>>7997594
The earliest sign is being able to copy from reference accurately. Next is whether they intuitively understand appeal and composition.

Adolf Hitler, like many artists of history (Van Gogh, for example), was a wonderful artist who was a victim of his circumstances. If he didn't live in a jew-infested and controlled world (like we do right now) his work could've reached the heavens and gone down in history as a great master. But alas, we live in a world of ugliness where beauty is demonized and fighting back is looked down upon. History only hates him because he fought back

>>7997650
son

>>7997650
Trvke

>>7997650
van gogh was literally the opposite of hitler, a total irredeemable spoiled loser whose legacy is solely due to jews memeing his worthless shitstains

>>7997650
>we live in a world of ugliness where beauty is demonized and fighting back is looked down upon
This is absolutely true

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>>7997594
As with everything in life, it's graded on a curve.

His peer competition at the time was pretty fierce, architectural drawings like this would've been compared to others at the time like Otto Wagner, who was drawing and then architecting the actual IRL buildings that looked like this.

>>7997650
Hitler probably drew better than most people on /ic/, and people who pretend his art wholly lacked merits are huffing copium but he sure as fuck wasn't drawing or designing better than Otto and in life that's how it goes. It's harsh but normal.

> History only hates him because he fought back
Hitler's hated because a stymied artist is a fairly normal thing, most peole don't feel the need to throw a
>kill a few million people
sulk party. If we all lived by that standard, we'd all be long dead from failout music school wannabes whose soundcloud career didn't make grade.

>>7997741
>Hitler lashed out because he didn't get into art school
He wrote an entire book about why he did it bro. The idea that it was a tantrum because he didn't get into art school is just bizarre.

>>7997741
eg compare with the wagner work and note the half dozen ways Wagner is flexing, it's an absolute mog
>A full intricate foreground palazzo complete with two intricated posed figure works
>complex floor perspective detailing and foreground pillaring
>Full translucent cloth physics on both
plant physics on the creeping vines, paper physics in the foreground
>dozens of realistic middle ground figures
>painstakingly intricately detailed background building with extremely complicated curved and angular perspective in the wide
>fully realistic and realizeable building design
>realistic light and shadow and EXQUISITE master line work

Compare with Hitler's
>mostly rectangular building
>dollhouse-styled figurines
>vaguely impressionistic on all of the details on everything
>unappealing and lnconsistently shaded mustard yellow (eg the lamp post doesn't cast a shadow but the figures do)
And it's an absolute mog

>>7997756
There's what you say, and how you live. You think he does it if he got into art school? I don't.
>o

>>7997760
>>7997741
Why do people compare Hitler's paintings to those of accomplished professional artists to judge his talent ? Otto Wagner got into the Vienna Fine Art academy and received formal training, which Hitler never had. They're not peers.
If you want to compare them, you should compare with what Wagner drew *before* he was trained.

>>7997741
>we all lived by that standard, we'd all be long dead from failout music school wannabes whose soundcloud career didn't make grade.
we need less humans thoughbeit. we need more hitlers, wether you like it or not. its a dirty job. covid? what a joke. was getting my hopes up for nothing. i'm bettint everything on jews right now, they dont seem to care starting the next big thing

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>>7997741
>Hitler probably drew better than most people on /ic/
most of /ic/ wouldn't get into the fucking vienna academy either
also, he sucked
>>7997786
we do that all the time every time the bait image is posted, hitler is absolutely mogged by schiele and other students whose work before enrollment we have

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>>7997788
Hitler killed millions of white people, we don't need less of those.

>>7997794
Why do filipinos breed like crazy?

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>>7997793
So I cent to look it up. Here's what Schiele did before enrolling.
Frankly it's not much better.

>>7997741
>Hitler probably drew better than most people on /ic/, and people who pretend his art wholly lacked merits are huffing copium
Most people on /ic/'s work wholly lacks merit.
In fact, I doubt most people on /ic/ even draw more than 5 hours a week, if that.
Hitler competing with the average gooner on a permabeg board is arguably a harsher criticism that saying he was a shit artist.

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>>7997801
Another one

>>7997801
>>7997804
that's schiele at 16, the other is hitler at 19

>>7997801
>>7997804
>not much better
Retard.

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>>7997786
Most of his early work didn't survive, but found one from Otto 1867 from when he was 27

>>7997812
>1967
sure doesn't look like a 7, more like 2

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>>7997786
>>7997812
By comparison, here's one of Hitler's watercolors at 27.

Obviously different style and medium, and obviously by this point otto's a few years out of school and adolf isn't, but pretty much
>from the very first moment we can compare the two's work at a similar age publicly, it nevertheless is still a brvtal mogging

>>7997815
The museum claims 67, so if it is 62 and they're retarded, that's actually really damning because that'd be his work while IN architectural school, meaning he either got that good that fast, or Otto mostly already showed up that good, and in either case, the school would've been thinking about that when thinking about hitler some time later.

>>7997594
Threadly reminder those outlier well done scenic paintings are his postcard copies, his original works are the mediocre paintings and his wartime sketches

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kek if he was alive today, he'd be posting with >>7993950

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>>7997831
wrong pic

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this one's actually cool

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more SOVL

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more cartoony stuff, 1915

>2020+
>>7997594
>???: this fucker mess up paetron reward for 3 month, should i unsubscribe him?

>>7997650
There's literally nothing impressive or beatiful about copying photographs like a soulless printer
Fuckin delusional begtard LOL

>>7997594
Look at his painting of the Madonna. Beautiful piece. Kikes and their degenerate gollems have been lying for years. Fuck the great Satan

>>7997594
In a parallel universe Hitler could be posting on /ic/ and everyone will glaze him and be a popular namefag.

>>7997594
This painting is one of his more decent work. If you check others, you'll see that he doesn't really know perspective. And the human-hatred issue is even more apparent. Hitler should have copied Bridgman twice.

So it's not really about the unseen subjective "it" factor. Hitler sucks at drawing, technically.

>>7997650
Lmao he simply lacked originality.

>>7997802
Most people on /ic/ who can actually draw don’t want to be recognized so they’re indistinguishable from beg anons talking shit without showing work

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>>7997963
It's a big cope, especially for /ic/ where everyone tries to be a mangaka or concept artist, or production artist. Clearly plenty of people don't seek originality, they just want to draw stuff they want. People want to draw pretty things.
If we'd judge an artist by the mentality of art collectors and gallery managers, 99% artists would be filtered and 109% of highly skilled masters with them. Originality is a small aspect of art - one few really care about. It's also strange to judge someone with no formal training, or any training at all, who was so poor on top of it that he couldn't compete on volume and material quality either. The man simply wanted to go to study fine arts and already mogged everyone who now graduates from top US MFA programmes.

>>7997946
He'd post in progress threads.

>>7997594
if it makes you feel something. hitlers paintings arent technical enough to be impressive and always choose a poor subject. the only one i like is the hallway one. i hate to say it but art is 90% subject matter.

>>7997812
Did he freehand this or cheat with rulers?
smhmh

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I like this simple one

>>7998062
The aura of the artist is 50% of it

crazy how even some art school reject mogs 99% of people here

>>7998041
The last one is a postcard copy, which was how he earned his living and why there are instances of multiple copies of the exact same image. Hitler couldn't paint living beings to save his life

>>7998088
But it's not a simple art school??? It's the academy of applied arts he applied to

>>7998088
he applied to the most prestigous art school and lost his paintings on the train so he had to submit sketches. he probably would have got in anywhere else but was an egomaniac. it was probably a good thing for him too. he would have been a loser incel nobody in art school, atleast he got the recognition he desperately wanted in the end

>>7998164
the train thing is a cope, he applied twice and was sent away both times
just like the beer hall putsch and invasion of ussr, the delusional retard thought he would just stroll in and the universe would provide because muh aryan spirit
honestly, it's a miracle he survived the first war

>>7998065
If I give you a ruler and a building like that, am I gonna get an output at least that good, or some limped-dicked free-hand pomo mess?

>>7998165
he might have had a crazy experience in the war that everybody in the party knew about, but it didnt surface because it would have been damaging to hitler politically

and said experience made him believe in deliverance

>>7998171
If I give you a picture and you can't copy it, you don't draw.

>>7998241
>can
sure. That wasn't the standard, it was THAT GOOD, and I see that lump in your throat, because you fucking know the answer is
>Even with a ruler,
>maybe even with a photo (which otto almost certainly didn't have)
>I'm not getting that.
It's okay. Many such cases here, it's stellar work.

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>an architect didn't have a ruler and didn't use it on an architectural drawing prominently displaying an architectural material grid
The shit you read on this board, holy fuck

>>7997832
>>7997841
>>7997844
>>7997849
Dude didn't need technical instruction so much as therapy so that he could find his creative center.
The whole, "Mayb if he hadn't been such a shitty artist," thing is dumb, he and the people who helped push him to power after dropping him into a shitty adolescence that embittered him to peace were products of a broken and dysfunctional (European, white or otherwise) society.

>>7997801
that is a lot better than Hitler lol.

>>7997594
>>7998041
really seems like his weakest was the basic 3d spatial sense
everything's misaligned and vanishing points never match
other stuff are decent but..
that is one of the most important thing

>>7998305
>The whole, "Mayb if he hadn't been such a shitty artist," thing is dumb
It was never about him being a shitty artist, that's just another symptom of his unearned sense of grandeur and entitlement
>I deserve to be in the most prestigious art academy despite my total lack of technical skill because muh feefees and no, I will not spend a year with one of the multitude of artists preparing would-be students for the exam, fuck you, manifest destiny or something
Literally everything he fucked up and everything wrong his character boils down to that, he was just a delusional butthurt dweeb with his head up his ass. All his shortcomings lie squarely with him.

>>7997801
Schiele was an actual artist. hitler was a postcard illustrator at best

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>>7997801
fella is seriously comparing Schiele with Hitler

>>7998361
>All his shortcomings lie squarely with him.
I understand why you'd insist this, but you're still wrong.

>>7997794
This image really puts things into perspective.
The great civilization that's building up in Africa is western foreign aid welfare niggers.

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>>7998339

>>7998553
Beats basically all of current /ic/. Conceptart era /ic/ was more skilled, though.

>>7998165
I think losing your portfolio on the way to university/your job is a pretty big deal and a valid cope.

It's crazy how selective universities used to be. Today he'd get into any programme.

>>7998557
He unironically wouldn't get into the academy in my 300k pop backwater, the entry exam basically props up an entire industry for former students running prep schools solely to prepare applicants for the exam. Even if he got past the portfolio stage, there's no way in hell he'd pass the live portrait and figure drawing parts of the exam.

>>7997804
You will notice that a dude "before enrolling into the academy" already had a stylized professional signature.

Anyone who has ever chicken scratched will never be good. Anyone who has engaged in symbol drawing will never be good.