I DON’T WANT TO GO BACK TO WAGING I WANT TO DRAW AAAAAAAAAA

>>8005541
i am about to draw some japanese sluts and level up

I study the same exact pose, get no social media clicks. Someone else studies the same exact ref, 15k+ likes. I'm so mad being invisible.

I'm tired all the time, probably because of my (medicated) depression and (unmedicated, for now) ADHD. That's the biggest challenge I have to face in my adult life, having to manage energy on top of fulfilling my obligations. It's really hard, I often want to cry, but drawing makes me happy, and maybe I should be satisfied with that instead of chasing mastery and success that I can't realistically obtain

I don't feel like scanning my doodles and studies anymore even if they're good. I'm so tired.

>>8005569
I feel ya. In my case it's work and collage, and having to take care of myself and pets everyday. My family keeps coming over or forcing me to socialise, but I'm so tired boss. It's August and I haven't stopped working or studying, I still have tests to fix. Drawing is comfy when I have time

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Can you get 800-1000 USD per month doing art with just a few thousands followers on social media? I've heard the only semi-guaranteed way to do this is catering to niche specific extreme and/or autistic fetishes, but I sadly care about my dignity

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>>8003770
>The worst part is how people treat it as if you don't care or aren't trying or lazy
>Or that your mood swings or depression is just you being rude or unreasonable
I get that a lot too. Normals often just can't comprehend what it's like to have your brain physically broken in some way that leaves you dysfunctional without outwardly being an arm flapping retard, and frankly how could they? The thought that your very will and personality is at the mercy of your physicality is existentially disturbing, and we don't really show any visible outward signs of mental dysfunction or retardation- because ADHD by definition is quite literally just that, the result of a dysfunctional, underdeveloped, or damaged frontal lobe. It actually is possible to develop it as the result of a traumatic brain injury, fun fact. ADHDtards are statistically shown to have lower IQ on average, and I've heard that it's estimated that as much as 40% of the felon population has ADHD. If, like you or I, am blessed with having at least average IQ despite that, we're essentially normally intelligent people stuck with the retard brain of the people of Empire of Dust, sans the fuel theft (probably), with the cognitive ability to despise ourselves for our inability to function like normal people. Then on top of that, that brain dysfunction often causes or is accompanied by other fun stuff like autism or bipolar disorder, if it weren't already bad enough. ADHD is an almost invisible curse and scourge on its sufferers and by extension upon the society they live in. It doesn't help our case when there are people who use it as an excuse or even fake it to shirk responsibility for their bad behavior, or those who enable said people, rather than seeing it as an obstacle to be overcome and a problem to be solved. I actually hate the enablers and the fags who see it as a quirk chungus sparkledog le ditzy genius character trope far more than I do the merely ignorant.

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>>8003770
On having to actually deal with it, I've been managing the bipolar disorder myself with low dose lithium, which thankfully can be bought OTC as a supplement. I take about half the mg/kg therapeutic dose of elemental lithium in the form of lithium orotate- lithium carbonate, which is what doctors typically prescribe, can only be acquired through prescription. Actually, I take less, as I adjusted for the purported higher absorption rate of orotate, just for caution's sake. I might be retarded, but I'm not stupid enough to try taking full prescription doses of lithium, because high dose lithium absolutely can wreck your kidneys. Thankfully low dose lithium is both a valid treatment strategy used by doctors and also, according to all the studies I could find on the subject, considered to be risk free to the kidneys. And it actually did work. Ironically, this did end up making things both better and worse for me, as while I wasn't suffering from as severe depression anymore, or the mixed episode anxiety, it also basically eliminated the hypomanic episodes which were largely responsible for my ability to function through the horrific things that gluten was doing to me.

>>8005862
After fixing that I found that the bipolar symptoms were pretty easy to deal with in their reduced state. At worst I might feel a little shitty and depressed for a few days after I push myself and don't get enough sleep. If professional treatment isn't an option for you for whatever reason, and if you can possibly get your hands on lithium supplements, they absolutely can take the edge off. Just be extremely, EXTREMELY cautious about it and go for as low a dose as you can possibly get away with. The name of the game is to reduce the severity to the point that you can manage it better, typically with good sleep habits. Since bipolar disorder is connected with the mechanism in your brain that's responsible for your circadian rythms and your seasonal energy levels, you can reduce it even further with a good sleep regimen. St. John's Wort also helps with the depression too, but you have to be careful with that as well as it can trigger mania, and as a monoamine oxidase inhibitor it prevents the breakdown of serotonin, something that lithium also raises. It also has a really long half life of one to two days, another thing to watch out for. The recommened 3x a day dose of 300 mg each on my St. John's Wort bottle was actually too much for me typically post-lithium as it tended to make me hypomanic and impulsive. L-theanine is also an incredible supplement that can reduce anxiety and calm you down. Pairs great with caffeine to prevent jitters and hyperactivity while still giving you energy.

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>>8005868
Keep in mind that this testimonial is coming from another dysfunctional retard on 4chan, so take it with a huge grain of salt. Do your own research extensively, be as risk averse and do as little as you can possibly get away with, and if you aren't comfortable with the risks then just don't take them. I only did so because I felt that I had no other choice at the time. Even though I do live in America, I was just simply too dysfunctional to get myself to a doctor to get it treated. On the typical 1-3 days a week I could function adequately I just wanted to make money or enjoy my fleeting mental clarity and sanity, and those days were typically some degree of manic which didn't help with the ADHDtardation. To my retard brain, self treatment was much easier to do than jumping through the hoops it would take to get some kind of insurance and find a healthcare provider and all that crap, and my parents, as I stated before in my first post, did nothing with my diagnosis and said nothing about it for 15-20 years. I'm also pretty sure my dad is an ADHDtard like me, just undiagnosed and unaware of it, who is hopelessly addicted to alcohol and watching movies and is, unfortunately, an absentee parent whether living with us or not. I actually did try speaking to a doctor about it when I had to go to the emergency room due to a gallstone- extremely painful by the way, don't recommend it- and they were extremely skeptical and dismissive, which didn't really help my inability to trust other people to help.

>>8005758
What a cute doodle, makes me mad that people on this board don't react to drawings. I hope you're sharing your art outside of this place, too.

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>>8005841
I understand being frustrated at the lack of compassion for your situation, but you also need to understand that the situation from the outside-in is also extremely frustrating. Can't ask for anything. Can't count on them to deliver when they promise something. Need to take everything they say with a mountain of salt. Disappear for months.
My life choices put me in contact with a lot of the functional-but-mentally-ill and it takes so much patience to accommodate their constant retardations and most of them act entitled to it instead of appreciating how much effort it takes from me.

>>8005841
>>8005569
I'm not ADHD (I got autism) but my mom is ADHD and I've worked with special needs kids in my career.

The single best thing you can do for ADHD is to overhaul your diet. Ditch processed foods and cut out corn syrup, foods with dyes, and unnatural sources of sugar. Aim for a diet rich in protein and fat (nuts and seeds). Eat lots of fruits and vegetables. Breakfast should be the biggest meal of the day. Avoid alcohol, soda, energy drinks, coffee, cigarettes, etc. Do not skimp out on sources of B12 like seaweed (which also has iodine!) and milk and broccoli, and Vitamin C from non-sugary juice and oranges and berries, etc. Start taking magnesium glycinate capsules (1-3 daily depending on your vitals) and Vitamin D3.

Lion's mane mushroom supplements and Greek/high-fat yogurt are key to fixing your gut bacteria.

You can lower your stress levels with Bach Rescue Pastilles.

Depression is for the most part, a meme, at least for Americans. Not enough people are getting enough D3, potassium, magnesium, and B12.

>>8005756
It's possible but a bit tricky if you're not exploiting fandoms or current trends.

why is pinterest so fucking broken

>draw what i want
>can go for 8 hours straight
>do study
>2 hours in and i already want to kill myself

>buy new enameled palette for my watermedia
>painting surface has tiny spec of exposed metal
JUST FUCK MY SHIT UP

>>8006350
Same, studies are so fucking brutal and stressful

I have a stalker hater now, simply because I ignored their request to draw their waifu on a drawthread
What do?

>>8006509
No such thing as bad press. Take pleasure in your newfound popularity

>brain when drawing for 30 minutes
:(

>brain when gooning for 2 hours
:)

WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY

>>8006509
draw their waifu. you had time to make that post you could have drawed

>>8005541
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBhL7rQ0PAU

>>8006616
But I don't want to

sometimes I doddle shit for fun without taking too much car about fundies or complexity, these drawings might take somewhere between half an hour to two hours
some people get really upset when I post said doddles and start to hard critique everything about it or trauma dump about me getting lots of attention about these
I dont know how to deal with this situation

In spite of my repeated failures, I still fantasize about how cool it would be to be really good at art… someday…

>>8006320
The thing that throws your gut out the most is the lack of a type of bacteria called L. Reuteri
96% of people in developed countries have killed it out of their gut
You can insta-kill it quite easily simply by taking antibiotics
All mammals have L. Reuteri in every part of their digestive system, and in their mouth and on their skin. Tribal people all have it.
So what happens if you kill it?
A domino effect that affects everything in your body. All meme tier mental health conditions that everyone describes are simply overall brain = not good because overall body = not good. Everybody is obese now, and all the skinny people have crohns or some other bad gut condition. Everybody has sub par health
Just by pure coincidence, 96% of people have wiped out L. Reuteri
So you don't digest anything to 100% max efficiency or value, and you've been doing that for years and years. You can eat poached eggs and salmon for breakfast but it's not 100%. You feel cravings for sugar because you need energy for going to work every day. People get drunk to try and reset their brain from stress and bad bodily states
One person has a painful stomach, another is obese, another has rashes, another has joint pain, all caused by gut health. All of these hard to define mental conditions that never used to exist too

If you buy a yoghurt maker and L. Reuteri capsules you can start eating homemade yoghurt every day to fix it, but it will take a couple of months, probably longer
It's a total game changer that makes people in their 60s lose 40 pounds, gain 10 pounds of muscle, peoples varied health issues start to recede
Store yoghurt and dairy is trash, all of it, ALL of it
Also it can only be called yoghurt legally if it has certain bacteria - L. Reuteri is outside of this classification
So your homemade yoghurt cannot legally be called yoghurt, but you know what it is

>>8006861
What I mean when I say all store yoghurt is trash

The bacteria doubles, it does that self-clone-splitting thing where it just morphs into 2 bacteria - this takes 3 hours
6 hours to get to 4 out of 1
That's all you get from the store. Maybe up to 12 hours if you're lucky and it's some fancy yoghurt, which means 1 into 16

If you make yoghurt in machine at home you can leave it for 36 hours, which is 12 doubling periods of 3 hours
So 1 becomes over 4096 - put it into a calculator and see
So if you've never done this yourself before, you have never eaten real yoghurt. And you've definitely never eaten L. Reuteri yoghurt, because it can't legally be called yoghurt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZV1oYv5Ddo
Dr. Berg and Dr. Davis discussing the situation

>>8006350
i am the opposite, its good when someone else did all the boring composition and (((creative))) shit for me.

>>8006798
honestly i could get as good at drawing as a gpu (like 3d scene in "memory" to the screen you know?) and i still wouldnt have a single crumb of creativity in me

art or anything else isnt going to happen for me, i will die in jail, either of old age or stabbed in a feud.

>>8006861
new snake oil is here buddies, time to lube your ass with yoghust and moon under the sun

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>>8006602
Pornography is ruining your ability to enjoy things. Quit watching it, and you'll see a significant improvement in your life.

i'm trying to keep up with school and work and it feels like tug of war because I can't find that balance to have both of them work

>>8006602
Something else in your life is making you miserable and your brain is reaching for the easiest source of pleasure to ease the pain

>didn't even search for job as an artist
>don't have useful socials or massive amounts of followers
>successful game studio approached me and now I'm working for them
we're all gmi, bros
But also, it's kinda stressful because I want my art to be perfect because seeing something subpar every time I watch a streamer play it will give me existential dread

>>8007026
What studio
Also pyw so we know this isn't larp

>>8007014
you are doing much better than i am by just being involved

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>>8007034
Will post once it's in the game (by next month, game is in EA and constantly updates)
My art looks like this. But it's not the art I'm making for the game

>>8007041
*art style
I meant. The stuff I'm making for the game is closer to >>8007035

>>8007026
Lucky

>>8007045
Only in a way. I'm not one for commissions. I like doing my own stuff. And the work I have to make for the game even requires two of my weak points: humanoid poses and perspective. It's grueling and it feels like I'm bruteforcing everything I make. But it's also fun. The devs are extremely nice and humorous people

>>8007052
Hey anon as long as you're enjoying yourself and making money while you do it. Hopefully I end up in your situation one day

>>8006678
carefree doodles make studycels seethe

I'm working on my illustration but I feel like I always fuck it up somehow. I'll have to power through and finish it, no matter how bad it looks.

>>8007041
Congrats cat anon.

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What do you think of this

>>8007506
terrifying but crude in a somewhat lazy way
But it has potential

does anyone have any experience using patreon as a way to take commissions, how did you do it and what was your experience with it? by that i mean setting up a custom tier and having people pay for it then unsub right after, or maybe using the shop feature?
i know its a convoluted way but i have good reasoning for it

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>>8007328
Thanks! I did mainly come here to vent for a bit though because I never saw myself as working in "the industry"

>>8007590
I did have an Inktober-like tier and people were giving me prompts each month and I worked those into full illustrations. Pic related is the collection of one of the subscribers after a full 12 months. It was very convoluted and involved reminding the people to give me prompts or me saying sorry for delays so it only worked with a few subscribers at a time. You could try something like that and see if anyone even subscribes

>>8007600
Thanks for answering anon, basically my plan is creating a custom tier for them to subscribe and immediately unsubscribe from so that they only pay for a single month. Naturally I'd have them contact me with their idea and approve it first before walking them through that. I was also wondering about using the shop feature Patreon has since it sounds way less scary to clients and easier too, but I have no idea how that works since I've only seen people do the previous method for Patreon commissions. There's very little info on using Patreon for one time payments unfortunately, most of my searches result in R*ddit threads with the same guy every time replying "erm, patreon isn't meant for that, you should use paypal/kofi and dox yourself to your clients..."

I'm doing this cause Patreon seems to be literally the only option for truly anonymous commissions that isn't even MORE convoluted (nobody will want to make an account on any of the other websites that could be used for this, no way in fucking hell they'll be willing to do crypto, etc)

>>8007600
>>8007614
ah, forgot to say, cute kitties btw

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>>8007614
What about Kofi? Also, you shouldn't worry too much about anonymity. (As long as you're not drawing illegal stuff or the weirdest fetishes)
>>8007616
Thanks!

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>>8007618
>What about Kofi?
From what I've been told, Kofi will share some information via an email to whoever pays you, even if you have full privacy settings and everything. Even if you use a (real) PayPal business account to hide your name people can just search up your business on official registries (unless you live in one of THREE states that lets you privately register a business by paying a ton of money, or if you give PayPal fake information to make a business account but I ain't messin' with that no sir.) Plus I've heard that if you do ANYTHING Kofi may even have the slightest problem with, Kofi will take down your account and ALSO report you to whatever payment processor you use, and I really hate that. I haven't heard of Patreon going out of their way to report you to Paypal/Stripe, unlike Kofi.

>Also, you shouldn't worry too much about anonymity. (As long as you're not drawing illegal stuff or the weirdest fetishes)
I'm unfortunately a very private person + I do have delusions of growing moderately big one day and I know that at a certain point you WILL attract some weirdo who wants to get very close to you/dox you even if you draw the tamest stuff. Believe it or not I only draw SFW inoffensive art (I will occasionally draw busty/curvaceous characters but no actual porn/nsfw) and that's what I'll keep doing forever, so it's not like I'm drawing dickshittingnipples porn and trying to hide my shame.

I've just always hated the fact that so many artists are forced to participate in picrel and I refuse to do it myself as much as I can manage. Throughout all my research Patreon is the most accessible yet somehow least convoluted option that shares as little as possible to your clients. I've seen many people, even non artists getting doxxed from using Paypal in the past so I hope you can understand my concerns with it all

>>8007639
>I do have delusions of growing moderately big one day
Unfortunately, chances are significantly lower to make it big if you want to remain completely anonymous. The only defense against weirdo stalkers is to be weirder than them. So always make sure to post unhinged updates on your real life on your socials

>>8007506
I think its cute

>draw for hours
>feel exhausted, want to just give up and enjoy my life
>final result looks like dogshit, completely demotivated, but atleast im done
>playing videogames/at a social event the next day
>entire time thinking about how fun it would be to draw
>cycle repeats
i can't win

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>>8005541
is this behaviour normal for artists who post in social media? i've been wondering if i should unfollow him since every month he's having a mental breakdown for having to draw Asuka in a swimsuit and it getting tiresome

>>8007737
>purging art you never wanted any association with
I can empathize with this, especially for artists that make enough money from their NSFW work to live, but know their passion is in something SFW related.
Unfortunately do bills need to be paid and porn IS a more reliable way to get paid for your art. At least that way they're still working on art skills instead of spending 8 hours a day building skills they have no care for.
>every month he's having a mental breakdown
Sounds like a dumbass if he's verbalizing it that frequently though. Probably sends terrible signals to followers and potential followers that prefer a curated feed.

>>8007041
ah its you, congrats, nice to see a regular finally make it

>>8007737
artists are neurotic individuals, some more than others, some more public about it than others. i personally will always unfollow anybody who does this type of shit unless it's funny to see because it's embarrassing and i hate to support whiny ungrateful faggots who cant learn to keep their mouths shut and just draw

>>8007737
Every artist is mentally ill, without exception. You cannot be sane while committing to art as a profesion.

>>8007737
porn fatigue is real and it doesn't help that every artist is basically coerced into nsfw if they ever want to see a penny because most art consumers who believe themselves to have refined taste only care about porn and nothing else
And he's got a point; gooners were the first to forsake pornfags to go play with the slop generator

Also imagine having to draw the same exact fucking mindless emotionless slop for years for an audience that doesnt respect your work or you and will turn on you the moment you don't want to keep being a free cum-jester for them anymore

artists might be retards
gooners are full on turboautistic hypertrannies

>>8007873
I'm sane! :)

>>8007889
Why?

>>8007874
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>>8007889
pyw

>>8007737
Most people are more retarded than this, but it stings more when you respect someone's craftsmanship, but they're still just a retarded meat puppet.

>>8007737
Looked this guy up and I can't find anything more lewd than some basic pinups, has he actually drawn any porn like his post seems to imply or is it just the same sort of pinups in his regular gallery?

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>>8007751
>>8007874
I get the idea behind it, but he only does pinups, i've never seen him draw porn, just girls in bikini and flavor of the month, so I dont get why every few months he's posting thing like this like he drew bestiality porn or eroguro.

>>8007910
>has he actually drawn any porn like his post seems to imply
never, what you see on his account is what he has always been making, not even in his "uncensored" account.

>>8007874
Uncomfortable trvke.

I hate me and everything I draw how do I stop

>>8007948
Does the media exist to elicit a stimuli of the sexual kind? it's porn.
No sane person gives a shit about autistic dictionary definition.

You can even call food vids food porn even when no one is jamming their dicks in the greasy triple extramax heart attack buttermcburgers

>>8007954
Stop drawing or stop hating?

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porn

>>8008110
is this fish having a good time? I imagine they don't have taste buds, perhaps the sauce will provide a lot of energy for them.

>>8008198
I don't think this fish is alive...

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>ADHD
>Want to improve
>Every now and again I can focus on getting a certain lesson done, feels great everytime it happens and I'm always happy with the result because I at least got to do something and I can tell I'm obviously doing better than what I was doing a year go
>But then suddenly I don't know what I should be working on next, well aware that I wasn't perfect with the last self-lesson and if I should continue working on that or if I should focus on something else
>Instead I get nothing done for a week at a time
>Finally get back to doing things because I really want to draw something
>Try to warm up but it's shit, I forgot everything I did from the last time I drew
>Get demotivated
>Don't draw for a week
>Figure out something I can work on, feel confident, make something I'm happy with
>Another 1 week break from indecision of what to do next
>Cycle repeats
I kind of just want someone to tell me what to do outright, taking lessons seems enticing. I used to be able to slam out commissions in only a few days because I can hyper-focus on it but now I don't do comms between a lack of comm requests and deciding to close them whenever I feel like I should work on myself but now I just don't do anything at all.
Don't tell me how to fix this unless you've been in this position before. Anonymous advice does jack shit unless it's relatable.

>>8008443
i always know what i should do next, doesnt necessarily mean i will do it but still, maybe try turning on your brain.

shoot me in the head

I don't recall this board being so doom and gloom like this, what changed?

>>8008489
AI and overcrowding of internet leading to diminishing opportunities/hope of art as a career. Quality of life taking a nosedive, everything is expensive, pedos have taken over the government and are grifting the country into the dirt. It's so fucking over.

>>8008489
sorry a few other anons and me have been spreading this cancer all over the site, if its an organized effort i am not in on it

yeah what changed recently that impacted the art field as a whole what changed guys

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>>8008490
>>8008492
The self destructive posts are unique to this board in particular, about a month ago I invited someone from /biz/ looking for other drawfags and he told me /ic/ was too unhinged for him and that says a lot coming from someone like him since he's a mod for a big group filled with degenerate gamblers. Pic related turned him off, what's wrong with you fags kek

>>8008490
Yeah pretty much.
>>8008501
>The self destructive posts are unique to this board in particular
No they are not. Some people are just more grounded than others.

>>8008495
AI killed any hopes of doing actual art, it also cemented the nepo babies at art positions they didn't even deserve anyways.
X is full of obvious copies of AI slop pin ups , everything is becoming extremely homogenized and boring.
Japan is full of indians now and their animation/art is also low quality now and every single new series/manga either looks like shit , is animated like shit or just sucks
Entire situation is hopeless. Meritocracy is dead, zoomers killed it by allowing companies to take a chokehold of society.

>>8008489
Zoomers are weird

>>8008501
ic is a red board?

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im not hopeless and gloomy im just genuinely incompetent
i always see other people doing what they love regardless of earnings and there are still creatives who manage to make it these days. i dont need to have what they have but its a nice reminder not to give up. some of these people definitely feel a bit despondent in secret every now and again but that just means you gotta rebound and keep making the best of what you've got

>>8008509
the oldest zoomers just became 21 (i dont care about what zoomer was moved to now, i care about what the word meant 5 years ago, which is 2005 and on), in america they just got the right to drink and nowhere in the world do they have the purchasing power to affect the fucking markets in the way that boomers, gen x and millenials have done and still do, zoomers will never quite reach that purchasing power either, look at how the wealth gap keeps growing.

>>8008518
cant relate, i just want my life to end already lol
it has never been good and never will be

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i'm working on a short film at my art school with other people and they're taking the production of it so seriously
I don't hate that, but I do hate the unrealistic expectation to finish work in like under a week on some complicated ass character that is going to like appear for 10 seconds . I did multiple concepts and revisions and adhered to alll the notes and because of that I became behind in their schedule. Thankfully, now I've been assigned to something easier
I'm only complaining of course because this is an extracurricular school project with no pay. I feel like the reasonable expectation would be understanding that I'm a student with class outside of this but instead I have to pull multiple all nighters to meet their expectations of work. A couple of the other artists on this project are people that already graduated btw

stop being depressed you fucks, start being hopeful

>>8008517
https://warosu.org/ic/thread/7963461#p7971072
>>8008528
>>8008518
I come from a board where people consistently lose their ass, I myself lost over six figures yet we manage to shrug it off. I get that art has a mental toll especially when you keep experiencing short comings but do you really have to behave like a bunch of emotional vampires?

>>8008535
Fuck you faggot.

>>8008528
if you have nothing now then you have nothing to lose from trying new things
at the very least if your life ends in a car chase away from angry mobsters it'll at least have been an exciting death

>>8008534
let it go, not like you, the one actually working, will be the one getting credit, it will be the stacy with an attitude and her boyfriend

>>8008536
I have $1.2 million but I’m old should I KMS

>>8008538
lol what the hell are you even talking about

i am not frivolous enough to change my behavior just because "i have nothing to lose" or other cliche bullshit, give me a break.

>>8008537
fuck you stop being depressed

>>8008540
i heard that millionaires are young, hot, smart and hard working until they die

>>8008541
okay so you have something to live for
work on it faggot

>>8008539
er, even if that was the case i'm not the kind of person to just give up, i'm probably going to keep working on this thing since it's just another 2-3 months and I get good experience out of it.

>>8008544
i dont actually, dont reply to me anymore i dont think you are even reading the shit i say

>>8008546
how about working on something where you actually get credit? like your own animation / short movie

>>8008547
i am reading what you say and you just sound like a pussy

>>8008534
ganbare bro

>>8008548
I'm actually thinking of doing that once the film project wraps up. I'm going to dedicate my time to making a comic next year.
I highly doubt they won't credit our work on the film

>>8008543
You were lied to.

>>8008489
Have you not been here for the past 4 years? It is more negative nowadays I will agree to that. I think the biggest factor is AI, global economic stress for everyone even first worlders making pursuing art even harder and more risky and just the slow death of the art industry in general

>>8008564
kys

>>8008489
Also this >>8008511. Us zoomers are probably one of the most depressed generations in a while and for good reason

>>8008566
I haven't been here for the past couple years, no and I admit I stopped posting here because I was practically ousted from the other drawthreads kek.

>>8008509
>zoomers killed it by allowing companies to take a chokehold of society.
Stop blaming zoomers for the incompetence of gen x and millenials. Most Zoomers were either just leaving or haven't even started highschool by the 2010s. The youngest ones are only now turning 18 or 20 they have no impact on the current state of the world or the cultural climate that's all on you lazy faggots. It says a lot that we only started seeing push back against corporate action or governments after zoomers became adults

>>8008534
Good luck anon just try to keep up at your own pace. At least you have the experience of working in group production now

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>>8008576
technically, I've had experience working on groups since high school since I've been constantly volunteering for things, but this definitely does feel more professional since they're using shotgrid and have daily meetings

>>8008542
No, fuck you, nigtard, and stop telling me to stop being depressed or else I’ll rape your ass to death.

>>8008585
shutup bitch u aint doin shit, u cant even not be depressed

>>8008590
doesnt mean i am not insane and rearing to throw it all away

>>8008590
I can too not be depressed I’m just not going to not be depressed because some stupid idiot like you told me to.

>>8008592
you guys can just be happy?? there goes another thing i wasnt taught/given by god

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>>8008534
>willingly goes into thing
>he can't keep up
>"bro like stop taking it so seriously bro bro its not that serious like bro do you expect me to do shit broooo lol like i have shit to do lmao"
literal god of the crustaceans zoomnigger attitude holy shit

>>8008597
did you skim over the part where I said I pulled multiple all nighters just to get stuff done

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If you're unhappy, you should draw a lil guy. Draw a lil guy every day :)

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Does anyone else want to become just technically skilled enough at art that the execution no longer distracts from the idea or story?

Not necessarily trying to become the greatest artist in the world. Just to reach the point where you can communicate what is in your head clearly enough for people to connect with it. Someone like ONE of One-Punch Man and Mob Psycho 100, is inspiring to me because his early work was not technically polished, but his storytelling, characters, and ideas were compelling enough to earn recognition.

>>8008634
lol story go to the writing general in /lit/ for that

I just found out that you can tag your images on Windows. That will certainly make searching for images in my reference folder easier.

I feel like this guy's vid finally killed my paralysis on making the comic that's been floating around in my head the past 4 years. I no longer feel to inadequate to attempt it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41RgG2mDYk8

>>8008575
>Stop blaming zoomers for the incompetence of gen x and millenials.
Only generation that never fought the sytem.
>20 they have no impact on the current state of the world
They do, all revolutions are led by the young. Zoomers specifically didn't.

>>8008877
Show me an example of gen x or millennials fighting the system

>>8008880
Just the biggest ones (so far). Occupy Wall Street

>occupy wall street
>having any effect at all or changing anything at all
lmfao

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Project Chanology
Occupy Wallstreet
Student and Tuition Protests
The Dreamers Movement
Social and Racial Justice:
Trump MAGA

Alphas are Currently trying to decensor the web that zoomers censored.

The youth always leads the movements because they are smarter and more daring. Zoomers didn't do shit, the most faggot ass balding generation to ever exist, biggest corpo bootlickers.

>>8008885
Gamer Gate

The only things zoomers ever really did is bitch about millenials and invade their spaces spamming troon basedjak picture, so hey grats for killing 4chan, video games and spaces that sure showed everyone how great you are.

>>8008885
>tudent and Tuition Protests
>tuitions are still so high you have to take out student loans to pay them
>Social and Racial Justice:
>the world has never been more racist and socially divided
>Trump MAGA
The literal thing destroying the US right now while wasting tax dollars fighting nonsense wars and using the change bet and funnel government money into his own pockets and businesses. But hey he has concentration camps at the borders and got rid of tranny egg prices or something

>>8008890
At least we tried. Zoomers just left the doors open to get gigaraped by every single company and politician in existence. most dogshit cucked generation to ever live. Every single bad thing that happens in the world is because of them and because of women letting migrants in.

Pedagogical violence should've never been abolished (This includes teachers and friends. ). also giving women too much power.

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>>8008575
Nah, you can completely blame zoomers for the current state of society
>biggest most active consumer group right now that it shaped how companies and creators create and sell their slop
>molded online discourse through sheer numbers and being terminally online that you basically cannot say anything above an IQ of 92 or risk getting digitally lynched
>ready and willing to die on the most retarded hills and keep going with the excuse that it "makes people seethe"
>most eceleb brainwashed generation
>the utmost p-zombies the world has ever witnessed
>zoomers doing anything is purely performative and driven by the hope of social inclusion rather than any real conviction or thought out ideals
>gave they keys to culture to corporations because they are the biggest slop eating pigs
>literally are responsible for the explosion of "brainrot"
>even teachers have given up on them
>their mental retardation is even scientifically proven
>"but they push against the governments broo..... by believing everything the establishment tells them to think or on the other extreme believing the epic tik tok based nazi phonk shorts"
and the ultimate zoomer response to their own downfall is:
>"cope bro seethe ur jealous fr on god i dont even care bro i bet you hate what i like leave the multimillion corporation alone schizo i love ai 6 7 phan turk suram lmao tldr and no ur wrong lol mad yet yeah ur mad u are so mad and coping bro (please reply hehe gottem) i will now go enjoy thing you complainwhinehate because it makes you mad lol im such an epic contrarian lmao what a meltdown cope schizo bro look how much you're writing i don't write that much lmao do you not understand how much i dont care? kek ur cringe btw (pls be offended now) no reply? replied? i guess youre offended and mad now because i insulted you btw ur a poopyhead! hehe now excuse me while i go consume content on 8 different phones"
now multiply this mental retardation on a global brown scale

my back hurts

>>8008906
You are so fucking right, and im a zoomer myself

>>8008906
>my only interaction with zoomers are the shartyfags that raid this website and nowhere else

>>8008887
lets just drop the burden lf a literal ongoing interpol operation to destroy the web

>>8008906
your understanding of the world is so naive, its actually kinda sad. please don't make art.

>>8008906
>utter bullshit
>i never leave 4chan
>nonsense
>showing a complete lack of self awareness
>nonsense
>again a complete lack of self awareness, your ego preservation is not an Ideal you are just pathetic lol
>nonsense
>nonsense
>gen x and millenial teachers fail at their jobs
>america is the entire world + see above
>zoomers speaeheaded the anti zionist sentiment through memery
>blablabla nonsense

whew, that was so much condensed mental retardation that i struggle that i cant possibly believe it came out of a well adapted human.

>>8009098
>>8009096
>it's not real
>but i will never ever challenge the arguments

based retard, now call him a faggot.

holy shit these uncs are actually fucking braindead, I have been getting more stupid every year but I was under the impression that it would stop at some point

>>8008898
>because of them (zoomers)
No, it's because, and especially, the older generations.

The older generations indoctrinated the newer ones to be like this, with all that bullshit about open borders, aid, even human rights, to what? Niggers that think matyrdom sends you to paradise, or that are violent by nature?
Third worlders aren't capable of empathy, gratefulness, respect, diplomacy, art, and scientifical progress.

Imagine freeing slaves instead of executing them. Arabs castrated them all in order to prevent them to exist longer. The second good thing they did in the entire history.

>>8008982
had a poop and it feels better

>>8008898
>most dogshit cucked generation to ever live.
That would be babyboomers

>>8009107
This, zoomers barely had any time to exist as an adult in this society. Somehow the old propagandized idiots who voted for this dogshit society find a way to blame anyone but themselves.

>>8009102
they can't challenge shit, because they know it's all correct and how their behavior was described it's how they're behaving now but they can't help themselves because that's the only way they know how to get attention but then will pretend to not care while trying to disagree until they can't physically post/speak anymore

zoomers are so intellectually and mentally ill that their contrarianism ends up proving any observation about them
If it was an e-celeb saying that shit they'd suck their dick and buy their merch

My time spent drawing is taking away time that I could be shitposting on /ic/…

>>8009187
Get real. Zoomers were child soldiers in the culture war.

>>8009230
so you are victim blaming? children cant make their own choices

you know you aren't allowed to create or have good shit anymore because of zoomers

all you are allowed to do is fortnite and porn

made a linktree. is it inviting

https://linktr.ee/a.dat

>>8009248
Is Fortnite porn an option?

porn will be banned next year

>>8009258
Not banned. Just that you’ll need to do a face scan to access it. Or even draw it.

imagine not drawing and thinking you're going to be good someday

>>8009309
Post your work.

>>8009309
It really doesn't matter if I draw or not. Nobody cares about my drawings anyway. You just disappear in a sea of shit and piss

To post that you stopped drawing so you're a hypocrite and you must commit seppuku.

me on days I don't draw:
>"ahhh fuuck I can't draw I will ruin this thing wen my pen touches the paper!!!"
me when I actually put the pen on the paper:
>"Oh fuck this is the best thing ever this looks so good DRAWING IS FUN AND THE BEST!"

I knew uncs were retarded but I didn't know they were THIS retarded. Utterly mindraped by culture war propoganda and american centralism

>>8009344
This except the best part. My confidence is too low these days to ever think this

>>8009372
They're getting to be the age of boomers. A lot of them are unable to cope with being stupid enough to exploited by the grifter in chief. It's still not their fault though, it's the trannies and the Muslims that siphoned billions from the taxpayers in 4 years while setting up a dynasty of corruption in our government that will last another 100.

>8009390
>>>/biz/62573113

>>8009344
reality of when I actually put the pen on peper:
>"I suck"

>>8009491
draw daily for the next ten years and then see what happens

>>8009559
I'll still be bad? nta btw

>>8009562
wrong

>>8009562
To other artists, yes you will always be looked at objectively but to normies they won't care.

>>8009344
sometimes god throws a bone instead of shit

>>8009563
How are you going to turn this into the drawing warrior huh Shifu?

>>8009559
I am almost at a decade later...

I wish I had a separate studio to draw in, not just a room in my house. Probably feels incredible and actually motivating to get shit done. Like a gym.

>>8009816
Maybe a library? Worked for me when studying at school. Getting away from home in the morning made it much easier to get that type of work done. Most of the libraries near me have event or smaller rooms you can borrow for a couple of hours. If it proves effective, you can then think about arranging something more permanent there or elsewhere.

When I do art or practice I'm just throwing in whatever energy I have left after work. How does someone make it more "energizing"?

>>8010011
you have to do well in the first place

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>>8010011
cocaine

>>8010011
#1 thing that works for me is having a goal in mind rather than just drawing aimlessly. Any type of quantifiable goal, doesn’t matter. “Complete 3 studies”, “finish the inking for this project I’m doing”, whatever. Just having a measurable finish line in sight makes it so much more pleasant, as opposed to just sitting down and “drawing” and not knowing when it will end.

>>8010011
my own crutch is caffeine
A cup of black tea does wonders for the first hour or 2 of drawing regardless of if it's early morning on the weekend, late at night, or after work.
I wouldn't drink coffee though, it's much harder to manage the cons of that much caffeine (how you'll feel 5-6 hours from then + long term use)

>>8009816
Man I wish I wasn't a broke unemployed 23 year old college drop out and was rich. I'd buy or rent my own separate place to draw outside of home. I'm not sure if it'd boost my productivity but I know small almost daily commute outside my house would boost my mental health at least which would help in productivity somewhat

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What have you drawn this week /wct/?

>>8010364
Shitty fan concept art for weapons

How do you know you should give up no faggot shit like “when you feel like it” or “when you’re not having fun” I want something objective.

>>8010364
Shitty concept art for uniforms

>>8010476
> I want something objective
No such thing but the 10,000 hour rule is a good metric (5 years 6 hours a day, 10 years 3 hours a day, etc)

>How do you know you should give up
Don't give up, join marc brunet course trust the plan.

>>8010476
it's time to truly give up when you don't feel the calling AFTER you've given up.

I feel like studying is making me worse because my brain sucks and can't consolidate the things I learned with my old habits and I feel unsatisfied with anything I draw now.

>>8010765
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8LN6DCWnIg&t=1575s

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>>8010792
>have goals
this I do have but
>have strong opinions in what i want out of my art
it sounds obvious but fair point, i've been pretty flipfloppy and sometimes I think I know what I want or I sit down and try to narrow things down and I end up just forgetting about it and start getting upset again
it's definitely related to why I've been getting upset though, I'm trying to draw an old character again and the "charm" that I wanted when i first made them doesn't feel like it's coming through at all when I'm trying to apply what I learned, so I suppose I'll be reviewing that

Been in a couple art discord servers for a while now and I've yet to see any major drama other than some idiots getting scammed by Mr Beast. Either I'm lucky or you ppl been lying to me about how common it is, these dudes chill

>>8010792
> all that yap and he's still drawing a 2D picture despite all the hatching and values

Grim. Talentless.

>not even close to being done with current videogame art commissions
>dev already wants me to work on his next game asap
Bros... we're all gmi but I'm starting to doubt I have the energy for all this. I'm not even that good and I have to basically bruteforce every humanoid and environment I draw. I should have at least stoodied a bit before getting into this stuff

>>8011042
>I'm not even that good
Considering that the dev eagerly wants you back for more I wouldn't say that

>>8011044
I can't draw a figgie to save my life. I can't even draw a proper cube. Style was all I had and now I suffer for my hubris
Also, this should be the lesson for people who want to work in the "industry": it doesn't matter how good you are. All that matters is that you're hype for something and then draw fanart of it. Devs love that and they'll come to you for the next open job they have. Portfolios don't matter

>>8010476
If you have a duty to keep going then you won't give up.
Otherwise, you will.
Simple as.

something needs to be done about the millions of thirdies drawings and grinding daily. they put their life on the line to undercut us so they WILL make some gains just on desperation and human grit alone. Meanwhile I have to find time to draw in between my government and AI double teaming me.

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about 3 months ago I got bored and I realized I could technically clicker train myself since my huion pen button noise sounds like a clicker so I bought kit kats and every time I finished a drawing I ate one and pressed the button on my pen . now I dont even need the treat because just hearing the clicker noise fills me with dopamine to draw. I didn't even think it would work but holy fuck it did

>>8011364
You'd make a cute boy toy

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>>8011384

tfw no cute artist bf to reward with kitkats and headpats

>>8011364
thanks for the idea anon, gonna start doing this today

>>8010364
anime girls with massive titties

Never had social media account but I started posting on twitter. Expectedly there's no engangement, but there's a kind of satisfaction in it. I used to draw for, well, nothing, but now I'm drawing to post something even without eyes seeing it.

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>>8011364
That's just a pavlovian response. Good on you though mah nigga.

>>8010364
Character Concepts for a game I want to make but know I never will.

>>8011553
How massive?

>>8011711
each boob at least as big as the head

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>>8010811 (me)
been attempting introspection and it really feels like I'm one of those guy's students right now that he talked about. I used to draw a lot more when I was looking to make a webcomic (both related and unrelated drawings), but I definitely must've attached it all too much on getting other people's approval for it, and I don't think attempting another webcomic would work out since it's been a very long time since I got burnt out mostly from bad interactions with others.
I think I'm just really indecisive in the end, as I am with most of my life. It's too difficult to nail down a specific inspiration anymore because I like a lot of different art and art styles, but I'll probably figure it out after airing my thoughts a bit more with other people and even here.

>>8005541
How the fuck do people animate if I can't even make a shitty drawing?!

>>8011974
they learned it through study and hard work
so can you if you also study and work hard

>>8011974
Talent, chosen by the gods, etc

>>8010476
You've exhausted every reasonable option to stick around, from nurturing motivation to a structured practice tailored to what actually interests you. And you need to make sure the edgy whiny part of you isn't sabotaging these attempts because it wants to be proven right.
Realistically it would take you half a decade of honest effort to be able to review what you've set yourself to do and measure if it was worth your time.
The most likely answer for someone's pessimism or rejection of doing art will end up being some ridiculous bar/expectation or seeing any type of adversity as another reason to quit/it was never meant to be. Even someone who thinks "eh, not for me" will be able to see the upside and notice he learned a few skills that could be used in other craft or art, and still be able to pick it up as hobby, something than anyone can do no at any point with the bonus of having no regrets.
tl;dr: If you're dreading over art make sure you're aware of the reasons and that you're actually addressing them in good faith.

>>8011974
Animating is actually a good way to get better fast since it forces you do multiple drawings a day without the constant nitpicking, second guessing or revisions because you'd never get it done if you stopped to do any of those

>>8010877
Behind the calm there is always discord anon, someone will sadly get raped in there just wait

I feel miserable in my relationship, I wish my partner didn’t take me for granted. I feel like it’s one-sided. Couldn’t draw for 2 days because I kept thinking about it. I wish I could stop having these feelings and focus on drawing because it’s the only thing that will never let me down.

I've been spending three hours today just trying to get a facial expression right. Once I'm done with this big project I will practice humoids (poses, faces) and maybe also work through Perspective Made Easy.

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>>8010877
The ones telling you art servers were bad are always the unsocialized rejects with shit attitudes that get big mad when people just ban them instead of tolerating blatant assholey and mental illness.

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remember; discords are always seeking fresh blood
if they worked they wouldn't let random people in

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>>8012279
And the ones telling you that discord servers are good are horrible people with sociopathic behavior that get big mad when you call their attitude and drawings shit.

Most discords artworks are turbo omega dogshit for a reason. If you actually feel like that, then leave the site already. That /dad/ and /drawpile/ away and fuck off forever, you won't, you know i'm right, Discord only servers for egotistical sociopaths with no intention of getting better.

I will never take a frog posters opinion on the human condition seriously

>>8012364
see, you can't candle the truth. No idea why your kind insist in invading 4chan, can't handle getting called shit, can't handle real opinions, can't handle actual drawing over larping as an artist.

You should've never been here in first place, 4chan needs to die, it serve no real purpose anymore

coloso.global is constantly making me login again and there doesn't seem to be a Remember Me box, very obnoxious

Another dumb friendless nihilistic frog take

>>8012368
>muh friends
Another naive dumb hypocritical wageslave normie take

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remember

>>8010476
>Howie tries to quit

of course, the faggy loser welfare recipient would think employment was an unironic insult, I bet you're over 30 too kek

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>I can either stay at the shitty infested work accommodation
>or drive an hour to the nearest overpriced hotel
>punch-in is before 6AM so realistically I have to be there at 530 to beat the morning rush, so I'd have to be out the door at 430 and driving barely awake
I hate working

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>>8012611
Lol
I never worked a day in my life
sucks to be you

Wagies are the crab and npc meme in one.
It is the ultimate insult.

>>8012279
Oh yeah? Well fuck you, faggot!

>>8010877
Were they /ic/ discords or ones meant for normal people? In the normie ones your only real problem will be rampant faggotry as they’re all libtards.

i have been lurking in an art discord with over 2k people for a couple months now and it is genuinely working as intended
>people post their work
>no drama
>no politics
>porn/erping/sexting is an instaban
>no requirement to pyw
>has crit channel that gets used a lot
>general chat is alive and people are chill
>videogame channel exists but is barren and barely posted in
>out of 1k online user maybe 10 are playing a videogame
>no one from the discords that gets spammed here is on there
>monthly challenges n shit
>the artist who runs it is pretty fucking good
Personally, i don't post in it because i don't really need to interact or engage with anyone but to discover that server you would actually need to be interested in learning to draw, so none of the wannabe pornfags, OC autistic homocunts, number farmers and drama trannies could ever be on there.

Just face it; porn and the retards who are controlled by it are the problem.

>>8012661
FUCK YOU, PRUDE! GO SUCK JESUS’S DICK!

How effective is "I aged the characters up" when drawing nsfw? I want to avoid the SHES 17!!! crowd

>>8013205
people draw 16 year old anime girls all the time
just dont reference the age or have the "all characters are +18" as part of the watermark like others do

>>8013205
I've seen the artist either just state her age (18 or 24) and she looks the exact same, or they make her slightly "older" by making her a bit taller and giving her a larger breast size.
You could make her look like an adult but I don't really think you're gonna please anyone that would usually complain about underage characters, and of course those who want to see Marnie will be disappointed that they didn't get an actual depiction of petite Marnie

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>>8011364
>>8011386

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can't draw anything i want no longer having fun but i don't want to quit

>>8013269
incredible