How do you decide the battle of "spend more time on it and try to make it look as good as you can" vs "just move on and finish it so you can start another one"?

>>7987479
Usually for me it depends on what I'm in the mood for and how much time I want to spend. Working on new stuff is fun and exciting, but always abandoning a piece before you polish it to the best of your ability can become a bad habit. Some anons out there have been drawing for years and have never finished anything. You can always come back to it in a few days or weeks. With fresh eyes you'll see it a lot differently.
If you had a goal with the piece, ask yourself if it achieved that goal yet. How much longer would it take to reach that goal? Are you will to spend that time/effort on it? What would you do differently? What would the goal of your next piece be?

Are you doomed if you got crap taste? I noticed I still struggle with symboldrawing but in new ways. I have gotten deep enough into the fundies to at least boarder on int but I struggle with the actual concepts. I see so many people online making OCs and storytelling and conveying emotion but I still default to just tropes like the thought process is femboy + maid dress end of thought and obviously then everything I do is bland af. My friend has actually tried giving me exercises to fix that habit but I still don't really feel any impulse towards making a real OC with a defined personality and story nstead of just a manifestation of a trope I like. nevermind actual social interaction between characters beyond fucking

Should I color a drawing even tho I am not toally convinced by its quality? My coloring would take some time...

>>7987653
If your goal is to just practice coloring specifically then sure, why not. But in general if you’re not happy with a piece you should be comfortable with scrapping it and moving on. Don’t feel chained to it. When you’re in the learning phase you want a tight, fast feedback loop where you iterate as quickly as possible. Moving onto the next drawing will give you an opportunity to apply what you learned from this one and not make the same mistakes again.

Will I be viewed as a woketard if I draw a lot of brown girls?
I also like thick lips, big asses, and wavy dark hair...

>>7988268
Probably will give big social credit points on reddit

Do you think the third vanishing point exists in a second vertical horizon line?

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is this ai

>>7988465
Could be both. If I would use AI I definitely would make better pictures with it tho. This one is fairly simple.

How do I know I should give up ?

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>>7988553
No one has ever made it by quitting. Keep going and you'll get better faggot. I believe in you loser!

>>7988597
Well fuck you, you fucking piece of shit! I will give up then so I don’t end up a retarded faggot like you.

I've seen lolisho artists on Fanbox and Patreon but I didn't think these platforms allow that kind of content. Can you post uncensored drawn cunny on there?

How do you find an audience for an ongoing story based webcomic?

>>7988599
You're already the retarded faggot ur scared of being. Embrace art, live in the failure and you will emerge a beautifully skilled butterfly. Mwah I love u

>>7988663
>You're already the retarded faggot ur scared of being.
If I could paint one line of graffiti in my life, this would be it.

>>7988605
everything is allowed if you're not caught

How do you usually do gesture?

Some artists tend to start off with the head while others start off with a center line or the spine of the body instead. Are there actually no rules when it comes to gesture, so you just do what feels good for you?

Also, does the third vanishing point exists in a second vertical horizon line?

>>7988614
you need to post it where ever your target audience browses + get lucky

what happened to the courses general?

>>7990408
Everything is on telegram and no one is interested in uploading the files somewhere else, so it's been pretty dead.
It will pop up again eventually. Maybe. Or you can check the archive.

>>7990411
how do i access the telegram or rather, what the telegram?

>>7990412
>>7946629
>Telegram Channel
aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuY2J1c3RlcnMuY29tL2FjY2Vzcw==
I've never used it so I don't know much else, sorry.

>>7990417
thanks

Should I use brush stabilizers as a beginner?

>>7990945
For the most part I think you can just use whatever setting comes with the brush. If you are worried about it still, draw with a real pencil first and try to match the stabilization to that feeling.

is it just me or does krita's brush feels bad to draw with?
don't get me wrong it's my main app and i've been using it for years but whenever i try to draw somewhere else (PS/ms paint/magma etc) it just feels better there

People generally seem to like my drawings from photo references more but I find copying from references cheap. Drawing from imagination is definitely more fun to me but it's just so hard to create a quality with it which can compete with photo copies.

What should I do? It's what I hate about art. I don't just want to become a photo copy machine but at the same time I also don't want to draw mediocre shit nobody cares about.

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>>7987435
Why do lights look much better if the emitting part and the airbrushed part around it are two different hues?
In the first reference pic I noticed the actual emitting part is a cyan color while the airbrushed glow in a deeper blue, and then I threw in some more examples from YYH and tried to do a study; if I try to imitate the glow effect but with the emitting part being the same tone of blue it looks way more ugly and less "real" (and as you can see I tried the same with various other colors), but is that actually how it works? It has to have SOME basis in reality because underlighting/bipack glow used actual physical lights that they would shine through the cels, but I'm more confused about the mechanics.
I know that actual temperature/heat-based light works similar to that (the core of a typical fire is kind of yellowish because it's the hottest, and as the flickering embers separate and lose heat they become somewhere between orange and red), but I can't think of an IRL example of artificial lights working the same, so I'm confused and I don't know if there's a proper physics term for this phenomenon, especially because this kind of color grading is exponentially more common in cel-era animation (again emphasizing the color grading here, not how they physically achieved the glowing look overall using underlighting).

>>7992860
>I can't think of an IRL example of artificial lights working the same, so I'm confused and I don't know if there's a proper physics term for this phenomenon
I don't know enough to answer your question, but look up the corona effect. I assume those effects are based on that or something similar, so it might give you a lead.

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Any advice on how to draw moose antlers?

>>7994665
Heh, that's a great question. They'd be really tricky to construct using bounding boxes or simple forms.

This page has a 3D model you can reorient easily:
https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/moose-antlers-743c1869b2084830922ad0637191ac70

Maybe just position them as you need and then draw what you see?

I just deleted a piece I’d wasted 11 hours because I was angry at myself for making so little progress in all that time is that healthy also I hit the table really hard and my hand still hurts

>>7994729
Deleting things is fine. It may be better to put them aside and then delete them when you're calmer, but it's still okay. You may even be able to recover it. (If you want it back, try to recover it sooner rather than later.)

Bashing your hand is stupid. You draw. You can't afford to damage your hand. Both actions seem rash. You can probably recognize when you're getting upset, and train yourself to go for a brief walk or something. When you return, if you're still determined to wreck yourself, you can do it with a clear head and in a focused manner.

The good thing here is that you're concerned about the quality of things you make. That puts you ahead of most.

What's the point of drawing when you have nobody to draw for anyway? Society is pure cancer.

>>7987435
How to join an active challenge on DAD? i want to join 2 challenges

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>>7995051
"Society is pure cancer" seems like a viable theme to me. You wouldn't be the first artist to feel so. Searching for misanthropic artists will find you some, but many of the lists are by historians or casuals passing judgment. You'll probably have to dig a bit to find the best of them.

>>7995126
I am not even a misanthrop tho. I just the masses of aggressive low IQ dumbfucks. I don#t believe every human is like this tho. It's just the vast majority of them. It's sturgeons law that 90% of everything is crap.

>>7995126
Stating the truth is not misantropy though.
Too many monkeys are unrealiable or don't have any kind of civic sense, and this from the first world.
The third worlders instead are just repulsive... Not even a single redeeming quality.

>>7995145
>Stating the truth is not misantropy though.
This. I really just hate the endless masses of dumb and aggressive retards.

>>7995134
>>7995145
>>7995155
Whether or not you or they are genuinely misanthropic in your sense of the word, it's a search term that'll get you started. Fair enough?

>>7995126
Props for posting James Ensor, Anon. He's a great painter and I almost never hear him talked about.

I have a question: In general, are shadows typically more or less saturated than the lights?

I understand that the color temperature of your shadows varies based on reflected light and the environment but the saturation level is something that eludes me so far.

It saturation level also a variable that just depends on the lighting situation or is there a rule of thumb that more knowledgeable artists know to make their lighting look appealing?

Any Krita pros here? Wondering if certain Photoshop features can be replicated in it, be it with addons or natively with some setting:

1. Keyboard shortcuts for flipping a selection (not the entire image) horizontally/vertically. This already exists as a function in the software but for some godforsaken reason only as buttons you need to manually press in the tool settings docker, with no way of assigning hotkeys to it as far as I can tell.

2. Using shift to draw perfectly straight lines. Holding shift in PS while using the brush locks it to horizontal or vertical lines, and you can draw perfect lines using whatever brush you have. Also shift clicking lets you draw straight lines between arbitrary points using any brush, and it chains, so you can draw perfectly straight-edged polygons like with the polygonal lasso tool. Krita as far as I can tell wants me to mess around with a separate line tool which is clunky as hell.

>>7995732
in krita the v key lets you draw lines. holding shift with v lets you lock it to 15 degree increments.

>>7996092
I guess that'll have to do. Thanks

does reddit have any good art boards? I think I've saved most of the helpful stuff here and I want more

>>7996376
another thing you could do is set up a horizontal and vertical assistant, and then have it snap to assistants when you want a straight horizontal or vertical line like in photoshop

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>Really bright light source
>Character gets a lot of floating black beams around them
Name for this effect?

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What's the best way to announce comms on DeviantArt? Should I just post a comms open image in my profile like I do with my drawings? I'm not buying a Core subscription.

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Is this a good course to learn light and shadow?

>>7995051
Draw for yourself, draw what's fun?

>>7996876
Yeah, Dorian explains it well and has the best demonstrations.

>>7996988
Can I download it from you?

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I'm at a point where I can draw heads without much issue, regarding the angle, can i skip to part 2 of loomis to draw bodies? i'm at page early 20s, and part 2 is like page 50
not really interested in drawing realistic human heads, just mostly furries

>>7997923
You need to know how to draw realistic human heads before you draw furry heads, anon. Furry heads (and bodies) are ultimately rooted in human anatomy!

I'm not saying you need to be a perfect master, but you should still finish Part 1 for the sake of security.

>>7997929
Okay, thanks for the fast respond.
That gives me an idea what can i do for drawing for a while

Should I draw something else in between loomis? like drawing heads of characters of my choice? i'm not sure drawing nothing but loomis heads is going to help me in the long run

Is bargue plates the best way to grind edge control/rendering? I have a feeling this is a fundamental i’d much rather have under control early than later

>>7992860
if something is glowing then it's overexposed, which means your eyes havent adjust to the brightness and the imperfections in the lens are scattering some of the light more noticeably, lets say you had a colour in rgb 0.1 0.4 0.8 which is like a darker blue, if you tried to double the brightness of this what you get is 0.2 0.8 1.0 which is a bright cyan, you cannot see beyond 1.0 here so the colour changes,
so if you had an orange colour, which is basically red and green but red is more dominant, if you increased the brightness to the point it's overexposed then you get a more yellow colour because the red cant be any redder past a certain point so the red and green are closer together and appear yellow, the glow around an overexposed colour is a lower brightness of the colour so it appears as the original colour in terms of proportion in rgb values.
atleast thats my theory and what makes sense to me
tl:dr the individual rgb values of a colour caps out if it's too bright so the glow resembles the original colour more than the bright colour

Is it possible to stop being gay?

How do you get into the ADHD mindset when creating? I think I have to act like I have ADHD to be faster and stop overthinking.

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Just wondering if Proko is worth it? I am an attorney looking to draw in my free time and create some sketches for some fantasy series I got published (well a few short stories published)
I'd like to get better, and would be willing to shell out the $150 for the drawing basics course, but I was just wondering what the consensus was...
I've pirated a few Vilppu things, and don't really know where to go and if any anons had any advice, thanks

>>7998610
Since it sounds like you can afford it, it can save you time getting started just by providing the structure. It won't teach you how to draw by itself but it might help you to build initial momentum if you need it, especially by giving you the projects and community feedback.

>>7998604
>be faster and stop overthinking.
If you are very slow and it's not because you haven't done much drawing there is a problem with your workflow.
Overthinking means you don't understand what you are doing well enough to make a confident decision. Instead of turning your brain off, break the problem down and figure out which fundamental you get hung up on, then do a small study of it.
>>7998610
>Proko is worth it?
Before that, is a course worth it? The main advantages to buying a course is access to feedback from a teacher, having homework/projects decided for you, and having a commitment to keep up with the course.
The advantages are worth it if you need them, but if you don't then books are a far superior investment.
As for Proko specifically, he does get recommended here from time to time, but personally I don't like him.
A number of the videos included in his course are free on his youtube channel, I recommend you watch those first before making a decision.
Also consider checking the board sticky, as well as the OP posts on the various generals on this board. Those links are full of information and resources, you may find you don't need anything else.

>>7998479
I'm working on this too at the moment and in my experience so far there's a huge gap between edge control alone and general rendering. For just grinding edge control and form shading it's probably as good as anything, but seems to be a good idea to throw in a few studies of other materials in color with that.

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What type of perspective is this? I had a schizo theory about cropping areas of 5 point perspective grids to make sense of it but I'm kind of lost here, I'm thinking heavily distorted 3 point with a curved horizon line but I'd glad to read a perspective autist thoughts on this kind of distorted perspectives and how to make sense of them, especially for doing grids freehand and not feel like you're completely lost.
Also a 2nd question, when it comes to rule of thirds and railman composition, how much does the canvas size affect these rules until they become useless? Is there such a thing?

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>>7998857
I was thinking a tilted version of this with exaggerated arcs but the ceiling/back wall line throws me off.

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I've got a real dumb one here. So I'm going to E-hentai to collect art books since I now have free time. I wanted to know if there are any notable books I should seek out. I've already downloaded elsewhere the following books.

>>7998654
>Overthinking means you don't understand what you are doing well enough
Wrong. I just have depression and am lazy because of this. I think developing some kind of ADHD ie becomign hyper active is the onyl way for me to get out of this. I have to become incredibly impatient

>>7998881
Anatomy for Sculptors is my preferred anatomy reference. You have a lot of the most recommended books, most of the others I know are the same content but from different authors.
Try searching for games, shows, or artists you like together with the artbook tag. There is a lot of concept art, settei, and sketches that you might find worth studying.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-S-PrEEgvQ
This guy uses AI BGM for his videos, then at the end, he uses AI genned image for reference...is he retarded? I thought Japs were supposed to be smart.

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Hi anons. Is there a good resource out there for understanding how greyscale value 'maps' to colours? I'm trying to figure out how so using this as a reference (it's blown out in saturation, I know, I figured a bit more contrast would help make it easier to define values). I can see a lot of dark-mids and outright darks in the skin when I set it to grayscale, but then the actual colour version leans more towards light mids when I colour pick to figure out a rough guide for where I should be looking for a given tone. What gives?

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>>7999704
i discovered a hack where you can isolate the base color of the image by duplicating the layer, making it greyscale, placing it on top of the original image and using the divide blend mode.

you can see shadows more clearly if you convert to grayscale then posterize.

if you were to paint the colors from from the top onto the bottom using multiply mode, it would look close to the original image.

>>7999704
https://pixls.us/articles/digital-b-w-conversion-gimp/

There's more than one way to get to a greyscale image. Sure, you can just average the RGB values as you might expect, but there are other algorithms that weight the channels differently-- one of the methods, for example, accounts for the different sensitivity of the eye to different colors.

The above article tackles some of this, plus it's got a few photos with algorithm options you can click to see the difference in results.

does anyone know the latest twitter algorithm hacks?
for general non-nude fanart, mainly girls with big tits
around september to december last year I was getting 6-8k likes on everything and growing very fast from 19k to 26k followers
but now this whole year I've gotten zero followers, barely any likes, if I hit 1k it's a success and objectively my art is better

>>7999704
There are literally fluorescent colors in this image. No shit you can't portrait their vibrancy with regular grey color.

>>7999957
>>7999987
no anons, you misunderstand
I'm not literally trying to map colour to a greyscale painting after the fact. I want to understand the underlying values of a given chosen colour as I paint it directly onto a canvas so I'm not getting a muddy/low-contrast palette

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My friend got this evil piece of art. Will she be haunted forever if she sells it for a profit?

>>8000181
Are you now asking "how do I judge the value of a color?"

This is probably fucking stupid to ask but I want to know your opinions: how many hours of drawing would you guess it takes for someone to confidently know if they're perma/beg/ or not? Like how long should you really push through and test yourself until it becomes apparent you've hit the end of your ability? For a beginner btw.

>>8000244
Yeah, I think that's what I was trying to ask initially but fucked it up

Where's a big collection of cosplays that I can sort by series? I want to study cosplays of my favorite series

I can't stop looking at my work and reviewing it. This plus the fear of ruining it when I keep working on it really cripples my productivity.

How do you get rid of this? How can I become less attached to my pictures?

>>8001257
By producing more of them, basically. When you've done a thousand drawings, the thousandth and first isn't as special.

Why is it so hard to draw two (or more) characters in an image. The first one looks ok but the second one almost always looks off.

>>8001290
example? i think it's because once you have one character down then there's a frame of reference

>>8001290
because the first sets up the 3d space for the second
you are now more constrained by the proportions and perspective of the first to make them share this imagined space properly

I won’t draw.

>>8000207
She has fake tits btw

>>8001708
I couldn’t tell.

>>8001320
Smart move, you've broken free

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>>8001738
I figure it’s important in determining how long she will be haunted by the artwork

>>8001746
You should draw a picture of her getting raped by ghosts.

For those familiar with Photoshop, Clip Studio Paint, and Krita, is it possible to replicate Krita's erase blend mode so that it works in all three programs?
Here's an explanation of what the erase blending mode is:
https://docs.krita.org/en/reference_manual/blending_modes/mix.html#bm-erase
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/yNl0tksoJKI

So I have an xp pen artist 12 what setting for pressure sensitivity would you recommend for a beginner?

>>8002056
I hate Krita's way of renaming/describing things that other programs standardize.
If I understood the link right, you can do that in PS and CSP with layer masks, but instead of using opaque pixels, the mask is opaque and the areas you erase from the mask also non-destructively erase from the main layer.

>>8002056
>>8002339
I just re-read your post and realized I didn't answer the question you were asking. Sorry.
PS and CSP don't really have an erase blend mode, but Krita does seem to have transparency layer masks, so if you use layer masks it MIGHT transfer between programs.

>>7987576
Watch less porn. As in, stop watching porn altogether. This will help your brain to heal and not be totally fucked beyond belief.

>>8002351
Nothign wrong with porn. You just have to consume more if you want to have other inspiration too.

>>7987576
Go on a walk without being on your phone. Research has shown exercise is great for coming up with ideas.

>>8002339
>>8002344
Thank you! I'll try using a transparency mask once I finish my current drawing. I feel more comfortable working with Krita, but the person I'm collaborating with prefers Photoshop and Clip Studio Paint.

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>>7987435
Manga/manhua/manhwa vs comic vs graphic novel vs webcomic

I can't decide which one to go for, I started planning out my panels manga style, my story is probably going to be 4 volumes/100ish chapters, I am n5 level in Japanese, and I don't like webcomics so don't have much exposure to "well made" ones.

Picrel: storyboard

>>8002237
However hard you naturally push when writing = mid
However hard you push when actually pushing down = high
Anything lighter than mid = low

This question could be a shitpost

>>8002237
pressure sensitivity is a personal thing, you have to find what you like and gets the results you want

>>8002473
Thank you for answering nicely.

>>8002462
Hey no stupid questions mean no stupid questions.

>>8002485
The thread is "stupid questions that don't deserve their own thread", not "no stupid questions that don't deserve their own thread"

Every question in this thread is a stupid question

>>7996836
I don't see what a Core™ subscription has to do with it. I just make a post that shows prices and take it down once the commissions are over. Be sure to put your contact at the very bottom. I used to have a telegram only for comms, that way if someone messaged me I know they've read the price sheet or disregarded it entirely and just wants to be my friend

How do I know if my shadows are dark enough? Should they always be dark as black or is it ok to just leave them in some shade of grey?

>>8002458
>my story is probably going to be 4 volumes/100ish chapters
That's waayyyyy too long for your first comic. You should start with short stories to get a feel for storytelling and stuff first.

>>8002540
I know I should, every time it feels like a waste of time and I give up because it feels pointless

To be honest with you, I'm not aiming to immediately complete or stick with 100 chapters, that's the goal of it gets picked up, which also isn't expected. It's simply "planned 100 chapters" to stop myself from giving up immediately after the first page is done being inked.

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I've been using a pirated copy of CSP 1.10 for years now and I've finally reached a point in my art journey where I want the features of the newest version. Do I just buy the perpetual license for 5.0? do the EX features not matter very much if all I do just drawing?

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So I saw this bit of info and was wondering what's the equivalent of Add in photoshop?

>>8003380
Linear Dodge (Add)

>>8003114
for Pro vs EX, it's basically just unlimited animation frames, multi-page management and some 3d-line converter thing. so unless you're doing animation or comics, EX isn't worth it. also it goes on sale multiple times a year so you should wait for the next one.

>>8003380
linear dodge (add) blending mode

>>8003383
>>8003384
Thank you kindly.

Ok. I'm ready to admit I need to step back and just redo a fundamentals course before I can make my next step forward. Is there a good one aimed at someone who's been down the road which cuts out some of the stuff on what to buy etc. with slightly less dumbed down language?

>>8004869
I recommend Artwod if you put in the work you can speed through the fundies and get to the fun.

Are there any actual writeups or guides on different commission platforms and which ones are bad, including stuff like which ones will dox you? Searches yield nothing since I already know how I'm going to price things/set up my commission sheet etc. Or better yet just suggest me a platform keeping these parameters in mind
>Absolutely nothing that will leak my personal information
>I don't draw porn, fetish or political artwork/post inflammatory shit on my accounts like an idiot so I imagine this opens up some avenues (the most I've done so far is things like sexual expressions, curvy/busty characters and things in that department but my work is largely sfw and normie)

>>8005151
>Look up artwod
>Gamified garbage for retarded kids
NVM just gonna start a new illustration

>>8005607
This is why your a permaprebeg KYS

>>8005618
Sorry, wasn't trying to be a dick if it's genuinely useful for you. Im just not going to pay for an online course

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how do i progress past my mechnical pencil on 8.5x11" cardstock phase and use real drawing media? i have different types of pencil and charcoal and whatnot but i don't use them. is 8.5x11" too small to capture all of the details of a subject? i'm in kind of a king of the hill symbol drawing phase where i don't have the confidence to work in small details. should i get a lighbox so i don't have to continually muddy up my paper with erased construction lines?

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Do you map cubes based on the vertices or the edges?

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What's the trick to make hands look pretty? Pic unrelated

>>8006319
study hands you find pretty

>>8006319
draw your own hand and put a pink bow on it

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How does one make drawing comics on a digital canvas more comfortable? Drawing on such big pages doesn't feel right, especially because I dislike how the brushes I usually draw with change in shape/feel when I make them bigger to match. Pic is the A6 template on CSP for example.

>>8006339
So buy the high quality 4k brushes then from their points store then.

>>8005607
Its not for everyone. I appreciate goal oriented learning. Thanks for giving it a look though.

I'm working on my digital painting and getting to textures. I was wondering if anyone knew of a handy written guide for step by steps for various textures?

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>>7987435
how should i be protecting my sketches? i take them from my sketchbook and put them in a big pile in my closet but i noticed a singular moth and now i am worried they will eat my paper

How do you balance drawing what you see vs construction? I feel like drawing what you see is an entirely different mode than construction, and I’m not sure how you’re supposed to integrate the two

>>8007196
>i take them from my sketchbook
er...why?

I keep mine in my sketchbook. Loose stuff goes in a bin that fits up to 9"x12" sheets. Large stuff goes in cardboard folios I cut from scrap. If you do this, be careful about crushing the edges of your work in the hinge. Finally, anything with alcohol marker gets stored between scrap sheets of paper. Some of my markers bleed long after usage...

I photograph or scan anything reasonably nice as a backup.

Note that cardboard folds a little unpredictably, even when clamped between a piece of wood and the edge of a table. If you want the edges of your folio to line up perfectly, fold the cardboard and then cut the folded piece to the dimensions you want. If you're cutting it with a knife, run a butterknife along the cut edges afterwards. This will save you quite a few papercuts over time.

>>8007203
its just easier to draw on my desk with a single piece of paper. i dont like how it feels drawing in a sketchbook. also i dont care too much about my sketches cause i make a few a week and revisit them if i like the idea to trace/copy. you cant trace from a lightbox if the page is in the sketchbook.

>>8007196
Moth ball or I think cedar chips if you want a nice smell. Surround them with alternating rings of salt and diatomaceous earth to ward of other insects and evil spirits

>>8007255
thank you i will try garlic and crosses too. faraday cage perhaps

>>8007200
Have you already looked at Hampton? His YouTube videos are good demos of this and his courses go into more detail.

>>8007252
I understand. I prefer to draw on folded loose paper, too, resting on whatever large flat book is handy on my lap. But, the loose paper was overwhelming, and so I started buying boxes of spiral-bound sketchbooks. They can lie open and flat for light tables, or we have a very slim light table that you can insert almost to the spine in any book.

I once was in a class where we produced large drawings (2'x3') of architectural elements like Corinthian columns. The instructor lacked table space, and so he kept them stacked on the floor under one of the tables where they wouldn't be stepped on, etc. Anyway, his office was flooded, and all the drawings were soaked with dirty water (not sewage, though, fire suppression system leaked). I got lucky, because once my drawing dried out, it had an aged map appearance, like it had been soaked in tea. But the point of my extensive bullshit is that accidents happen, and if you have a pile of work you want to preserve, keep it in a sealed plastic bin at the minimum.

What kind of things should I draw to impress women?

>>8008032
Really depends on the women. Some like crowds, many like baths, a certain kind might like a gun.

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How do I get whatever version of Maya this is for my old mac?

why are all the art youtube teachers asian

I found an old Wacom tablet in my closet.
Is there any decent free software somewhere between mspaint and gimp for just a couple layers and brushes?

>>8009570
Drawpile

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how do i achieve this look in art? watercolor?

>>8009617
Thank you, have a great weekend!

>>8009623
Looks like oil colors to me. White and dark brown over imprimitura

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can someone tell be about this renaissance perspective tool. a video of it being used would be nice. it was how they seemed to have traced what they were seeing onto a picture plane.

>>8009740
It appears to me the devices allow the artist to set both a particular point of view and picture plane. The point of view is where the cord is anchored to the wall, and the picture plane is the sheet (that swings like a door).

In the upper image, left man touches some point on the subject mandolin with the end of a wand attached to a taught string. Right man holds his pencil at the intersection of picture plane and cord. The string is then pulled aside enough to swing the paper into place, and the mark corresponding to that point on the mandolin is made. (Note the weighted end of the string on the wall. This keeps the line taught, but also allows it to be deflected to permit the paper to swing into place.) Why the table has that great big drawer beneath I cannot fathom.

In the lower case, the picture plane is presumably transparent. The artist sights down an edge held taught and continuous with the cord. He holds the pen at the intersection of the sighted line and the transparent surface, and "traces" the urn.

That's what it looks like to me, anyway.

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When I try to redraw something from memory, I almost always reproduce it mirrored. Like I was thinking of referencing a specific pose, sketched it from memory, then looked at the original and found that I had drawn it mirrored.
Why this??

>>8007068
I get it, I may keep it in mind if I start transitioning to digital, but it's not what I'm looking for now. Thanks for actually responding, sorry I gave a shitty response. I must have been having a bad day.

Is there a tool that allows you to "flip the canvas" in real life pencil and paper drawings? I know mirrors, but like is there a tool name that incorperates mirror? Something I can buy on Amerzon?

>>8009902
you don't need to buy anything
https://youtu.be/jFes-S5HbxU?t=1442

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>>8009909
Holy shit, that's ingenious! Thank you for the link!

what's realistically gonna happen if I print out single issue of manga and trace every line using ink and dip pen? Will I learn something or it will colossal waste of time?

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How to deal with burnout? Animator here, this is a question that has been repeated many times but I would like to hear options anyways.

>>7987435
Should I go through Morpho's Simplified Forms or Anatomy for Artists first? as a beginner/intermediate guy

How do I learn to draw pretty vagina without looking at real life references because they look disgusting?

>>8009656
supposedly it's ink wash with white lead highlights?

>>8010800
idk man ask your mom

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>>8010643

there's no simple fix for burnout, my man. you have to find a way to get away from the things that give you too much stress and then after you've been able to get your mind out of the stressful things, you can slowly start to get back and you need to be mindful about the amount of work you do. it's a long process

Is there some sort of free sources of sex sounds for animation use :/

>>8010810
Probably. They all used lead white back then apparently.

Does it make sense for your physical position to affect your ability to draw. I usually draw in bed on my back and I think that limits my ability to calculate perspective.

what DPI to choose when drawing? Does it makes a big difference if I choose 300 or 350 dpi?

>>8013125
DPI doesn't matter unless you are planning to print your work, choosing a physical template e.g. (A4 @ 300 DPI) or using screentones effects/brushes that need a specific DPI to work correctly.
Just choose a pixel dimension for your canvas. 3k-4k on the long side is plenty as long as your device can handle it.

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hello frens I am not an artist and hopefully this question is not too stupid but this picture that is being shitposted on /v/ made me wonder about anatomy. I see this "thicc" phenotype drawn a lot but I don't understand the widest part of the body being so far below the pussy level. when I look at other illustrations or when I creep on women in real life I have observed that the widest part is usually at the butt level slightly higher than the pussy. I have seen the other example a few times in real life but it was all on fat black women. can someone who understands anatomy explain what is going on here?

>>8013355
Yeah the widest point would be the padding around the greater trochanter and usually that's not visibly below the pubic bone. Pretty sure whatever BBL or hip surgery a lot of OF girls have gotten lately brings this lower and rounds out the hips to avoid "hip dips" but maybe there are reasons why it would be naturally lower too.

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I'm currently trying to get into textures/cross hatching

Tell me the mistakes i'm making

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How you guys feel about me being a fake artist/impostor? I can only enjoy painting on antidepressants. It's weird to dedicate your life to this like that but I mean it beats being an office cuck right

>>8013682
Don't be a one of those retards that bait for sympathy. Just work on your muddy paintings.

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>>7987435
Are these "draw the outline with a single line" tutorials a giant meme? Is this "we taught him wrong on purpose" or is there any merit to this? Or did I completely misunderstand something, like it's only meant for tracing the general outline of a reference?

For traditional, should I try using an incline?

>>8014334
feels better for me, worth a shot

>>8014334
100% yeah. Get one of those slanted drawing tables if you can

>>8013695
There's merit, because everyone learns differently. Any technique like construction is meant as a crutch for beginners. You should aspire to draw without guidelines, because it's faster, you get more freedom of expression and it's more natural.

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how do i improve this ? i use a regular soft pen and air brush, im trying to study mark ryden but i feel like im no where near close or at least copy lowbrow art style / genre.

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HOW DO I DRAW APPEALING SHAPES AAAAAAAAAAA

How do you go about studying artbooks and that stuff?
Rn I'm reading a book by Michael Hampton but I have no idea on how to actually learn from it, I'm trying to follow the advice and copy the figures and stuff, I'm also trying to take notes but idk if I'm really learning or just wasting my time
Any advice?

Also, considering I'm /beg/ should I continue reading this Hampton guy or switch to another book

>>8016785
I'm in the exact same situation.

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https://youtu.be/JZ-SygT3x0s?t=2187
Can someone who knows perspective explain what is going on here? Is this accurate or close to correct? He's using horizontal lines on a drawing so he can use them as reference on a new angle, I think I've heard of this before but something about this makes me question if this method he is using is anything but nonsense. Can someone verify if it's actually useful? over 360k people watched it and seem to find it useful, but that part in particular doesn't make sense to me.

>>8016867
Youtube cattle will watch any slop put in front of them. He is going by experience (feeling le form) but it's basically just free-hand orthographic projection what he is doing and you will learn it if you read a perspective book

>>8016785
>>8016852
You're not ready for it, it'll be the same with a lot of books. Just skim it, try to pick up (ideally write down) what you can and keep it in mind whenever you draw, come back to it periodically and see if anything makes sense that didn't before. Also for Hampton in particular you can watch his video demos as a supplement to see how the process works. If you're copying the figures remember that the goal isn't to end up with a good drawing, it's to understand what the text is saying and how the figure relates to that. Copying it quickly and crudely can be better as long as you capture the main idea.

>>8016891
Thanks

More of a /3/ question but that board's dead and I figure this might be useful info for 2D artists, does anyone know in Blender how I can draw wrapping lines on a surface? Like drawing the circles that wrap around a sphere when you're doing a Loomis head. Or just any two arbitrary points on any surface. I have some 3D models and I want to paint wrapping lines on them so I have a reference that I can check myself against

I like shortstack-proportions but also like girls with small boobs and big asses; if I drew a really short goblinoid girl with small boobs but a big butt, do you think that's cutting it too close to being accused of "lolicon" in regular art spaces?

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Just got the taco books. Should I go through the first book and then move on to the second or should I go through both of them together?

>>8018002
get a refund

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>>8017448
idk if there's a more "legit" way of doing this but this seems to work well enough. Use the bisect tool to generate a new loop around the surface of the object, then save the selected vertices to a new vertex group. Create as many loops as you want and then reselect all of the vertex groups to highlight all of them at once. Might be a way of making it look prettier than this but this should be good enough to trace over. Useful if you're doing perspective exercises and want to make sure you have your wrapping lines correct

>>8016891
That's kinda what I've been doing, tho I struggle a bit when drawing the figures
Got any /beg/ book recommendations?

how do people draw erotic or porn works for hours and don't feel drained and demotivated if their work too exciting? when i feel aroused i lose motivation to do difficult creative projects and brain goes into primal uga buga fucka mode

>>8018561
Gaslight yourself into fixing one more thing, one more thing being a myriad of nitpicks to keep you busy. The condition is you'll only spray your DNA if they are properly addressed, so basically you'll finish the painting before it happens.
Another carrot and stick trick, make many sketch iterations, paintings and drawings, only the best one is worth giving your seed. There's the potential of a better drawing in the form of a different character and scene, you just haven't made it yet, so there's still a drive to keep improving and being critical of your process.
For not feeling like putting the effort, using a psychology trick such as "what's the best next thing I could do" because the bar of resistance for nutting is low and doing full drawings can be exhausting, pick something that's is doable, something like various thumbnails seeking for an ideal composition or appealing look can get you in a critical mindset, even if it's a rather simple exercise.
The idea here is not to give you a specific solution, but rather get you out of the coomer mindset and to keep you focused, and have a bunch of solutions you can default to so your brain resorts to being critical and then it becomes a habit.

>>8018561
Decensitize yourself by looking at very questionable hardcore porn for years. Then you won't get aroused by drawings anymore

I get that listening to music while studying will stunt growth. But is it okay to listen to music while you draw?

>>8019500
It can distract your attention. Depending on the style of music, some are more or less distracting than others. But if it makes you enjoy drawing more then you'll draw for longer so it balances out. Keeping things fun and enjoyable is more important so it's fine.

>>8019563
>fun and enjoyable
NGMI

Can symmetry be practiced or it's natural for things to be a little skewed when freehanding? I really don't like the idea of having to set up models of rulers to draw a front facing face

>>8019646
I remember it being very difficult as a complete beginner. Just pay attention to it, keeping it in mind when drawing and trying to fix it when it goes wrong was enough to fix it mostly. Often it can be an observational problem, not being able to think/draw in 3d or a hand-eye coordination problem, all are trainable skills. Keeping it in mind while sketching and drawing guidelines to keep things symmetrical helped. If they sketch is unsymmetrical, the drawing will come out unsymmetrical too. It's easier to fix mistakes in the sketching phase. Mirroring/flipping the canvas makes symmetrical errors obvious. Cover half the face, imagine what the other side should look like. Uncover it and you might notice some features are in the the wrong place. Repeat for the other side. Rhythm lines like Reilly Rhythms helped me too. Took a while but now it comes naturally. Every once in a while it still goes wonky, especially with faces at weird angles or if I get lazy and don't double check. Perfect symmetry looks unnatural so you can be 2-5% off or so for faces no problem. ~10% off for everything else.

>>8018538
>Got any /beg/ book recommendations?
Not really. If you're studying by yourself it's on you to decide on your goals and find the right resources for that, then figure out where your'e falling short and the requisites you're lacking. If you can't do that by yourself you probably need a teacher. Having said that, the basics you need for Hampton are more explicit in Vilppu's Drawing Manual, but as a complete book that's still going to be a challenge. Just avoid burning yourself out trying to brute force a single book. Learn whatever you can from them now and if you continue drawing from observation and master studies you should find things start to click and the books gradually make more sense.

>>8019646
Just keep flipping the canvas back and forth until it looks equally good no matter how you flip it. Don’t use a ruler, you want to have tiny micro imperfections so it looks natural

Is it common for artists to be negatively biased to their own works? I don't like most of the pieces I've made, even if I think they "objectively" look at least fine.

>>8020033
yeah that's very common

>>8020033
You're often your own hardest critic

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How can I remove the dots from the ends of the stroke on clip studio?

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>>8018538
Good /beg/ books are Jason Brubaker's Cognitive Drawing, and Nathan Goldstein's The Art of Responsive Drawing. You should definitely get DRSB (Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain) and Color by Betty Edwards.

Don't touch most of the books /ic/ pushes until you've gone through these first and have done a lot of copying/studying and life drawing first. You also don't "need" Drawabox (at least not immediately) if you take the time to draw simple forms from various angles (cars, buildings, hands and heads and feet, weapons, glassware and bottles, etc).

/begs/ often struggle because they're often to "just draw" or "just study the fundamentals" or "study one of the books from the charts" but experienced artists forget that /begs/ need to specifically work on Gesture, Observation, Value, Form (which includes Line and Shape) and drawing from memory before they make the jump to constructive drawing books.

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>>7987435
Is it really that easy, bros?

>>8021321
>/begs/ struggle because they're told to study the fundamentals, but experienced artists forget that /begs/ need to specifically work on the fundamentals
???

>>8021502
it's simple but it's not easy

Do you think you draw Better when you’re relaxed I sometimes wonder if I would draw better if I wasn’t getting so angry at myself for being terrible

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>>7987435
Can I still get better at drawing if I do it 2 days a week instead of everyday?

>>8021889
Absolutely not. It requires a daily commitment. It’s one of the hardest skills you could choose to learn

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In real life, in some mediums,the texture of the canvas/paper shows off more on dark, because of reflections and stuff. In clip studio paint how do I make sure my paper textures still show up on 100% dark without washing over everything?

>>8021889
I mean yes you’ll get better but you’ll take a much longer time. Daily commitment is key

>>8021701
Just be patient. Getting good at art takes time

>>8021701
Yeah, in the sense that you do anything better when you’re relaxed. But drawing imo has more in common with mental skills like math than physical skills like sports. Being “locked in”, having good days and bad days, etc, those things don’t matter quite as much; drawing is more about relying on your accumulated store of knowledge than it is about physical performance. Once you have the knowledge and experience, you’ll draw well. And if you don’t have the knowledge, you can’t really fake it.

how big 30 sec gesture drawings should be? I can only manage to make 2-inch figures, should I go bigger?

>>8022593
It really doesn’t matter, but try to err on the side of bigger since most /beg/s have a problem with drawing too small

>>8021891
>>8022378
Thanks for the reply.
How much hours a day would I need to make consistent progresses?

Would boxing fuck up my wrists or hands somehow?

>>8024388
Possibly. Do you want to be a good boxer?

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>>7987435
is "pyw" a genuine counterargument or just deflection?

feel free to elaborate

>>8025065
pyw

>>8025065
depends on the context.
if you make a claim about your work, anons will want to see proof.
if you suggest some advice or method anons would like to see if you can walk the walk or if you're just theory-crafting some random method with no experience actually implementing it.

>>8025065
It’s usually genuine. If you make a claim about drawing techniques, how to learn to draw, etc, then you should be able to back it up.
I think “pyw” is a lame comeback against someone who’s criticizing the quality of someone else’s art though. Even someone who doesn’t draw at all can tell when someone else’s work sucks or not

>have 'tism face blindness
>physically unable to tell if a character still looks like recognisable as the same person when I draw them from a different angle or with a different expression
What do?

>>8025065
It's just a form of bait. They are just saying that you suck and have no clue what you are talking about. And if you post your work and are better than them, then they will simply act like you suck.

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>>8025065
it's sad that pyw is associated with bait
anons shouldn't be afraid to post their work, no matter the skill level or whatever opinions they hold
here are some of the things I've drawn this month

This thread really got vampirized by the Water Cooler threads. Now everyone just asks stupid questions in the water cooler instead of here.

>>8025544
And then wonder why there is talentless shitstains on the board. Be honest at least
>>8018538
If you meet a book to hold your hands ask yourself some good questions

>>8025544
The problem is if your work is actually good you risk ending up BTFO of the asker, which creates vendetta faggotry and seething jealousy wherein the poster will follow your art around to endlessly schizo out about your art being ai traced and bad.

>>8025654
that may be true, but it would be a rarity if the board culture were to post work more often
it's also evident that the ai tracing/copying accusations mostly come from nodraws trying to dunk on better artists, so their effect is quite limited

>>8025678
Just stop using AI fag

>>7987576
Go play a ero game or eroge with tags you like. Read books, watch movies.
Then think deep about what you like and the movies, games, animes... And so on that do what you like in a way you want to emulate.

For me, the desire to create OCS came from wanting to create certain nsfw stuff but finding fan art limiting because nsfws without a bit of storytelling is mid at best and gets boring pretty fast. Storytelling is the thing that makes anything hit harder, many erogames and eroges I played would be mid at best if I only saw the CGS or animation outside of the context of the story. My favorite scenes were drawn by high /begs/

>>8025682
stop wasting time with witch hunts and post your work anon

>>8001290
Perspective

>>8016867
Anything but reading How to Draw or krenz, huh

>>8025687
No u

Recommended watercolor brush brands for a noob? I'm looking for a something around size 2 to paint hard edges on 5x7 paper, and to complement my 9.

>>8025993
so fucking fire

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how does one give digital art that "low quality scan" look

When people say to "Do Loomis" or another highly recommended book, do they mean to copy every single drawing and do every exercise in it?

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Couldn't find any general art resources thread except for the video and artbook one, so:
Is there any upload of this?
>https://cubebrush.co/teambradley/products/olb5a/fundamentals-basic-forms
I don't want to sign up, I don't want to register and just want this one thing.

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Trying to figure out how to achieve this shading effect and can't figure it out. I don't want to ask what brush but I fear that may be the question

.>>8027076
Think more follow along I don't think any artbook asks you to copy the illustrations just do the step by step.

>>7987435
How do you learn to copy what you see? The more I do it, the more feels impossible, especially when I am doing figure drawing, I constantly mess up where pelvis, torso, neck, and shoulder are actually placed in spece.

>>8028644
>How do you learn to copy what you see?
Go to the /beg/ thread OP and follow the links to an accuracy guide. I like the Dorian Iten one. It really helps to learn to shift your focus for different details to check against and keep yourself on track.
>I constantly mess up
Everyone does, get used to it. Keep correcting until you get there.
The other thing to keep in mind is that you only need perfect accuracy when you are training accuracy. When drawing figures, you don't have to copy. You can analyze, interpret, and recreate it. And you will often need to, because what we see doesn't always translate well into a drawing, or it's not precisely the way we want it to look.
If you're interested in more on that, Vilppu talks about it a lot. The links in the /beg/ OP or the board sticky have links to some of his lectures, I think.

How do I work up the courage to murder myself dead?

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Whats the consensus on using blender scene models for reference. I just learned this shit and I feel like I should have done it years ago, but at the same time, it kinda seems like cheating somehow.

My set opinion is its fine, but just wondering what others think about it.

>>8028644
1. PYW for a better answer.

2. The real and true answer to what you're asking is measurement, like grids and sight-size.

3. The next part is a bit useless if you don't understand the anatomy, especially for the neck and shoulders because there are multiple bones and muscles involved that if you don't know how they're binded together, they just magically float around - hence they'll look wrong when you draw them. I remember having trouble with all these areas, even though I knew the anatomy, but the thing I was missing was...

4. ...an understanding of landmarks, relative proportions, general alignments & range of movement of joints. Ask AI for lists of these, learn them and try be conscious of them while drawing.
For example, I know that a realistic looking body is about 7.5 heads tall.
The gap between the pubic bone and the solar plexus (centre of the chest , bottom of the breast bone) is about 2 heads tall.
The neck is often about half a head tall.
The insertion of the deltoid on the upper arm horizontally aligns with the male nipple
The wrist falls in line with the greater trochanter (where thigh joins pelvis) which also sits on the pubic bone.

You might have learned this already, but this kind of knowledge is what you need when you draw in perspective or with complex poses.

>>8028665
Don't. I love you.

>>8028644
Here is how you copy what you see. On your canvas, draw three parallel horizontal lines. The top line represents the top of your reference. The bottom line represents the botom of your reference image. The third line is the midline, which as you might guess represents the midpoint of your reference image. You now have three points of reference when drawing. Check your drawing frequently against these points, and take your time while drawing. Speed will come with practice, but you need to draw with patience and intention in the beginning.

So what's the ultimate path for learning perspective, assuming you have infinite free time?

Currently looking at whether i should do Erik Olsen's Linear Perspective or Scott Robertson (also got video accompanying the chapters).

I feel to dumb to learn from books alone; I need video and exercises to hold my hand...

By the way, how much is perspective even used when dealing with foreshortening single figures. Is your average artist thinking of "this arm goes to the viewer in an 30 degree angle, so it needs to be shortened by so-and-so-much"? Or does everyone just do foreshortening just by what feels right

I see some gook artists are starting their figure drawing by putting down a perspective grid and designing their figures like cars, that seems a bit much - but shouldn't you be able to do some perspective calculations on your figures and have them line up, in the same way you can check for proper proportions of your figures??

>>8028846
Learning perspective is something people make out to be WAY more complicated than it actually is.

All you need to do is draw from life and draw your immediate surroundings from various angles. As long as you put down your horizon line, place your vanishing points correctly, and keep everything scaled, you'll do just fine. If you do the DSRB exercise of a marker on a glass/plastic viewfinder, it makes this much easier if you're just starting out, especially if you're studying simple forms and 3D objects from around the house.

You should also be drawing simple shapes and grinding lines to make things easier for yourself later on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzg8-njCIm8

>>8028848
>Learning perspective is something people make out to be WAY more complicated than it actually is.
I do agree with this, it’s intrinsically not that complicated and your goal is just to learn to guesstimate anyway, rather than learning the math. But at the same time, a lot of people THINK they’re good at perspective when they’re actually not. They assume they’ve mastered it because they know “closer = bigger”, but then they’re still shit at drawing freehand boxes. So when you’re learning perspective, you need to check yourself with exercises like that to make sure you really understand it and can apply it

>>8028848
Maybe because it is actually hard to learn?
The theory is easy, just a bunch of lines coming from the vanishing points. But in practice who can do it?

>>8028977
>But in practice who can do it?
Kek, good point >>8028293

I started drawing from stuff from reference
I figured that looking at the negative space in a picture lets me correct my drawing and make it more accurate. Is this the right way to do things or is this a bad habit?

>>8029111
it's a tool, like envelopes, grids or plumb lines
all of them help

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Does anyone here jerk off to their own art? I can draw and put effort into an erotic drawing to make it as hot as possible but I can't actually finish to it. I think maybe I enjoy the process of making it but I am seemingly not able to get off to the finished result. I would think it has to do with the fact I'm not particularly good at drawing NSFW as I'm still learning, but I can easily get off to someone else's shitty drawings as long as they have my fetish, so clearly that's not it.

What is a crab

>>8029151
I exclusively fap to my own art. In order to fap I have to draw something.

>>7987435
I might start a patreon in the future and i plan on using audio from copyrighted material in my animation clips posted there.

To avoid being reported/sued, would a workaround be simply posting the animation with no audio, then underneath it posting a catbox link of the animation with audio?

>>8029120
But do you use them when drawing from imagination?

>>8029164
you apply the proportions and shapes you learned from observation
but the first step is to draw while looking (and the tools mentioned are useful for that)

/ic/ how do I learn to paint? I've been doing art my whole life and even taken color theory in college and I never learned to actually paint, I just fake it occasionally. I can cell shade, color and pencil shade but it's all line art and bullshit - I want to paint for real, give objects weight and light. Pls help.

>>8028664
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>>8028680
And how this will help when drawing from imagination or simply recalling?
When I do it from memory, I have the same problems and also completely nullify any dynamism on the pose (like there was an angle/twist/contrapposto, which now disappeared).

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>>8026835
turn up jpeg compression or add noise depending on the look you want. you can reduce resolution and then re-enlarge as info is lost.

>>8028644
two parts:
1. your hand needs to do what you want it to, this is why you do drawing exercises drawing the circle 100 times or whatever. it's like learning writing when you were a kid.
2. you need to see what you see and not what your brain thinks it is. don't draw an eye as an eye draw it as a series of shapes. turning the reference upside down can help but divorcing what you really see from what you know it is helps. this is basically "drawing on the right side of the brain"

>>8028397
it's what I'd call crayon or sponge effect layering. you could do it manually (like soft eraser maybe) but it's going to be more like pointillism than painting and definitely not worth the effort.

>>8028680
>he doesn't use a full grid like we all learned in 3d grade

>>8029173
https://youtu.be/Wy_4g-jTkgY?t=600

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>>8029180
can you not imagine contrapposto? you draw what you imagine. are you even drawing life sketches to be concerned about such things or just trying to have pose be part of an otherwise flat model?

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>>8029201
I understand both color and light and rendering from a technical standpoint. Shading and shadow are part of technical illustration but when it comes to painting values for well painting is where I'm lost.

>>8029208
there's a progression
here it's shown for portraits, but it's applicable to most subjects
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfCF-bNjlGU

>>8029180
>And how this will help when drawing from imagination or simply recalling?
What does that have to do with advice for copying what you see? Those are different skills.
Although in the case of my answer >>8028664 to analyze, interpret, and recreate instead of copying, that does help. If you understand the structure of your subject you can develop it any way you like.
>there was an angle/twist/contrapposto, which now disappeared
You need more practice with forms. The first few chapters of the Vilppu drawing manual are dedicated to that. Drawing spherical and box forms, manipulating them, using overlap to display twists and depth. Then in the next chapters it takes those same forms and develops them into figures.

Where do you find out what to draw?

>>8029412
have you finished your circles yet?

>>8029191
What do you mean by "full grid?" Is that like graph paper? A grid can be helpful when it comes to things like reproducing a work, but too many lines make the end result too mechanical.

>>8028644
You start with things other than people. It's the hardest subject

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>>8029448
have you seriously never done grid copy?

>>8029433
No?

>>8029464
I've just never heard it referred to as "full grid." It's weird phrasing.

>>8029153
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crab_mentality

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>>8029471
the full grid as opposed to three lines implying those lines are just part of the grid method, like "why not just draw a full grid", it's not called "Full Grid"

>>8029470
well, draw more circles.

>>8029180
>I put the pelvis, neck and shoulders in the wrong place
> WHERE DID THE DYNAMISMISMISM GO?! THE CONTRAPASTA!
I don't even know what contrapposto is, but If you cant copy what you see, meaning draw something directly from reference, how would you ever expect to be able to draw it from imagination? How do you think drawing works exactly? How do you think learning works?

Like, I was about to give you a serious answer by reading between the lines of what you're saying, but it's painfully obvious that you're a beg trying to get fast results.

The only answer you need is to pick up any art book on figure drawing, try Morpho's Simplified Forms, and just trace the illustrations for now. Believe it or not, you will likely learn a lot from that. I won't outline what exactly you'll learn because it seems you'll let it fly over your head.
Sorry to be harsh, but If you're not interested in learning (memorising) constructive frameworks and simple forms mannequinizations - AS A MEANS TO LEARN AND RECALL how to draw figures - then you will simply continue to draw spaghetti people.

PYW if you're serious about wanting help. I will try to give you genuine advice.

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>>8021263
Make sure "Continuous Spraying" is off. If not, turn off starting and ending settings at the bottom of the settings list.

>>8021701
Lately it's been the case that I can't draw unless im sleep deprived. Thats the only time my brain stops criticizing every strokes and just flows automatically.

>>8028397
Played with various brushes and the best I could find is the airbrushes with Airbrush Soft High Density Grainy being the best.

>>8029555
>it's painfully obvious that you're a beg trying to get fast results
Yea... No... I also knew already all the answers received

>>8029692
Unless you post your work you're going to get canned responses, dum-dum.

>>8016867
drawing is simple but you have to make it mysterious and complicated to sell courses and get jewtube views

>>8029809
So simple that almost no one can do it

>>8016867
In theory, what he is doing may help you to reorient a drawing. That triangle at left is the intended point of view for the second drawing. The vertical ochre line at left is the intended picture plane for the second drawing, seen edge-on. By tracing lines of sight from the point of view through key parts of the first figure and onto the picture plane, he can locate the vertical positions of those elements in the second sketch.

For example, a line drawn from the POV through the elbow will reveal where on the picture plane that elbow appears (vertically). He can then draw a horizontal line to the new sketch and the elbow should appear at that height. Note that as drawn, he gets no horizontal information using this process.

He is making such a complete fucking mess of it as to render the lesson more harmful than useless. He's scaling the new figure up. He's not bothering to sight the heights of elements onto the picture plane properly. He's trying to demonstrate a process and at the same time ignoring that process.

In short, there is nothing for you here. Don't waste your time with it.

>>8029567
rebind the undo combo and live with your lines like a trad artist

>>8019646
nature is not symmetric, faces are not supposed to be symmetric

>>8018002
read the last chapter of the second book and spoil the ending. protip: firestar dies.

>>8030104
Not wrong. Thanks.

Where do I start if I want to learn to draw hair? Any tips or anything?

>>8030207
Don't try to draw every individual strand
It takes FOREVER

>>8030207
Many manga drawing books simplify the subject nicely:
-treat hair as tresses, groups of hairs that flow together in same direction
-consider how they are anchored to the head, and how they flow from there
-work the head in sections, back, middle, and front; you can sometimes treat them as layers

Here is a whole pile of such books:
https://e-hentai.org/tag/how+to

Here's a direct link to the hair section of one book in particular:
https://e-hentai.org/s/e5e7c67898/4018276-27