The copy paste no one cares about:>STICKY:New collaborative: https://hackmd.io/UMnZVhNITW-T2wZpHw6d0QHardcore: https://hackmd.io/7k0XRnIQR6SValR77TDfZw?viewHardcore (working link): https://hackmd.io/@ArtStudies/rJxNW6aonHardcore (wayback archive):https://hackmd.io/@0uRfwdEoRDiHFz9wibb5sA/ry8nyys6-lCompleted(short):https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jUeG8UTwDAK8WGC4f79IlBGIAGVipfHvo48RF5Xgxyc (sus discord server don't join)Completed: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Vm4IJpq0Mbvb-Krl5_mJ_m6TsC_qjsaN/vieww/ic/i: https://sites.google.com/site/ourwici/>WHERE to get study materials>>>/ic/artbook>>>/ic/video>Want to practice figures?quickposes.comcharacterdesigns.comlovelifedrawing.composemy.artline-of-action.com>best art teachersGlenn VilppuMichael HamptonSteve HustonBrent EvistonMarco BucciAndrew LoomisGeorge BridgmanHikaru HayashiHide Sensei>best art booksKeys To DrawingDrawing With the Right Side of the BrainHow To Draw Comics the Marvel WayThe Art and Science of DrawingFramed PerspectiveFigure Drawing For All It's WorthThe Complete Guide to Drawing From LifePrevious thread: >>8015642
>>8018476ebora still traces ai slop
EPIC OP IMAGE
>>8019314Not my problem, didn't ask
how 2 turn porn addiction into draw addiction >i keep cooming before the shitty sketch is done
>>8019314This proves my hypothesis. Drawing requires a high level of focus and patience, so a person who anxiously requests a new thread is most likely not an anon eager to present their masterpiece, but rather nodraw pollution.
>>8019314yikes
>>8019314He might trace AI, but probably used some other AI image, as the provided pic do not match at all for tracing.
>>8019327i am about to pollute the thread alright, hold up
I feel like I'm slipping and losing the energy and drive to draw or do anything at all
>>8019332look at the hips
>>8019327Yeah that nigga rushed the thread creation just to start the drama over and overLet's just ignore him guys
>>8019314>turn social media into an engagement game for potential money>people only care about porn or to engage with porn>mostly porn only makes money>"yo wtf why is everyone cheating?"not defending ai tracing and idk who that fag is but this was the obvious outcome
>>8019332he turned a low fov into a fov, but obviously we are in beg so you guys are unaware and just had to reply to the retardcan we rerail the thread? so aggressive for the first post to be this bad
>>8019308The clique back at it again huh
Almost done.
>>8019338fov? What you mean? But yeah, if a thread starts with AI, it's not a good start. I will ignore the schizo.
This is the thread. THIS is the thread for sure!
>>8019341it's mostly cool, but I would question the neck-head connection. Considering how thin the head appears to be while the neck is kind of humansized, it's some escher stuff.
>>8019359Nice
>>8019356nigger it's a robot with tits, what are you on about with anatomical accuracy
>>8019334thats the most crucial moment where you cant stop or you will never do it again
>>8019365I'm a beg so i'm obsessed with correct anatomy
>>8019366ngl I would love to die
>>8019368you wont die youll just keep living without drawing
>>8019369oh that sucks, I'm gonna v keep drawing then
>>8019366>>8019341mogs me
>>8019365I didn't mention anatomy once, I do not care about anatomy
>>8019372mogs everyone
some bad/whatever things and a couple of decent/good things from the past couple of daysi wanted to post this to complain and shit, because i am in a low moment and i dont care about these scribbles anyway but while stitching shit together i looked at my work from last week and realized what it was that i lost in the 2 days i didnt draw, so like now i posted this because i bothered to pick up the tablet and stitch the shit together
I drew this to practice rendering. I know I'm frequently regarded as /beg/ level, so I want to ask, what could I have done differently with this drawing to make it... not /beg/ level (aside from the fact the pose is basic and boring, like I said I really just wanted to hammer down rendering practice with this)? I also want to know if there's something about my process itself that may be holding me back (in your opinion). This is my process:>I begin blobbing out the basic shape of the figure with the hard round brush, usually in a base skin color.>Using a darker color, I begin sketching out lines in the "blob" to give more definition to the figure on the same layer>I begin giving more shape and definition to the figure, erasing excess outside the lines and drawing in more detail >I add shading usually on the same layer, and add highlights on a separate layer>Gradually, I add in more detail and more shading as needed until I'm done (ie the "draw the rest of the fucking owl" step) Basically, I tend to use the hard round brush like 95% of the time. I soften hard edges as needed with the blur tool. I also use the soft brush sometimes to add some shading and additional details (ie blushing), but most the time it's the former. I also tend to work on one layer a lot, at least for stuff like the base figure. I do not do the "draw linework, new layer, fill with color, new multiply layer for shading" etc strategy, it really is more like "paint a gestural blob and chip it down and sculpt it into a figure with the hard round brush" for me. This is always the way I've done it, wondering if it's a bricked strat and I should switch up, or if there's something else I can do to be less /beg/gy.
>>8019308
>>8019376post the ref
>>8019376add main light somehow
>>8019376the pose is boring but your execution isnt good anyway, the collarbone is nonsense and the shoulder in the back isnt in the right spot because of it, the arm in front is not 3d kosher, the pex looks awful just make it normal and show the pityou can put more grey in the hair and bring the ear down, skull is also not 3d kosher (the back is too fat)
>>8019378he doesnt have a ref because the pose is too "boring" and "easy"
what sort of characters should these be>>8019376it does really feel like you lighting is just not realistic enough.. with the light direction and stuff... sorry to hit you with seperate light and shadow first meme but its true
>>8019384Me on the left, (you) on the right
>>8019373Not me
>>8019356You're right, I hadn't thought about that. Thanks.
>>8019308Today’s life drawing
>>8019377this is dope but the face isnt good enough and takes away from it
i can never tell if i "forgot" how to draw or if my standards have simply went up again
>>8019384>>8019376this is what i meant
>>8019398you are better off investigating whether you forgot
idea for the next oneabove my paygrade, difficult to get all the elements properly in space
>>8019464>witch lady cute>moka potwtf>poison cupthis is why they were burnt
i didnt got to artschool and missed all my opportunities in life, it is what it is, time to go wageslave for my employerBVLLS
Really need to work on not dragging my hand across the page, smudging is really annoying
At what point of the process should I learn to draw?
>>8019332>He might trace AI, but probably used some other AI image, as the provided pic do not match at all for tracing.AI always does the same bodies it just slightly rotates the shapes and proportions, it's really boring goonslop with 0 artistry behind it. Once you see it you won't be able to unsee it so that's a start.
>>8019378Well, these two pics were sort of my references. The drawing is by Bonten. I wanted to 'combine' the images, using both the real woman's body and Bonten's as a pose inspo and general guide for the rendering. (Bonten's one of my art influences.) >>8019383I never meant to say it was 'easy,' I'm just self-aware of the fact that a 3/4 pose of a woman with her hand on her hip isn't the most creative or crazy pose out there. >>8019382Ok, work more on my anatomy, got it. And when you talk about the pex area, you mean I probably could have done without that fat roll between her chest and armpit right? >>8019384>>8019422Wow, that's great - thanks. Probably I think something I should do more is paint in black and white instead of doing color. I'll be honest, I do kinda shoot from the hip when it comes to lighting. I try to think of a general direction it's coming from and go from there, but that's not to say I get it right (I obviously do not). I'll look into that more. ---I appreciate the feedback everyone, I'm taking notes and will work on it. It helps a lot big time having some direction.
what does drawing really mean?
>>8019511why would u ever use the right image as a reference for anything thats gross looking
lmao
>>8018905>realized he should source his slop after getting called out herelol lmao
>>8019489In the middle.>>8019514Also in the middle.
>Download a model of the character I'm drawing because I hear that using 3d models can help provide references/poses>Import it>Get thisWhat the FUCK is that and how do I make it normal and manipulate it into sexy poses...
I don't draw I just come here to chat
>>8019524many such cases
>>8019522 move everything and see what happens
>>8019528I tried moving everything, but nothing actually moved or even responded to clicks no matter where I clicked, so I keyboard mashed and she became giant and outgrew her pathetic skeletal shackles... looks like I win....
>>8019522I look like this
>>8019532You can always try asking the /anime general/ on the /3/ board. I really doubt the zbrushers browse this board
>>8019524What about?
>>8019534It's okay, I'm already in the throes of learning to draw, I don't wanna stack Blender on top of that. I just figured it might be easy to pose things, but it's next to impossible to do anything without extensive training, it seems. I wish those online model posers had differently proportioned models/let you import your own.
I did the woman challenge from the last thread. Just started drawing. This took me forever to draw.
>>8019539Hell fuckin yeah, good on you for persevering. That shit was next to impossible, especially for /beg/s.
>>8019334It's not that you're going to abandon it, as the anonymous person says, but it could mean that drawing isn't giving you the satisfaction you're looking for. It's complicated and requires an analysis of your own psychology. In my case, when I don't feel like drawing, it's often because I'm exhausted from searching for an answer or because I'm satisfied enough with the answer I've found.
>>8019342field of view? like the one you set on blender or in a game...
>>8019517Two simple reasons1) Bonten is god2) I have terminal coombrain
Sasuke from the hood
>>8019375Wait a minute, don't you guys check your old drawings once in a while? Don't they appear as the last layer you drew on when you open Photoshop/Clip Studio/Procreate, etc.?
>>8019550NTA, but no way. I just crumple them up and don't look back, my art is way too painful to look at.
>>8019543it's ok, I know it's because I don't enjoy anything at all.
>>8019549dope
>>8019549*feels the aura*he even shoe mogs me..
>>8019550what do you mean layer?i open the file manager and click on shit
>>8019482just put a shit of paper under your hand covering the part you are not drawing...
>>8019489If you ever picked up a pencil and paper as a child and drew something that you then showed to your parents or a loved one, then you already know how to draw. What you don't know or don't have are the tools to make that drawing look of a certain level...
>>8019549Lol I like this
i get it, the ebonics are too recognizable
>>8019511If you don't know why the armpit-pectoral area looks or appears that way, then you need to either study the anatomy that produces that result or find more refs...
>>8019551How on earth are you going to know if you're doing something right, or using the correct technique, or if you should abandon it and rethink the process?
>>8019559I use a single file to store drawings from a period of approximately two months.
>>8019574I dunno, nobody taught me how to properly revisit my art, so I just sorta... do it in the moment? Like I note that I suck at XYZ, I guess. How do I properly do all the stuff you mentioned?
>Thought I escaped symbol drawing>I had only learned more complex symbols
>>8019587Nice
do y'all watch any art youtubers that help motivate u?
I decided to do Brunet's learn to draw faces in 30 days thing, since it seemed like an easy way to fill time when idk what else to draw. But I'm on day 2, and I've concluded that drawing 2 ellipses side by side of identical dimension is simply not possible without entering into a covenant with dark forces. I guess at least if it's this hard for me, it must be useful practice.>>8019587Very nice coomdemon anon, would enter into a covenant with her dark forces.>>8019594I'm hopelessly addicted to Youtube, so I just force feed my algorithm as much art-related content as possible so that I'm constantly reminded I should be drawing instead of binging youtube. I don't know if the individual youtubers motivate me, but as a collective they do.
Peanut time
>>8019595I like this a lot
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAI CANT FUCKING DRAW.
>>8019601Couple of these fuckers were going ham in the park today on my walk.
>>8019601when i saw these for the first time i thought somebody had lost their exotic pet lol
maybe something like these colors>>8019472witches are terrible
>>8019617neat
WHY IS EVERYONE TALENTED BUT FUCKING ME.
I am writing this graphic filler text on a decade-old laptop. I had assumed that it would be able to render plaintext webpages, as this is all I need it for when I'm not using clip studio paint. I was wrong. Somehow, technological advancement has gone backwards. I am out of memory with 8 tabs open. I have 100% disk utilisation doing nothing, and yes, this is after disabling SuperFetch. The machine I paid too much money for 10 years ago that worked fine is now magically shitter. The only variable that changed was windows updates. You know, the thing that's supposed to improve software, but instead make it slower, more annoying and more predatory with every moment and theirs's no way to opt out without just totally switching to Linux. I'm serious, a singularity is approaching were windows WILL become unusable...I just read some nauseating article detailing how windows 11 now has to preload folders on boot so that when you open them, their isn't a 4 second wait time, trillions of dollars and decades of manpower into R&D for this btw...absurd. I don't know which s[spoiler]tinky ind[/spoiler]ian decided that Windows needed 100 different demons running at all times to make sure Candy Crush is installed or Cortana is sending your entire hard disk to the CIA every twelve seconds but I really wish I could grab them by the hand, give it a firm shake, crush it, snap the wrist, snap the forearm, hyper-extend the elbow, fracture the arm, pull the shoulder out of his it's socket, fold the collarbone, crush that fucking albatross until they are nothing but paste...wait, what were we talking about again?
>>8019600nobody asked pyw>>8019594No I'm not a faggot>>8019378>>8019382>>8019383He didn't ask you niggers about the anatomy, make a line so you can be executed in an orderly fashion
I CANT FUCKING IMPROVE. WHY MUST FUCKING EVEYRONE BE BETTER THAN ME.
YEARS OF JACKSHIT OUTDONE BY ANY JACKASS WITHIN A COUPLE MONTHS.JUST FUCKING PERMABEG TALENTLESS FUCKING GARBAGE.why was i made talentless
>pro artists>constantly trace, use references for everything, use 3d models, use photos of themselves>beglets>NOOOOO YOU SHOULDN'T EVEN LOOK AT ANYTHING YOU SHOULD ONLY EVER DRAW FULLY FROM IMAGINATION YOU HAVE TO CONJURE EVERYTHING UP FROM THIN AIR Makes me think
>>8019624Andy giveth, and Bill taketh away.
>he wants to cheat even though he doesnt understand what he wants to cheat atslopper vibe ngl
>he wants to cheat even though he doesn't even draw
honestly i fucking hate faces i am going to draw humans with masks and shit
>>8019666what's the deal with abstract scribbles, chico
>>8019666mid int
>>8019660just let them be retarded
How do I shade my cat if my drawing actually kind of looks like a cat?
i took a break from doing perspective worksheets for a few days after reading the chapter, so i'm not as confident i remember how to do this correctly.
>>8019699i just realized my mistake here, i should have used the arc of a circle to get the length right
>>8019632Not a single person ever says this.It’s good to stretch yourself as far as you can without reference because you need strong imagination skills if you don’t want to be chained to reference, but if you find a reference that matches exactly what you want anyway then use it
>>8019314It dosen't look traced, more like reference. Entire body is in completly different perspective. Tracing and changing it like that would require same knowledge as drawing it from scratch.It's nothing like this nihu guy who was posting ai slop here.
>>8019391Thanks for the feedback, I worked on the face some more
>>8019747Looking better now.
>>8019617are you going to add any sort of background? colors are dull, which i guess fits the white bg
>>8019389drawing from life requires to draw fast, but your line economy is terrible. you pet several in places where one would suffice. as a result you waste too much time petting the forms
>>8019576my PS would crash if i had a file that large
>>8019372do you just scribble lines and pray they start to resemble something?
>>8019759I'll probably go with a graphic pattern or some props, I'm still playing with ideaswill need to adjust them once I do, I also think the value range is too small right now
>>8019699bro this is hard perspective, it's awesome to know how it works and maybe how to do it but it's highly unpractical, I don't know how to place an angle in an exact position using but only the tools showed in the book but that doesn't stops me from drawing in perspective. I mean, if I need some complex configuration I'll just open up Blender and spawn some boxes, setup the camera and render an image to use as an overlay or as a reference. Value your time anon. In the book how to draw from Scott Robertson you can find some tricks on how to draw without all the complex operations for plotting a curve in space... Feel free to not take into account what I just said, everyone have to make their own mistakes in order to learn something...
>>8019586Well, it does matter how good you are, it is always symbols in the end. Perhaps a symbol in perspective, or a symbol with volume, or even a symbol with line variation, but all is symbol.
this symbols bullshit needs to stop, you are stretching the meaning of a term until there is nothing it doesnt encompass
>>8019773Learning how it works is the point of it, not actually measuring everything when drawing. The underlying principles and foundations can guide your guesstimations and greatly improve what you can do with perspective. It is especially important for /begs/. Also, there are tons of useful insights, such as the cone of vision and distortion.But most importantly, it is not hard at all. Not learning is just laziness.
some figs tradbecause digital is unnecessarily hard
more trad stuff, pretty happy about the cow, i failed the big head once, sort of pulled it off the second time and then the smaller one was actually nice
>Get desperate and use Gemini to put loomis lines/construction on a reference I want to use >Fucks it up to hell to the point it's extremely obvious even to someone like me (two digits on fingers, arms go from a weird circle-line-circle bone construction to the expected shape-based one halfway up the elbowI just wanna see and recreate construction on images I'm actually interested in, dammit...
>>8019815What? Don’t use AI for that. Draw the construction lines directly over the reference yourself, it’s a really important exercise that you should be doing anyway
>>8019806You just have to practice a bit with digital and then it’ll be basically as easy as paper. Although I’ll still always prefer paper anyway
>>8019819I just can't seem to get it right, so I wanted examples I could recreate. Nobody seems to have before/after construction examples for the bodytypes I'm after, so I'm kinda desperate. I commed someone and attempted to pay him a large amount extra to save a copy in the construction phase and send me that too, but he said that it was a good idea but "you should learn your own things" and sent me links to art books... like I appreciate the sentiment but I really needed something to kick off of to get started.
>>8019820i have drawn digitally a lot, its just that everything is harder, placing a landmark is harder, the reference takes up space on the screen, there is a disconnect between my hand and where the pixels are places that on paper is not therethese things matter to me, 5 minutes in trad is 30 minutes in digital
Male heads
>>8019595That's really cool
>>8019834you have the gayest artstyle maybe of all time.
>>8019839Not in the world in which Tom of Finland exists.
>>8019842i think this guy is one mojito away from becoming tom of brazil
>>8019845Maybe "Joao" of Brazil. Or some other GAY name like "Jair"
>>8019825That guy’s a weirdo and probably scared of competition.Post some examples you want to see the construction of?
I've been practicing my Loomis like a good little boy but my heads are coming out wide and stout as hell if I follow the way he says you should separate the face in thirds. I'm I just stupid? When I just say fuck it and draw the jaw longer ignoring the proportions it looks better but I don't want to cheat and learn things wrong.
>>8019872Let me get back to you on that, currently wageslaving.
>>8019825Draw the construction lines then try recreating the piece with just the construction lines
>>8019889You take a known good reference, draw the construction over it, and overlay yours to see how it’s different. If it’s a good reference that you approve of then it won’t lie to you. If the reference seems to be different from the “official” description of the proportions, trust the reference.Common mistakes are that your circles aren’t actually circles, and what you think is a half/third isn’t actually a half/third. It only works if you’re precise. It looks like you might not be cutting off the sides of your circle which is why it feels so wide. I drew lines here showing where you need to cut off the circle and taper downwards fast. The cranium is NOT a sphere even when viewed from the front, it’s flat on the sides.
Am I doing this right? It feels really unintuitive
>>8019918Looks good to me, but if it doesn't feel good to do, maybe look for a different method
>>8019918Tummy area could show a bit more 3D form but overall it doesn’t look bad
Thoughts? Gave up on adding the stripey part to the outfit partway through.
>>8019868Go back to fucking reddit, you massive faggot.
I'm riking
Having some trouble getting natural looking limbs (esp. arms)
>>8019944NO, YOU GO BACK (((JAIR)))
>>8019946Nvm I mirrored it and it's too fucked i gotta keep working on it
Any crits?>>8019942Is that from xenogears?
>>8019946Maybe im tweaking but the characters looks a bit out of place with the background imo
>>8019697I don't recommend trying to shade your cat. Mine bites and scratches whenever I do that.
>>8019942paige-esque
>>8019974anatomy/proportions are off, unappealing line quality, the perspective of the objects doesn't look correct, awkward position of the right arm, boring composition
>>8019974Poor line quality sticks out.
>>8019975technically or in terms of theme like they're too happy/anime and background too dark/ classical or whatever
>>8019986>>8019984I'll try fixing the perspective of the plate and improve the line in a day or two once i've let it rest. What part of the anatomy is off? The arm? Everything?
>>8019995The way they are light up seems off to me, I feel like you could add darker shadow. I am but a mere permabeg however so do with that as you will
>>8019789>a symbol with volumeSymbol drawing happens when you fail to see and draw something as a 3d form. An ugly 3d form is just a shit drawing with other issues, not a symbol.
>>8019997dude, just move ontrying to fix all the mistakes is just a massive waste of time, and you're better off just starting over/moving on to the next pieceIt's the amount of drawings that you do that will make you betteror don't. I'm not in charge of what you should do
>>8019983Who? Is that a good thing or a bad thing?>>8019974Chen Gong, he's from Extella.
>>8020006You're better off not knowing...
>>8019997>>8020005Big agree. Just take the critique to heart for the next drawing
>>8020007Well, now I'm curious.
>>8020005>>8020010>Perspective of the plate is bad>Nooo you can't spend 5min drawing two circles at a different angle, you won't learn anything out of it>Line is bad>Noooo you can't try again while following a guide as reference it has to be something completely new or else you won't learn anything >No you can't ask for clarification on anatomical error either even if you don't intend to fix them
>>8020020Dont get attached to sketch pieces
>>8020020Keep polishing the turd then ¯\(ツ)/¯
>>8020020Dali-esque plate
how can I learn to color better? I can draw and do decent linework but coloring and shading im eternally doomed to do cell shading because I cant grasp how people do digital coloring
hard posemoving on thoughever
>>8020046Cool beans, show ref?
>>8020051here you go
>>8020044Are there multiple suns? Character is lit from top right, and the planet in the background from lower left
>>8020025It's shit idc about it. But it's shittiness is here and im not sure how using it to quickly practice a couple of stuff would be bad. >>8020038Im digesting it so the next poop is smoother and less liquid.
>>8020046Is her (?) left hand doing anything? It looks like it's just floating
>>8020056its supposed to be relaxing on the right arm while being supported by the knee
>>8020054the planet behind is supposed to be an eclipse I think, idk I used an old artwork of the character as reference for the background
fuck colors i hate them
>>8020058Based ref.Well anyway I'm not good enough with color to help you but your subject matter seems similar to what Marc Brunet does pretty well so maybe check him out, he fleshes out his figures a lot more
>>8020063Simply work with flat colors, then select tool the lightest color from a section from the character's official art, paintbucket it in, select tool the darker part of the section, draw a dividing line where you want the shadow to be, then paintbucket in the darker color. It's literally that shrimple.
>>8020068>select tool the lightest color from a section from the character's official artlmfao
>>8020070Select it from whatever palette you want, who cares. The point is, get a palette going, paintbucket it the color it's going to mostly be, then section off the places that'll be brighter or darker with a line of that color, then paintbucket that color in. EZ.
Still trying to figure her out
>>8020076Mega cute! How do you get such smooth lines?
>>8019974there's nothing wrong with line, don't listen to dumb begsplate is distorted and we should probably see some of the hand holding it
>>8020076Another thigh could fit into that gap, I don't think the pelvis is right
>>8020077High stabilzation.
>>8020078Yeah anon there's nothing wrong with these shaggy, uneven lines.
>>8020066Thanks I'll look him up, I mostly draw with the big thick bolder lines and cell shading mostly because It's the only way I know how to but I wish I could do a more painterly style, this was the only time I ever attempted to do actual shading (I didnt draw the lineart I just colored it in for an Anon in a request thread)
>>8020082>big thick bolder linesThat's not gonna play nice with a more blended, painterly style of shading, just saying
>>8020077Stablization on high (like 70) and I duplicated the image with a Giussani blur and overlay filter.>>8020079Probably i did it wrong. This is what I sketched underneath.
>>8020081literally one of the most iconic manga out there fits your definition of "shaggy, uneven lines"
>>8020078>there's nothing wrong with linebased crab
>>8020089Looks better with this construction visible but the colored piece gives me the illusion of the pelvis being higher up. I'd fatten up those thighs a little bit just to be safe
>>8020003Anon, everything is a symbol. Even us, anon-kun, even us.
>>8020090Anon are you mentally impaired? These two linearts look nothing alike, maybe with the exception of the line weight range being similar
Who is paige? I'm not jacked in enough to know.
>>8020084Yeah I know, Going softer on the pressure is definitely something I need to work on I started using a different drawing software and I just kept using the basic really hard brush, pic related is from 4 years ago when I was using paint tool sai instead
I feel like I'm the only beg here
>>8020097Hey, I'm right here, you're not alone >>8019942hang in there bwo, we'll make it someday
>>8020096Oh, and watch Sinix's painting like a sculptor video, shit's illuminating even if I can't quite apply it yet
A couple of studies
>>8019974Nice work! There are issues with the perspective, and the arm holding the plate. But I see no issue with the lines. Actually, there is some nice thickness variation there.>>8019984>>8019986>poor linesWhat a bunch of /nodraw/ begglets faggots. Stop giving advices and go grind your fundies.
>>8020078>>8020081The artist im trying to copy has a pretty rough looking feel to his lineart imo so that's was an attempt to get close to that. I will double check it anyway. That was my first attempt to imitate the artist so i doubt it's anywhere near close.>>8020097 ive been drawing for close to two years and ive only made slops so far dw
>>8020101pyw.
>>8020104For you, a non-work poster, to give your terrible advices?
>>8020103The line edges are similar so you chose the right brush but notice how much more selective and deliberate the artist is with applying the line weight, yours look quite random in comparison, especially on the legs
>>8020103needs a shittier g-pen, way shittier g-pen , one with a broken tip making it dry and rusty but the artist is not willing to throw away
>>8020106>chicken shit crab doesn't post his workclassicthe guy asked for crit, the lines are poorwhy are you trying to crab him
>>8020108I'm not choosing a side but one thing i've noticed is with professional manga art if it looks messy its very thoughtfully done in such a way that replicating the messy style without knowing how and why they do it will lead to a worse result
>>8019815post the ref retard and ill do it for you
so many line experts, i'll join>>8019372your lines are so poor! yuck!
>>8020123I think his lines are pretty decent tbqh…
How do you decide on your artist name?
>>8020111The lines aren't poor. Critiques should be given by people who know better. Go back to do your fundies. You don't know what you are talking about.>>8020103Do not listen to retards. Any master that does work with ink has thickness variation all over and literally at random. Same for mangakas. It is not meticulous lines as the retards are saying. There aren't even rules, only guidelines for beginners such as considering light direction, occlusion shadows, and distance. But most of the time it is about appeal, and your lines look fine.If you choose to listen to people that only want to say shit about your work, you start expending time fixing things that aren't issues.
>>8020133>Any master ... has thickness variation all over and literally at random.Like I said, mentally impaired.
I have no idea what the fuck line quality even means
happy chinese valentine doodles.>>8019595I can hear the theme good job>>8020103Feels more like a brush issue. If it’s similar to Krita, the rotation curve is a little too high. This is how many basic brushes try to replicate roughness, but it ends up looking extra bumpy in certain areas. Experiment with other rough brushes.keep going you are doing fine.
>>8020133anon provided an example image of the style he emulates, where the line thickness is anything but random and all over lmfao
>>8020136Well, it is not what the /begglets/ such as >>8020135 is talking about, so don't worry about it. It is the same retards that call anything symbol drawing when it is not even close.
>>8020112>Papa nierHOLY based
>he doesn't symbol draw his line qualityngmi
Ok guys I've mastered line quality, what do I work on next?Big thanks to anon who told me that line thickness should be random and all over JUST like the masters do it.
what is symbol drawing please explain
damn hands...#..#..#need to practice them
>>8020136It's the line thickness >>8020151Only part of the journey that i don't really want to practice. hands are retarded
>>8020148saved
redrew someone's cat
>>8020151nice work :3
>>8020139Is there any specific part you feel is random? You mentioned but i did intentionally increase the line weight to call attention to them. I did that without checking with the master artist tho so if i see he doesn't do that in his erotic drawing or in a different way i'll adjust.>>8020137>>8020133>>8020101Thanks anons, I had no idea this would start a fight lmao>>8020112Unfortunately you gotta shit to make gold or something like that.>>8020157Erotic
>>8020160*You mentioned legs
>like the masters do it.>mastershad this dude been born in ancient greece he would smile as his "master" fiddled with his bussy
>>8020163>>8020133>Any master that does work with ink has thickness variation all over and literally at random.
>>8020163I mean it is called a master study, taking cock in the ass is part of tradition
drew a hag based on a photo of a baby bird, it started as a lineart study, fucked that up, pivoted to painting and then got the idea , i feel like i need to give like 50% more on my drawings at this point>>8019474really like the linework here, sells weight and sag well>>8020046nice work!>>8019539a drawing made is worth much more than one not! hell of a first challenge and you did pretty well in the arpit area
I really liked the description of yatwer's iconography, but I can't do it justicesame with the three headed serpent of the scarlet spires, or the circumfixit's so over>>8020103idk you mog me, I'd say you're out of intthat looks really good
>>8020167thats not his drawing
hi i started a month or so agoi am not good with hands and i am having a frightfully difficult time with faces. any advice?
>>8020171find an artist you like and mimic his shit
>>8020171Welp, you've got line quality of an ink master, so that's a plus.I think you should find art pieces you like and try to copy them, paying extra attention to proportions, you'll learn from that
>masters
>>8020171
>>8020178I'll admit, I cracked a smile at the bridgememe joke.
>>8020178hampton bros... our response?
>>8020181>our response?Hide post
>>8020178Not anime, don't matter.
remember the golden rule: quantity > quality
>>8020189>just draw
>>8020173>find an artist you like and mimic his shitthanks for reminding me about this anon, i was doing this at the very start, then just kinda forgot lol>>8020176>you've got line quality of an ink master,i don't know what that means, but thank you!?>paying extra attention to proportionsokay i'll do this, thanks boss>>8020179huh!? do i need a bigger canvas?
>>8019341Boner-worthy, and literally the perfect woman, but I feel in the depths of my lizard brain that something's not quite right with the breasts though I'm too beg to puzzle it out
>>8020192>huh!? do i need a bigger canvas?sus knees>>80201897 hours is fair when you are pre-beg but yeah, just spam and move on.
>>8020189On an intellectual level I understand and appreciate this lesson, but my heart and my hands have yet to learn it, and they are stubborn students.
Microsoft hires 100,000 Indians and their code is so sloppy it has to be re-written by 500 overworked white guys. This problem is know to industry insiders as "The Code Diaper" and you'd hear more about if you were paying attention. It's ultimately four times more expensive to outsource because the work has to be redone years later by white guys...Indian code is patchwork rats nest s*** that fails and need to be completely redone the minute it's integrated into any bigger project. This is real info from a medium-sized tech company CEO. Indians f***ing suck at coding, don't believe everything you hear about them being awesome. Also only roughly 10% of Indian business school graduates are employable...this is possibly due to white racism(TM) but I would chock it up to that correlation of "Indians" and Employable" being an oxymoron, that and their schools just suck dick. Here is an email reply directly from the CEO of a successful tech company whose name you have heard at least once or twice: "You missed the mark. Indians are generally ok on skills, they just don't give a flying crap. They show up, do what you tell them, leave. Low on ambition and ideas. They blow their money on white BMW's and $300 dress shirts so they couldn't be entrepreneurial if they wanted to. They're probably just happy not to be in Mumbai. The sad part is all the big companies are crying "more H-1B's!" but these are jobs that could be done by American high-schoolers. Pretty sure they wash their hands because there are signs telling them to. Not familiar with "Code Diaper".
>>8020195>sus kneesoh, thank you!
>>8020192He's fucking with you just scroll up to see the argument. Judge anon's tastes for yourself.
>>8020197Anon I don't know what the fuck you're talking about but do post that ref cause in full res it's goonworthy
>>8019341>Not even 8 months in>Already mogging most of the regulars.>Better anatomy and curves than the coomers who only draw sex like grater and jona>Better mechs than the 2 dedicated mechfagsBrutal. What do you call this other than exceptional generational talent?
>>8020189Nah that’s bullshit. You can fill many sketchbooks with garbage and you’ll stay garbage if you’re not actually trying to learn and get better.You need quality AND quantity. You can’t sacrifice either one.
>>8020205ok nodraw.
>>8020197>Microsoft hires 100,000 Indians Photoshop been getting shittier and heavier since the indians bought adobe. It's so bad it made me consider switching to chink studio paint
>>8020167This is a shitty example but you could probably do a cool shadow effect on the horn/tusk like with the goat girl here. Idk if that's what you're going for tho
>>8020168I am retarded>>8020171yay another begfren
>>8020202Source: NorafawnNow crit my slop!
>>8020150anything not a copy, meaningless outside of copy
an angel elf before bed
>>8020213i hate buttcracks when i was a kid my butt crack was always hanging out in my pants and mom always would bring it up and call me plumbers crack so now i associate butt cracks with my own buttcrack so i get disgusted every time i see one
>>8020213Face and hair need work, everything else looks good
I feel like using AI as an art critique is fun and innovative. Draw your idea to the best of your ability -> feed the image to AI to see what it would change -> analyze changes and think on why they look better than what your drew -> repeat
>>8020197Amazing ass, but what an ugly face you drew there.No idea what you're blabbing about, but AI is the new Indian. I am hearing about layoffs of Indians growing as clankers replace them.
>>8020235No.
>>8020233How fat were you?
>>8020235
>>8020235It's god tier for critique
>>8020235great way if you want your art to look like AI
>>8020197all by design, it's been warfare on this scale for how many decades now?
I am of the opinion that western art is better than eastern
>>8020235Show us the before and after of AI correcting your art>he won't btw
>>8020235Disgusting.
>>8020151like your images
>>8020253don't like his images, they're derivative imitation of the original artworks and a pathetic attempt at imagination to bootproof: >>8020052
some of you niggas are lost
>talent: bad>construction: badand now the trifecta is complete>reference: bad
>>8020260yes im also bad at all of those
>>8020234>>8020236Is the face too long/wide? I feel like that might be the mistake I keep making with references.
>>8020259pyw
>>8020235Nihu...
>>8020262I don't think proportions are the issue, rather the features. Hair is way too busy, needs thoughtful simplifying, I'd redline but I'm bad at it myself
>>8019341I think you're right actually. The breasts seem like they're on a different angle than the torso. I'll see if I can fix that today. Thank you.
>>8020257art is derivative. I like how how he draws
>>8020213gemini, animeify this girl but please remove her socks
>>8020259I was never found in the first place
>>8020270No innovation or creativity?
>>8020262The hatching (?) you did on the cheek make it looks hollow, the cheek is also way more pointy. The line going from the jaw to the cheek also bulge a bit. Basically you erased the softness of her face and made her looks like a skeleton
>>8020274 innovation or creativity are derivative.
>>8020275The other cheek*
>>8020279That sound wrong, no imagination no creativity. Most people do be like that though.
I don't think AI would be allowed to interact with some of the things I draw
>>8020283keep this shit to yourself and just post regular ass things
>>8020284idk apparently AI thinks that criticism means give empty flatterythis is what people are boiling lakes for? autofellatio with extra steps?
You can insult my ideas all you like, I have already improved massively through this method.Its simply addicting, the dream of uniting the human mind with an AI is finally coming true.
>>8020287What the fuck? Will it mention the fucking intestine spilling out or is it incapable of knowing?
>>8020288
>>8020235>someone drops a bait>thousands of repliesNuke this general, people are too retarded.
>>8020287>not using grok le lol
>>8020287I wonder if Grok is better at giving critique considering its... fiery personality
>>8020294still don't care, AI is poison and rot
>>8020295>I wonder if Grok is better at giving critique considering its... fiery personalityYes Grok is god tier, it freaks out when doing actual redlines but it gives better critique than most professionals.
>>8020288Unironically post your art works before and after. I'm genuinely curious and promise I won't vendetta fag you for using AI to learn art.
>>8020284theres no guro general it aint their fault
Been stuck with drawing a wet shirt. Surprisingly a bit difficult to find a reference for this type of pose. Just put down a rough sketch of a loose shirt to build off from. Any general critique is also welcomed P.S. I know the lighting doesn't make sense at the moment. Just looks cool
karl kopinski livestreamed for the first time in over a year bros..
>>8020305is she supposed to look grossly overworked and unable to enjoy the beach?great workif not, shoulder blade moves with the arms, spine curves with them too
>>8020294>telling the artist to center the position of the ropeGood critique>emphasizing gesture and shoulder positionGood critique>overlap for the strands of intestinesGood critique>does not recognize it as intestines and thinks it's a root massBad critique, but not far off from what the drawing it actually showing>line weight emphasis on tied wrists Good critique>line weight on light directionBad critique, there is no light direction in that sketch>form contour on arm scarsGood critique, but does not recognize them as scarsIt's practice methods:>draw the same pose three times in a thumbnail sketchGood suggestion>study one reference of a person hanging from ropeGood suggestion, even offers alternatives like someone working at a circus>do a few sheets of tangles overlapping ropeExtremely good suggestion, mimics intestines and obviously ropes and teaches overlapping formIf this is how Grok "consistently" critiques work then it's genuinely better than this fucking board by a mile. Only caveat is I can't tell if this is the same poster of the gore artist ro someone else using his work as an example, because he HASN'T improved since posting here, in which case it leaves a lot to be desired.
It's either feast or famine getting a challenge out. I'm gonna doodle with this as a reference if anyone wants a free mog
>>8020309Pretty much, actually. Imagining her as exhausted and the light signaling that she has to get back to work. The shirt’s just the last frontier. Everything else (shadows, lighting, hair) is pretty easy to fix. I have never been good with clothing, so its been a challenge. Especially since there’s basically no good references for this surprisingly. May or may not also plan to partially cover the shoulders with the hair. Just out of laziness
>>8020129>*Username not available, try again*>>8020151>handsDon't remind me.>>8020171Sucking at something is the first step at becoming sort of good at something. Keep at it.>>8020181Gestures towards nothing.>>8020189Holy moly. How?>>8020197You've got some work ahead of you yet. Both your construction and perspective needs refinement. It's better to start simpler, but I like your ambition. Do keep in mind, that you should definitely work on your faces before trying out something like this ref.Speaking of, that's one hot lower back and ass, oh wow. I honestly have never seen anything like it, and it's beautiful.>>8020213Thanks for that one.>>8020227Looks lovely, your angel.>>8020235What the flipping dipping slippery doo shit are you talking about? Don't idiotic, please.>>8020287>rawWhat the fuck does that even mean, "raw"? Your drawing reminds me of invincible, key. Keep drawing.
>>8020269Meant to reply to >>8020194Anyway, how's this? Any better?
>>8020315I'll try this thanks
>>8020267I like to draw overly complicate hair, but yeah, just looks like shit here, ends up looking like that fire horse meme where the last one is done by a toddler.>>8020275>The hatching (?)It was supposed to be blush but it just looks kinda badThis is largley impossible to fix just due to the bad strucutre but something like this? No hard edges, shorted face, rounder face?
thread full of people arguing over dumb shit instead of drawing, this is why you are /beg/
>>8020314It still gives abhorrent / delusional constructions and redlines but yeah, the critique is as good as it gets
>didn't finish it again award
>>8020262>Is the face too long/wide? I feel like that might be the mistake I keep making I'm the last person who should be telling you how to copy because it's something I have comparatively little experience with. But it's kind of what you did, indeed
>>8020178chuckled
>>8019839Emm... how can I make it less gay
>>8020314>>8020178those are hilarious>>8020283saved>>8020294this is all basically drivel
just trying to have fun and stop trying to make everything perfect today! any recommendations for podcasts to listen to while I draw? I'm mostly into horror or true crime unfortunately
I put my art in gork for it to critique but now I'm scared to look at the output...
>>8020353crab
>>8020355cool! you've got strange lines - do you lay them down like this straight or are you working over top of a sketch?
>>8020332Obsessing over overly detailed hair can quickly become a mess. At best, it can be distracting, and at it's worst it can look greasy and ropey. It's better to focus on large shapes and let the mind do the rest from there. No need to add details when they aren't needed.And I don't think in general there's much wrong with your stylistic choices, but it's just not structured correctly to begin with. The construction is all over the place, and the nose is squished into the cheek, while the mouth and teeth rest on the inside of the chin. The eyes are obscured too much to tell what's going on.I've seen worse, but you'll need to focus on which areas you want to improve in your drawing, and maybe move onto the next one.
>>8020360Don't listen to podcasts while you draw, interesting information/language decoding hampers learning pretty heavily. Put on some lyricless (or in a language you don't understand) music for best learning results while still keeping adhd at bay.
>>8020365>crabjust look at the drawing, none of these things mentioned matter, pure window dressing
>>8020361>"Ok, first off, this isn’t bad. Their's a lot of good structure here and honestly? You're doing better than you might think, there are a few fundamentals I think we could touch up on however to really take it to the next level:"
>>8020371kek
>>8020315Me and the boys greeting weebs at the Osaka airport
>>8020365The crits are overly generalized and generic, besides the comments on linework, and it's wrong in some places. As soon as you start correcting it about the intestines, it will go into sycophant-mode.No crabs here. People using AI are just scum, and should just learn to talk to real people.
>>8020327Very grabbable now, good fix
>>8020366i go straight to drawing the finished thing yea, no sketch. do use the eraser a lot of course.
>>8020376The alternative is cashing out hundreds and i shan't be doing that.
>>8020100Awesome! Can I ask you a few questions?- Did you paint with or without a base sketch? Please clarify if it was just a few marks here and there or a complete sketch.- Did you use layers or just one?- Did you use different brushes? Textured brushes?- Did you use the blur tool or the blending tool?- Did you use Photoshop, Krita, or Clip Studio?- What resolution did you use for these small studies?- How long did each study take?- Did you start with a grayscale (grisaille) or with color?- Do you paint by intuition or do you use a deterministic system where your results don't vary from one another?- How long did it take you to reach this level? Months, years?- Do you choose the colors by eye or with the color picker tool?- Can you describe your brushstroke process on the canvas? The problem I've encountered with the single-layer approach is that my brushstrokes never achieve what I need, and I don't know why; sometimes they're too big or too small, or they alter their surroundings too much, etc.You might be thinking, "Why so much interest?" or perhaps "You're so annoying with so many questions," and I won't deny it, but to clarify, I paint using a fixed, step-by-step process that I've developed: sketch, clean sketch, line art, base color, shadow design, midtones, shadow reinforcement, ambient occlusion, volume reinforcement in light areas, highlights, color gradation, etc. While this process does produce a certain result, and with a few hours, something semi-realistic, it's too rigid. Each stage must be completed before starting the next, but some, or perhaps most, artists don't paint this way, and that intrigues me. Your answers will help me gain a clearer understanding of this process that I can't seem to grasp...
>>8020371>Gave me 3 things on the "what works well" section>Gave me 9 fucking things on the "where it starts to wobble" (bad) sectionZowie wowie. Not even a "this isn't bad", I got a "This is a fun character sketch with a clear personality. (...) You clearly had a specific expression in mind, and it reads."
>>8020368I do appreciate the intent behind this so thank you for the info but sometimes it's shrimply not that serious, so if you have any recs let me know :)
schizo melty and ai posting now huh
>>8020387Hey Elon! Train your AI of of THIS!
elon is too fucking cool to visit /ic/
>>8020385Filtered. Pick up a book, read it and learn. It ain't hard.>>8020386Fucking kek. AI sloppa.>>8020387>with a clear personalityAs opposed to obscured? Anything a person drew should be a clear personality.
>>8020396>not cool enough for the hig pedophile partieshe wishes
>>8020396nice try elonnow post your begshit slop
>>8020396He's to busy being a mvp in Diablo, of course. What an absolute chad, playing videogames. He oozes testosterone, I'm jealous.
>>8020166I really like this
Elon is old news. We hate Alex Karp now
>>8020408Wasn't Elon the "reddit guy" at one point? What new chip was put in the normies brains to make lefties hate him all of a sudden?
>>8020397>As opposed to obscured? Anything a person drew should be a clear personality.I think maybe that was the best compliment it could force itself to give me, the rest is shit like "Head-to-hat relationship. The hat is sitting on the head, but it doesn’t feel like it has weight or a skull underneath. The brim/band is pretty straight, so the head looks a bit pasted under a cylinder. A slight curve on the band, plus a hint of the skull receding behind it, would lock the hat down." or "Hair / ribbons. The long pieces coming off the hat have a nice idea of flow, but they’re a bit same-width and same-curve. Varying thickness and letting one overlap the shoulder would make them feel less like outlines and more like fabric.", etc.
>>8019946Really enjoy the background. Looks like somewhere I would want to be.
>>8020412>Elon become increasingly unhinged so normies change his opinion on him>Somehow this is jew brainwashing
>>8020360i guess im not the only one hungry for demons today>>8020376they arent, it's just a tool, ai psychosis goes both ways, people who think it's useless and people who think it's magic are both dumb >>8020395>interpreted the clearly male figure as a woman for some reasonamazing.. very interesting.. tell me about your mother anon>>8020424>>8020420>>8020412stfu pyw
>>8020305Just so you know, mermaids don't wear t-shirts
>>8020414It's most definitely overly surface level. It's always about what the drawing looks like, which area is nice and compliment after compliment. There's never a point where it advices WHICH themes or subjects could be interesting to composition it with, or WHAT would be a good addition to the storytelling.
@Grok, why am I not improving?
>>8020287This isn't critique. It didn't even call you guro-fag.
>>8020430??? I just said it hit me with 9 things critical of it to 3 things that were good about it, it definitely wasn't too nice to me. Surface level, you're definitely right, but it wasn't pulling its punches, it called my line weight shit.
>>8020213challenging.
>>8020430just ask and it will generate more, I guess
>>8020425compelling subject hehe. Someone clearly had fun with this one. Love it.
>>8020360wow. Expressive. The eyes and teeth are such good design.
>>8020386(1/2)>Did you paint with or without a base sketch? Please clarify if it was just a few marks here and there or a complete sketch.A very simple base sketch, essentially just a few lines to find the positions of the features and important contours >Did you use layers or just one?I merge into one layer, but I will create a new layer to experiment with changes (maybe lightening or darkening the value on the cheek for example) If I don't like the change I will discard it, if I like it then I just merge it. >Did you use different brushes? Textured brushes?Mostly just the default CSP gouache brush with a fine texture, a soft eraser, the airbush (vary sparingly) and the textured pen for blocking in color. >Did you use the blur tool or the blending tool?I use the blur tool to soften and then go back in with the brush to redefine edges.>Did you use Photoshop, Krita, or Clip Studio?Clip Studio> What resolution did you use for these small studies?The original resolution for these two is ~5000x2500. I don't really think about resolution as long as I have enough pixels that I don't have to worry about them.>How long did each study take?about 2-3 hours each I think>Did you start with a grayscale (grisaille) or with color?Yes I start with grayscale and add color on a separate color layer, then on a third layer I will make adjustments using value and color at the same time. >Do you paint by intuition or do you use a deterministic system where your results don't vary from one another?Mostly by intuition but I try to work from dark to light where possible so I start by blocking in the the shadows, then the midtones, then the lights.Then I use an iterative soft-pass/hard-pass approach until I'm happy with it.
>>8020386(2/2)>How long did it take you to reach this level? Months, years?I started with portrait painting about 6 months ago as pretty much a complete beginner and am only getting to a level I am somewhat happy with within the last few weeks. I had dabbled in drawing/painting for years but never really stuck with it enough to make meaningful progress before now.>Do you choose the colors by eye or with the color picker tool?By eye with a lot of trial and error. - Can you describe your brushstroke process on the canvas? I would describe my process as an iterative soft pass/hard pass approach.I start with a very simple sketch, then block in the values and start to refine them. At a certain point I stop and blur the entire painting to focus on how the thumbnail reads, I will adjust proportions and values until I am happy with the thumbnail (soft pass). Then go back in with the brush and start defining things again (hard pass). I will do this iteratively for the whole painting and then smaller areas softening and then re-defining until I am happy with the result.Then I add the color layer and a final correction layer on top with both color and value adjustments. Hopefully this is useful
imagine replying to chatgpt
the zoomer fears the words
How do I fix my line weight? Especially with a mechanical pencil.
So sick of mirroring my paintings and watch them turn to shit in real time. My brain needs to stop coping and deceiving me. Also pictures are far more unforgiving than irl shit, it's really hard to make shit look good in a tiny phone picture.
I hate Elon because I hate all African Americans
>>8020460Nvm I got used to the mirror version and now I like it
>>8020408At least Karp is upfront about how evil he is.
>>8019974https://youtu.be/LXCs7n8VkEk?t=407please don't listen to the (unintentional) crabbingfixing things is how you improve
>>8020428
>>8020428>>8020470Huh. Looks good! This one unfortunately does wear a shirt. Afraid to copy it your work, though! It looks so good! Any tips on how to achieve that look?
>>8020371not enough —
>>8020457get softer B lead, use 0.7 or larger, scribble a bit at one specific angle before drawing to create a flat part on the lead and pay attention to how when you rotate your wrist as you draw the paper will catch the sharper edge of the lead, resulting in thin lines. Rotate the pencil slowly between this sharp edge and flat section as you draw. Every so often you'll have to re-scribble to re-flatten a section of the lead or because you're losing the sharp edges. Same concept as drawing with conte or charcoal sticks.
>>8020477Why do the degens always have the most talent?
>>8020467Karp theory how the west needs to go full terminator imperialist to preserve freedom does make sense theoretically. But obviously it's being used to just take out freedom instead not to beat China. But if he actually meant it then I think it makes some sense that manifesto he made .
>>8020488horny is a powerful motivator
>>8020353fellow hunterchad, nice arm studies
I CANT FUCKING DRAW.
>>8020449>>8020451Thanks, friend, this is really useful information, especially the part where you explain that at a certain point you apply a blur filter (I presume Gaussian) and redefine the hard borders and transitions. I remember reading about that technique somewhere, but I don't have the link.
>>8020499Pyw
>>8020477Aside from the subject, it's quite good, though the heads need to be much smaller.>>8020480the look is a lot of wild scribbling, maybe what you asking for is a hard brush. tip is maybe take a look at something in water
>>8020469
Well, I tried... It was not very good. However, there were many insights, such as:>I drew way out of the cone of vision, dealing with gigantic distortion. Main reason being the VPs within the paper and using the whole paper as frame. I already bought washi tape to solve in the future>Without refs, it sucks exponentially more. I have very little visual memory reference of my own>Techniques such X'ing are very slow when you have to do a lot of them, and hard to use when dealing with small sections. Should have used measuring lines earlier.>I should have gone for a full grid way sooner. When planning the pillars, I fucked up in many ways, from not respecting the amount of foreshortening giving the size of the room and trying to keep a open space for the throne>When planning a drawing like this, should rely more on ground planes and more refined sketches. Also make way less use of ruler>I should rely more on hatching than hard darks for now, and do it more carefullyAnd many others. So even if it is not good, I understand why I need more mileage in general. I will be back to focus on smaller-scope projects before trying something more daring (the results are very basic, but in my initial plan, I had way more details intended for the whole throne room and such).Sorry for the blog.
>>8020514they aren't very similar. Aside from a flashy personality and maybe the use of effects, I'm not sure who the westoid Saito would be
I'm not a westerner, why does that upset people I have no interest in their things?
>>8020525Nobody asked.
>>8020531>>8020514clearly this was directed at /ic/, which in addition to an attack helicopter I identify as for the moment I post here
>>8020477>Even put little action lines on the prostateThis man cares about his craft
>>8020502No problem, I always find it interesting to hear about other artist's processes too.>I presume GaussianNo I just go in with the blur tool and do it manually and I will do this throughout the painting. Anywhere that I feel is off or inaccurate I will go in with the blur tool and then redefine it.I think the benefit is that it removes any emotional attachment to what was already there and forces you to re-observe and redefine the shapes without breaking the thumbnail.
>>8020477Imagine your mom finds your sketchbook
>>8020469Personally, every time I try to fix something, it puts it out of proportion with everything else and makes the whole drawing worse. Iit then sets off a whole chain reaction of fixing every part of the drawing until none of it looks good or I have to stop from exhaustion. It's so annoying, I've studied and thought critically about why the things that need fixed need fixed, but it never seems to be enough. How the hell do I fix things that are rotten to the core like that?
>>8020514Marc fell off after losing his hair and getting popular
>>8020550His art and videos lost soul. He's still really fucking good but not good enough to endlessly shill his (pretty terrible) online course.I still remember when he popped off on DeviantArt. Was the face of the site for years and everyone wanted to draw like him.
>>8020283Do more of this. You're clearly passionate about it and the tourists can fuck off back to their safe horny Twitter feed if they don't like seeing it
>>8020433You lack talent. For how long have you been drawing and the current macaco >>8020327 rapemogs all your shit in just a few months?
>>8020510I’ll look into water referencesMy biggest thing is still clothes in water. Just wet clothes in general. Guess I gotta learn something. Overall, how’s the piece? Anything to work on besides my lack of water knowledge?
>>8020554I have only known him for a few years, but nowadays it's just clickbait to sell courses, so I stopped paying attention a while ago
>>8020562Back in the day he was genuinely one of the best artists on the internet. I'm talking like 15 years ago when he still worked for Blizzard, and his earliest videos had draw sessions and tutorials that not a lot of "good" artists touched on nearly two decades ago. He's deleted all his old vids and he's stopped improving because he's comfortable were he's at, which is fine but disappointing because I can't stand the dumb Proko tier intros and constant shilling.
>>8020554You mean the course that is better than most universities out there?
>>8020562Seems to be the way for most content creators in this awful environment we’re in. When times were better (aka the economy wasn’t crap and the internet was less corporate), internet artists were way less competitive and moreso actually doing things for the love of the game. They weren’t chasing algorithms or drawing the hottest new trendKatawa Shoujo would’ve been charged at $15 if it were released today alongside a bunch of merchandise and social media advertising
>>8020560I don't know how to cloth. but what I don't like is how tail out of torso ends like some kind of guro
>>8020557Six but I didn't take it seriously until 2022. I've stagnated and haven't improved all year.This was my studies from a year ago and it's no better than now. Even the elf girl I drew last year looks better than the OC I make now.
Very boring. How many times do i have to do this before I can draw from imagination?>>8020442erotic.>>8020585Still mogs me. Could try diversifying; branch into painting maybe.
I told myself i need to stop making sketches without at least inking them so >>8020446thank you for the kind words>>8020582>but what I don't like is how tail out of torso ends like some kind of guromy thoughts exactly
>>8020585Time to get out of the comfort zone and stop drawing dolls as a way of constructing the body or go the appealfag way and do porn with...oh you already are.... er.... welp... xD
second one for today
>>8020554admittedly, this is becoming the only route that's viable for artists these days because of AI. I rather them shill their bullshit than start shilling AI
an attempt was madeI'm going to have to do like 500 more of these to draw hands reasonably well, aren't I?
>>8020592>>8020585>>8020585>Sixnta but it is solid construction for 6 years. The brazilian guy is just a freakish outlier so dont feel bad about it.
>>8020433You probably don't want to hear this since you're a perpetual studyceltard, but try spending 20-40 hours on a single finished illustration to see where you actually stand. You're just doing the same thing with these figures. Even those drawings you did of your OC look like figure studies more than they do an attempt at creating something original.
>>8020467Personally I'm just jealous. I thought my combination of slightly above average intelligence and "the condition which must not be mentioned or you'll derail the be whole thread" meant the most I'd ever aspire to is chasing high-beg drawing skills on a Mongolian throat singing board. Turns out still having energy after 30 is god mode if you manage to maintain self-confidence
>>8020542My mom loves everything I draw :)
>>8020616>That's what I call a real bean-flicker son. You did good.
>>8020616My mom called my dogshit chun li drawing impressive and i felt suicidal the entire day cause i know it's not impressive and i'm not special, i'm just a creep i'm a weirdo.
>>8020598Is it just me, or can his legs simply rotate on their own axis? Which is quite strange, since he doesn't appear to have any joints that would allow him to do so...
>>8020622What the hell you doing here?
>>8020626i belong here, i don't care if it hurts being a /beg/
>>8020629Peril, put this filthy begnigger out of his misery.
>>8020629 I was just singing along
>>8020611This >>8011308 took me 30 hours over three days to complete. Even this finished sketch >>8019326 took 6 hours because of all the revisions and redraws and it still ended up bad.I don't think it's a time spent on a single piece issue.
>>8020606Yep, more usually
>>8020636except for the ugly dick, the result is quite nice
>>8020634me too! Cute mermaid
More warhammer fanart>>8020479I love these scribbles anon, lots of energy and good gestures.
is this too small for reference?
>>8019917Thank you top G. I guess my biggest problem is that I was using the circle as the cranium and not really cutting enough of the sides of it. The comment about looking at the reference more is also a very good tip to remember. I tried comparing my face to Loomis description and it wasn't really a one on one comparison
>>8019617worked on it some more, added contrasttempted to stick with girl in void, the backgrounds I've tried haven't really worked
>>8020658looks awesome, why dont you try some abstract bg? like some shapes with a gradient maybe textured. try to do some photobashing turn down the opacity and paint over it. being able to draw bgs is on a whole new level like learning to draw the human figure...
Today’s perspective practice
iwnbaa
>>8020624nah youre correct. i had originally made the knee joints as ball joints, but then reverted back to a classic one dimensional joint, hence the mistake.
lines and flat color
>>8020658You are not Tsubaki.
>>8020658I kind of liked muted soft of the first
>>8020691something with a bit of texture maybe>>8020711I remember doing a study a while ago, I think the hairstyle stuck>>8020713thanks russia, I really like your take on the pot and the hat
>>8020709
>>8020720feet and leg fix...
>>8020722Ty
>>8020720I think the original raised leg was funnier, but I really like how this is done and it makes more sense.
>>8020720Ahemlift that solenow
Recent life drawing that I just rendered
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA HELP ME STOP BEING PERMABEG PLEASE
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
another day, another chapter of perspective worksheets
>>8020760How can I help you if I didn't see your drawing
AAAHHHHHHHHHHHHGGGGGGGGGGGRRRRRRRH
I'll have what he's having!
>>8020771BECAUSE I FUCKING CANT. I AM BLIND. I AM SHIT. I AM FUCKING INCAPABLE OF LEARNING. ANY FUCKING JACKASS IN A WEEK MOGS MY YEARS.I AM FUCKING GARBAGE.
>>8020780AAAAAHHHHHHH
is this the masonic symbol
>>8020781Please dont let this be the agdg and 3 schizo
>>8020783no it looks like the pirate symbol
>>8020783nice lightit is, but don't ask why, it's nonsense
>>8020740Hahaha, I really wanted to show her entire sole, but to achieve that I would have to flex her lower leg at least to 90 degrees, and I honestly don't like showing the sides of the heel too much. I mean, the "symbol" that I generally like to draw wouldn't be possible without flexing the leg even more, but that would be deviating from the anon's intention, so I preferred to leave it as close as possible.
>>8020740Here, take this one I made a few days ago. Maybe it'll quench your thirst for soles and maybe legs...
>>8020754What's the point of life drawing if you just use it to symbol drsw perfect side profiles?
Also, my poses are too static, too stable. They're not as dynamic as I'd like. Any suggestions besides using references and changing the camera angle?
>>8020787I'm just noticed/realized. cute witch nice composition
>>8020792draw characters doing stuffeating, fucking, drinking, running, fighting, swinging, jumping, climbing let them use their hands and feet and body for something they want to do
>>8020794Yes, I've heard that one. From what I understand, the idea is that by giving it a purpose, a specific action, you impose limits on yourself that reduce the range of possibilities (at least on a blank canvas). Then the drawing acquires logic, action, movement, intention, or so they say. One problem with this approach is that it's not enough to specify the action as a single unit—"fuck, drink, eat, etc."—but you also have to define other conditions that further reduce the space, such as the number of support points, elements, or accessories that help or hinder the action, and so on.
>>8020791To learn and to improve at drawing
Today’s anatomy practice - movement of the mandible
What do I dedicate my skills to for (You)s?
I am actively becoming worse the more time I invest into this god forsaken hobby. Nothing is clicking.one more bad break could bring a fall
>>8020815try big boobs.
>>8020818this is what I produced in one hour of drawing by the way. not like anyone is reading this anyways.
>>8020818What do you mean by "nothing"? From your images, I can extract proportions, style, line quality, line hierarchy, common manga/anime shading conventions, etc. Perhaps you don't know what to extract because you're unfamiliar with the name or term of a specific theme or technique, its meaning, or how it should look in isolation...
>>8020819Is that your drawing? What the hell is the plant guy wearing in his crotch? a pouch? What does he carry inside it?
>>8020360Kino
>>8020824It was supposed to be some kind of bag containing ritual stuff (dried chicken feet or other nonsense) as part of the creation/animation
more floating anime heads
>>8020818draw traditionally>>8019806this sheet of paper took less than an hour
>>8020835can you post a floating anime head process please? i will trade it for a drawing i actually value if you care
>>8020850money, my man, open you wallet and let me see what you got there...
>>8020852no:(what if i say pretty please?
>>8020850I'm basically using the method from Hide's course
>>8020855Man i can't seem to find a good brush for PS and CSP is kinda ass ngl fr
>>8020856keep seaching bro, i got mine after many attempts and tests.
>>8020856You trying to download more skill
>>8020831Cool drawing. I don't know why that weirdo zeroed in on the pouch as warranting comment
>>8020859It's an old drawing, and I'm happy to explain
>>8020858
>>8020859bruh. to my defense i scanned the drawing from right to left top bottom before commenting...
>>8020858Already at 11 so it must be the brushes or the programs fault
>>8020867i don't like the proportions because the foreshortening is kinda shit, no reason to continue with the upper or lower limbs, to be honest the different bodies actually confused me. Damn that would be extremely sad if i wasn't able to easily produce another sketch in 3 minutes.
>>8020806When drawing from life, try to draw exactly what you see, not what you think you are seeing
>>8020874damned proportions and foreshortening yeah...
actually never mind still salvageable if separated by color, the positioning and foreshortening IS shit but i pulled the thing out of my ass . Are these deltoid rotations at the correct axis? that clear enough? Should be more up front me feels like. I appreciate any critique ^-^ imma go take a shower.
>>8020877dodson hater, but how about starting to copy from something abstract like rocks or drapery? This way you cant think anything probably
>>8020882Who the heck is she? Let me know so I can look up some references because I don't really understand your drawing...
>>8020885Cheshire cat from black souls 2 this is her official art work.
>>8020892>Cheshire cat from black soulsoooh i see i see. i will try to redraw your idea...
bayonetta wants an anon to lick her toes...
>>8020901do this one
>>8020882based
>>8020892>>8020901>>8020908there you go anon, hope you like it, please hit like and subscribe, and if you like my content consider making a donation...
>>8020902so no one wants to lick her toes, nvm i will take care of her.
>>8020884That's why many draw birds and insects. More interesting than rocks, but we don't have too strong concepts of them ingrained in our mind. Humans truly are the mist difficult to draw: too deep are the symbolic concepts we have of them and too easy is it to discern inaccuracies in the drawing.I should do insect studies as well...
>>8020917I want to lick her something else, if you catch my drift
>>8019999Nice quads, finna add some shadows probably >>8020418Ty
horrors
>>8020963I have a feeling that her eyes weren’t actually SUPPOSED to look that creepy
niggers are saying creepy like bro they just make me want to choke hetriple gay faggots getting creeped out by literal breeding puppets
You could try being nice?
should i try to pirate csp instead of using krita? i know i know a different program won't magically make me a better artist but im still pretty new to digital so i wanna switch programs before one becomes like second nature
>>8020984I don't know the character, but it's the Cheshire cat from what I assume is a rapey junk. So, the somewhat crazy vibes was what I was going for
>>8019806>>8019807I think you're drawing too smalltry using a page for a single figure, it will let you add more information and see more mistakes
>>8020812Bro drew an aids patient on his death bed
>>8020984Nah it works imo, this is what she really looks like, she's supposed to have a mean face i think
>>8021044You get it
>>8020877I’m well aware anon but I appreciate the advice anyways. Mind you this isn’t the only life drawing I’ve done. I was rushing that particular drawing because my mom wanted to leave and the guy kept moving lol
I think I'm getting closer to being able to color this sunrise scene! Having to paint the river still scares me though (let alone the human subjects I've ignored)
Believe it or not, this is an improvement (especially because I drew fully from imagination). The thing is, learning the underlying anatomy and stuff is nice, but knowing which lines to take/prioritize when expressing the muscles is still not obvious. Now I think it's time for loads of copying.Do not take notice of the feet or hands, as I have not studied them yet. The drawing has enough issues without them anyway.
>>8021049a problem with life drawing is that it's difficult to have feedback on where you're going wrongand just repeating the wrong thing won't lead to improvementyou might want to supplement your practice with photo ref so that you can overlay and have this objective feedback readily available
>>8021061It isn’t difficult to get feedback because you just gave me feedback lolI draw everything - from life, photo ref, anatomy studies, etc. Life drawings have improved my drawing skills the most overall though.
>>8021064I mean objective feedback, not generic advice, as in: this shape is too narrow, this is misplaced to the right by this much, this should be at this specific angle, etcbut if you're already doing photo ref too then it's fine, just remember to overlay and check for mistakes
>>8021068I get what you mean. I appreciate the feedback nonetheless
Is there something wrong with the eyes? I feel like there is.
>>8021088I'd worry about the general head structure firstyou can try simon's approach and see if it works for youhttps://i.warosu.org/data/ic/img/0079/52/1780069948729806.mp4the first 10 seconds are the important ones
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>>8020781Permabegschizo is that you?
Thoughts? I'm having mega trouble constructing the left (your left not hers) arm's bottom bit, as well as figuring out how hair this big works at the bottom.>>8021098 #Oops. I'll definitely consider it next time and try what you gave me, thank you.(if you saw this before no you didn't, just had to finish darkening the hat brim)
>>8021100Don't lose the heavy shading. Makes the drawing pop nice. Leftmost is best imo.
>>8021100idk what's going on but left is best and that one makes her look like she isn't going crazy anymore
>>8021100they don't capture the character desu.still nice drawings
>>8021157Thanks for the construction (and pussifying) boss
i dont want to draw anymore it's making me sick
how to draw this pose?
i fear i made head too big>>8021156cool as usual i like his little hand>>8021100right face fits the character the most of these
>>8021165why does she have no pants?
>>8021165her left arm proportions are kinda wack
Would you be willing to rectify her NEET ways?
>>8021169its how the requested character looks, have to figure out how to make it look furry too>>8021170ill try to fix thanks
>>8021176talent
>>8021180????
>>8021165>>8020967sexo>>8021100left
>>8021176Give her long hair and sure
I feel like I'm getting the hang of angles and anatomy and stuff, but I just can't stop my shit from looking mega amateur because I can't keep my lines straight. Is there a brace or something I can wear to force myself to draw from the elbow + shoulder correctly? Every time I do it, the lines ARE smoother, but at the cost of my arm just flying the fuck around way too sloppily.
>>8021100right. left is generic, while crazy is interesting.
>>8021205This, everyone saying left has no taste at all. It also just looks way more aesthetically interesting instead of generic watery-eyed anime.
>>8021205Right would be better if he did it on purpose, but this is /beg/ so you know that the "crazy" eyes are just because he doesn't know how to control facial expressions, which kinda ruins it
>>8021205yous are nice and all, but it wasn't a vote. I just posted the right one three times and played around with it. The left one is more "cute" or at least less abrasive.
>>8021210What makes you think it wasn't intentional?
Auu... I thought the comically lopsidedly negative grok critique thing might've just been a fluke, but I put the art in gemini and got 1 "things you're doing well" and 5 "areas that need improvement"... the /beg/ self-image slaughterers...
>>8021157nice
>>8021212Because we're in /beg/ and it's extremely common for people to make faces look unintentionally uncanny or horrific because they don't know what they're doing
>>8020779this
>>8020510>heads need to be much smaller.Recurring problem for me, I'm gonna spend the next bit really trying to dial in proportions
>>8021224crabing like never seen before
>>8021221Would you still love her if she had emaciated ribs and a little potbelly and tiny saggy titties? And had her Fred from Scooby Doo outfit taken? (not that that's what I'm doing with her)
Forearm muscles are troublesome to figure it out, specially in rotated scenarios. aaaah
>>8021224you sound like a woman, always full of assumptions
>>8021162like do i tilt it?
>>8021211you literally posted „comment“ to farm yous and are annoyed by what people write? you lowkey are annoying with your constant latent hostility towards any sort of feedback. its apprent in almost every single one of your interactions. why do you even post here if you cant stand any interaction thats not a 100% according to your terms
guy above never dealt with ESLs
>>8021258>you literally posted „comment“"Comment' is the default text in the new post box.It was supposed to appear as placeholder text
>>8021250ik what u mean
>>8021262im guessing hes either taiwanese or proper chinese. pent up anger plus some asian jeans produce good art but someone extremely annoying to interact with.
>>8021258>hostility towards any sort of feedbackproofs?
>>8021034https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JU6A_wy7w_kThe rapy is very important and the original cheshire cat had a crazy stare>>8021100 Looks AI-ish
>>8021220why did you outsource human labor to AI when you could have easily gotten 5 replies calling you a retarded permabeg nigger and 1 pity reply from peril here?
>>8020636it's sad to watch you go down the futa path.Another one lost to the coom.
I can't do lineart for shit and It's getting annoying
Where do you guys get pose references these days?
Operation Zero Sex Appeal is complete... also operation Never Draw Hands Or Feet at Any Cost...
>>8021304From my folderaHR0cHM6Ly9tZWdhLm56L2ZvbGRlci9oNXB4RUlxSSMzWGZrOWhxNUZMczZtU204ZXJ6ZVJB
>>8021306 i can see one feet doe
>>8021322From the side is ez (relatively), from the front is insane for insane people
benison
no sucky sucky yesterday :(>>8021300Your problem is not lineart, it's the overlapping and suggestion. I can't really read the body, but the tail looks nice.>>8020716There’s too much dark, which makes it hard to read. A simple gradient for depth, along with some texture for variation, would look nice.>>8019949For me, it's easier to place where the hands and feet go in space first, and then build the limbs from there. It helps me make the pose feel more relaxed and proportional.
ah fuck wrong pic lol
>>8021100I'm not even opening this. Crazy eyes were perfect, don't let retards make you question your taste
>>8021332ralph don gon bald?
ok 3rd time a charm
I feel aimless going for random practice. Like finding random poses of some theme to grind. It feels soulless. Perhaps I should focus on making more meaningful projects and learn things around that.
Isn't drawing coom art really gay?your whole objective is to extract cum from another man's ballsseems pretty gay to me
>>8021335yeah Lalf don gon bald
>>8021304I have a bunch of those artpacks anons buy for 3$ on artstation and upload here, when it's not enough I look around for a bit as there's always some guy doing yoga or an airsoft femboy posting pictures on social media, and when that's not enough I just draw from imagination and make peace with the idea that it will look like shit.
>>8021338If anyone manages to coom to the weirdass titties I drew, I'll commend them for their fortitude.
>>8021338anatomy studies are even gayer. imagine spending countless hours just admiring and studying (mostly) the male physiquejust so you can draw a realistic muscle daddy
>>8021300you are better than i will ever be though
my breakout /pro/ illustration has been overdue for weeks nowmonths, years if i will still be around>inb4 deletesuck it
How much tolerance is cope tolerance? anything past 12 in csp and 9 in ps?
>>8021190please record yourself drawing. This is great and I want to learn
Yuri Ha fan art. Posting the sketch before the disaster of my inking ruins another one.
>>8021190tiny hand marine>>8021367cute >>8021375comfort zone>>8021336are you the guy who cried anatomy? read a book sweetie >>8021333Best picture in the thread
>>8021379noice
Aww, I want feedback too. .
>>8021383whomst
>>8021357Thank you.I will do so when I continue on with it tomorro and hopefully post here when it's finished.But it's more a timelapse of the screenshots krita automatically makes of the image every 3 seconds or so.I don't think I have the space to make high framerate recordings of my screen for multiple hours.
i got 3 (you)s this thread! thats the most ive ever gotten! no constructive criticism but they were all positive so im kinda happy with that.
Ok but I got 7 (you)s one time
>>8021398There's still time for more (You)s
I got nuttin'... maybe I shoulda put more sex appeal...
>>8021417havent gotten one since 10pm on the 19th so i doubt ill get any more lol but its not like i posted anything very impressive
>>8021367The inking. Not my worst.
>>8021392I think a timelapse will already be teaching us a lot. You don't have to reveal the secret of every brush stroke.This Death Guard marine looks even better.I like drawing Marines and Eldars. Both have such interesting compelling shapes. But I lack the technique to make it really work. Colors especially are a bother.
>>8021428you could post more work thoughever
>>8021398We get barely any You's. But just you wait and see as the hatkid schizo comes back and takes over the whole thread for him like a protagonist.
>>8021420Getting one (you) without sex appeal from this general is worth 100 tweets to me
>>8021398the (You)s I get in a month can be counted with one hand - excluding mass replier (You)s.It's a surprising when your work got no (You)s yet ends up in a thoughtfully put together OP collage.
>>8021450>TFW didn't get any (you)s from the last two mass repliers this threadRock bottom...
INFINITE (YOU)WORKS
trying to recapture what my old old art had which my current art doesnt >>8021375the camel text is too dark, sticks out like a sore thumb>>8021176seems like thats up to her to solve not me
Keep working on your art so you might get more (you)s. Most people here are autist freaks whose tastes and skill levels rarely coincide, so there is rarely a common interest to engage on.
>>8020595the hair shine looks really nicelove this
>>8021426Nice job so farI assume this is a texture study?
Apparently my edgy teen copy pastas incur a warning...fair, but I'm beg as shit. All my text is worth is writing fluff pieces to adv that come here to brag because their too inadequate in social media to make it. If you're going to give me that little box to fill, I might as make a spicy curry since I'm not qualified to give crit's huh? Ok ok i'll stop...I get it :)
>>8021465Someone's gotta love moderately oveweight bitches...
I want to sleep. Forever.
>>8021478in those tits. right now.
>>8021450>>8021458>>8021446>>8021460You faggots happy now?
>>8021379that water looks really good what the fuck
>>8021471Texture from imagination, pose and face from ref. She wears a different dress. I like drawing gold - I have many different approaches and attempts at it now. There must be a faster, better way.
>>8021490>getting (You)s for shitposts, but none for workIt keeps getting worse...>>8021478IktfInteresting line work
>>8021377wuts the guy who creid anatomy?
threw in the pencil because i am happy with the bigger figure,ignore weird musculature shading artifacts on the legs and torso, they are lines i couldnt delete from the first (failed) attempt, because printer paper
by the way these are from the bridgman book on the books thread
>>8021500Nice work, keep experimenting, I find that is when I learn the most.
I wish I was talented like the brazilianfag
Every so often when I need a boost of motivation, I go through some master sketchbooks, such as Yoshinari. Even though his sketches already mogs me exponentially, seeing his rough studies is comforting.
https://youtu.be/NGQJ6_xhlhU?list=RDNGQJ6_xhlhU
how do i develop my own style or stick with one style?whenever i use different artists' and different studios' work and characters as reference i feel like im confusing myself bc i try to emulate their art style as well and it feels like none of it sticks properly because its all different.should i just keep using references and practicing and itll come to me naturally as i get better even if i enjoy the look of multiple fairly ydifferent looking styles and i dont really want to have to drop any of them because they all inspire me. i sorta have a vibe that i want my art to have so should i just try to incorporate that into the references i use?
>>8021547An artist's style emerges through the creation of original work. The elements that you internalize through studying the work of different artists will begin to coalesce into a style. Style is dynamic, constantly evolving through creation as well as exposure to new artworks.
beg has officially done me dirty i am never posting art here again
>>8021577 please don't go ):
>>8020835Yours look good.>>8020854I've never copied from Hide himself because I'm not a fan of his art style, but I like yours so now I'm wondering.
what do i do when i dont know what to draw
squeezing my brain like a damp rag, and these are the last drops which might be wrung from it today>>8021540cyclops robot looks like he's sucking on a pacifier lol
>>8021594I find that punching my leg or hitting my head can be a soothing break from trying to think
>>8021597its not helping!!!! how do i come up with stuff to draw and actually feel inspired to draw the stuff!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! hELP!!!!
>>8021594look at fun stuff and draw itbirds, plants, insects, tigers, whales, monkeys and moreyou don't need to invent the universe from scratch
>>8021594>>8021600quit drawing, develop interests and tastes, then come back
>>8021605i have interests and tastes and i draw things im interested in. i just have a hard time coming up with specific things. i can think of many things i'd like to draw but i have to think a lot to have something ''''''revolutionary'''''' pop into my head. sometimes i think of something and get to drawing it almost immediately because im inspired but a lot of the time i can only think of general themes
>>8021600draw, and you will feel inspiredwait for inspiration, and you will never drawalternatively, draw stuff from your daily life. if you're reading a book draw stuff from that. if you're playing a game or watching anime or having gay sex, draw that
>>8021613I tend to get better ideas while actually drawing. And you can develop the ideas on the paper. General ideas will turn into more specific ones as you draw.
>>8021614>>8021615this is good advice, thank u
>>80216252006 called and wanted its show back
how many of you are left handed?
https://youtu.be/lO-FCu0YZa8?list=RDlO-FCu0YZa8
>>8021639ambidextrous
>>8021639Me
>>8021625this is cute
>>8021461what do you think is missing from your newer stuff compared to your old?
>>8021614Hello again girl anon
>>8021648nothing anymore, i figured it out
>>8021650I'm one of the few regular posters who isn't a woman tho
>>8021614they rly make u take all that drugs?:(genuine goncern.drew a fucked up pic of u, as is the tradition, but i just legit feel bad 4 u more so than usually today and wont post it unless u think maybe it will bring u a laugh.
>>8021469really? I thought that was the worst part, appreciate it
>>8021595yeh he's rolling on ecstasy at a rave
>>8021647ty
I WANT TO BE TALENTED ENOUGH TO IMPROVE.
>>8021188you're talented bro. congrats.you're gonna make it. make sure to not remember me when you're surrounded by praise and worship, i'll most likely be dead
>>8021198I feel like you just need to thug it out, maybe try to apply some line weight. My lines are also dookie but they've been getting better as I start to notice where they should be thinner and thicker, and more or less opaque. Watch a video about it, keep drawing and you'll be fine.
Redraw for big 1 month (and 2 days).>>8021677cute sailboat>>8021682jej saved
>>8021698solid improvementstill, it needs more accuracyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMX3K3YMbd8
>>8021702I need to get a tablet so I can do stuff like this. Or I guess I could mouse draw for this, since it's more eye training than hand training. Thanks anon.
>>8021654please share your insights because i might learn something
>>8021713you can also do it tradhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFes-S5HbxU
Can anyone give me a hand/give me some pointers? I have genuinely no idea what I'm looking for when it comes to trying to construct/simplify this pose...specifically the hips.
>>8021734learn pelvis
>>8021695squeesh...
>>8021682hehehehHAHAH good post
>>8021211>>8021100>>8020963Ooooh, interestingo! Could you post a time-lapse video? Or a more raw, earlier version?
>>8021597i gave myself a yellow spot over the liver after repeatedly punching myself on the abdomen (its gone now though), you are likely less strong relative to your size but still watch out lol
>>8021614I think the meds don't work, because you made your retardation your identity. You think mental illness is cool.Meds are just supports. The work has to come from you. Normies say: just stop being [depressed, ...]. I realized they are right, this is the way, just stop the loop.
>>8021782normies once told me, "just copy from life," "use references," and they were actually somewhat right...
>>8021780i fear the drapechads
chapter 13 was the hardest thing i've had to do yet, it took me 3 attempts to get it right. the first 2 attempts i forgot to move the measuring lines in perspective so they'd be at the right scale.
>>8019549thats fucking baller dude.
>>8021790>procrastinated with perspective again award
>>8021793>>8021695sick
>>8021734buy some hd, bro. i dont work with images smaller than 800x400.
>>8021824the chinese movie?
>>8021814This is pretty cool, needs ink.>>8021824This is pretty garbage>>8021793This is huh...wow.>>8021790i love math so much it's unreal>>8021780Don't hatch it with the line art bruth, it looks horrible if you do that.
>>8021801perspective appeals to my autism. i also don't understand the aversion everyone has to actually learning this fundamental. you just have to learn it once so why is everyone so hellbent on doing some 100 boxes that aren't even in perspective challenge by some guy who says that his course doesn't teach you perspective and calling that good enough?
Today’s anatomy practice - muscles oc the head, neck, and face.
critique?
>>8021827you're just procrastinating, thinking you're improving when in reality you aren't
I cant handle being mogged anymore. I quit, crabs won
>>8021835what am i procrastinating from? drawing anime heads?
>>8021827some linear perspective is good for everyone.>>8021834seems kind of lopsided. No boobs or convincing musculature>>8021835at least he draws instead of just nagging
>>8021834deformed body, proportions are all wackstick to drawing some boxes, bro
>>8021834Chest and head seems way to big compared to rest of body. Also wrinkles on torso look weird.
how to legs
>>8021868Reference and studying anatomy
>>8021868Honestly those legs aren’t bad, already has a good sense of rhythm. But yeah just copy refs, and learn how to draw a simple standing leg from multiple angles to get used to the structure of the forms, then try putting it in different poses
>>8021902Cute!
>>8021717Pyw
>>8021793kino
>>8021793is this 4 or 5 point perspective?
>>8021926more like broken 3p with the warped washer
>>8021929>when you focus on one part of the drawing and aren't a construction chad.pnghurts
>>8021902Sex!
>>8021929I like her weird alien eyes, she looks cute and dumb.
do any of u still use SAI PaintTool?
Haven't drawn in a couple of days, here's a warm up, what do you think?
>>8021953Looking good! The left foot looks a little long, though. I think it's at least in part due to being too thin/noodly.
>>8021953cute, one foot feels longer then another, uneven chest, questionable tail attachment
>>8021900One of the most upsetting things I've seen posted here.
>>8021963>a guy with his cute daughter>upsetting?
>>8021963your mind is rotten beyond repair.
>>8022025what do i study and practice to achieve your level
>>8021953Looks good but work on forms. The tail could especially benefit from being a more cylindrical form moving in space
>>8022027don't know.I copied a bit of bridgeman and use morpho booklets when drawing, but mostly I just use random artworks and pictures from pinterest as reference.I just like to draw my waifus.
>>8022025Good stuff, I really like your shading and lines
Both the ink and my Tachikawa holder are here. Now I am just waiting for the nib. Soon, I shall become a mangaka god and with this new power you will have no choice but to you'd me more often in this forsaken place. MWAHAHAHA!... Though, it might take a while since Amazon is trolling me.
colored
>just get a better cam-NeverAnyways enjoy
>>8022049cool as usualpushing values and adding highlights / specular reflections would sell it even more
>>8022049>>8022052Seconding this. It’s great but needs some texture to look more like a robot
>>8021306I keep looking at this and thinking I should have made her legs longer. What do you guys think?
Yes, I'm better than you
>>8022057the eye and jaw on the right side are a bit wonky and I would add a bit more skull on top
>>8022069?
saw a video on perspective from some guy and he just drew a grid and then what he saw in real lifedont understandeng anything
>>8021900>>8021902cute>>8021868>>8022049mogs me>>8021952cirno!!!
what if something like this
>>8022050Never stop enoying
>>8022079Push more. Push until you think it's too much
>>8021953Tried fixing it on my phone
>>8022079betternow improve your lineart (make overlaps darker/thicker)report back with result
>>8022042based permabeg material hoarder
>>8019372You should that rabbit draw getting raped by a big bad werewolf
>>8020819Her cast shadow should be casting onto his leg
>>8022079It's time to go beyond neutral standing pose 3/4 view robots. Draw them doing something cool.
how do I overcome my fear of failure and disappointment? I know I will draw awful today, even my practice to make one body will take two hours, but I want to get better.I feel I am being judged and laughed at by my peers who have surpassed me.
>>8021980>>8022024It radiates an evil aura
>>8022105No one's laughing at you lil bro, nobody even knows who you are. Just draw.
>>8022110crab ass bitch
>>8022079damn this wasnt me btw. thanks for the correction dude.i see you pushed up the color contrast and added line weight/ink? anything else im missing?
>>8022115I was trying to add darker darks, but I'm not sure how it should look
>>8022110Stop telling the truth
>>8022126The underside of her skirt should be visible based on how you drew the table
>>8021952
>>8022110Please don’t be rude…
started a drawing and like 2 hours into it i realized that i was too ambitious and gave up bc it looked bad...now im just kinda sad abt iti gotta think of something else to draw
>>8022145Persevere. What could go wrong? Posting the result in /ic/ and being called atrocious?.... Oh, never mind.
>>8022145>giving up after a mere 2 hoursngmi, some sketches can unironically take 10+ hours just to get out of the ugly phase
>>8022145>was too ambitious and gave up You should just do it anyway. You will always run into some trouble. Just quitting is boring
>>8022145become stronger then get back to it
>>8022145Post it or it didn't happen
>>8022128Yeah, the skirt was bothering me. Also for being too long and not "spongy".desu it was meant to be a copy from physical to digital to get used to the later, until I thought about adding a background and realized that it's hard too
>>8022110Considering I'm house bound, I might aswell keep at it and permabeg until my death.
to all who struggles ITT: keep at itit will click eventually
>>8022165pyw
>>8022165yeah when Im fucking dead. I'm learning at a snail's pace.
>>8022165Most people here are unironically hopeless
how the fuck do I practice? I want to draw beautiful women / girls, but whenever I practice drawing anime I dont understand whats underneath and its driving me insane. I fucking HATE DRAWING.How do I learn bodies? I cant simplify the human body easily. it's hard
>>8022174>I fucking HATE DRAWING.then why?
>>8022174>I fucking HATE DRAWING.?
>>8022177>>8022179I have to get good, but I hate this process with everything in my heart. I've invested so much time into this already. People have expectations from me. But I can't drill any concepts into my head despite trying for months.
>>8022180pyw
>>8022180Yeah at this point either pyw or you're trolling.
>>8022182>>8022185Give me a pose to draw and i'll do my best, you'll see the garbage I make with a time limit.
happy hungarian day, warm up.
>>8022188anyád
>>8022187Nope, post something you've already drawn and put effort in.
>>8022187here, do this one. just draw, no need to color or paint it.30 minutes.
>>8022191please give me a pose. I'm begging you. Everything I've made is garbage. I don't want to post it, because I can't post it here anyways. >>8022192thank you. ill get to work
>>8022174painting is true freedom away from the oppression of line
>>8022124we can push it more, we have the technology
>>8022200need to make the background dark in order for the colors to pop more
>>8022200The glow is too uniform. I'm not sure it's a good move
>>8019549
>>8022174try marc brunethttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mW_hz2jsNLoor jap brunethttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQBO3xE6ecg
If you want to fry it more, you could overlay it on itself, but I'm not sure about it.
>Tracing to study>Get the impulse of "hey wait, I can totally do this part by myself now">Try it>I canIs there any better feeling? Especially when you just go off on a spree of "oh shit I can probably do this and this and this now too"
Where's my goat hatkidfag?
>>8022222Checked.
>>8022193time's up, bucko
>>8022214>posted it again award
>>8022212
>>8022229too far go back
i need food>>8022225>>8022192here's my attempt. i had to rush the ears because time was up.>>8022215I'll try mark, I hate reading subtitles. which is why I dropped krenz almost instantly>>8022194thats harderanother example of my works:>>8020818>8020818
>>8022229too much robots
>>8022231cute
>>8022229>>8022218at this point youre just trolling me. still, i appreciate the effort
>>8022227?
>>8022231Oh so you're just a retarded doomer, still better than a nodraw
>>8022236>retarded doomer mogs mewhat am i
>>8022231not badyou're just at a point where your eye is more developed than your handpush through and you'll see nice gains
>>8022231Good news: you're better at drawing loli furries than ugly big boobed whores. Embrace your calling or suffer.
>>8022238A beginner ¯\(ツ)/¯
>>8022165Thank you, Calvin's dad
>>8022234glitch art wasn't my idea
>>8022192did it myself because....why not!!>>8022231nice desu, just keep at it
>>8022231Can you show something you drew without copying?
I have this sensation that drawing seems WAAAY more fast traditionally than digitally. Especially sketching stuff.
>>8022254mogs me
>>8022262explain your thingken. because that seems dumb as shit
>>8022262true, especially if you draw with inkthere's also a natural limit to detail, which you can blow past with zoom / rescaling in digital
>>8022266Depends on the person, but I kind of agree with him. Doing lines trad is faster and simpler. Fixing them is not.
>>8022245oh wait, it was. nvm. i'm crazy
>>8022273?
>>8022270eye was correct but the head is big and the eye to the left is bigger with the wrong angle
>>8022165Posting on /beg/ + /int/? Here, let me show you something interesting.Every poster itt is either nodraw or ngmi.AAAAAA schizo? nodrawGuroposter? ngmiDespite posting drawings to the thread on a daily basis, perspective anon is nodraw.
>>8022256this is the only time I tried finishing something . I had to keep her eyes closed because I could not make decent looking eyes.>>8022254>>8022263wow good
most recent comm ive finished
>>8022278I'm ngmi
>>8022282you're gmi in my book
>>8022282I would take a few souls from this Earth to draw like you right now. I would.
>>8022282>I'm ngmiprobably, at least you are aware so there's hope i suppose
>>8022282cuties>>8022278it's over
>>8022282you are one of my biggest inspirations russianbro.
>>8022278Am you a nodraw or a ngmi if you can only slowly make shit pieces
>>8022281Political yaoi?
>>8022285I never had and do not have any aspirations to make anything with it. I wasn't even aware of the concept until relatively recently.
>>8022290yeah dr lovejoy. Idk the movie because Ive never watched it but something something bomb something something british guy that looks like stalin
why even respond to the obvious troll?
>>8022292fuck its called STRANGElove. Whatever tomato tomato
I'm ngmi :(
>>8022301I painted that
>>8022301I look like that
>>8022301nah, you're a nodraw
>>8022266Paper, pen. That is it. It is simple and fast. Now digitally there are way more inputs and stuff. You need a good hotkey flow, deal with layers, zoom/panning, etc. Like, for sketches and line art, it seems trad is super fast. Of course, you don't have access to all the digital tools and Ctrl-Z shenanigans, but the simplicity makes it very fast. Except when I have to deal with perspective/ruler.I don't know, I just feel way more efficient on a trad setup.
WIP not sure if I'll finish
>>8022282Your girls always look so bored or sleepy in your drawings
>>8022322low energy
Did I fuck this up horrendously or does this girl just have a giant forehead?
>>8022110We need you again, king.
>>8022327She does have a large forehead. Do you sketch at all or go in raw with the ink?
>>8022303Watch out for the volume of the back of the skull, you often miss it
DEATH TO HUMBLEBRAGGING TALENTED RATS
>>8022333It’s kinda got bigger problems than that going on, but yeah, that too
>>8022331I do a loomis head, then sketch, then ink.
>>8022327She does have a big forehead, but I think your bigger problem was making the drawing too wide instead of too tall. Overlay
>>8022336Welcome back hatGOD
>>8022337I did after I was done and it was fine, not perfect obviously but it was fine.
>>8022212i only noticed now, someone even added a fucking shadow lmao. why did my random mecha capture the imaginations that much. i definitely need to play around with saturation filters etc more though, is what i learned.
>>8019308my sister gave me what appears to be a first-generation wacom cintiq 16 because she prefers to use an ipad. it was very dusty but appears to be fully functional as far as i can tell. the original power cord is missing so i substituted my own spare cord and it's kind of loose. if you nudge the power brick accidentally it powers off but is fine otherwise. it seems to have a textured screen protector which feels like coarse sketchpad paper.
>>8022367Is your sister single?
>>8022369yes, but she is middle aged and turned volcel
time to pollute the thread with slop I fucked this up and tenma ended up looking psycho
also I tried drawing my dog but he moved before I could make any progress really>>8022372honestly, the smartest move she could make
and last onethe top left corner is meant to be two shot glasses on a bar table in perspective but idk it looks scuffed just like everything else
Does anyone know how to get past sunk cost fallacy with drawing? I want to quit because I'm just not cut out for, I literally can't learn or observe.
40 god damn minutes on this dogshit. I'm at it again. How do I get better at discerning subtle curves like where the question mark is? I'm aware it's very important for distinguishing where the hip is and the direction of her legs will be heading.>>8022383I would like to know the answer for this as well.
>>8022383>>8022387There is literally nothing wrong with giving up on art. It's ok to try a hobby, not enjoy it and move on instead of slaving away with something you hate doing.
finished this drawing of my husband. i dont have any ink. so i added more stink.
>>8022392forgor pic
>>8022390You would have convinced me better if you didn't use a facebook repost image. I'm autistic! We all are! Step by step! FAGGOT!
>>8022383There's no shortage of other hobbies to occupy your time. Dont be a utilitarian cuckold and think that time spent on something should reap external rewards, just find something that can captivate you and make you happy.
>>8022393Sick
>>8022397Noooo, I need to do something I loath and schizo out on /ic/ for eternity!
let me tell how how much i've come to LOVE drawing since i've begun to live>>8022380good pose>>8022375>drawing your dog as a furrysomeone taki his fucking dog away from him asap
>>8022387FAT
>>8022280nigga please he asked you something that wasnt copying and the whole thing is a copy except the face, i know because i copied this ref before lol>>8022390i did that then came back when i realized i can learn anything i set my mind too, if i knew back then how long it would take without getting anything near what i want i wouldnt have came back at all lol
>>8022409>if i knew back then how long it would take without getting anything near what i want i wouldnt have came back at all lolSame. Stopped drawing for a few years, came back, improved but still stuck in /beg/ hell for years on end with no sight for the tunnels end.Genuinely one of the worst hobbies to pick up.
>>8022278I changed my mind. I hope you ride your bike into a ditch, Calvin's dad
>>8022411It’s not a hobby, it’s a vocation. A calling. You only do this if you feel like it’s your destiny, or you’re mentally ill. Or both.
>>8022390just tell me to end it, and I will
>>8022415I seeked it out so I could impress people in school and use it as a catalyst to help me make friends. Needless to say i'm still friendless, even back then when I was fucking tracing.
>>8022415You have to be mentally ill to do this. I don't understand how Marc Brunet is a sigma Chad with an upbeat personality and a loving family, he must be an outlier.
>>8022409>nigga please he asked you something that wasnt copying and the whole thing is a copy except the face, i know because i copied this ref before lolI wasnt trying to be insidious or anything. I am genuinely having a hell of a time trying to draw with references. Drawing without them at all is impossible. Youre fucking insane.
I AM TIRED OF BEING SHIT AAAAA
>>8022418He probably cranks it to furry scat porn in secret.
>>8022278>Every poster itt is either nodraw or ngmi.ive been drawing for so long i blew past ngmi years ago and im in some sort of embarrassing hellscape that is watching all my friends have successful art careers while i stay beg because i cant improve past beg.There is no greater humiliation than being left behind. I dont wish it on anyone here. I hate what i am. I used to believe anyone could make it but then i hit a wall that i never got over. I larp that its just a hobby but im just an art failure.
>>8022403feet and penis kino
GOD MADE ME TALENTLES.S I CANT FUCKING DRAW WITHOUT TALENT.
>>8022428are you happy for your friends?or is there a part of you that wants to hurt them a little ?
>>8022428I don't remember making this post.
>>8022409>if i knew back then how long it would take without getting anything near what i want i wouldnt have came back at all lolI remember hearing about some research (probably from a youtube video about drawing) that investigated the differences between people who do and do not achieve their goals. one thing that people who achieve their goals have in common is that they consistently underestimate the amount of work something will take and overestimate their own skills. these people are perpetually trapped in a state of maximum dunning-kruger, fundamentally incapable of making honest evaluations of themselves or their task, and consequently they are constantly motivated to work towards a goal they perceive (wrongly) as being just within their reach. proving once again that delusion is a superpower.
>>8022433i fucking hate them
Quick panel for an idea I had in mindHope you all are having a good friday, lads
>>8022423>Youre fucking insanehow come? by pointing out you've posted a study when prompted for an original drawing? >>8022433>proving once again that delusion is a superpowerbased, thats me, i honestly believe im a few months away from being pro, disagree? fuck you.
>>8022431No im very happy for them. I'm more unhappy with myself because i just cant seem to fix the issues i have even when i receive feedback telling me where to focus on.My current issue is thinking in 3D/construction. It doesnt matter how much i study it it just doesnt stick
>>8022433>ask for critique and advice on how to improve>"just draw bro" ;)Or>ignored because drawing is boringOr>"it looks good bro" ;)>why am I not improving... guess I'll just keep drawing
>>8022437Plenty of artists choose a reference and post it as a "original drawing". I'd like to see your original drawing.
>>8022441>>8022403>>8021461>>8021518and this since you consider studies original >>8022409
>>8022403I miss him>>8022407I look like this
>>8022387Your eye is still underdeveloped. Until you work on that, you’ll have a hard time. Copy more art that you like.Overlaps are a great tool for giving a sense of volume. They don’t need to be harsh just a subtle hint is enough, and your brain will do the heavy lifting. A nice trick for guessing where an overlap is needed is to look for areas where strong changes in shading consistently appear under different lighting conditions. This is why getting comfortable with values and shading is so important.pic example not a fix.>>8022436great work anon I really like it.
figure drawing practice of a voluptuous goddess
>>8022387>How do I get better at discerning subtle curvesobservation, manually thinking wtf you are doing and anatomy studies>40 minutesThat's a good time.If you don't brain want use lazy then draw 10000000 references of the same-ish pose
slacked on the cock but didnt even intend to color so whatever
After I grinded some anatomy study, suddenly it became easier to draw bodies. Weird.
>>8022477Proofs?
i just get worseand worseand worse
I fucking lost my s pen. Bought a new one but it's gonna take at least 4 days to arrive. Genuinely seething rn.
dead threadeveryones getting laid, drawing well, and im dying and unable to doodle anything
>>8022509I'm only drawing well
>>8022515pyw or it didn't happen
>>8022515better than I ami hate you
asfh fickl ajmwioaf aniobiote my fringerhalsi off
i always wanted to learn how to do perspective from a plan and elevation view like architects do. while this method has changed a bit over the past 600 years, this was essentially the original perspective method used in the renaissance that didn't rely on measuring lines, just orthographic views in scale with one another.i did find the answers to the worksheets, and realized the method i used here that made heavy use of the center of vision to drag lines into perspective was much less efficient than the official solution used, even if it got me to the same place. i should revisit this in the future. maybe draw a house from a plan.with this done, i'm officially done with learning 2 point perspective and am moving on to 3 point.
>>8022452i only see a stick in that pic ref, too straight to be usable
>>8022441If we take from reality, then nothing is truly original. Only nature can be "original"...
>>8022527He is not talking about how unique it is, but how much an image is a side by side reproduction of another image
>>8022530Im not at that stage yet I guess. If I posted something drawn purely from imagination I would be dismissed as being a LE EPIC SHIT POSTER XDI can't win.
might be a stupid question but as a late 20s dude who studies art in his free time after my 9-5, do you think it's reasonably possible to also add learning Chinese into the mix or would that be splitting up my brain too much and lead to stagnation in art?
>>8022537perfectly fine if you are at least +/-2 standard deviations in IQ
don't ask
>>8022537it's possible, i did that with japanese.
>>8022523>i did find the answers to the worksheetsWhere, are they included in the book?And what are your impressions of that book so far?I was thinking about trying it out since the book I was previously studying had sections I couldn't make sense of.
>>8022543Fucking humblebraggart
I can't shake the feeling that I'm missing something fundamental with these. The proportions of all the shapes I draw is off. My biggest issue is the box the pelvis is supposed to represent, how am I supposed to orient it with the body and at what distance?? In these drawings it varies by so much.I think I'm just shit at drawing boxes. How many of these am I supposed to do before I make it?>>8022428mogged again...
>>8022543ywnda
>>8022537it splitting of time and attention. But maybe it uses different type of brain activity so kind of distribute the load
>>8022546they're on the routledge website where you can download the worksheets from under the video tabhttps://routledgetextbooks.com/textbooks/9781138215627/student.phpthe book is like someone took a perspective course and made detailed notes about everything.i'm not sure how effective of a teaching resource it would make for someone with 0 perspective knowledge, but it works for me. and i'll probably use this book to quickly look up any perspective information i need real quick going forward. the worksheets force you to use what you're learning which helps me memorize it way better than watching a video, going "yeah, i get that" and then not actually internalizing it because i never used the information in practice. i always wait at least a day before doing the worksheets after reading the chapters so that the information isn't as fresh in my mind. if you had trouble understanding other perspective books i'm not entirely sure this one will be better, it's very terse at times and expects you to make the effort to understand it like a textbook would. there have been some sections where i had to reread through an example a few times to get what's going on. but so far it's basically the perfect perspective book for someone like me.
quick from earlier
>>8022563new mogger in /beg/
>>8022564not new just most of the time i'm posting crap studies
>>8022565link one of your studies?
I think I will just stop copying real bodies for a while and focus on doujinshi or something. I'm tired of not having my drawings going the way I want.>>8021483You should make her smile before that.
>>8022567from a few days age of hide skullslike i said, crap studies
mogged
theres really no point in trying?i think i want to see the west fall nowand the east too
i'm back
>>8022562>they're on the routledge websiteThanks.>if you had trouble understanding other perspective books i'm not entirely sure this one will be betterIt's only a specific project in the book and not perspective in general I'm struggling with, so I'm just looking for alternate explanations to get something to click.Picrel if you're interested, now that I'm reading it again it's not as difficult as I thought. Maybe I just needed a break.
Realistically, will I get accused of being a lolicon if I mostly draw short (and I mean *short*, halfling/goblin size) girls with flat chests/small boobs and fat asses? It's for a fantasy project thing. (note they have big elf ears as well)
asked the cringe rscist pedophile
>>8022598you can call them goblins but it quack like a duck
>>8022598lalafells? yes
>>8022598probably not. Depends on how mature you make them look in other areas.There are mature and childlike ways to draw a face. You can also make them appear older by adding piercings or tattoos or something.
>>8022606>it only looks like naked fat kids, it actually fantasy race,I doubt it will work. "shortstacks" can get away with it somewhat because they at least add boobs
Please participate in the strawpoll, thanks.https://strawpoll.com/ajnE14aW0nW
>>8022537It's not worth it
>>8022598 add pubes lots of them and a treasure trail just to be sure
>>8022622ints only respond to each other, laugh at me, and then go on twitter and get 200 likes and engagements on their random postsi dont want them here
You know you can create separate beg no int and beg & int threads.
so did hatkid anon finally quit
>>8022632who?
>>8022622>>8022631it's been tried many times, it doesn't work be cause the distinguishing between beg and int is too subjective. low begs get mad at mid begs, mid begs get mad and high begs etc.
>>8022635If there is a separate beg no int they can split up in there all they want, while anyone can still post in the 'beg&int
>>8022635so this phenomenon of getting mad at better artists is common? how is it overcome?
>>8022638by reaching the pinnacle
>>8022622what's the point of going to a thread full of people of a similar skill level for critique and feedback? or is that not the purpose of these threads
>>8022585fun face
>>8022640Well, it's not exactly what they want. They're fine with people of any level; they just shouldn't post their work.
>>8022640Begs and ints should be treated differently because they’re usually struggling with different thingsbegs are still learning the basics, while ints already know them and need to figure out what specifically is holding them back.>but int can help the begs!sure, ints can help begs, but that doesn’t mean they should be grouped together. You wouldn’t put someone learning multiplication and someone learning algebra in the same class just because the algebra student could help teach multiplication.
wait, did they up the image limit?
oh nvmsomeone make a new thread NOW NOW MEOW!!!!!
/ic/ is closer to the uneducated masses than to the people i'd like to be surrounded bycaptcha is impossible
>>8022645classes have a teacher
>>8022650Having a teacher doesn’t really change it. The teacher still has to choose whether to teach for the people learning the basics or the people who are already past them.
>>8022651>Having a teacher doesn’t really change it.not having a teacher does
>>8022651my point is more that these threads can't really be compared to a class because it's a completely different thing
>>8022653If anything, not having a teacher makes separating beg and int more useful, because there’s nobody here to tailor the discussion to each anon’s level.>>8022654The comparison is just about why separating skill levels can be useful. begs and ints tend to have different problems and need different kinds of feedback, regardless of whether there’s a teacher involved.
>>8022656there is no feedback to ints or to begs, it feedback from person to person
>>8022657By that logic there'd be no reason to distinguish skill levels anywhere, because all feedback is technically person to person. The whole reason we use beg/int/adv labels is that people at similar stages tend to run into similar problems.
>>8022658>The whole reason we use beg/int/adv labelsis due to retards desire to gatekeep
>>8022659Pure cope. Calling something beg or int isn't gatekeeping. It's just describing different levels of experience so people can find advice that's actually relevant to them. By that logic, beginner and advanced courses in literally any skill would just be gatekeeping, you dumbass.
>>8022659gatekeeping is a good thing. /beg/ was made to contain the beg scribble spam and newbies asking the same questions over and over.
>>8022660>Calling something beg or int isn't gatekeeping.Attempts at tiering aren't, but segregating is
>experience>not skilljej
>>8022661why has beg taken over the board then? why isnt this made right?
>>8022662A competitive sports league separating players by skill is also ‘gatekeeping.’ That doesn't make the separation pointless or malicious.
>>8022668All your analogies are flawed. Are you participating in king of the beg in the middle lineweight category
>>8022671you’ve now argued against two analogies while completely avoiding the actual point, dumbassforget every analogy I've made, why is separating people by drawing ability inherently bad when drawing ability is the exact characteristic the spaces are organized around?
>>8022291Movie is great, genuine all-time favorite. Possibly too dry for zoomers.
>>8019308Cliquefag thread
>>8022674well, the only rational reasoning I see is speed. Posh Draw don't want 3 months of work getting wiped out by a flood of scribbles. But that isn't what the issue is for anyone around here, and Draw went extinct.
>>8022682why would speed be the only rational reason? my entire argument has been that people at different stages tend to have different problems, discussions and expectations. you haven't really explained why that isn't a valid reason to separate them.
The real reason not to split /beg/ and /int/ is that1. Permabegs will infest any space that doesn't explicitly ban them, look at /draw/ it is supposed to be the high /int/ and /adv/ thread but it is full of permabegs posting their permabeg trash2. If the theads are split then the entire discussion in both threads becomes about which art does and does not belong in the thread rather than a discussion of the art itself
i feel like the current situation is the 1 guy that makes the op thinking he has some kind of power and waiting to make a thread until his beliefe about separating beg and int are validated, even though nobody gives a shit
>>8022698This is why the simple solution is to spawn as many safe spaces as anyone wants, but keep the free for all a free for all
>>8022698>Permabegs will infest any space that doesn't explicitly ban them, look at /draw/ it is supposed to be the high /int/ and /adv/ thread but it is full of permabegs posting their permabeg trashYep, sad state of things, and which is why there is a need for discords where you can actually ban these permabegs (mods on /ic/ are fucking useless cunts)
>>8022698exactly, whatever gains would be had by separating are completely wiped by the amount of low effort 'not beg/int/adv' posts they encourage
i wanna post a cool robot drawing :(
this is the last /beg & int/ thread, no more threads.post somewhere else.
>>8022698>>8022700>>8022702this. a general /beg/ & /int/ thread is the best compromise.
i hate you retards so muchwatch me be excluded in the next collage (the thread is going to happen whether you like it or not.)
actually, you know what? /beg & int/ is bad because people posting low quality drawings dont get (You)s, even though this is artwork/critique and they need them the mostso /beg & int/ is cancer that doesnt belong on the board
>>8022709>PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE RESPOND TO MY PRE-BEG SCRIBBLES PLEASE!!!!!!!!!
>>8022709You can make a low-quality drawing thread and get all the (You)s
>>8022711this is the kind of guy who wouldnt be able to distinguish skill levels in the first place.
>>8022721seethe, permabeg.
>>8022718you wouldnt be able to tell quality apartthats why wildly inaccurate drawings with pretty lines get called adv, same with bullshit out of perspective, merc wip gooner shit and booru slop
>>8022723luckily your vitriol doesnt affect my skill level.
>>8022727uh huh, sure thing, permabeg.
>>8022703go to the /mech/ general
>>8022726>you wouldnt be able to tell quality apartI don't need to, it will be the low-quality drawing thread problem
>>8022698what are the characteristics i should look out for to identify a permabeg?
>>8022737When your 3 years in art are indistinguishable from your 3 months in.
3 months in i was already low int by this board's standards
>>8022743what you believe doesn't count
>>8022738how do you keep track of anons and their work?
>pointless ragebaithard to believe that nobody is making the thread, you dont even need to make a good collage just put in the couple of images you downloaded or dont at allnobody cares about the op
>>8022748and yet you didn't make one and instead just made a post complaining about itcurious!
>>8022748You didn't make it, so why is it so hard to believe?
Image limit reachedMake a new thread I've got garbage I need to post
shan't be making a new threadsimple as
ill make the new thread, nobody make a new thread whiel i make the college
NEW THREAD>>8022759>>8022759>>8022759
>>8022758don't forget to put my image in it
>>8022703post robot
>>8022543But did you learn Japanese and drawing?
