So I hear this shit is on version FIVE now? It was pretty full featured (though shit UI/UX/lots of unexpected behavior/slow/shit/not great at painting) for basic manga creation already by ver 2 from what I saw, and yet THREE FULL VERSIONS LATER it STILL doesn't leverage the GPU? Do I have that fucking right? I've written them to use the GPU for years now, wtf. Everyone go write them here if you agree https://support.clip-studio.com/ja-jp/contact/opinion-request/_problem? but damn why is CSP always feature bloating shit no one needs. Like animation shit kek!
>>8008712I thought this was an art critique board not a software review board.
>>8008723ah shit my bad then. but honestly would /g/ be a better place? i doubt it
Japs aren't known for their cutting edge software for a reason
>>8008712Photoshop fag here, eat shit it's your turn now to suffer the Jeet/vibecoding slowdowns, hope you have 16 GB of Ram free
>>8008712Honestly I just accepted I am on version 1.X until I can't figure out how to run it on new devices anymore. I don't need their webtoon accelerators. they went hard to target that audience which kinda makes sense from a profit perspective. the 3000 varients of reincarnated as a villainess with a crappy but hot fiance don't draw themselves and being speacialized for that was a legit market gap
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>>8009436literally none of that applies to actual painting/drawing/coloring or even 3d modelling lmao
>>8008731/g/ is the AI board. Software isn't relevant there.
>>8008901Nta, but i use an old gaming laptop with old battery and the moment i unplugged that shit while using photoshop it will drain my battery from 100 to 0 under 10 minutes because apparently photoshop utilize my gpu (the biggest powerdrainer in gaming laptop especially pre 2022 ones like me) to make zooming in and zooming out 'smoother'. Never had the same problem with csp.I do agree with op point that csp is full of bloat though. I think celsys want to make csp as some kind of multimedia superapp instead of making another dedicated software for different purpose like what adobe did with their suite. Knowing how submissively grateful nips are, i think it will never change and the software will keep bloating until god knows what will happen in there
>>8008731don't listen to them. This board has become a defacto general art community where crits are only given when asked for.
>>8008712CSP would be amazing if it actually took full advantage of your hardware, and didn't need to pause for 2 mins because you rotated a group of layers and is only using 1 core to process it. I'll probably never move away from SAI because of it, it just fucking works, doesn't have a launcher, lets me use it on multiple PCs with no issues
>>8008712They are japanese, they are NOT gonna listen to you, SPECIALLY if you are not japanese, they have their sick mantra of ''JUST GET USED TO IT''
>>8008712after switching to a subscription model, they need to change version numbers constantly to encourage perpetual license users to buy new licenses.
>>8009768>Knowing how submissively grateful nips are, i think it will never change and the software will keep bloating until god knows what will happen in therenightmare fueli hope everyone pirates their software
>>8008712They keep adding things because they're trying justify the subscription service.
>>8008712they should offer perpetual licenses on mobile too, i hate it when software developers treat their mobile customers like renters. i also haven't checked recent versions but it ran like shit in a-series ipads, like bro they didn't invent m-series chips until 2020 and csp was first released on 2017, the first ipad pro released in both 2015 and 2016 had an a9x chip, japanese invented vibe coding before it was a thing i swear.but celsys will never learn. they'd rather go bankrupt than rethink about their monetization ane optimization. thank fucking god artstudio pro exists. i hope someone reverse engineers .sut files one day.
>>8010446>>8010887horrible incentive model
>>8010934>but celsys will never learn. they'd rather go bankruptAre they going downwards? God I hope so. I thought .sut files were already partially reverse engineered (At least an LLM told me that xP)>thank fucking god artstudio pro existsah it's iOS only I can't use it :(
Celsys is based for not taking stupid suggestions from westoids such as>HURR DUURR PLZ OPTIMIZE CSP TO USE 188^2 COREZ IN MUH 5090 GAMING PC SO I CAN ROTATE 47 LAYERS DERRP
>>8008712all of these updates and i still only use the basic features from 1.0 i bought like 10 years ago. i don't see a point to upgrade>>8010887this
>>8011674a bootlicker's fingers typed this
>>8011668i'm not a /biz/ guy so i wouldn't know, but they shifted so hard suddenly for no reason it is bizarre. the app was always subscription based on mobile, so some of the scum was already there, but nerfing the frequency and the percentage of sales, then putting a how to purchase flowchart in front of their customers was a choice for sure. there was a write-up on reddit that went into more detail finances wise but i can't find it anymore, i think op either deleted their account, messages or more.it also exists on mac but it's unfortunately walled garden exclusive beyond that. closest thing to ps and csp is krita with scripts probably. krita's brush engine is intricate yet behind, if they only improved it and added pigment mixing krita could have the reputation of blender.
>>8013067Thanks for the writeup.
Bump.
>>8008901big ERM here, but that's assuming everyone's using the latest version, when their current subscription model forces you to buy the previous versions (in discounted prices but still) before actually getting there
>tfw no scripting in csp, so if gotta completely hack auto actions so I can rename one layer on my 30 animation cels
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>>8008712Last unprompted bump from me (the OP) to say that motivated by my own thread I made an AIshit CSP replacement. You can make a full manga in it now I think. It's not close to being perfect yet though.See >>8020993
>>8021000Forgot pic
>>8008712I've made more money thanks to this software that what you'll make in your entire life. Stop whining like a whiny bitch and get to drawing, retard.
>>8008712the tools to make a tiling pattern are really bad. niche complaint, but i have it.
>>8021106paying customers are allowed to criticize the products they pay for, goy. they add random unnecessary bullshit in every update, so they should be able to focus on something that actually benefits all of their users.
>>8021126nah for real i agree
>>8008930I ran 1.x all the way up until this most recent June sale where I felt like the tonal correction adjustments on multiple selected layers from 5.0 and some of the features of 2.0-4.0 (the more robust text tool stuff, adjustments to color blending and mesh transform, alignment etc.) justified me spending the $30 or whatever for a second 5.0 ver license. I do really wish they'd stop sucking the dick of webtoons artists so hard with the non-stop barrage of 3D crap and what not but I expect that crowd is a huge portion of their userbase, so eh.
>>8021000>>8021003..But why? Medibang exist if you want a lightweight alternative. All of these "I made an X replacement app!" vibecoded slop all boils down to "I want to use this app but I dont like these few things and maybe the UI so I reinvented the wheel and created another app that only *I* can use"
i just wish they would drop the fucking license check every 24h and make it weekly because i live in a rural area and sometimes both copper cable and 5g simply stop workingit happens less than once a year but its still annoying
>>8025362>but I dont like these few things and maybe the UIThat's pretty true yes, but when I have to deal with such things like 1000 times per year i'd rather just actually try to fix things if i can.I actually forgot about medibang though I can give it a try for sure. But I already added quite a bunch of features I like for my AIslop thing desu, like right now I'm adding something where you can keep a layer inside a frame border folder and still have it protrude outside/on top of it, stuff like what's in the bottom panel here, without having to move layers out of the folder and on top of it and so on. that's just one example :P
>>8025362this shit sounds gay lol
>>8025443I mean good on youYou're probably better off just finding an already existing open-source project and then modify it to your needs with AIslop lol but eh you do you.
>>8025499I heard krita was the only one and apparently its codebase is super big and wouldn't be worth starting from it as a base, i heard. thank you anon!
>Everyone go write them here if you agreenot your personal army
>>8026326...but you could be!
>>8008712Did Japan recently introduce their own variant of H1B or something? This didn't happen in older versions.>17gb ram usage>if you have the program open long enough it randomly goes up to 300% CPU usage when you try hiding layers or doing anything in a file with ~80 layers>>8008901kek, very true.
>>8029016holy shit how does your CPU not explode from 300% keksorry to hear that its new versions do shit like this bro, damn on top of feature bloat they actually make the performance worse?? i'm thankful(?) i'm still on v2 i guess.although even on current version apparently there are memory leaks i think
