>>7999530
Nah, you can draw that badly even if you understand forms. Anyone can learn observational drawing and if you put in the work, constructive drawing too. A common problem that ateliers and online courses frequently commit is that they don't usually stress drawing from memory and drawing from imagination enough.

You can be a human printer and have the skill to copy anything, but it doesn't mean much if you don't take the time to build a visual library AND be able to retrieve it from your memory. That is its own skill.

>>7999530
>kangaroo-gate was 12 years ago

>>7999530
We all "understand" forms to some degree, just as we all understand physics to some degree. Babies know to stop at a ledge before they could articulate the theory of gravity, and non-artists can tell when a drawing feels off due to bad forms.
Drawing is mainly a problem of methodology, process, and hierarchy. These are the things you're actually building and refining when people say words like "mileage."

>>7999530
Someone explain this thing to me. I've seen it around so many times but never bothered to really look into where that ugly fucking thing is from.

>>7999598
lurk moar

>>7999539
How would you tech those skills?

>>7999598
Proko kangaroo meme. He tried to draw a kangaroo from imagination, and that was the result.

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>>7999530
Added some shading

>>7999637
How the fuck is that a kangaroo lmao

>>7999539
>You can be a human printer and have the skill to copy anything, but it doesn't mean much if you don't take the time to build a visual library AND be able to retrieve it from your memory. That is its own skill.
no its not its own skill you absolute mongoloid it goes hand in hand. you start with observing and than memory, just like in school you copy a text to learn spelling and grammar and then you get a text thats dictated. the issue is that if you stop at the basics. one is study and one is recalling the study. and thats a lot of shit to study, everything in existence you will never stop. have you ever drawn a stickbug? a mandrill? how about the new and ugly BMW M5? draw me an ancient greek kithara now.

good luck studying forever.

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>>7999530
My favorite parts of this whole kangaroo situation is that it made Proko aware of 4chan and that he set ou on a Journey to learn to draw from imagination from Kim Jung Gi.
A lot of /BEG/ back then didn't know that drawing from observation and from imagination are completely different types of drawing, and they require different skills.
>>7999539
There's a video course from SVS that the art instructor use construction drawing to draw a Kangaroo from imagination and they nail it, they even make fun of Proko...

>>7999637
Drawing from memory is pretty simple. If you're studying something like an apple, you want to take your time observing it and then making lots of drawings. Then you draw it from memory, and you compare the results.

Drawing from imagination is drawing from memory but taken to the next level. You have to:

>be able to draw simple forms in various angles from memory
>be able to quickly break down subjects into forms
>constantly draw from life

>>7999667
>A lot of /BEG/ back then didn't know that drawing from observation and from imagination are completely different types of drawing, and they require different skills.
gee, I wonder if that had something to do with the biggest drawing teacher on the internet telling them that

>>7999539
>Anyone can learn observational drawing
100% wrong. Just look in /beg/
>You can be a human printer and have the skill to copy anything, but it doesn't mean much if you don't take the time to build a visual library AND be able to retrieve it from your memory
I've literally never met anyone that could photocopy a reference and wasn't at least decent at drawing from memory. This is a complete myth. And I don't believe the proko thing. It was either a stunt for attention or he has aphantasia or whatever. It's just not possible to have practiced construction as much as him and not at least approximate a kangaroo.

>>7999908
Nah, the reason why /beg/ is filled with people who can't hack it at observational drawing is because they're morons who:

>spend more time looking at their drawing than observing their subject/reference
>don't draw consistently
>too retarded to understand continuous line drawing

There are plenty of examples of human copy machines who can't draw from memory, particularly hyperrealistic/naturalist portrait artists who populate Facebook or are random people from third world countries who boomers jerk off as being "talented'.

>>7999860
>Drawing from memory is pretty simple
Yea, sure... So, drawing in general is easy for everyone then.

>>8000057
It is, the problem is that most people don't want to actually THINK and do the laborious aspect of it. You would not believe how many kids I've worked with get upset when I tell them how long it takes to master drawing or how much dedicated time it takes to make improvements.

Anyone can draw but not everyone is going to because people would rather make excuses.

>>7999872
Hi Proko.

We will bully Proko till the end of multiverse

>>8000118
>I can't draw anything.
>About 3,000 hours over six years.
Still not enough?

>>8000655
No shit that's not enough! That means you've been drawing for 90 mins on average every single day for 125 days. You've only drawn for a third of a year!

You should have increased the amount of time spent drawing daily. What have you been doing this whole time? Are you even studying correctly?

>>7999667
He thinks that he can just "laugh it off". Respect and prestige are not laughing matters Stan. Once you let that shit step inside your pretty garden, it's all over for your pretty flowers. Those who play with fire get burn. To name "4chan" like that in your channel was a stupid and retarded mistake. This site is a hub for the worst scum, pedos, racists, criminals, unhinged crazy lunatics and you just named it like it was nothing. That was stupid.

>>8000667
>>8000662

>>8000677
Here's what you need to work on, anon.

>increase your average daily time spent drawing from 90 mins to 120+
>You need to spend more time observing your references/subject. Start off small (1 minute), then gradually increase your time spent drawing.
>You need to draw from memory in order to make your studies stick.
>It's good that you're studying shapes and forms so obsessively, but you need to move on to drawing from life.

Here's the process that's worked for me:

>Step 1: Pick a specific subject and draw it from memory as best as you can. Aim for at least ten drawings from various angles.
>Step 2: Grab references of your subject from various angles, then trace them (break them down into shapes and forms). Note: this step is mainly for digital art and if you're working with photographs.
>Step 3: Make a few copies of your references but do not look at your paper as you do it.
>Step 4: Draw from memory, and compare the results.
>Step 5: Make a few copies again while glancing at your paper as you draw.
>Step 6: Draw from memory and compare the results.
>Repeat Steps 3-6.

You then pick a new subject (that's connected to your previous subject) to draw the following day. At the end of the week, you draw something that combines everything you've studied together.

If you want to get better at drawing people, you could do something like this:

>Sun: Skeleton
>Mon: Clothed people
>Tues: Clothing
>Wed: Athletes
>Thurs: Figure Skaters/Ballerinas
>Fri: Anatomy (nudes)
>Saturday: a clothed human body in action