>>8019797
Other open comic publishers:

Dark Horse ( https://www.darkhorse.com )
>Dark Horse still welcomes your submissions, and all submissions will still be reviewed, just as they always have been.
>All unsolicited story/series proposals must have a full creative team on board. Writer-only proposals will not be reviewed.

Image comics ( https://imagecomics.com/ )
>Image Comics only publishes creator-owned material. They do not contract creators; they’re only interested in publishing original content for which you would retain all rights.
>Image Comics publishes creator-owned/creator-generated properties and THEY DON’T PAY PAGE RATES. Image takes a small flat fee off the books published, and it will be the responsibility of the creators to determine the division of the remaining pay between their creative team members.

Drawn and quarterly ( https://drawnandquarterly.com/ )
>Please email a low resolution PDF with at least 20 pages of comics and cover letter to submissions. Do not send dropbox links, scripts, or proposals. Please read our submissions FAQ.

Fantagraphics ( https://www.fantagraphics.com/ )
>submission page: https://www.fantagraphics.com/pages/faq

Top Shelf Productions ( https://www.topshelfcomix.com/ )
>Regarding submissions, we're easy. Just email us a download link of what you'd like us to review. NOTE: We cannot accept cover letters, plot synopses, or scripts unless they are accompanied by a minimum of 10-20 completed pages (i.e., fully inked and lettered comic book pages).

Additional publisher lists:
> https://jasonthibault.com/definitive-list-comic-publisher-submission-guidelines/
> https://writingtipsoasis.com/best-independent-comic-book-publishers/

>>8019798
Some western / indie publishers of Manga:

Saturday AM ( https://www.saturday-am.com/ )
> Digital indie magazine, seems to be on the up-and-up
> Open submissions for long-form series; also distributes series currently being published elsewhere.
> Regularly publishes one-shots, making it a good potential outlet for already-finished work.

Oni Press ( https://onipress.com/ )
> Technically indie, but at this point large enough by comic standards to be mentioned in the same breath as other publishers.

Antarctic Press ( https://antarctic-press.myshopify.com/ )
> Longtime large-indie publisher of OEL / manga-esque books.
> Seemingly taking submissions at present if https://antarctic-press.myshopify.com/pages/submissions is anything to go on.

Yen Press ( https://yenpress.com/ )
> Started out as a small indie publisher of original / Korean material, and has grown reasonably popular since.
> As of 2016, it is also one of the western arms of the Kadokawa Corporation, with Kadokawa owning a 51% stake.
> Editorial inquiries can apparently be sent to yenpress@yenpress.com, however, they apparently are not open to new submissions at this time.

Viz Media / Viz Originals ( https://www.viz.com/originals )
> *The* western manga publisher.
> Currently in the exploratory stages of setting up an English label.
> Submissions are open and several books have been announced. However, progress on the label seems to be moving very slowly.
> Still might be worth a shot anyway.

Shrine Comics ( https://shrinecomics.com/ )
> Small indie manga publisher
> Seemingly attempting to make the transition to physical volumes
> Allows crossposting to other sites

Iconic Comics (https://www.iconiccomics.com/)
>A bit like Oni Press and Antarctic Press
>A small publisher with a focus on indie works with manga inspiration

>>8019799
/mmg/'s very own anon-led anthology: /ic/onography
https://discord.gg/QYnFBves7V
https://forms.gle/d3a2Cwwd44sJYyqv9
(Anthology project is defunct but the discord is alive)

Additional community added Resources:
Mangafonts: https://mangafonts.carrd.co/
Hiro Mashima YT: https://www.youtube.com/@mashimaCh/videos
Ganmo, a job listing board for manga assistant work: https://ganmo.j-comi.co.jp/posts

How (You) can help /mmg/:

> Know about a contest or a publishing opportunity? TAG THE OP and post a link.
> Have a new resource? TAG THE OP and link / mention it for inclusion.
> Don't be a crab
> Have a link / DL for a mentioned resource? TAG THE OP and mention what you're supplying a link for.
> SCREENSHOT / PASTEBIN effort posts that help you for posterity.

File: ca-times.brightspotcdn.jpg (277 KB, 1200x1553)

277 KB JPG

Could a darker shonen-style story work with a western cartoon look. Im thinking of rubber hoes animataion, color, very simple, like Adventure Time or Owl's House or what not?
Of course primarily for a western audience.
I love how such simplified, colored comics create a very dense page.
Bold lines, flat colors. But i hate American culture and themes americans like to write about. All the frankfurter school bullshit and individualism and irony and plebit humor...
I would like to take the form but tell a Japanese story with it.

>>8019809
>tell a Japanese story
What on earth is a "Japanese" story? Are the characters going to be in high school and they wear their school uniforms and run to school late while they have an egg on a single slice of toast they hold in their mouths and they meet up with their wacky hairstyled classmates for hilarious Japanese school hijinks?

>>8019816
Im not talking about such superficial things.
You could tell a story set in the us without it being part of American culture, right?
The same as Nolans Odyssey, it‘s an antient setting but the movie is made by americans about america. I haven’t seen it, but if you have seen 1 American movie you’ve seen them all.

sorry its not clear if you understand what "japanese" or "american critical race theorist" or "indigenous" means, you cannot tell a story about an "indigenous" person in tokyo without falling into strange predictable routes

you just immediately lose all of your story's authenticity.

>>8019831
It's a story about an "indigenous" American person, that travels into another dimension to experience adventures. But it's Japanese, it follows the shonen jump formula to a degree at least.

File: file.png (119 KB, 335x597)

119 KB PNG

>>8019809
fucking draw it and see how it looks, you don't even have to finish it.
everything is nice and pretty and works perfectly untill you put it on paper

>>8019848
True. But running full speed towards a wall isn't fun.

>>8019827
>but the movie is made by americans about america
Nolan's a brit and the movie is still set in ancient Greece. What a bizarre thing to say.

File: Doraemon_character.png (43 KB, 286x348)

43 KB PNG

>>8019816
Is this your first day as A weeb? Do you even make mangas?

<---- btw This is me after a long day at the manga office

File: 846bcfce-bb40-4d5a-8559-2(...).jpg (28 KB, 353x352)

28 KB JPG

WHAT DO YOU MEAN I CAN'T JUST REUSE TALKING HEADS AND TRANSFORMATION PANELS LIKE THEY DO IN ANIME

File: images(6).jpg (37 KB, 769x399)

37 KB JPG

>>8019858
Damn
I meant to post this, not doreomon

>>8019857
Water fish situation, lol

>>>/a/290228139
>Isakai is targeted at middle aged men and the industry is doomed if it continues like this. Inio Asano, creator of the acclaimed masterpiece Oyasumi Punpun, has fiercely criticized the manga and anime industry targeting the saturated trend of the "Isekai" genre.
Asano stated bluntly, "I hope the trend of reincarnating in another world comes to an end soon. His reasoning is that society's obsession with restarting life in a fantasy world serves as a clear mirror reflecting that "real life is far too cruel and unbearable for most people."Consuming reincarnation stories is merely an act of escapism for those who feel defeated by reality.
>He also harshly called out publishers for playing it safe milking formulaic plots to the point of oversaturation instead of taking risks on innovative, challenging works. His most painful warning was that the manga industry is currently failing to attract a new generation of readers. In reality, the core readership today consists of middle aged men over 40 the exact demographic craving an escape to become overpowered heroes in another world
Isekai is starting to die. This is our chance, Anons. If we can figure out first what's gonna take its place, we could all ride that wave to success.

>>8019870
Isn’t he championing ai slop in manga? Fuck this cunt

>>8019870
>the core readership today consists of middle aged men over 40
I have heard this exact same thing happening to literally every entertainment medium from movies, to music, to video games.

My daughter and her friends are into Kpop and listening to retards on social media yap, and nothing else. They are only interested in Kpop as far as they dream they can be on stage one day too.

>>8019870
>If we can figure out first what's gonna take its place, we could all ride that wave to success.
You would have to have a platform to deliver this to potential readership. Currently there are manga contests from publishers, and webtoons, and that's pretty much it.
Getting popular by social media organically is done, it's too saturated and completely taken over by industry plants now.

>>8019836
That's not japanese, that's inspired by japanese works that were inspired by other japanese works that were inspired by other media that may or may not be japanese. This is all just hipster shit.

>>8019907
Okey, i will make my mc a quirky, homosequal from afrika, happy now?

>>8019827
>I'm not being superficial, [says something that shows what a superficial understanding you have of the things you're trying to hate]
Amazing. You're either a teenager or someone who never stopped thinking and acting like one.

>>8019909
You seem more invested in shitposting and talking a big game than actually drawing what you said you want to draw.

>>8019809
Why wouldn't it work? There are shonen stories with scrimblo characters that have huge fanbases.

File: IMG_2767.jpg (1017 KB, 1500x1125)

1017 KB JPG

>>8019911
Na, i'm brainstorming the look and watching some cringe American shows for research right now.
I need some praxis to get into the flow of drawing cute children and cartoon characters.
>>8019914
>scrimblo characters
What's that? Is that a porn therm?
You mean like Hunter? Visuali Togashi is one of my biggest inspirations.
I hate how stiff and soulles Owl's Hous linework for example looks. Togashis linework is peak soul, no wonder he is unwilling to give the inking away to his assistants, would destroy the whole thing i'm sure.
>>8019910
Thx for the backhanded compliment, i guess...

This is the first time I make a comic and I want people's opinion of it, but its 10 pages long and I feel like I Will clog the thread, I should post it here, upload it in another site or make a separated thread?

>>8019931
10 pages is short enough to make a single continuous scroll image, or else upload it to gofile

>>8019931
Upload somewhere else and link to here.

File: 63677.png (292 KB, 1023x512)

292 KB PNG

>>8019935
>>8019940
Ok. This comic only adapts the middle part of a longer script. Its an encounter between two characters who are friendly rivals that I am always drawing.
I have a crudely written script of the whole thing, (some of it reads weird because I am ESL).
HERE: https://gofile.io/d/foq72Qxv
I want to read /ic/ opinion of it, what do you think? is it too bad?

>>8019952
This reads like a manga that the characters in a real manga would be reading as a gag.

>>8019927
soul artwork

>>8019976
You have beg eyes

>>8019982
You have buzzwords

>>8019952
Your art is good. But everything related to storytelling, to comics is not great. Paneling is a little bit stiff, panel outlines are too thin, your flow is not that good.
Dialog is stiff, story is very predictable.
Your art is good, if you work on your storytelling, you can do much better.
>>8019976
Thx, mate.

File: Capture.png (312 KB, 594x842)

312 KB PNG

>>8019952
>some of it reads weird because I am ESL
Use AI to proofread the text, as it is very important to have minimum quality on the dialogs, or it might make people drop it earlier.

I would say paneling is your biggest pain point to work on, pic related. Also, some of the environment perspective seemed a little off.

>>8019870
>society's obsession with restarting life in a fantasy world serves as a clear mirror reflecting that "real life is far too cruel and unbearable for most people.
This is very true. Society is getting more difficult to bear due to inflation making everything more expensive, the 1% pilfering the government and real estate, nepotism/industry plants wiping out hopes of creative endeavors succeeding, AI destroying the creative landscape, overstauration making everyone feel small and unnoticeable, and everything listed so far getting WORSE. There seems to be no end in sight to how far downhill we can go.

It's no wonder people desperately wish they could be whisked away to a better world. There is no solution to this that I can think of. It's over. If anything, isekaislop will only be more popular.

>>8019982
I didn't say it wasn't beg, retard.

File: HQALTZ1XYAACH2I.jpg (44 KB, 659x410)

44 KB JPG

>>8019797
I'm planning on making my own doujins/comics, short 15-20 pages, but I'm looking for tips on how to organize everything beforehand instead of just doing whatever. Kinda like storyboarding I guess or smth

I don't need something super in deep, but I definitely need something

>>8019967
>>8019990
>>8019992
Thanks for the critic, this is fun
This "story" is just an excuse to draw a comic, as is literally imposible to me to create a basic story. I don't think I will draw more long comics unless I can think of a interesting story (very unlikely).

>>8019998
Life has literally never been easier at least in first world countries. Even if you're poor you get a free house, free food, and pretty much everyone has a smartphone. Compared to being poor back in the day it's practically a middle class experience.

>>8019998
Isekai won't be around forever. People want escapist stories, that much is true. But the industry has been recycling the same idea for over a decade and the genre has become stale now. People want new ideas but they still want the same escape elements, so it will need these:

· Escape: I want out of this life.
· Reset: I wish I could start over.
· Competence: I want to finally be good at something.
· Recognition: I want people to acknowledge my worth.
· Control: I want a world where my actions actually matter.
· Progression: I want visible improvement and rewards.
· Identity: I want to become someone different.

What I mean is that the likely fantasy isekai will become outdated, and someone will find another escapist trope to replace it. It will happen, and soon. That's why I suggest you brainstorm what it could be. Being the first of its kind gives you a huge advantage in this line of work.

>>8020024
It will probably just change to being like P5 where the isekai powers and setting come to you in the real world instead. We will have isekai at home.

>>8020016
Storyboarding is the hardest phase in creating manga. How you do it depends on your style.
Some people just do very simple doodles and panel layouts. Other people already doodle pretty nice sketches and do panel layouts. Some people also do no storyboarding at all.

I'm pretty bad at storyboarding so the way I do it atm is just making abunch of doodles of potential panels and then later maybe cut them into a page payout and edit it.

You definitely also need to write down ideas tho and somewhat have a storyline. I find it really hard to pinpoint this exactly that's why I combine it with a lot of sketching too.

>>8020024
Fantasy isekai might be peak. I don't think there's any other world where people can escape to that'll satisfy all those requirements. What other world could be better, mech isekai? Alien world isekai (avatar)?

And the most important part of isekai escapism (romance) is best fulfilled in a fantasy setting. You can have a harem of all types of girls, orcs, elves, priestesses, etc. It seems fantasy is peak isekai setting.

sad thing is a story about a guy living in a functioning society where his actions actuallymatter, is now considered an unrealistic high fantasy story

>>8020021
>Even if you're poor you get a free house, free food
Unless you're white

>>8020016
You just sit down and think about what you want the story to do. Even if you don't want to plan every last detail out, you still should have SOME vague sense of where things will end up so that you aren't 100% flying by the seat of your pants. Come up with some quick bullet points for the major story beats you want to hit at least.

>>8020021
>being poor has literally never been easier
Fixed. Gov housing/food are only available to the very bottom of poverty earners. Quality of life is not determined by bottom social safety nets, but how well the middle class is doing with basic life goals like owning a house, starting a family, building a retirement, and fulfilling hobbies. All of these things are getting increasingly harder. But sure, we have food stamps and project housing. Compared to slaves in Egypt, we're living like kings, but that's a brainless comparison that gives the billionaire class more room to exploit the rest of us.

>>8020021
First countries don't exist anymore. Shitskins are everywhere nowadays.

>>8020040
What the thirdies dont realize is the bottom social safety nets are impossible to escape. They always that if they isekai into America they'd become rich because it would be easy mode for them. They aren't aware how much worse life can be after you have the bare bottom maslow hierarchy of needs settled (shelter and food)

How come manga and anime marketed at females aren't filled with isekai? Is there some reason that demographic doesn't feel the need to escape life as much?

>>8020126
Isekai is just a subgenre of Adventure, which has never been popular with girls

>>8020126
>doesn't feel the need to escape life as much?
The unrealistic romance is the escape. Zero media literacy.

>>8020126
Women don't care about recognition and fancy settings as much as men do. They're also okay with loser type self inserts, as long as handsome boys love them unconditionally.

>>8020024
my idea for a post-isekai is so:
have a teenage protagonist choose to dissociate from life due to depression (actually really small inconsequential teenager problems) and have years go by them, when they come to, the world has completely changed after some catastrophic event so now the life they knew is completely lost (costal towns have flooded so now a big % of population lives on MGSV-style offshore rigs, intensive meat farming is impossible so the main source of protein comes from insects, there is strict population control due to the limited space, some days there are "solar flares" so fashion is centered around integrating lead plates on clothes to avoid radiation poisoning etc.) and have them confront the world as if they were given a "second chance at life",
the thing is it's the same world they were born in so the story centers on making up with the friends the protagonist essentially ghosted and helping them with their problems in ways only an untethered character like the protagonist could.

Girls prefer romanceslop.

>>8020147
Isekai isn't even real adventure, it's like a tiktok cliffnotes of the most basic description of what an adventure probably used to be back when people wrote real stories.

>>8020170
That's just post-apoc but with less steps and trying to inject too many real world consequences that can't be solved by the protagonist being unfairly overpowered. It'll never catch on as a genre.

>>8019952
Yeah really the only problems I have with it are spelling related and the paneling not being that exciting, the art is all pretty great.

File: Tsashrogo.jpg (1021 KB, 1500x1500)

1021 KB JPG

Revisited these guys while I'm still going over the outline for Chapter 6 prior to any storyboarding. This faction's time to show up in the comic is slowly approaching, so I thought I'd drawn them again. Hadn't done so prior for six years, lol.

the male market is too saturated, give me your best ideas for stories aimed at female demographic

>>8020256
50 Shades but the dude is Beast from Beauty& but he only turns into Beast during the full moon or something, otherwise he's a tall prettyman with animal ears and tail

>>8020256
50 shades but the dude is a pop idol but secretly a vampire. He's otter mode and tall, and there's also other vampires like him fighting for the main girl's love.

>tablet: powered on
>palm rejection glove: equipped
>stylus: in hand
Time to doomscroll on my phone for the next 3 hours

>>8020256
Naruto but they play accordions.

>>8020256
>give me your best ideas for stories aimed at female demographic
Sorry, i am not into sodomy.

Wasn't there an an /mmg/ regular who said despite not aiming for women as a reading demographic his comic somehow got popular among them anyway?

>an average manga chapter of around 15-20 pages has around 100 panels +/- 20
If you think like this then drawing a chapter becomes more managable I think. All you have to do is doing 10 doodles everyday for 10 days and then you should have enough material for a chapter. You just have to draw the same characters and somewhat know where the story goes.

At least that's how I'm doing it atm. I just can't force myself to get good ideas in writing. I can pretty much draw cool shit on autopilot tho.

G-guys?
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/3PHBQDN0qrE

>>8020411
Blonde white girls in japan are treated like goddesses. I'm happy for her, she will find a rich husband there and all her manga dreams will come true. She'll likely have an anime in a few years.

https://youtu.be/aFcSf4vq8to?is=LTuoV1h-mFGOpVPj

>>8020256
>how do I appeal to women?
If you did you wouldn't be on 4chan.

>>8020426
How do they know she is blonde if the manga is black and white?

File: alice 1762578687937249.jpg (1.63 MB, 4857x3439)

1.63 MB JPG

Are you published yet, Alice-anon?

Redpill me on this poster specifically and not the guy he's talking about >>8020453

>>8020256
I dont think women read. All those webtoons with thousands of supposed women are just bots. I've never once seen a woman that even knows what a webtoon is.

>>8020126
women are already living life on Creative mode, they dont need isekai. See >>8020411

>>8020473
I know several who do, who even pay for it. I think women are far more willing to pay for things than men.

>>8020476
how do I study these women? what sites do they congregate?

>>8020473
Women read books more than men do and spend more than men on consumer entertainment goods.

>>8020450
My man, they know even the credit card number of the most secretive vtubers.

>>8020481
Actual social media websites like insta and twitter, but good luck parsing through which ones are women and which ones are netflix adaptations of women

>>8020481
Just study what's popular. Love&Deepspace is THE most popular gacha mobile game, and it's catered to women.

Personally, I think it's a bad idea to try to cater to an audience you don't fully understand.

>>8020508
What could possibly go wrong?

File: 32423436df.png (412 KB, 1049x883)

412 KB PNG

>>8020016
by no means an expert, but I personally find starting comic document off the rip disjointing, so I draw myself some rectangles and tile 'em, with room on the sides to workshop dialogue or pictures or whatever, keep it loose.

>>8019869
I'm not american.

File: file.png (1.35 MB, 1366x900)

1.35 MB PNG

>>8020126
>>8020147
>>8020155
Guys there's fucking loads of isekai shit aimed at women. It's all that "blah blah villainess" stuff.
https://www.anime-planet.com/manga/tags/villainess

>>8020411
So... what's the world record, here? Did I just get fucking clickbaited?

File: Capture.jpg (190 KB, 1125x803)

190 KB JPG

The mangaka I'm working for as an assistant just has his manga serialization started.
Please give it a read.
>https://kmanga.kodansha.com/title/10717/episode/367630

>>8020603
this is so unbelievably cool i’m dying

>>8020603
You've got a competent sensei there. That's some real quality sci-fi. Probably won't be very populare tho.

>>8020603
Very nice dude. Which parts did you draw?

File: Capture.jpg (177 KB, 1173x867)

177 KB JPG

>>8020615
It got heavily revised because I still couldn't fully conceptualize the artstyle the mangaka was going for, but I drew the space colony in double page spread of page 42-43.
I also drew the time bomb, guns, hangar, cockpit interiors, helmets, UIs, and applying screentones.

>>8020630
Neat, good job.
I think revising assistant work happens a lot, so don't feel too bad.

>>8020603
>>8020630
Based GMI anon

>>8020630
All digital?

>>8020630
Tell your sensei that he is talented but sadly still lives in the 80s. Stoic sci-fi doesn't sell anymore. People want romance and cute girls.

File: 1787192259525411.png (244 KB, 640x529)

244 KB PNG

>>8020256
>>8020518
Imagine wasting years starting and quitting shit you don't give too fucks about in a desperate attempt to get a girlfriend for starters. The fags who think 'muh female audience' would be easier to appeal to severely underestimates how high the bar is for female comics in general. Women aren't picky over east vs western art styles but don't think for a second art skill doesn't matter. This isn't women sports where you can troon LARP and overpower other with some physical advantage, this is drawing. More than half of you don't even outdraw meme comics like "i'm not starfire." or "boyfriends", the fuck makes you think you can magically outdraw women who are passionate about women's comics and knows what appeals to them? Y'all dumb as hell...

>>8020646
Shut up, fag

File: d8eh3d9zkb1.jpg (235 KB, 850x840)

235 KB JPG

Kinda of an stupid question, but knowing how to make good manga or get better at it, something that you can develop with practice/millage or is necessary to learn from books and shit like anatomy?
Unlike learning to draw where there is like a begginer how to get started there's in for manga isn't?

if i there is one can you niggas help with it or do i just keep learning shit by myself and hope that all works together somehow.

>>8020662
Manga is hard to get into. Just try and do it. If you fail then maybe search for guides. Then try again and fail. Search for more guides. Try again and fail. Rinse and repeat.

>>8020662
A lot of it is going to be trial and error but a quick browse through Scott McCloud's Understanding Comics has never hurt anyone looking to make something, as he also walks through all the different aspects of what goes into a comic and he doesn't forget to discuss manga a bit as well. Outside of that, if you're ever having trouble depicting a certain idea or scene, you can also look at how different mangakas addressed the issue. Remember, you are essentially depicting a film in limited frames. Each panel is your "camera." Make sure your camera is showing what you want the reader to see.

>>8020575
>men dream of being heroes
>women relate to villains
Environmental storytelling

>>8020671
Always remember kids, it wasn't The Serpent who gave Adam the forbidden fruit. It's Eve.

File: Capture.jpg (216 KB, 913x683)

216 KB JPG

>>8020645
Yes.

>>8020669
>Remember, you are essentially depicting a film in limited frames. Each panel is your "camera." Make sure your camera is showing what you want the reader to see.
Thanks, i never thought of it thay way.

>>8020667
i will just keep at it as usual then.

>>8020671
its more like women see themselves as a good person pushed to the dark side by life. The smallest difficulty will make a woman dye their hair and throw away all their dolls. I've never read any of these stories but I doubt the villainnesses are actually evil or commit atrocities

>>8020679
No.
They know they're wrong, they just don't care because they know they can get away with.
Why do you think we now have a mom who gain million of supporter after she murdered her own children.
Some women just want to watch the world burn.

>>8020463
He is trying to ride coattails

>>8020660
I'm just trying to help faggot. Look at Tsutomu Nihei. His hardboiled stoic style didn't sell at all. He had to switch to cutesy romance style.

>>8020662
There is no such thing as a guide that will lead you to making good comics. It just does not exist. You need to make comics and gradually improve over time by analyzing your work and trying to do better next time over and over.

>>8020669
Thing is, Scott's books are a fun read, but they just aren't going to get you anywhere. There is no difference in skill between somebody making their first comic who has read his books and one who hasn't.

>>8020679
Of course not, it's self-insert power fantasy stuff just the same as any isekai schlock. "Villainess" is just the word in the title that results in more sales. Same way "Isekai/Another World/Reincarnated" does.

>>8020630
>>8020673
Geniuinely looks really great.
Did you have a detailed sketch to work with or just a rough storyboard?

>>8020690
I'm sure the author in question would love your feedback. Feel free to tell him yourself.

>>8020660
So far every comment related to this hasn't mentioned anything beyond "romance comics" or something similar. It strikes me as clueless.
Demographics relate to selling something. Why even talk about demographics if you don't have something to sell? Is there even a portfolio of finished works to see at all?

>>8020662
You're lucky there are guides on yt and there are even authors who have guides in english. I didn't have access to guides, so I just learned by reading manga and observing composition, panel stucture and techniques.
Of course the best way to learn is by doing it and getting feedback. Overall people in this thread usually try to be as helpful as they can.

File: comic with texture 0820.jpg (1.05 MB, 1805x1697)

1.05 MB JPG

Do you think there's any worth in adding a slight paper texture to my comic?
It increases the file size, and maybe it's a deliberate reducation in artistic quality if it's just a fake effect being applied rather than a natural part of the medium.
But I wonder if it makes the art look more appealing or not.

File: monkey-rape.jpg (2.48 MB, 3000x4000)

2.48 MB JPG

Do people genuinely despise seeing hot women being sexualized in manga or they're just virtue signaling? Or just shit-posting?

>>8020727
That particular page has its horror themes undone by the woman looking like a plastic kpop doll posing for a gravure shoot instead of a real person scared for her life

Its about what is appropriate to the scene

File: Art_of_Record_of_Lodoss_W(...).jpg (285 KB, 1200x923)

285 KB JPG

>>8020726
A picture like this has a texture to it. Does it improve it, or would it look better if it were digitally smooth?

>>8020727
Is it a porn manga? If not, then you gooners need to realize most people don't want rape shoved in their face. If you plan on telling a normal story, just know you will alienate a huge portion of the audience from doing this. They will never recommend it to anyone else no matter how good the rest of the story is.

File: __oyuki_urusei_yatsura__1(...).jpg (199 KB, 800x925)

199 KB JPG

>>8020735
Or this, to use a paper texture instead of a printing dot texture

File: boobs.jpg (735 KB, 1600x1137)

735 KB JPG

>>8020732
>>8020736
Is it the rape?
Or is it the hot female?
Which is it?

>>8020748
You are so gooner minded you can't even see why people don't want graphic rape/sex in their normal reading routines? This looks like a porn manga so I don't think it's even relevant to what I'm talking about.

>>8020748
Any straight male likes rape in manga. Don't listen to the moralfaggots. They are hypocrites.

File: 3783b8b6-2784-43b5-8dbb-5(...).png (1.14 MB, 1125x1600)

1.14 MB PNG

>>8020772
My jeet.

File: 1736619613273.jpg (808 KB, 1125x1600)

808 KB JPG

>>8020753
Pleb.
Rape in general manga are way hotter than ero manga.

I hate schizos so much bros.

Anyone who unironically uses the term gooner needs to be taken out behind the shed and put down with a shotgun.

if you need nudity and sex to get eyes on your product, what you're trying to sell is not worth more than the slop it is and only shows you either know your shit sucks hence why you need sex or you know gooners are fucking retarded and will die for you.

You could genuinely make a comic where its all more or less porn, sell it at insane prices, draw the non-sex scenes as the /beg/giest low effort shit ever, put a tiny bit more effort into the sex scenes, write the most retarded non dialogue ever and epic porn addicts who are epic because they are fighting the cringe puritan moralfags who want to ban nude women from the universe, will retaliate against any criticism of it with the power of 20 million autistic suns.

>>8020817
This.
If a manga has even a single hot female character in it, it's a slop.
A good manga is where the girls are all ugly and yet can still be interesting. It's a prove that the story is good.

Why are you posting like a rabid lunatic?

>implying
you don't draw
you don't think about creating
you just consume like the pig you are

kill yourself

>>8020817
I know a guy who does porn comics and he tells me him and his peers all hate their customers

File: 1787144729631.jpg (125 KB, 1080x1080)

125 KB JPG

hot girls belong in hentai
all girls in manga should be mid so it doesn't offend the minorities

wow very offensive and baiting, anon
you getting many (you)s on /v/?

Excuse me for asking this, but how many of you are women? What's your problem?

Me? I'm a big fan of women, but i'm a bigger fan of discussing my hobbies in a technical manner

What i'm not a fan of is brown underage subhumans who still don't get they're getting fucked with

imagine being such a tasteless pigger than you see titty and will throw away your money and your dignity and any self-respect only to bitch and moan when those selling things to you are taking it away so you have to pay more for them.

It's revolting on a human level.

>>8020726
Looks ass. If you want an analog look, without actually doing it in trad. Print it out and scan it in again.

>>8020630
>assistant does mostly all this
>all credit goes to the main guy
>only way assistant gets any credit is by going out of their way to bring it up
Based Japan shitting on the little guy

File: 1787144533399547.jpg (366 KB, 1209x1653)

366 KB JPG

Every manga should follow the example of Witch Hat Atelier where the girls have amazing designs, none of the girl is sexualized and are all covered up from neck to toe.

>>8020871
They're all little kids, bro, they shouldn't be sexualized anyway.

>>8020679
>good person pushed to the dark side by life
Not entirely untrue. They're told they are victims of everything, that they deserve the world, the law favors them, and everywhere they turn there are men who reward them just for existing. Absolute power corrupts.

>>8020871
So you think the girls are ugly?

>>8020690
>everyone needs to dumb themselves down or else I will doompost at them to "help"
You're the worst kind of crab.
>>8020696
>There is no difference in skill between somebody making their first comic who has read his books and one who hasn't.
This is the dumbest thing I've read in this entire thread.

File: IndonesiaBeachAnimeCensor(...).png (886 KB, 711x800)

886 KB PNG

A rule of thumb to know whether your female character design is too sexualized or not is this:
>if your manga gets an anime adaptation, can it air in Southeast Asia's TV without getting censored?
If the answer is yes, you pass the no-sexualization test.
Very simple.

>>8020727
Some of it is performative from drive-by fags who were never going to read it, some of it is genuine because if they wanted horror or whatever then the sexy poses are kind of distracting. I used to largely dismiss this behavior until it got me in Steins Gate 0 when this one important character gets killed and the view is focused on her ass, it just deflated the scene for me.

>>8020869
It isn't uncommon to credit assistants in the books.

>>8020876
>This is the dumbest thing I've read in this entire thread.
I take it you disagree then. What's your counterpoint?

>>8020872
>suddenly: >>8020878

File: titan SNK_0101-005.jpg (557 KB, 1067x1600)

557 KB JPG

>>8020871
Don't forget Attack on Titan, a manga brimming with strong badass masculine female with 0 femininity that even if they all turned into male the plotline won't change at all.
Every manga should be like this.

File: Indonesia-HeroAcademia-Mo(...).jpg (1.66 MB, 3016x4032)

1.66 MB JPG

>>8020878
>if your manga gets an anime adaptation
Too far-fetched, how about just leave it at if your manga gets localized instead?

>>8020887
>, a manga brimming with strong badass masculine female with 0 femininity that even if they all turned into male the plotline won't change at all.
Of course gender is just a social construct, to hold wymin down. In a society without patriarchy, shit like that would never be invented in the first place.

>>8020893
This.
As a ryona-chad, I'd like to watch a mix-gender MMA.
Fuck patriarchy for not allowing this to happen.

>>8020894
>I'd like to watch a mix-gender MMA.
Ahem, Chud, before that we need to smash patriarchy, build communism and castrate every boy at the age of 6, only than we can talk about "mixed gender" whatever.

sexualization is going out of style because everyone is already so overloaded with porn they want a break when they're reading actual story

>>8020897
No, it's the opposite.
The 'elites' want to sterilize our media so the good goycattle will have resort to their monopolized porn sites to fulfil their sexual desire.

>>8020898
why are they banning porn everywhere then

>>8020887
This is actually a pretty good example of displaying a character's feminine traits in a serious situation without focusing on them in a sexual way.

>>8020897
>>8020898
These aren't mutually exclusive, the "elites" don't dictate every single individual action. You are responsible for what you think is cringe.

File: Pg 05.png (76 KB, 849x1329)

76 KB PNG

Since you guys are just shitting all over the thread to try to ragebait one another like a bunch of horny little girls craving for attention I will just go ahead and repost my comic so I can see if I can get any useful feedback and since I end up posting at the end of the last thread. This work is 100% just for fun, so any opnion is welcome.

https://imgur.com/a/YEd8lwj

>>8020927
very cute, I like it. Only thing is maybe the screentones are a bit harsh. Honestly could look better with color considering how much effort you already put into the tones, probably the same amount of time would be spent with color

>>8020932
Well, because it's not really screentones, it is actually dithering. Because it's all black and white pixels the image changes depending on how zoom in it because the way modern software now a days deal with pixel density and antialiasing, if you zoom in or zoom out it will look quite different, which is an oddity of the entire thing, but I like it and is much easier to use than normal screen tones. I wanted to do normal screentones this time using krita but I gave up because I'm already so used to using paint for my art, it was just a simpler choice.
I think colors add an entirely new different type of issue and a layer of complexity that I really don't want to deal with. You need to think about the mood of the scene, the backgrounds and lighting, color contrast, hue contrast and hue shifts what you are trying to convey and emotion and blah blah blah. It flattens the entire art and makes it less dynamic if you don't know what you are doing. I know very few artists who can use colors effectively in comicsand they always use limited palettes or outskill me immensely,and black and white always end up looking better, I rather stick to what is simple and I know it works.

>>8020927
>>8020938
Your style is cute, but the dithering dots are too much, they are currently working like active eye repellant no matter what level of zoom I'm in. I'd use just regular brushes to shade in greyscale or go full color. The other thing is that you tend to word dump on some of these pages and have to reduce the font size to squeeze in a whole bunch of sentences for what is essentially not important talking. If those could have been spread out via an additional panel or page it would jave been great, but its not like it's a deal breaker or anything. Anyway, really good work getting this all done, dude.

File: 15052025.png (142 KB, 556x1638)

142 KB PNG

>>8020951
Thanks. yeah, you are right, by next chapter I will try fixing the dithering issue, I can think in other ways of doing something similar that would look less harsh. I totally agree on the word dump, it's even a thing I made fun of a few months ago because people kept pointing out I put too much text on my shit.

I'm just trying to lessen the load of work I have to do in the drawing department. Since this is more of a traditional comic instead of the short strips I was doing I don't have an excuse anymore. thanks for the feedback.

>>8020927
A little bit bloated, but quite nice, good lineart. Fonts are shit and the screen tones gave me eye cancer, what was you even thinking?

File: 1758869191996386.png (187 KB, 1333x1018)

187 KB PNG

>>8019797
Made an AIshit CSP replacement for Windows
https://github.com/bluescreenoff/MangaNakama

You can fully make a manga with it already.
Though I doubt it's superior to CSP yet. Main selling points rn are:
+free
+attempts to use graphics card

If you have a graphics card feel free to send me your logs after trying some features out since I can't use mine for another month or so.

And share any feedback or logs by opening an issue or emailing me at bluescreen.off@gmail.com

>>8020993
Also if anyone wants to just straight up contribute features, you can probably just pay for some AIshit like zcode's plan seems a decent bang for your buck and ask it to make the change and make a pull request. Openly accepting any contributions.
Of course you can manually code and contribute too but the project is already certifiably AIshit so I don't know if anyone would want to manually try to understand it.

>>8020957
>I totally agree on the word dump, it's even a thing I made fun of a few months ago because people kept pointing out I put too much text on my shit.
Its fine if you keep that rabbit talking too much like he's the (relative) Boomhauer of his comic and other characters not even responding to half of the stuff he talks about. That way when a real life reader eventually gets tired and skips, they're able to participate in the joke that even the other bunnies aren't paying attention either.

>>8020993
>AI slop
>rust slop

>>8021056
valid criticism

>>8020993
Why not just use Krita?

Has anyone experience with coloring comics traditionally?
I do lines with a brush. Tried to color with watercolors, but many colors are too dense, like cads are too strong, they interfere with the lines.
Do you color the pencils and put lines at the end over everything? Im not the biggest fan of that.
Saw a guy scanning the linework, coloring it, scanning again and layering the two scans over each other to have crisp lines... I would avoid that, it may work for an illustration, but it's too much for a comic with several pages.

>>8021078
I bought alcohol markers, they are quite cool but searching for colors and mixing your own tones is a pain in the ass. A little limited palette of watercolors is so much more handy.

>>8019855
But you LEARNED something and that's what matters

>>8020817
>>8020823
nudity and sex are not just some cheap tricks, they're a part of art and the human experience.

>>8021093
They rarely are in manga or movies.

>>8020957
Not to critique a shitpost but you could also condense what you're saying like swapping "go through the" with "run the"

>>8021093
They rarely are for manga readers

>>8021102
And how much of that is because of censors and ratings which in turn limit how big of a public they are allowed to market to? Part of the blame stems from artifical barriers.

There is nothing wrong with sexualization. Females are subhumans and should be treated as objects.

>>8021102
>>8021109
It's a form of self-expression. And way more honest and authentic than the average hero story.

>>8021062
does krita have the multiple page viewer things like CSP ex? That's one pain point I would have. otherwise it's nice to just be able to edit something to have everything i want

>>8021078
Manga isn't traditionally colored at all
Color comics were always done with bottled inks and brushes until the advent of computers.

>>8021116
It's not honest or authentic because it's painfully obvious the dudes drawing it have zero real life experience with women or sex. The only honest part is that they have nothing in their minds or souls except obsessing over the sex they can't have.

>>8021209
Actual artists distance themselves from their characters. Your argument is complete nonsense. You are not supposed to write a biography you dumb faggot

>>8021218
Then how the fuck is it authentic or honest?

Anons, what program do I use? I've been using paper and pencil exclusively, but finally bought a drawing tablet for PC and then got filtered by Krita. Do I keep at it and look for YT tutorials, or is there a more beginner friendly option I should start with?

>>8021229
CSP
All digital is going to have a learning curve because it's a completely different workflow from trad.

>>8021218
no, hes right. Anime and manga generally show women as caring and loving people which is completely unrealistic.

>>8020993
>AI code

Fuck yourself.

>>8021206
Ink straight out of the jarr are too saturated. I have a feeling they don’t mix as i would expect it from watercolor.
Back in the days many mangaka used water colors. Togashi does most of his covers with them.
I wonder how the westernors did it back in the day. Did they colored the original inks? Bold if.
I like oversaturated look of the origanal Killing Joke for example. But that’s nothin i want to re

>>8021238
I'll use the free trial, but I'd also like a free program to get used to how it feels first. Unless you're saying CSP is so massively better that it would be a waste of time to start anywhere else, in which case do they ever put the lifetime pass on sale?

>>8021116
I want to be a hero more than I want to have sex, that's why I've taken more opportunities to help people than I have to jump into bed with someone.

>>8020603
that's amazing! congrats to you and mr Hitomoji, how did you get in contact with him? do you speak japanese?

>>8021218
>Actual artists distance themselves from their characters.
I hope you don't actually believe this.
>>8021229
>>8021252
CSP is the best and easiest to use with the most QoL features, but Krita is fucking great, just look up some tutorials on what you're having trouble with and just fyi you can close the windows of the stuff you don't need that's taking up screen space.

I want to be Togashis assistant, what do?

>>8021286
Kill yourself and reincarnate into a Japanese fast enough to grow up and become his assistant before he dies

>>8021286
Transition to Togashis assistant gender

Okey, my idea for my manga is combining Gravity Falls and Hunter. With that i can get all the Japanese and the Western audience. Maybe senpei will even notice me.

>>8021297
I'm stealing your idea, and I will make it faster than you. Thanks.

>>8021299
You will not.

>>8020735
I like it. Tho for some reason it rings AI, not sure why.

File: webtoon slop art style.jpg (137 KB, 1200x847)

137 KB JPG

I can't see the difference.

>>8021312
Nta but it's because LLM "art" still only does well focusing on a single subject from like the thighs up at most, it can do much more but that's mostly where it shines at least in a lot of the porn I've seen so people use it for busts a lot

>>8021312
>not sure why
beg eyes

>>8021314
Ethnecity is a social construct, CHud

>>8021314
The label on top

File: reimu kaguya 3.png (3.75 MB, 1780x2631)

3.75 MB PNG

>>8020603
>https://kmanga.kodansha.com/title/10717/episode/367630
I really like the robot design, reminds me about fafner in the azure robots

>>8021314
Makeup style, I guess?

File: 7 artifact_009.jpg (376 KB, 650x959)

376 KB JPG

Hi guys, looking for feedback on Chapter 5/6 (end of volume1) of Detective Hefferchu, tapas/webtoons/pixiv/inkstra/GC links @ https://efsius.net

I will be streaming the preparation of volume1 for print throughout the next few weeks.
https://www.twitch.tv/efsius1/
https://www.youtube.com/@efsius1/streams

lessons I've learned regarding print (so far):
*account for the glue edge of binding
*convert to monochrome for the final page

File: tezuka.jpg (107 KB, 791x1069)

107 KB JPG

What can go so wrong if I put in my porn pen name?
I used to draw fucked-up stuff, including loli.

File: Capture.jpg (122 KB, 739x895)

122 KB JPG

>>8021261
>how did you get in contact with him?
I just spray and pray job applications in GANMO.
And the employer (his editor) contacted me.

>do you speak japanese?
Not really.
We do our communication in LINE, so I only need to be able to read and follow instructions.
We don't do any verbal communication.

>>8020696
>Did you have a detailed sketch to work with or just a rough storyboard?
Both, sometimes it's the former, sometimes it's the latter.

>>8021475
You will be associated with it, for better or worse.

>>8021206
>Manga isn't traditionally colored at all
Oh yeah, I forgot there was never ever colored manga pages before the advent of digital coloring and that everybody who did color their work digitally (they don't exist) swapped to digital or died with the advent of digital coloring.

>>8021501
Gotcha, thanks for the reply.

>>8021206
>>8021555
Huh? The popular way of coloring manga is with traditional copic markers.

File: 21.png (506 KB, 1000x960)

506 KB PNG

Good artists use printer-invisible pens, so surely if I just keep making my pen bluer and blue I will eventually become a good artist.

I really don't think this panel structure is gonna work out, which is a shame because I think the joke is very funny. It's too squeemshed.

>>8021657
dam, whos the big lady?

File: disaster.png (446 KB, 920x1762)

446 KB PNG

>>8021666
Shh.
It's a secret

File: Screenshot 2026-08-21 141912.png (1.07 MB, 873x804)

1.07 MB PNG

how come they get a comic, and I have to work 9 hours a day doing fucking IT. IT sucks so much. Honestly just thinking about quitting and trying to make it for 6 months, I got over 25k saved

https://idwpublishing.com/products/love-languages

>>8021711
>have to sell your soul to the globohomo to get published

No thanks.

>>8021711
you don't have to be good to get published.

>>8020671
Why are men so good and women so evil? If they had physical power, I'm sure they'd have committed more violence than us.

>>8020671
Women tend to identify with villainous characters more because (in addition to other factors) they feel themselves pressured to act a certain way by society, and see the fantasy of embracing an active villain role as empowering. It's part of the reason that witches are so popular.

>>8021744
>>8020671
Think I agree with this, but what about all the people that identify with Walter White, Tony Soprano, and Saul Goodman? I guess you could say they acknowledge they are bad men

>>8021747
Same idea, probably
Also just that villains are often really fertile ground for good characters, and people identify with good characters.
Walter White's whole deal of
>I have worked hard my whole life but due to decisions made hastily in my youth and then maintained out of a sense of social obligation, I come to the end of my life feeling unsatisfied, having a family I love but a deep emptiness that they don't fill
is actually a very feminist plight.
With male applicability, of course.

>>8020575
Its funny because the vilainess is just a regular karen

>>8021711
it's not like they're making any money with this

Guys, im thinking about my idea of a cartoonish drawn battle shonen. And my question is, are there even popular cartoon comics out there? Adventure time, gravity falls, rick and morty… those are all original animations. The publish comics afterwards, most of the time not highly relevant.
Maybe my plan is flawed. I can’t really remember a comic that looks like adventure time that got popular. In the west its cape shit only.
If so i should probably target the Japanese audience more?

>>8021789
Maybe draw what you want? If your goal is to be popular draw romance webtoons

>>8021738
It's balance.

>>8021789
If they're popular then searching "popular [genre] comics" should be a cinch

>>8021802
Manga is Communication with other people. It needs to be seen.
Romance? I thought about. I never read stuff like that myself. But i had an idea about a romance manga about a girl that is the typical morn whore fucking with a ton of guys, egoistic and egocentric, but the manga would not show or tell that directly.
Like she is bored of her bf so she fucks someone who is bigger, more atractive with a massive penis. And it’s obvious that she is just whoring around, but she is like, oh no Mike is not giving menthe right feeling, he is notbunderstanding my delecat nature, Chad is my soulmate he makes me feel whole again…
And than maybe it switches genre like she gets aids or something.
Nice idea but it’s way too much work of course, i don’t think i could be subtle enough with it eighter

>>8021738
Most men are shit too.

>>8021805
What is that genre called, i have no idea?

>>8021812
Start looking up comic genre names, I am not your personal google.

>>8021810
Sure but the manga has to have something worth communicating, so far you just come off as an idea guy with no vision

>>8021819
So you have no idea what you’re talking about?

>>8021820
I am someone who likes character development and interactions. But that’s something thats hard to plan. The dialog, timing, pacing, art all that has to work togheter. You can plan having 2 chars with good chemistry between them, but actually drawing it is a complete another story.

>>8021810
that sounds more like some incel rant than a story idea

>>8021810
>a girl that is the typical morn whore fucking with a ton of guys, egoistic and egocentric
Jesus man, I'm sorry about your mom, but that is not typical.

File: 1707236389352938.png (96 KB, 280x280)

96 KB PNG

>>8021823
>walks into a pizzeria
>I am someone who likes combining pizza dough, cheese, and mozzarella sauce. But that’s something thats hard to plan. The temperature, timing, ingredients, cooking all that has to work togheter. You can plan having 2 ingredients with good cooking time between them, but actually making a pizza it is a complete another story.

>>8021851
Thats more or less the idea. Incel lore hidden behind a romance.
>>8021856
That's typical for a modern western wymin.
>>8021857
What i mean is a good plot is much more theoretical. If you have a good concept, it's half the race, already. Even if the execution is mediocre, a good concept can lift a story up.
Characters are pure execution.

>>8021863
>Characters are pure execution.
Tell Mr. Bus driver I said hi

>>8021864
I don't get the reference, or maybe just poor execution.

>>8021711
>cant draw
>cant paint
>terrible story

have higher standards for yourself frenon

This new ESinceL has ruined this thread. We really need a fucking moderator on this board.

Talking about manga in a manga thread, how dear you!

>>8021863
Plot doesn’t matter in manga. There’s manga about literally everything you can think of. Ideas and world building are a trap. Manga is made of pictures and character dialogue, not prose descriptions of abstract concepts. Draw a character and a speech bubble. It’s no more complicated than that

>>8021960
>Plot doesn’t matter in manga
It does, a bad plot has ruin a lot of manga. Simple plot can be fine, but bad one, not really.
For your character to shine, you need a cool scene, to have a cool scene, you need a plot.
>Ideas and world building are a trap.
That's is true. I did that for too long.
I was world building for years. And i was drawing and painting. But i've never produced comics.
That was a mistake, for sure.

>>8021960
Nothing really matters because most people have shit taste anyway. You can sell them shit in a can and if you have a populare name they will buy it.

There are manga with good plots. There are also many manga with literal shitposts as plots tho. However even that requires ideas. You need to be actually funny and have good pacing to be able to shitpost.

>>8021964
>>8021966
Not saying the plot should be bad on purpose. Just that manga can be about anything and nobody will even judge you for it as long as it’s interesting

>>8021970
>manga can be about anything and nobody will even judge you for it as long as it’s interesting
I think you mix up the theme and plot. Plot is the structure.
If we are talking about nieche themes, plot is even more important. If your manga is about a sport no one cares about, you need to have strong plot beats.
If it's about girls with big tits fighting, you can have a bad plot and people may still like it.

>>8021970
Just because there are manga about everything doesn't mean that plot is irrelevant.

>>8021972
This.

The thing about plot and ideas is just that a good writer can create a decent plot even with shit ideas.
A lot of what makes a plot interesting is just being able to think logically and going with the flow.
If you are able to find the pace of a scene then you can make any scenario interesting.
This doesn't mean that ideas are irrelevant tho.

File: saki.png (508 KB, 743x889)

508 KB PNG

>>8021972
What if we have young girls with big tits playing a sport no one cares about?

>>8021983
>What if we have young girls with big tits playing a sport no one cares about?
Open the gate a little.

I have taken a snall water break from drawing to say this: I don't understand how there are so many ESL Howies in this general that are nothing more than ideas guys with extra steps. They are in love with the idea of being a comic creator, they are in love with the idea of being able to say "yeah I'm making a comic" but then they just endlessly focus on this and that and whatever having to be juuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuust right before a single pixel hits a digital canvas or a single bulleted list hits their storyboard outline. Just get started instead of endlessly expounding on pointless details or semantics. Ever notice how some of the more artistic/productive anons seemingly aren't here all that much unless they've got some kind of artwork/progress to share? It's one thing to discuss techniques, it's another to perform endless navel gazing.

>>8021987
Oh it's another guy who seems to know everything.
You obviously have superpowers and can see exactly what kind of a person is behind every post so it's best to ignore you. You already know everythign about me. My whole daily routine 24/7, my whole life, you read me like an open book. And all this just from some sentences I wrote on a taiwanese dishwasher forum. Amazing!

>>8021991
begone, brown tourist.

File: 1781202200210827.png (270 KB, 960x676)

270 KB PNG

>>8021991
>You already know everythign about me. My whole daily routine 24/7
I know FO' SHO it contains 0 minutes of drawing

>>8021987
>I have taken a snall water break from drawing to say this
Yeah, sure...
The amount of theory and practice is different for everyone. You can do too much of both.

>>8021314
Arr rook da same

>>8020603
Better than any of what the Australian niggas are doing, like Dinglefaggot. You should be proud anon

>>8022080
And where is exactly is your work?

>>8022080
why are you so bitter and resentful

>>8022080
I'm not sure why anybody is supposed to be angry at Dingle or any other anon even for that matter solely because of what they draw. Making a comic isnt some weird structural hierarchy. Why are you this mad at him?

>>8021987
its a trolling tactic, people just fish for yous.

>>8020453
Motherfucker its been fucking months already, he aint getting fucking published

>>8022206
>months
Years.

AAAAAH, STORYBOARDING TAKES TOO LONG!!

I can't read Togashis manga anymore, every time i see his line work, the tasteful simplification, i know i can never be as good as him and i feel depressed.

>>8022251
There is only one solution

>>8022258
You are right, i will start working even harder!

I posted on /beg/, but I think here is more relevant. I am getting to a point where I am thinking about buying a bunch of the cheapest paper and doing storyboarding fully trad. I feel like, especially sketching stuff, I am waaay slower on digital setup.

Digital tooling is good for a bunch of things, but I can't find a flow that is as comfortable and fast as trad.

>>8022309
So?

>>8022311
I wanted to know if others have similar experiences.

>>8022314
Experience with drawing with a pencil on paper?
I'm not an expert on that, but i'm sure that has been done before.
No, seriously, what is the question? Just do it.

>>8022309
To me digital art is just a crutch. Anyone who uses it is just too incompetent and lazy for trad.

>>8022317
Lol, i have no philosophical problems drawing with a tablet, i'm doing it for many years. But practically speaking, i am better and faster on paper or canvas.
Especially when drawing anatomy, i feel the form so much better on paper.

>>8022317
Manga is fine, but webtoon vertical strips are a little trickier, no? But here is the thing: I feel less lazy dealing with trad than digital because it seems less cognitively draining. But currently I have no way to scan my shit to digital, so I am kind of stuck on digital for the time being.

>>8022317
I do trad and digital, and started with trad. I like both for different reasons.

>>8022317
yeah probably, but as somebody who struggled with trad art for years, digital is so much easier and within a year, has made my art go from a leve where it sucked, to actually being at a level where people tell me how cool it is.

Normies dont care and cant tell if your manga is trad or digital. Its funny too cause people tell me how much i improved in a year, and think my old art was digital too

>>8022309
>>8022363
Seconded, people aren't going to know the difference if you went that route. I started by doing everything digitally and switched to paper because haptic is more rewarding. You're only talking about drawing storyboards so it's w/e, just do it. If you're talking about doing everything traditionally though that would be much more involved.

>>8022080
beg hands wrote this

The more I try to progress in this path, the more I appreciate even the shittiest ones out there. Doing manga is hard and it is a lot of work.

>>8021821
I google stuff all the time and pretty much always find what I need, the point is you come across as a completely useless ideas guy and expect to walk in here thinking we will drop what we're doing to write out a detailed five year plan for your epic kino that you're totally going to work on. Go act flippant and shitpost though, seems to be the one thing you know how to do without anybody holding your hand through it.

File: le funny animaymay.jpg (112 KB, 1280x640)

112 KB JPG

>>8021958

File: manga panels 0305.png (656 KB, 1441x874)

656 KB PNG

I made this a while ago but I'm looking to remake and expand upon it.

The idea is that there are some sorts of drawings/panels in manga that are common/tropey. You've seen them many times, they've been used for decades and will likely continue to be used for many years to come.
Beyond being merely recycled ideas, they're good ideas. If you want to draw a character kicking someone, drawing it in this particular manner, from this angle, with these speedlines, etc. looks pretty good.

It's a bit like a modern manga version of Wally West's 22 panels that always work I like to think.
Though what I've got there isn't perfect. First of all it's not exhaustive, and it's some of these are more common while others less so.
But more concerningly is the presentation of them. I want to make them as minimalist as possible, not for ease for drawing, but for ease of understanding. If I were to draw them with an existing character, that might lead someone to only be able to conceive of the panel with that character or that expression or that outfit, etc. I want to show just the barebones artistic effect, on its own without any distraction.
However some of these common panels do involve facial expressions. Or like in the case of the one at the bottom second from the left, it demands wind, which I've shown with hair, but it would equally work with a bald character who happens to have a flowly scarf or something.

>>8021960
>not prose descriptions of abstract concepts
Demonstrably untrue, most shonen is side characters being standing encyclopedias while they sit on the sidelines and explain which powers are being used and how

>>8022317
Drawing in general is a low effort hobby for eternal children

>>8022490
and even that is too far above your ability to succeed

File: manga panels 03 05 2.png (792 KB, 1441x869)

792 KB PNG

>>8022486
The reason why I want to make this is because I think such a thing could be very helpful to beginner artists, and the fact that these are so tropey in manga suggests that... perhaps in some form either physical or just mental, this sort of thing already exists amongst Japanese artists.

Do you really think that when some beginner mangaka in Japan draws a panel like one of these panels, that they have reinvented the wheel and naturally come to the same conclusion for the same need?
It's more likely that they've looked at other manga, paid astute attention, and recalled it when drawing their own panel. Without trying to be too schizo... asians are pretty good at this kind of thing, they notice patterns well and remember them well. It's part of why they're so good at tests. But we're not, we don't play as close attention, and when I see beginner artists, I see them doing things in ways that are not so optimal. They would benefit from paying closer attention to pro manga works.

I think a way to bridge this gap in observation abilities, is to basically spoonfeed people. Make a how-to-manga resource that, amongst other good manga practices, features a collection of 'panels that always work'. For which people can basically copy and put into their own works, immediately boosting the quality of them, and teaching them a little too.

>>8022486
Too many headshots, you can also use certain angles of an environment to vary a scene or different body parts to convey emotion