't going to interact with it like the real thing, retard, it's all about the form. "Painting light" means painting the actual thing from life, just compare Gurney's plein air to this shit, the former is painting light.
>>7990472pyw
>>7990473The bigger the model, the more realistic light you get. Things like drapery should be full size. You need a deep understanding of plain air painting to tight everything together.Gurney's imaginative realism is illustration tier, not fine art tier. But being a good illustrator, is anyway more than realistically possible, for the guy with the castle.
>>7990474Post your death certificate.
>maquettes
>>7990480that's what I thought
it's extremely easy to prove me wrongon my team I have James gurney, one of the only people alive who has painted elaborate imaginary scenes in realist styleall you have to do is post your elaborate detailed imaginary scene that you painted out of your head like a genius
>he stopped pretending he wasn't samefagginglolpyw
>>7990504>it's extremely easy to prove me wrongYeah, by looking your wok
>>7990504Gurney sucks. If you want realization landscape painters, base your work on the Hudson River school. Cole, Gifford, Church, Heade, and Moran are the best to look at.
>>7990562It depends, i don't like his style so much, but he is pretty good at it. I have his book about color. He is leaning too much into golden age american illustration, for my taste, but quality is good.
>>7989877Hes getting really old now though. I cant get myself to care about his and his students narrative paintings, but I like some of the portraits and use of material. And of course that they paint from life.
>one of the only people alive who has painted elaborate imaginary scenes in realist stylegurney is an amazing painter but this is the most retarded thing ive read in ages>onlyyeah only one of millions of people walking the earth at this very moment you really should just shut the fuck up forever instead of being this retarded
>>7990780>gurney is an amazing painterHow is he amazing? Like what would that make the masters?Gurney is a pulp painter that happened to write a book so uncouth /beg/s latch onto him, even in the dinosaur niche, he's mogged by paleoart boomers of the last century. Saying he's "amazing" is like the 40k dweebs acting like Blanche is some great painter because he painted their preferred GI Joe dolls
>>7989945Just keep in mind that things far away are>lower contrast>generally lighter>less saturated >less sharpAs opposed to things closer up which are generally>higher contrast >more saturated >sharperAll this is usually called atmospheric perspective, another tool to suggest depth with color, values, and sharpness.
artistic nudity
>>7976862How am I doing as a beginner?By beginner, this is like my third one ever
>>7991394>>7991414Really neat. Nice strokes and gradation, but the overall perspective needs work. Generally the road doesn’t work that way in perspective
>>7991414I don't know what you are aiming for, it looks sloppy especially the truck, the brush strokes don't help there. There is very little that defines the truck except for the silhouette.The foreground is just an abstract shape with impatient brush strokes, not really sure what is going on here, is it the road leading into the truck? Makes me wonder why the truck is parked sideways on there. I guess it's thought provoking in that sense but the rough rendition of things just leaves me doubting if things are intentional or poorly executed.Can't say much about your colour choices because I am not sure if your painting is supposed to be dark or if the picture is just bad.Good job, paint more!
Does anyone know who this artist is?
>>7991517Looks like Frank Frazetta but I could be wrong
>>7991517reverse image search it dummy
>>7990780>millions of people walking the earth right now paint oil paints of intricate fantasy scenes on the level of gurneyyou might be the stupidest dunning kruger poster here>>7990562>landscape paintersretard
>>7991560yes retard, 30 mountains, two buildings and a figure is a landscape
>>7991562you retarded fuck actually trying to compare Hudson River school who worked on location to replicate existing scenes to painting an imaginary sceneit's literally called Hudson River because they depict the Hudson River valley an existing place they lived inplease stfu
>>7991566>no argument gurney is a shit tier choice for what anon is attempting, stay mad
>>7991568there's nothing to "argue" about you just need to be hit in the head with a brickgurney is actually painting detailed scenes from imagination like that dude's scenevery few people can do that or even tryyou are pointing him to painters painting Niagara Falls and other existing landscape featuresshow me fantasy work by the Hudson River schoolyou cannot be this retarded
>>7991570you're retarded lolpyw
>>7991573there's a reason none of those scenes have characters in the foreground dipshitplease tell me you think they painted those scenes "out of their head"that would be so fucking funny>just sit down and paint it browhat is the actual point of contention? that you don't like gurney's work? neither do I particularly like it, you retarded nigger. I recommended his book for the techniquesthe same techniques the Hudson River school used
>>7991576>none of those scenes have characters in the foreground...do you even know what foreground means holy shitlast reply, you're definitely a begtard
>>7991575this one sucks cock, gurney has done better piecesyou're proving my point
>>7991577last reply before you jump down a manhole
>>79915768 out of the 10 paintings have figures in the foreground, two of them have figures as literally the closest thing to the viewer in the entire image.
>>7991580they're all panoramas with tiny low detail figures none of whom take up more than 1-2% of the total viewplease just shut the fuck up
>>7991581You outed yourself as a retard, buddy, time to stop posting.https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Cole
>>7991575What an abomination is that? America is such a meme country, it's unreal.
>>7991585you still haven't explained what your actual point of contention isI recommended that anon read a book on how to paint imaginary scenes since that's what he wants to doyou recommend "the Hudson River school"what the fuck does that even mean? study their paintings closely?there's a much better historical group to look at which is the pre raphaelites. they absolutely shit down the throat of the painters you posted. but guess what, they all used models and other real life references... which was my entire point
>t-they painted existing features>s-show me their imaginary work>t-the figures aren't big enough (the massive fucking statue doesn't count btw)kek what is the larper even arguing now, that you can paint large scale structures and landscape without """maquettes"""", but not figures?lmao
>>7991590No really, just stop, this is embarrassing.
>no work
>>7991590Gurney pulls too much from fantasy and illustration.The other anon said it best. Pulpy and kitschy and tacky. Everybody praises his colors but theyre over saturated. No wonder he was friends with Thomas Kinkade.
>>7991610>Everybody praises his colors but theyre over saturated.High saturated colors is a style, they are way harder to harmonize, and Gurney is not perfect at it, but quite good.I have never seen his art irl, the saturation on the internet is often wrong. In his book Color and Light, his paintings look quite good.
>>7991614>way harder to harmonize(TL note: look like shit)
>armchair trad artist general
>>7991615Not if you succeed.
>>7991618pyw
>>7991625>>7991315
Why does everyone say I should not mix colors with pure white? How else am I supposed to create brighter tones? They say the white reduces the chroma in colors and makes them pastel, which may be right, but how else am I supposed to create bright colors?
>>7991640Thats true for painting in layers, for alla prima less so. Titan white is very opaque, it max mixes opaque as well. Thats not always a good thing...But overall its something you can think about, when you can paint already, nothing a noob needs to think about.P.S. I could even recommend a fully opaque palette to a noob, to reduce the complexity.P.P.S. Titanium is very hard to control, if it available to you, try out lead white.
>>7991635>cries about armchairs >draws a naked little girl reclining in a platonic cube
>>7991650sorry buddy but even a pedo beats a nodraw larper
>>7991651>amerimutt education yeah, that's not the message, jamal rodriguez
>>7991647I am not a noob you fucking retard. Painting is piss easy. You just have to know the process and have all the materials and that's it.
>>7991640>They say the white reduces the chroma in colors and makes them pastelThey're wrong, tints increase chroma before reducing it. If you plotted a tint on a color wheel, it would go towards the edge before diving centreward.
>>7991653>asks retarded noob question>cries about getting an answer for retarded noobspyw
So what is the best painting technique and why is it Sfumato/grisaille?
>>7991657never tried it but alla prima is da best
>I am not a noob you fucking retard. Painting is piss easy. You just have to know the process and have all the materials and that's it.
>>7991657enjoy ur brown
>>7991640>>7991653Is this bait? I can't tell
>>7991660>>7991655Painting with acrylics isn't the only way how to make trad art you fucking retards.I'm probably a better artist than you retards here because I have been drawing my whole life.
>>7991693pyw
>>7991694
>>7991695This is drawn from imagination btw, no references used>>7991694Now post your work if you are so much better
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA*wheeze*HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA
>>7991315>>7991695>I have been drawing my whole life>Painting is piss easyThis nigga serious?
>>7991705>>7991709>still didn't post their workThat pretty much says it all
>>7991718yeah, it says your work speaks for itself lol
>>7991695Looks great. What kind of paper is that?
>>7991718>Painting is piss easy>that's his workThat pretty much says it all
>>7991720True and it says that I'm better than you
>>7991725okay lol
>>7991721The kind of paper, that makes you art look awesome, asshole. You have no use for it.
larp
Can I just start painting even if I'm still permabeg with pencils? I just bought a watercolor set on a whim and it's really [spoiler]fun[/spoiler] but I'm worried I'm slowing down my progress if I start trying to learn colors and brush techniques
>>7991972That is a good question actually. I think watercolor shoudl be ok /that's what I started with too) since it's a pretty fast medium.But yea coloring can take a while and really slow down your progress. However if you enjoy it i se not problem with it
>>7991972>if I start trying to learn colors and brush techniquesQuite different aspects, they don't interfere too much.The biggest problem i can see, is that you get something that's awesome without having worked for it.As you said, painting is fun, even with zero skill. But if you can still do the work that's necessary, you will be fine.
>>7991972If you're painting landscapes, you basically need zero drawing and everything can naturally be learned through painting and is likely more productive if you enjoy painting over drawing. Learning figurative painting directly, skipping drawing, is theoretically feasible, but probably highly impractical.That said, drawing in an academic sense is really just cheaper monochromatic painting, if paint was cheaper than charcoal and graphite, nobody would tell you to draw before painting.
>>7991990Id love to see some of your landscapes and figurative painting please
>>7992034I'd love for you to stop seething.
>>7992036A big paragraph of absolute nonsense. Refuse to post work. Reply instantly. Nice
>>7992037A show about showing housewives how to paint landscapes ran for 400 episodes. Let me know how successful a figurative equivalent was.>Refuse to post work. Reply instantly. NiceRight back at you.
>>7992037what about it is nonsense?bob ross, bill alexander, jerry yarnell, nancy kominsky, gary jenkins all painted landscapes and not figures for a reason, good luck getting the average person to replicate something resembling a human figure just by watching you paint it
>>7991560untold millions of realistic fantasy and scifi paintings covering every book or movie poster made for a century but apparently only james gurney has cracked the medium
>"You can get away with murder in a landscape"
>>7991972if you like doing it you should keep doing it, its fun and rewarding if you keep at it
>>7992072The problem is by focusing on fun you're associating the internal reward of learning into something that isn't about improvement. It's gonna make you chase dopamine instead of accomplishment and you're gonna be unfocused and scattered. Learning a new skill isn't supposed to be fun and rewarding, that should come later when you've put in the work to deserve it.
>>7992217>that should come later when you've put in the work to deserve it.By that point you will be so sick and tired of it that you don't feel like doing it anymore no matter how good you are.
>>7992217just kill yourself
>>7992217pyw, retard
>point out there's no big figures in the works cited"yeah well there's a big statue"JFL at /trad/>>7992070yeah, last century you retardthose people are mostly dead or long retiredthere are tons of people who can do nice digital paintings but we both know that's just not the same as working traditionallyyou're favourite MTG card artist working in watercolors or whatever loves gurney btw.>>7992217we need to dig up KJG and tell him this
>>7991592you can paint anything without maquetteswhat you can't do is magically paint realism out of your mindthat's not how any old master workedyou cannot paint a Vermeer without some form of visual referencesorry, but if it was possible it would have happened by now
whoever makes next thread please use the pic of the LATAM himmler twink
>[meltie noises]
Drew an elf for a story I wrote. Oil pastels.
>>7992391i enjoy
>>7993084Thanks! What do you enjoy about it?
>>7991695>>7991718Based, the fact that you posted your work and the other pussies can only make passive aggressive remarks because they know they're a million times worse means the'yre disqualified for not participating and you win by default.
>>7992329It's a common beg trope for them to handicap themselves by not using references because it's "cheating" along with having an obsession with "imagination" drawing. Nobody gives a fuck or is going to give you extra brownie points because you did it all from your head even though 99% of the time it looks like shit. People only care about the art piece looking good.
Having so much fun painting bruhs
>>7993089I like the mauve reds magenta and greys
>>7993322
>>7993361yuo fked me over but i was also thinking her face looks lioke bored or like annoyed or someshit so i can see it, havin trouble giving her a cool expression its very tiny
>>7993369No worries, I like the painting.
>>7993256Wrong. People who actually have a clue about art value when someone is able to draw from head well. It's only the normies which get highly impressed when you are basically a photo copy machine because realism is the most accessible language in art. Doesn't mean it's better tho.
>>7993406Normies like it because even they know that realism is one of the hardest things to pull off thanks to the uncanny valley effect and the fact that they probably tried it before which only goes to show that you're actually more retarded and far behind the average normie. If you want to remain a permabeg from never actually challenging yourself with studies than I'm not going to stop you.
>>7993429Normies like it because they have no clue about how a drawing was produced. They only see the end product, not the steps how it was created. They don't understand how much harder it is to create something decent from scratch and how much easier it is when you constantly have a guide which tells you where to put the lines.You have no clue what you are talking about.
>>7993322I like it overall. Acrylic paint looks artificial as hell, though. It would look better in any other medium. But maybe it's just me.
>>7993441>You have no clue what you are talking about.That's rich coming from the begtard who clearly has never attempted it even once in your life, it's only the explanation as to why you think it's easy.
>>7993446>>7993441pyw
>>7993446Your projections are so cheap. I already made many drawing from photo references. It's not hard just time consuming and tedious.Drawing from head requires way more knowledge and thinking. You actually have to understand perspective for it, anatomy, construction, design and creativity etc. You don't even really need these things for photo refs.
>>7993463>I already made many drawing from photo references. It's not hard just time consuming and tedious.Yeah that means it's hard, dumbass.>You actually have to understand perspective for it, anatomy, construction, design and creativity etc.And how are you supposed to learn all these things without making copies, out of thin air? Even Kim Jung Gi le master of imagination drawings went to art school for years and became good way before he ever ventured into it and even before he died you can find tons of streams of him practicing using references so he could continue to get better because it's not going to happen by retrying on a blank canvas over and over again hoping that you'll learn the tricks hopelessly out of thin air when in reality you're a retard trying to put IKEA furniture without reading the manual and wondering why it looks fucked.
>>7993256I like how you turned """"maquettes"""" into models to cope with getting savagely btfo the fuck out.
>>7993468>Yeah that means it's hard, dumbassThat's not what it means, ESL. Hard the opposite of easy, tasks can be easy, tedious and time consuming.If I spill a cup of rice on the floor and tell you to clean it up with your hands, that's a task any child can easily accomplish without issue or chance of failure, but it's nonetheless tedious and time consuming.
>>7993463>Drawing from head requires way more knowledge and thinking. You actually have to understand perspective for it, anatomy, constructionA trad god walked among us, but we fools haven't even noticed.
>>7993475Lmao you sound exactly like the type of faggot who would go outside in freezing weather without a jacket then proceeds to tell everyone "I'm not cold".
>>7993481>Low IQ ESL niggerbabbleTake the free English lesson with grace, brownoid, it will help you avoid miscommunication when engaging your betters in the future.
>>7993484>tips fedora
>>7993469Yeah I'm the maquettes guy, you got me you silly goose!
>>7993486>browns brownishly
wew, another thread done, good job, guysit's not hard work, but somebody's gotta do it
>>7993463You wish you had the skill to draw realism, kid. Maybe then you'd finally be able to prove to your parents that you're not a worthless faggot for once in your life.
>>7993502working out some personal issues, buddy?
>>7993504I just call it like I see it.
>>7993505seeing gay kids while ding posts about drawing is the concerning part, yesare you okay? you can open up, we're all friends here
>>7993507I wouldn't have said nothing if you weren't here.
>>7993508if you had said nothing you wouldn't be in this conversation tho?
>>7993510Anyways, I'm glad you gave up on art and decided to shitpost full time instead since you were never going to catch up to me skillwise, Not in your lifetime.
>>7993516would love to see your work
>>7993468>And how are you supposed to learn all these things without making copies, out of thin air?I never said that using references is a bad thing. Learn to read. I still use references myself. I just usually try to start with a sketch first and only then search for references which somewhat could fit to it.
>>7993443made first layer with acrylic and now doing final layers with oil. dont mind acrylic but people say oil is better so i dunno. maybe i can get more money that way.
study of a doxy panel in oils
>>7993526It's not truly drawing from your head and doing it from scratch like you said earlier if you're using references then. Drawing from your head is only fun for doodling but not for serious work or even learning since all you're doing from drawing imaginatively is just repeating what you already know in your head. A drawing from your head is never going to look as good if you had used reference so I'm not going to spend a hundred hours on what possibly could turn out to be polished turd with uncanny anatomy from drawing it from my head which unless you have photographic memory leaves out tons of details instead of using a reference from the get go and making sure it gets done right, even if I have to take a picture of myself for a pose.
>>7993543i get watchu mean but what if it's someone's prerrogative, what they're trying to do to draw from their head? im not sure how to justify it, maybe that it's more purely theirs, whereas using reference is more interpretative. in a crass sense they´re all ¨¨bilogical processeS¨´ so it´s the same thing (i.e the imagination painter just does what he memorized from past practice of real things vs someone watching reawl things, doesnt seem essentially distinct) but yeah i dunno i guess if you dont use reference and get good at it maybe there will be a different feel to your works but as for a conceptual justification im not sure, i like to think its more original and harder if i were to say why i like doing it, its like pure excpression in a sense, obviously to each their own i do look down on photo realism but im not gonna look down on someone doing nature patingins or whtaever its fine different practices
>>7993556>obviously to each their own i do look down on photo realismAll good, I used to look down on realism and thought it was boring too when I was teenage weeb and now it's my favorite as I got older. There's no other feeling like drawing a realism portrait and seeing the face come to life right infront of you when it all starts coming together.
>>7993568>I used to look down on realismIt's the hardest form of painting to understand. Usually noobs and normis like it. If you dig deeper, you usually loose interest. And then it will take you years, if not decades to understand realism again, which most people never do, obviously. It's the perfect example of the iq bell curve meme
>>7993582>It's the hardest form of painting to understand.Not just to understand but also doing it too, it's very easy to fuck it up even moreso with paint since it's permanent so you have to extra careful unless you're doing a paint by number.
>>7993568>>7993582pyw
>>7993598Paint isn't permanent, what the fuck are you even taking about?Do you retards even paint?
>>7993599I will next thread, pinky promise.
>>7993604What you mean retard, it's the same as ink. Once it's on there, it's on there and all you can do is salvage it from there on out.
>>7993608Holy fuck, it's an actual larper
>>7993611You sure are. I can only imagine how muddy and dogshit your fingerpaints look like if you're mixing the colors haphazardly on the canvas.
>>7993608you can literally just wipe it off loleven dry paint can easily be removed and reapplied, it's how restoration works>>7993616just last thread we talked about picrel being reworked 45 years after it was painted
>>7993616>paint is permanent>paint is the same as in>once it's there, it's there>no it isn't>HURR MIXING HAPHAZARDLY ON THE CANVAS DURRNigger, you can literally just remove the paint, what the fuck are you even talking about, what "mixing on the canvas?" If you put on the wrong color, you just take it off, you don't leave it there and "mix on the canvas", what is wrong with you?
>>7993604>oil paints aren't permanent you are dumb and most likely suck as well
>>7993630Yeah you can scrape it off after it dries but it's still going to be counted as permanent you autistic retard. I want you to google for me if oil paints are permanent and tell me the first result.
>>7993631>>7993633You know everyone can tell you're samefagging, right? The only way oil can just be taken off is if you're not priming your fucking canvas.
>>7993637*can't
>>7993637I would have never thought to wipe away the painting like a retard and possibly smearing all the details and even then it only wipes away partially. For me, I use a little thing called accuracy when I make art instead of slopping away like I'm sure you do.
>>7993639Oil polymerizes, retard, you don't paint.
>>7993643I did paint back in high school, it's much easier than pen and pencil.
>I would have never thought to wipe away the painting like a retard and possibly smearing all the details and even then it only wipes away partially. For me, I use a little thing called accuracy when I make art instead of slopping away like I'm sure you do
>>7993648>it's much easier than penYes, because pen is permanent, you fucking mongoloid.
>>7993649Is that your painting? Wow, looks good!
>>7993651Must be tough being the only person in the world that believes that paint isn't permanent. You are like a flat earther.
>>7993469I already explained that models are better than maquettes you retarded cuntbut some things like dragons obviously don't have a model you can pose and human models are outrageously expensive, NO ONE here can afford them>>7993604(most) paint is "permanent" in the sense that it's non-reversiblefor example most varnishes are designed to be removable and are therefore not considered permanentonce paint has polymerized your only option is to mechanically remove it by scraping or sanding etc.you want to be very careful doing that if you are painting with any cads or other heavy metal pigs, you don't want small particles of those lingering around.wiping away a non dry passage with a wet rag has been common practice forever
>>7993656Arguing semantics doesn't work when you already explicitly stated what "permanent" means, retard.>it's the same as ink. Once it's on there, it's on there and all you can do is salvage it from there on out
>>7993657everyone here can afford them, the place near me hires literal insane bums for like $30 for life drawing sessionsthey will literally tell you about terminators and aliens being after them
>>7993658That's probably why my paintings look better since I'd assumed they were permanent. Oh well, a win's a win.
>>7993662Very cool, post it.
what percentage of posts itt are by people literally just fantasizing about painting someday
>>7993666Not me, painting is messy and looks gay.
>>7993668too late for cope, you already lost izzat, jeet
>>7993673What did I lose?
>>7993664>Very coolThanks, it sure is.
>>7993568Well I meant hyperrealism, realism is cool , hyper is autistic and you may as well use photograph
Hey /trad/, first time drawing big format for a portrait class and we'll be transferring this to a canvas. My lines came out absolutely shit, but any advice on the shadow shapes before I put this on the canvas?
>>7993818No idea why it came out upside down
>>7993819are the proportions correct? looks like a goblinalso, you're missing the entire cheekbone on the far side
>>7993924stop giving advice begtard, you suck
>>7994036She does look dysgenic as fuck, even for a gypsy
>>7993818Wouldn't you be better off asking the teacher in the class? Someone who also sees the model and sees how you work.
>>7994036stop being bad at art lol
>>7993924I don't know man, we had to breaks ever 20 mins so the position kept changing ever so slightly. I measured proportions a lot so I'm reasonably confident the proportions are decent...I did not see her cheek one on the far side from my seat icl. It just wasn't there>>7994057I could only talk to them for like 10 mins over the course of the day, but they didn't mind the likeness too much
>>7993819I think the far eye is too high up, that’s messing up the perspective of the cheek too.
new >>7994305
>>7976889Based
>>7991576>>7991590>>7991578>>7991585Thomas Cole is one of, if not perhaps the greatest painter of all time and I doubt there are any painters you could honestly recommend that could hold a candle to him
>>7995164Not sure why you quoted me, I posted the link precisely because it dismantles the guy's arguments about the HRS. That said, I can easily post better painters
