>>8022774
Sometimes, I think about the absurd amount of art that has been made, is currently being made and will keep being made and it makes me feel that sharing my own work is a bit redundant. Like carrying wood to a forest. I suppose social media makes this worse. Before the internet, you'd see less art, more "local", and whatever you sought out in books and magazines and exhibitions and such. But with social media, you can see the endless amount of art you can scroll through - and it seems like a lot of people are interested in drawing today, too. It feels like a dump that people just keep throwing more stuff into. I have this silly thought, that it would be interesting if humanity could agree to stop making/sharing their art for a few years, just so it could look through and appreciate all the stuff that has already been made. I bet that just for the past year, enough art has been uploaded online that if nothing more was made for a few years, it wouldn't even make a difference.

Well, I guess the "solution" would be making and consuming art on a more personal level. I really like the drawings my friends make, even though there are so many others out there. Maybe what I am more bothered by is a feeling of alienation, anonymity, like all art is just feeding some kind of content monster. Though, that's a pretty obvious thought. Who knows, maybe this is just a stage in my development to become a truly "ensouled" artist lol.

>>8022808
gay writing style

>>8022774
i cant come up with good shit

>>8022808
That's just the way social media twisted interactions. Grab your wood, drop it in the forest and hope it catches fire.

>>8022808
There are plenty of opportunities for local and more personal stuff. Most of my gifts to family members are artworks. My friend directs community plays; I've been working on the sets for years (backdrops, signs, props, etc.). Kids and their friends put up a homemade display at a nearby fair two days ago. It is full of their drawings, and they built the 8' diorama. Next week, I have a painting going up in a nearby museum for a month. I'm not a museum-class painter by any stretch. The museum handed out verses from a town poetry group and small canvases. I paint one and bring it back. My daughter teaches a small variety of one-off classes at our library: drawing figures, bookbinding, polymer clay figurines. You don't need to look hard to find this stuff.

If you need a simple excuse to show people you know your artwork, print up a set of your own Christmas cards this year. Or Halloween. Doesn't matter, people love receiving this nonsense.

I did feel your own sense of redundancy recently during Artfight. Generally, though, 4chan is the closest I get to social media.

>>8022808
All my inspirations are from at the latest early 2010's. There are many internet artists that you'd always hear about, wl0p, guiweiz etc. Will there be a new generation of artists whose work is appreciated like that? Also artists drew fan art but it was from games and shows now everyone is drawing vtumors and gacha shit. Will anyone remember these games and characters that are from bottom up designed to titillate retarded coomers

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In regards to japanese art and media in general, I realized I actually hate over the top character designs and I like the character designs of stuff like JJK, Kagurabachi, and CSM over something like My Hero Academia ,Gachiakuta, Soul Eater or most JRPGs. Don't get me wrong, the character designs in both are great for the shows they're in. Superheroes and fantasy characters need to stand out after all.
But if Denji had super spikey hair or the devil hunters wore outlandish fashion, Chainsaw Man probably wouldn't have worked as well as it did.

It's the fact that they are grounded and "basic" character designs that they paint a picture of pseudo-realism. Well, as real as you can get when they are around fighting bizarre looking demons.

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Hate to say it, but I like opening the useless dating app on my Ipad and drawing the random occasional hot women I find.
It's difficult to explain but I kinda dig the feeling of knowing that these people actually exist a few kilometers from here. it makes them feel more 'real'. It's something you don't get from the random women in threads on this site or the wider internet.

I went to message my alt on twat and sure enough I was on spam along with bot accounts. X thinks I'm a bot... that explains the abysmal engagements despite using hashtags. How do I undo this without selling my soul?

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>>8022971
I don't really care about zoomer anime or manga cause japan obviously can't draw anymore.

Over designed, Simple designs, it makes no difference anymore. They all look like dogshit , Modern anime and manga is dogshit. Is it even drawn anymore? It just looks like a diarrhea of CGI effects on top of a dogshit settei / keyframes

>>8022774

i like to post my art on deviantart because it's one of the very few art places that isn't a blogposting hellhole like twitter/bluesky or a dedicated primarily to anime porn or furfags.

but i swear that half of the users post nothing but memes about the culture wars or basically just memes. one person who keeps showing up on my feed just asks an AI chatbot questions and uploads screenshots of the reply. i honestly prefer the mspaint drawings of antifurries fighting furries in roblox made by gen alpha more interesting.

probably doesn't help that i really like poking the bear every now and then. got a bunch of replies on my page from haters.

>>8022808

you need to focus your art on something niche. there's thousands of people drawing big tiddy anime girls. how many people are drawing cutaway illustration of cars?

>>8022774
When a piece of art impresses me too much, I cannot enjoy it because I am so jealous I didn't make it myself. I know this is because I have a bit of an ego problem, and also because I'm somewhat immature and undersocialised (autism). I hope I grow out of this, because it seriously impacts my ability to enjoy art. Or maybe I can just get so good that no one will ever make art better than mine, who knows?

>>8022774
>finish a course
>suck anyway
I am tired...

>>8023991
Did you at least have fun?

>>8023991
You didn’t really finish it if you still suck. The goal should be to completely master each lesson before moving onto the next. Or at least semi-competent. If there’s a lesson on boxes and your boxes still look like shit then you didn’t practice enough

>Wasted my life watching anime
>dont even remember 99% of it
>new anime doesn't appeal to me at all
Is it worth larping about these new anime just to draw them?

>>8024035
This type of mindset is what causes so many to become burned out and when the time comes to actually draw what they want they find out they still can't draw a cute animu face since all you ever do is grind fundies and a crab is born.

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>>8024038
>Is it worth larping about these new anime just to draw them?

Absolutely, the artstyle is modern and it looks really good if you incorporate some of the stuff into your drawings. Just don't watch them if you value your braincells.

>>8023994
Mostly, no

>>8024094
Have you tried to draw what you want yet? Wanna share it?

>>8024095
Sometimes. I haven't done that for a bit.

>>8024101
Start doing that more often, what's the point of grinding fundamentals if you're not even drawing what brought you here to begin with.

>>8024105
Because almost everytime what I do it's terrible.
Sometimes I feel like I can't even copy what I see.

>>8024109
To help improve I really think you need to get over the fear of failure it's part of drawing and there's no way you're not going to make mistakes. In fact, we almost never feel satisfied with our own work it's part of the sacrifice we make to create a drawing.

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why do i always get a brainfog after finishing an artwork? I 'want' to draw another thing but I 'cant' because nothing comes to my mind. Why?

>>8024212
Because you just came in an art sense and you need time to recover

>>8024233
damn, youre right

It's hard to notice I think I am actually addicted to drawing and painting. If I don't do it then I get withdrawal symptoms. I literally go mad if I don't draw. It helps me to keep calm.

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im tired boss

>>8024212
You need to brainstorm ideas and write them down. Also this isn't the dumb stupid questions thread.

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I was forced to take a month-long break from /3/ stuff when I was on a roll due to work (no access to my PC) and spent it drawing on a tablet
Now I'm back home and feeling kinda burnt out
but I also feel like I can't keep wasting my time not working on learning the 3D stuff...
It's a frustrating feeling

I feel jealous about visual artists. It feels sometimes like the entire world just forgets about composers. Plus, it’s just so much easier to draw then to make music, at least in terms of materials you need. Just a pencil and a surface, while to make music, you need bare minimum an instrument, and some place where you can play without bothering others. That or headphones and a DAW/music making app. Then, there’s all the fun stuff visual artists get. There’s here of course, but there’s also art fight and colabberative art canvases. There’s /mu but that caters to people who listen to more more then composers and such. I don’t even have any ill will to visual artists, the stuff you guys can make is amazing. I just feel jealous, Yknow? You guys get so much more stuff

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>>8024316
How would you explain all the bitterness and the doom and gloom people seem to get from making art though? Have you not seen the doom posting here?

>>8024352
I'm bi actually and I would never get groomed on discord

grooming isn't exclusively to make someone gay its about manipulating behavior
its one google search away, apache-kun

>>8024352
Because some of us has been here long before discord was a thing and its easy for us to notice the massive difference in 'log and post quality pre and post discord era, especially since 2020 meme virus lockdown that accelerates the entire thing, you probably dont even know the underground tranny pinkcord that was busted in like 2021 or something that are literally grooming underages in there, and that was just one single case in one single board

you can't even post the name of the chief tranny or the screenshot of that without risking a ban

>>8024316
I’m pretty sure that culturally, musicians have more social status and “cool” factor than visual artists. It’s a stereotype that women love to fuck guys in bands, but you never hear the same about painters

>>8024316
>it’s just so much easier to draw then to make music
Musicians make songs in literally 20 minutes while painters take days for a single artwork.
Musicians also get all the attention while visual artists are treated as children making doodles.

>>8024463
This. Normies love musicians because music is part of their loud and obnoxious "party culture". Visual artists are viewed as weird boring goofy introverts.

>>8024479
He said he was only talking about equipment, and in that sense I think he’s right. With art you buy one pencil or one tablet and you’re set, with music there’s just way more to set up, more variety, it’s more expensive. I have a friend who does music production for a living and he’s complained often about how much he’s had to fight with the software just to get it to do what he wants.
But in terms of just like, intrinsic difficulty of the skill itself? Yeah there’s no way music is above drawing. I know I’m biased but whatever. You don’t see people struggle for years to learn how to play Hot Cross Buns, but you see the equivalent in art every day here on /ic/.

>>8024482
>He said he was only talking about equipment
It still sounded condescending as fuck tho.
Also painting materials are expensive too. A single Liquitex tube often costs 20 bucks. Brushes often costs 20+ bucks. Good paper is expensive too

>>8024482
you really need to imagine how impressed an audience would be by hot cross buns and reconsider what the drawing equivalent actually is

>>8024482
>With art you buy one pencil or one tablet and you’re set
That's like saying you only need for voice for music and that's it.
Singers don't need anything. They can just use their voice.

There are also artists who have to constantly buy expensive colors, brushes, airbrush pistols, pencils, expensive paper, and all kinds of other materials.

>>8024463
who cares what women think

>women
>think
nice oxymoron, faggot

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I cant thumbnail for illustrations to save my life. Im too slow and dumb....

>>8024552
Thumbnailing and doodling is a seperate skill from drawing regularly. You have to first get used to it.

>>8024344
>Social engineering
Now things are beginning to make more sense.

>>8024552
> tranny
Ewww

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>>8024555
How do you train that kind of skill? Just turn tons of refs into bite size thumbnails over and over until things stick?
>>8024623
Pigo isnt trans

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>>8024344
The actual reason why there keeps being attempts to make /ic/ servers over and over is because the people making them are retarded faggots who don't want to mangage or even vet the people when they are made, thus you get this loop of
>[insert threads schizo and nodraws] shows up
>faggot owner allows schizos "so long as they draw" because they expect schizos and nodraw to entertain them
>schizo and the other nodraw are instead insufferable faggots who pick fight with the people who want to draw
>the people who draw leave
>server dies
>everyone complains about how theres no good art servers on /ic/
The adverage ic thread isn't some nefarious grooming sever, they're just ran by complete dumbasses server.
>new retard comes foward and repeates the same issue as the last

>>8024636
>avatarfag as a vtuber
(You) are the tranny nigger

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>>8024654
they got the cheat codes, yet they fail because they are the exact problematic people that are written about
at least this was the case with a few servers i infiltrated
>bro they're not nefarious theyre just dumb
same thing

>>8024636
>How do you train that kind of skill?
Just gotta do it a bunch of times. If you already know how to draw then it's not that hard to learn. It just takes some getting used to because you usually draw a lot smaller and faster and less detailed and dirtier. You just have to view it as a way to prototype ideas, not to create some artwork. Tho you also can try to make it look better. Some people also do literal stickfigures for thumbnails, but I prefer to still make it look somewhat interesting.

>still garbage at art
>now a total of 2% better from practice
my power grows by the day...

>>8024636
The point of thumbnailing is to work out the composition ahead of time and make sure you’re happy with the overall picture. Once you’ve drawn enough then you’ll just intuitively understand what sorts of problems arise while drawing and how it would be helpful to make notes and test ideas ahead of time.

I'm always the once giving advice, but I wish I could talk to myself and give myself advice. I get so lost sometimes.

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>>8024667
>at least this was the case with a few servers i infiltrated
>infiltrated
So you are the problem to bad servers and not the solution?
Good to know.

>>8024654
But you have to actually imagine what kind of miserable maladjusted scum would be running discord servers in hopes the "schizos" (which anyone that isn't some fake nonchalant zoomer with an IQ below 98 is considered nowadays) entertains them.

That's just humiliating for anyone that genuinely wants to do stuff but they can never do because any social place is run by failed normies that are still stuck in highschool mentality. Call it dumb or nefarious, the difference is only literary.
And you can't really have a lively discord with adults because obviously they all got their own lives to live.

8024703
>weird as fuck post
see? you want to be around these people? damn

>>8024689
if i stop and think i either get extremely angry or fall asleep, 90% of the time anyway

thinking is actually a luxury afforded to people living stable plentiful lives, not for the dregs of society like me.

maybe when I was a kid I thought more, probably not because I have awkward memories from my childhood that wouldnt have had the chance to occur had i put my measly brain to use.

>>8024479
oil painters take months and years and work on tens of canvases at the same time, along with studies

anyway music is a lot more fun than art and people can tell

>>8024552
i dont even bother making a canvas or a grid anymore, nor do i bother turning on my computer for blender

i dont want to have anything to do with digital art anymore desu

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>>8024672
>Tho you also can try to make it look better. Some people also do literal stickfigures for thumbnails, but I prefer to still make it look somewhat interesting.
Thats sort of the problem im running into, Im trying to figure out a good balance of readability while not focusing too much on the details. But I also need to make an initially interesting composition in the first place. My comfort zone tends to sit in very simple boring perspectives. which im also struggling with. I think i have a few good looking thumbnails though, im gonna explore them a bit more maybe. I find iterating on them again to be superbly beneficial however atm im being killed on time.
>>8024687
Hmm I see, im still trying to figure out what I need to include in a thumbnail and what I can omit so its a tough balance. I guess these are simply growing pains.

dumb nigger just block in rough shapes with gray and black

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>>8024709
>music is a lot more fun than art

>>8024746
I prefer red and lighter red

>>8024038
>dont even remember 99% of it
That's actually a good thing. It means you can rewatch a show 10 years from now as the (you) today won't be the (you) in the future. Furthermore people 100% will miss the 20s era when we get to the 30s I guarantee you. We have it so good right now it's barely even funny.

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>>8024746
I'm dumb and dont know how to draw :'(

>>8024757
give an instrument or singing a shot and you'll quickly figure out music is much more fun than art

we evolved with music much more than we did art by the way.

>>8024763
am i supposed to guess what bullshit reaction images you have in your folder so i can "bait" you into posting them all? or is this a one off?

>>8024765
its just a one off. Gonna go thumbnail now :3

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Any new drawings over the weekend?

>>8024770
mikuhag

>>8024746
>thumbnailing with shapes
lineGODS where we at?

>>8024781
lineGOD reporting in

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>haven't been paying attention to my art account for the last week
>81 likes out of nowhere on my last post out of nowhere

I've been taking the time out to learn 3d animation again since the last time I touched it was for my assignments before I dropped out last year and my replacement pen has arrived yet. I'm instantly reminded how lame and gay 3d animation is though. Its tolerable once you get into a flow state to not really care but there's not much initially fun when you start working. Its 2d animation without the satisfaction of drawing or the precise control or tricks that 2d gives you while also being stop motion without the fun of playing with toys or a camera and none of the satisfying physical feedback. It just feels kinda desk slave souless. I kinda which the majority of animation job prospects didn't resolve around this medium. The one saving grace of relearning is that the astolfo guy on youtube is pretty concise and straight forward much more than my college teacher in explaining stuff and that I already know how most stuff work since I'm carrying over knowledge from maya to blender so its not too frustrating

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The other day I learned that at least a couple of affluent members involved in technical and onchain analysis joined a group with the help of my art since they saw the invite link there. This certainly feels like being noticed by senpai especially when they're another bigwig that created a couple of multi million dollar companies.

>>8024654
Because you need to be a fucking dumbass to want a discord server in the first place when the community should be over here and not the other way.

>>8024764
>music is much more fun than art
Maybe if you like being a loud and obnoxious attentionwhore perhaps

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>early in the morning
>watch some streams before going to sleep because why not
>Pure kino art from koreans, russians and japs
>wake up
>american hours
>pure unfiltered dogshit

What gives? I went from watching people drawing like a master to grown ass (old and young) adults drawing like they are children, tons of furries and vtubers drawing garbage too.
Complete tone shift.

>>8024894
Who's fault is it that theres no community on /ic/? People left for discords to because this boards has next to zero moderation outside of a few jannies cleaning up a few post everyday. It's not discord's fault losers ass schizo were allowed to chase everyone worth a fuck away from 4chan. 4chan failed /ic/ not discord.

>>8024988
The ones that feed the trolls are at fault. Shitposters can't kill a community but shitposters can kill a site if there is no community.

>>8024988
This board has excessive moderation and jannies frequently randomly delete posts and threads for no reason.

>>8024988
Isn't it the other way around? Excessive moderation makes anyone leave after enough times of being banned for simply sharing content from another website for example.

>>8024687
I don't thumbnail because I'm addicted to gambling on composition. If it's shit, so be it. Let's not turn this pastime into work is my motto.

DID SOMEONE SAY GAMBA COMPOSITIONS

https://tokonatsuyasumi.com/composition-generator-6727/

i have an irrational fear that my skills will plateau after the next best piece/animation. i have no reason to think this way. i think i'm just going hard on myself

My new pen finally arrived. I wrapped the middle in tape so that it has something to absorb the shock from a fall. Hopefull this stops the circuit from breaking again

>>8025005
I don’t think it’s “work” to want to draw well, and to do things that help you draw better. Otherwise you might as well just scribble

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ALL MY IDEAS ARE BORING AND BAD IM HOPELESS IM KILLING MYSELF

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I had 3 shots of whiskey so I could get some sleep tonight. My manga is progressing very slowly and I'm still a stinky disgusting beg who can't even draw an anime face right. But at least I haven't given up. So that's a positive I guess.

>>8025091
>>8025100
Can we see it?

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>>8025109
What, my manga? Well sure. This is all I did today though.

>>8025116
Looks fine me I don't know why you're beating yourself up aside from your workrate I guess. Why don't you do looser drafts if you wanna be faster?

>>8025077
>mikutroon
>underground TG groups
kys retard and I'm glad you and all of your NVE pedophile grooming gang links are regularly deleted from this board.

>>8024926
you can just leave your house, but yeah if you are a child without a vehicle just forget it.

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im constantly yo-yoing between loving animating and hating it with a burning fucking passion
i think i might have bpd

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In case no one told you today, you're kind, beautiful, a source of inspiration, and you make the world a better place just by being you.

https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1787634104653747.mp4

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>>8025230
it's never that simple.
but regardless, thanks.

Sometimes I wonder if you either have "it" or you don't. Art doesn't necessarily have to be good in order to have appeal, it can have wonky anatomy, or be unpolished, or amateur, or whatever, but it has to elicit a response, it has to have soul, if you will The worst thing art can be is just boring or meh. And idk if that's an aspect to art that can be taught or learned or honed. Sometimes I worry I just don't have it in me desu

I can't flesh out my ideas I have no ideas I'm passionate enough about to make into reality I can't make a comic or a short narrative rpg game I don't know anything AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

Since when did you have to log in to deviant art to download brushes?

>>8025237
you are simply wrong
anyway, you can analyze and incorporate anything into the bullshit you represent on a canvas, because art is fiction, cant lift bigger weights than a guy thats taller and bigger than you thats trained as much, cant run faster or jump higher than a guy thats leaner than you and only grows muscle in the right places, cant sing better than somebody who was born with a better voice
but drawing? knitting? cooking? low iq and unwillingness to adapt are the only things stopping you

anyway this is the last time i waste 2 minutes writing something like this for a defeatist retard who will never accomplish anything because he is fine with the way things are regardless

>>8025268
since march this year. there's a download limit too. they must be struggling a lot to pay for hosting.

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>>8025133
What do you mean looser drafts? My sketches are already too lose (picrel lol). If you mean the final linework, I don't think I can get any faster right now as I'm just not used to drawing equipment like that. I'm gonna be slow for a while.

>>8025230
empty platitudes

>>8025230
15 years too late mikutranny

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Any reason why drawing generals are now being put into autosage mode?

>>8025401
They’re not? /asg/ and /draw/ just got bumped

>>8025237
The most important thing in art is that you are able to draw everyday. You have to put in countless of hours into this to get decent results.

Having good work ethic also depends on external factors a lot. If your life is unstable it's hard to have a good work ethic.

Doing clean lines is really addictive once you get in the habit of it. You can’t even bear to do chicken scratch anymore

When you become /int/, drawing becomes not worth it anymore. For example, drawing for an hour takes over an hour. Because you aren't putting pen to paper from minute 1 to minute 60. You spend more time thinking about what to draw than actually drawing it. You can just make the line good the first time so for every 30 seconds of thinking, you draw a quick 1 second stroke.

At least as a beg you were nonstop putting down lines and adding things to a drawing. Now I do the bare minimum after careful planning and it took longer than the beg drawing because I have to eliminate ideas that I know won't work. I'm going to run out of ideas eventually because sometimes I draw for an hour but nothing gets put down because its not good enough.

>>8025526
>You spend more time thinking about what to draw

That's a you problem. For someone like me I have way too much ideas to get out there.

>>8022774
How do you guys handle drawing with the intent of sharing stuff online when your not good enough to generate intrigue via style or fidelity? I like doing world building and I notice that it seems like the only world builders who can get interaction going via social media or by posting in art channels are the good illustrators. I bought an art course a while back to "git gud" (at least with rendering as that seems to catch the eye) but I still fear that I wont be able to output something that creates interest on its own.

>>8025537
you're still new. I didn't say I couldn't come up with ideas. Eventually if you keep drawing, your standards will rise.

>>8025543
You said, and I quote
>I'm going to run out of ideas eventually
And I said that simply is not in my DNA. Now you're saying
>your standards will rise
You've placed an artificial inhibitor on yourself and nobody can course correct but you.

>>8025540
I don't really care about what people think about my stuff. Most people are borderline retarded anyway.
I mainly draw for myself and sharing it on the internet is just a nice bonus. Even if you only get 5 likes, those are still 5 lives you touched with your art.

Does sai 2 have a texture or brush effect that's good at replicating half tones?

>>8025326
The layer underneath lineart seemed pretty detailed in your first post so I was referring to that but the one's you just posted are pretty loose.
>If you mean the final linework, I don't think I can get any faster right now as I'm just not used to drawing equipment like that. I'm gonna be slow for a while.
I didn't but I don't think you should beat yourself up over that either. Like you said its a matter of getting used to it

my drawing sessions have grown further and further apart. I used to draw every day....

>>8025666
Job?

Why are people super vehemently against AI music but more or less apathetic when it comes to AI art?

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My drawing sessions have grown closer and closer together. I draw every day.

>>8025713
We already had a discussion on why normalfags are more sympathetic to musicians. Scroll up
>>8025717
laid off?

>>8025726
God I wish. I’d love an excuse to take time off work but I live at home and my family would be pissed if I just quit for no good reason

>>8025726
This is a different question really, more on why they're not willing to consume AI music slop. But this board has such a limited userbase that it may very well be pointless trying to discuss something that the five people here have already "gone over".

>>8025713
Normiefags actually consume music. They don't care about art tho. They also consume the art but more as a product in a movie or whatever not as an artwork

>>8025713
Is that really true? I’ve barely even kept up with AI art lately. AI music not at all. So I don’t really have my finger on the pulse of the issue. But my impression for both art and music is that there’s a mix of people who support it and people who don’t.
To the extent that it is true I’d just refer you back to the conversation above, normies are invested in music in a way they usually aren’t with visual art. EVERYONE “likes music” but “liking paintings” or even say “liking manga” (as a piece of visual art) is considered a more niche specialist thing

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>learn to draw
>nothing to do with the skill
I envy OCfags and writefags, I'm a complete husk with no purpose I can project my autism to.

>>8025746
>>8025713
Normies don't actually even like specific music, they like the cult of personality that goes with it. They like or dislike music based on how they feel about the people who made it. They don't like AI music because they're not yet sold on the personalities that have been pitched, but once the corpos get that part right normies will eat it up just like weebs do Vocaloid.

>>8025699
will getting a job help me draw more?

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>>8022774
>Using late 2010s photoshop and tablet
>Tablet display switches to incorrect screen
>Save my project so it's safe
>try to open software to switch to correct display
>no
>run as administrator
>no
>Restart computer but cancel to soft reset it
>no
>Power off PC, power back on
>Software finally works, fix screen
>Project file is completely wiped save for the header, erasing a month of doodles and sketches I really liked
Rage. Infinite rage. I swear to god every time I forgo backing up my hard drive it rapes me in the ass. I hate that photoschmuck has no replacement that gets the brushes imported right. I really don't want to start over and abandon every brush I like. Smartest retard on the shortbus of drawing software.

>>8025773
Oh no I was asking if a job was the reason why you were drawing less. It probably depends on the person and the type of job on whether or not a job will improve your productivity

is making a style just copying anime/disney/other artists until it somehow becomes your own thing through excess iteration

>>8025991
I think it depends on what you want to do. If you just want to make something similar to those, yes. If you want to make something your own, I think you moreso should focus on understanding something's most basic form thoroughly enough that you can modify it without it becoming obtuse and dysfunctional. Style often arises as shorthand for more detailed things, even anime and disney are simplified, exaggerated imitations of our own world. I think the "somehow" is just how you learned to draw being applied to it. That's a modifier that's never really the same between two people regardless of how much practice they do.

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>>8025999
Fair take, I was typing a whole load of rigamarole but really I think I still don't understand fully what I want to do, it's getting very frustrating at this point.

i've gotten better at drawing floating heads... wagmi bros

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>getting into animation at almost 30
I feel a million miles behind

>>8026017
Ha, that's funny. I like that drawing.
>it's getting very frustrating at this point
That stinks. I'm not sure I could say much of use on that. Maybe try doing things opposite to how you normally do? So if you normally go with smoother rounder shapes try something more angular and sharp, etc. Just kind of toying around til you get it where you like it. Good luck with it.

>>8026020
>flips image
AAAAAAAAA

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>>8026044
>>8026020
Show and tell.

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>>8026020
>>8026044
kek

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Fed up with Windows. Finally made the change to linux but it only has Krita. Are there any brush that are similar to the Real-Gpen and he G-Pen? Feels good to own a computer.

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Anyone else feel like they don't really have a "style"?
Despite that, people seem to recognize my art. Yet, I've never felt like I had a defined style I can call my own.

It's so frustrating bc I see these artists online that can keep a real aesthetic going and I'm just jealous

Imagine posting your drawings online for free only to get insulted by some random 3rd world retards.

>>8026188
Let's be honest here. US and some EU countries are now browner and meaner than a lot of third world countries now, your youth legit look like fucking abominations. Maybe fix your cunt before uploading your dogshit art and expecting everyone to be nice about it.

>>8026244
Indian rage

>>8026244
im not joining your /biz/cord

>>8026244
>Maybe fix your cunt
holy projection

>>8026264
you are beyond retarded if you think that a couple of us third worlders were the problem.

>>8026031
You just take it one day at a time and commit to not wasting any more time. That’s all you can do

>>8026188
this
they're not even funny 99.9999% of the time
they're genuinely the equivalent of a smug wojak with the frilly zoomer haircut looking smugly in a mirror while jerking himself off to calm their seething rage after posting "mad cuz u suck" for the 10th quadrillion time in an hour

>>8026244
Brown hands typed this

>>8026244
And yet everyone is still flowing into the US and EU instead of India and Kazakhstan, hmm curious

>>8026244
Why everyone is hating on this post, when the first world White countries are literally letting in brownoids?

"If you import the third world, you become the third world". No one is stopping this, still.

Ceuta got invaded. At least half of its population is now an invasive alien, and the military did nothing about it, neither to Morocco.

>>8026490
>fake invasion to further morocco's political interests

>>8026490
His post is retarded because I never excluded the US from the 3rd world anyway.
It's obvious that US is partly brazil tier if not even worse.

Obviously they do the same with Europe too, but the poster just said it to deflect from 3rd world countries.

>>8026500
the US is nowhere nearly as cucked EU and JP.

>>8026501
The US is hyper cucked as they didn't execute all their slaves. They were dumb enough to even fight for them LOL

>>8026501
Americans are so used to being cucked that you already enjoy it.

>practising art
>now 3% better
Soon...

>I do something different
>post it to twitter just because for records sake
>get shown posts that are negative for the thing that I'm doing that somehow other people thought of doing too

Except my take is different, but damn are people on Twitter so utterly annoying let people enjoy doing things.

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I don't think i've ever been so elated in a long time. its all starting to come together and I'm nearing the finish line

>>8026956
Congratulations, anon. You are very smart and talented!

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https://x.com/VespenStudios/status/2092317824392089968

>retarded normie cattle are finally realizing that it's easy to cheat the timelapse process

It's obvious when someone is cheating. 90% of the smut in X is made by using AI. Everything is so fucking lame these days.

>>8027366
Remember, we always have to submit to the pressure of the cattle masses that believes airplanes run on actual magic.
The current state of everything is their fault.

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>can't nuke the /dad/ account
Can someone help? I don't want to join a dead 1 man thread freak show or discord. I didn't realize it was fucking dogshit, my bad.
>there's a qtdtoa
Site is dead, everyone migrated to /beg/ and /wtc/ no sense in asking there.

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>>8027462
gomenasai
tu reeto

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>>8027196
You cant make that judgement... I havent even posted any work... besides I owe it to someone else for helping me get here

I'm too tired to draw, this sucks so much ass. Some people can go on forever but I die at 9 pm. I'm only 27, it's not fair

>>8027604
Also 27 here and I think that's normal desu
Do you work from 9 to 5 or shifts? When I work early I try to draw immediately after work with some tea or coffee, after 7PM I'm tired and can only do easy stuff like flat coloring

>>8026956
wagmi bwo

Apperantly /dtg/ died so I guess I'll ask here. Any of you use Huion tablets here? is the inspiroy h1060p any good?

>>8027681
damn the wacom schizo must have died
it's serviceable, but if you can get a used intuos it would be better due to lower IAF and higher pen accuracy

>>8027683
Damn those are pricey I see why you say used and the cheaper ones are smaller than my current tablet while costing just as much. Honestly I just one that wont just fail on me or have reliable pens that break if you look at them wrong. I've gone through like 6 pens on my current ugee tablet and whenever I buy a replacement it always feels like a gamble on whether I get a working one or one that breaks as soon as its out the box and starts writing just from hovering over the tablet.

Maybe I should get an xpen

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>Try to give a smug smile
>Looks too western
>Add a simple dot for a mouth
>Looks closer to muh japanese animays
What sorcery is this.

>working on my comic
>try to fix a problem panel
>look at drawing
>wait a second
>is that... a gain?

it's just that easy

>>8028236
you're gmi

Coming back to /ic/ feels like returning to the starting zone in an mmo and seeing all these low level players running around. It's rather nostalgic.

>>8028323
/ic/ is like those chink cultivation stories where the people who transcend a realm can no longer exist in the same one as the mortals because the universe rejects them and pushes them to another one.

>>8028348
drawing as a whole does feel like those xianxia story

was the purpose of the thought i just forgot to improve at art?
oh, then i dont need it.

testing whether the captcha just doesnt fucking work for perceived low quality posts or something

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>proficiency improves
>creativity decays
looking through my old drawing folders I realized I really need to get back into whatever the younger me was on

>>8028504
I thought I was the only one suffering from this. My old stuff might not be as technically good as my current stuff but it was definitely more creative and experimental. I think getting better technically and being able to tell when something is wrong or right made me a lot more scared to try difficult stuff because I don't want to get it wrong subconsciously

i am not a fine artist, i have drawn a bunch of shit and applied my creativity, got some good sketches out of it and thats that, i have no desire of going back to experiment with those subjects, not a fine artist, i'd rather quit this shit as a whole

realistically i will probably end up doing only still lifes until i slowly quit that too

*checks out anons ass and thin waist*
Oh you're a fine artist alright

>>8028544
Th-thanks… *blush* :3

I wish I was a woman so I could get attention for my body.
Blows my mind that women complain about it. Yeah it’s “shallow” but at least it’s SOMETHING. They just don’t know what true invisibility feels like. True insignificance to everyone around you.

>>8028550
>They just don’t know what true invisibility feels like. True insignificance to everyone around you.
True but at the same time I imagine constantly being acknowledged probably becomes just as annoying in due time

>>8028560
Sure, especially when the attention is aggressive or threatening. No one gets to avoid having SOME sort of problem in life. But I do believe that women frequently undervalue what they have and how good they actually have it

>>8028563
>But I do believe that women frequently undervalue what they have and how good they actually have it
You're not wrong. You can kinda tell whenever they try to give advice for example. Like that girl that mentioned getting taken out for coffee by her professor on twitter

>>8028550
Hell no, man.
Every time I interact with a woman below 50, especially if I consume online content, her physical appearance ALWAYS plays a role. Sometimes more, sometimes less, but it's impossible to ignore. I can't watch a video with a girl in it and just factually absorb all the information. The appearance of the girl will always be judged.
Maybe I grew up wrong but I think this is an inherent thing for most men.
I'd hate to be a girl knowing that even if I'm doing literally nothing to look attractive men would still look at me and assess my availability.

>>8028597
MY FWARKING HEROOOOOOOOOOOO

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>decided to post art
>happily get realistically low, but positive results on every platform
>except twitter
>literally 3-4 views that aren't my own
so what some anons were saying was right. the secret sauce to getting started on twitter without a miracle repost is to build a following on other platforms and then funnel them to twitter.
I'm taking this pretty positively.

>>8028597
It's evolving...

>>8028571
>that girl that mentioned getting taken out for coffee by her professor on twitter
Got a link? I want to seethe.

I think I just realised that I come here to validate that I am not the worst in the world. Being on this website is just me receding from society to a place that I dont have to - but could if I chose to contend with others.

This is a miserable state of affairs.

I wanna draw. I wanna draw so bad. I can't enjoy anything else because I've pavloved myself into feeling like ann unemployed bum who should kill himself whenever I do anything else I enjoy but I can't draw right now. Well I guess I can do trad sketches but I wanna do a proper digital illust. My twitter was finally beginning to get a few double digits likes too
>>8028758
No it was like 2 or so days ago but if I can find it I'll post it

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i cant... paint.... maybe rendering isnt for everyone...
>>8027661
yeah :D
>>8028597
kyute! ^_^

>>8028766
this is good, and keep in mind trad was all there ever was until just a few decades ago. Doodle on any surface available with any tool at hand. I totally get how trad sometimes doesnt feel "serious" like digital because of how much easier it is to push things and fix mistakes, but that is purely a mindset problem. You can draw anything you want

>>8028765
what? you guys can contend with you guys? what the hell i could never do that

time to go get stepped on and have my useless nodraw fingers chopped off

>>8028766
what the hell? you people want to draw? i dont draw, i am just a ghost haunting this board because i have nothing better to do

>>8028769
paint? eh? do you wash off your computer after or just buy a new one?
guess i am not well off enough to paint

>>8028772
drawing whatever i want :0
is that why everyone draws girls? so dirty and shallow...

maybe i could be some sort of writer after this journey of evading filters

Found out friend uses chatgpt to generate manga dialogue. What's the point

>>8028931
lazy gonna lazy. same as ever

>>8028932
Comics are so laborious even without counting writing, so idk. But I'm so disappointed.

>>8028931
I think it’s basically a form of AI psychosis. It’s like when people (real humans) go into random reddit questions and just copy and paste ChatGPT’s response verbatim. In their heads they genuinely believe that they’re being helpful, or that they’re accomplishing something, even though they’re actually not.

i just fixed my pen
>wow so now you can d-
and its time to doomscroll youtube shorts

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>>8028917
you silly goose!
>>8028970
I thought people write manga because they have a story to tell. Doesn't generating the dialouge take away from that?
>>8029028
its over...

>>8026956
based zeki

>>8029121
Certainly in my view generating the dialogue takes away from it, yes. But I guess they’re retarded and don’t see it that way

>>8028931
Some people just want to draw (manga) and they're not writers

>>8029165
Its always kinda been this way but the social media era and celebrity culture in the 2000s attracted a lot more people to the arts who are in it just for money or fame that the passion to drive or create so to them the art is just a means to an end which is why they're so ok with AI art or writing. They want to have the rep of a famous manga artist without the work of being one
>>8029167
If the western comics industry wasn't a ouroboros there'd be a place for people like that. Even so you don't really have to write to make manga there plenty that just draw and make stuff up as they draw. Wasn't Toriyama famous for that?

>>8028180
How is dot a smug smile?

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perspective keeps confusing me no matter how much i look at diagrams and try drawing boxes. it feels so over

>>8029447
Have you tried going about it based on vibes?

Have people stopped watermarking or is it just me, whose X timeline is mostly sketches

>>8029647
Because it's mostly retarded zoomers/grifters the one that do it. The ones that do it for the clout but for some abhorrent reason want to larp as an artist, artists rarely sign or watermark theyre stuff unless it's like a serialized comic, work related o algo.

With there was a way to single-out the only 2 dozen right-wing artists in the world to band together and make an anti-ai art community.
Of course i'm posting this on 4chan, and someone on here is bound to get upset at me even thinking of this. I just think as things are it's too unbalanced. and I get along with them more then I do with woke people. There was never enough RW artists, and with AI that's only getting worse.

>>8029768
Wish* fuuuuuuuuuuck

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I'M CRINGE
AND THAT'S BASED
I'LL NEVER BE BASED, AND THAT'S NOT CRINGE

>>8029768
i was right wing but ai made me left wing

>>8029647
just you
>>8029746
stop larping, retard. like 50% of japanese artists watermark their work now. it's way more often than it used to be

>>8022774
Sometime I feel already the skill gap when I see an artist making tens of drawings in a single sheet of paper

>>8030130
At least you didn't wake up to find your car literally just gone one day.

>>8030132
lol what the fuck

>>8030042
That's funny how that works. When I was young, I wouldn't dream of cluttering an existing drawing. Now my desk is covered in bills, crosswords, and envelopes with sketches and calculations all over them. Which is not to say I'm skilled.

Starting to realize the biggest detriment to my productivity is only eating twice a day and not having a super heavy breakfast or at least lunch

>>8030140
I sometimes wonder how much more effort I would have been willing to put into elementary and high school if I had proper breakfasts instead of frozen pancakes and poptarts.
I mean.. probably not much since I just a kid and wasn't driven, but the power of a proper breakfast can't be understated

>>8030143
>>8030140
> You share this site with malnourished zoomnogs

grim. makes sense, what's next mom took too much tylenol ?

>>8026276
we're literally in the endgame right now.

>>8030155
This anon is right. THEY are raping me tomorrow

>>8030143
I used to always skip breakfast because I was always late and my grandmother would get on my case about it so I stopped eating so that I could be on time and it kinda just stuck with me for the rest of my life whenever I have to leave the house

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a good strong front of imposter syndrome is rattling at my window panes today.

>>8029447
you're overthinking it. if you want to improve at perspective, you need to:

>draw your immediate surroundings from various angles
>do life drawings of simple forms (glassware, rifles, books, model cars, etc) from various angles

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzg8-njCIm8

>>8028931
Your friend is smart. You will be left behind, however.

>>8030264
SAAARRR

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>Saar posting on /ic/
Didn't expect to see that here of all places. What have you drawn this weekend /wct/?

i want to have made "transgressive" art but my transgressive thoughts take the form of stupid political opinions that annoy everyone instead of weird sex stuff that would get positive attention from cool people, ~25% of whom will be cancelled to death by 2027 for their weird sex stuff.

all my art feels empty, emotionless and meaningless, like it's made for the sake of existing rather than to say anything or serve any aesthetic function. i flip between thinking it's because i don't want to say the only things i could say, or because real art is made by perverts and i'm just not that kind of freak, or because i am just a hack fraud. (afterall i said i want to "have made" transgressive art: if i wanted to make it i would be making it.)

Do people ever start out as a complete nobody anymore? Everywhere I look it's a new account with 2 media posts and a hundred followers already.

>>8030301
People buy bots. Twitter is filled with them. Why do you think they were indiscriminately banning accounts some months ago?

>>8030301
You can grow big as a nobody. I did.

>>8030304
What is considered "big" anyway, I've seen tiers where if you have less than 10k followers you were considered small.

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>>8030304
You're somebody to me....

>>8030304
Ok but how long ago was that?

Also where do gifs fall into now that photos and videos are separated on X? Anybody know?

>>8030301
literally me >>8028657
I'll tell you how that goes in a month

>>8028657
What other platforms anon

>>8030324
bluesky and pixiv

Someone went through my gallery and liked them all :)

>>8030358
He removed the likes for some reason :(

>>8030358
>>8030387
That was me haha, just wanted to fuck with you

>>8030333
It feels wrong posting on bluesky and twitter is humiliating at times. Pixiv is comfy, maybe because it's a proper gallery site.

>>8030358
i just did this yesterday, and have done it pretty often to the wonderful artists in my favorite fandom when i just can’t get enough of their amazing work, but every time, the next day when i go back to look again at some of my favorites i was still thinking about, i find the site had bulk removed all of my likes after i’d closed my session. so it def wasn’t them, if you like too many things in one session some sites like x literally just reset all of them when you aren’t looking. so they’re still all there in you and the person’s feels, it’s just the site messing with you. i regularly re-like a bunch of pieces i come back to over and over and they’re never still liked the next day, lol. lost count of how many times i’ve done this. so yep, someone deeply loves your work and will probably recall it happily sometimes. the site will never effect that.

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>>8022774
This isn't the thread for it and it isn't done yet anyway. But I've been sitting on some damning screenshots regarding a growing profile couple of artists grooming a minor. These are artists that had previously gone to /ic/ as well. Where's the thread for me to put it?
The plan is I drop the information there and leave. No discussions as my post will have all of the information I'd have to begin with.

>>8030554
retard

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>>8030554
Make a social media profile and tell their peers so they try to distance themselves or just drop the name and what has happened. No screenshots since you'll get instabanned.
If you have actual damning evidence you need not lie or prove anything here.
You can also contact the police in this case.

if you posed as a minor with the intent to lure them, you might be in trouble too, unless that artist initiated sexual advances fully knowing it was a minor they were interacting with.
You can also send emails to art drama channels.
But first and foremost, contact the police before the groomer can wipe all xhis accounts and traces.

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>learning 3D shit but it's still boring
>need to learn programming but I don't want to
>want to work on a comic but also want to do animations and also...
>end up just drawing more shipslop and illustrations
I wish we weren't slaves to money, that I could get more time in a day to learn all these things
drawing couples and shipping has become my stress relief at this point really but factually it's not improving where I am...

>>8028657
That's also been partly my experience. Decent responses on Pixiv, zero on Twitter (Unless I draw specific couples)
>>8030358
I once absent-mindedly did that to someone and got blocked

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>>8030576
I was lurking in the server and observed the owner (15) being groomed by a man and posting erotic imagery and memes about grooming minors. Including an image of said minor going "there are minors in vc, come". Only thing I regret is not recording their voice calls because they would do all of this publically. There is no illegal material, just very clear cases of adults showing a minor erotic material and being incredibly inappropriate.
Thank you for actual advice as I've never been in this position. I ended up leaving it on my computer for what may have been two years before recalling it again... While I did talk in the server, I by no means was involved in any of the aforementioned behavior. None of them are aware I have this information and showed no signs of stopping upon the handful of times people had displayed open discomfort. All I have are their art accounts.
Would I be able to send all of this in as an anonymous tip to the police? I'd rather not involve myself much further than providing these screenshots of their Discord art server.

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>>8030589
And yes, it's horrid of me to have forgotten I had these screenshots. But life was unkind to me and it unfortunately was pushed aside. I'll eternally feel guilt over this inaction.

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>>8030589
>just very clear cases of adults showing a minor erotic material and being incredibly inappropriate.
that can already be classified as a crime.
Make a screencapture too as to show that the screenshots are not actually manipulated, click on their profiles and such, to show the footage and the evidence is as legit as possible.
>Would I be able to send all of this in as an anonymous tip to the police?
Depends on your country and if they have a cybercrime department or something wich you can give tips about crimes.
Make sure that if you file a police report, to explain the situation, your involvement (i.e. i am just a guy on the server for arts and such and witnessed this). Attach the files, don't give out any personal information unless it is required by law for the purpose of investigation, which normally they should not ask and any serious police department will take the information at face value and act.

if anything happens, do not give any interviews, do not give out any of your information and ask the police to not reveal your involvement because you'll make enemies out of every single pedogroomer and they will send swat teams to your house every day

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>>8030602
It seems the unfortunate part is I am no longer in that server. I do not have videos. Unfortunately, I could swear up and down that they are legitimate images, but I am now unsure if what I have will be any good at all.

I may still send them in, and sending them to drama channels may be useful in this case I have now that I am lacking video evidence... I know one person that MIGHT still be in the server that I haven't spoken to in years... There's a CHANCE I MIGHT be able to get her cooperation but I don't have high hopes... And it poses a small risk if instead them finding out who I am as well. Not that I was close to them, but yeah, I don't want my career touched by that shit in any capacity.
I'll put some careful consideration into this.

I am in the USA. Just an idiot that seems to have forgotten to screenshot the most important information to solidify my screenshots. Fuck me man.

>>8030607
If you're in the U.S.A. then the FBI internet page is where you need to go to. You can also contact child services (NCMEC's CyberTipline)
Better to contact both fbi and childserv, leave a throwaway email if they have anything that asks you for contact information, don't do anything before they contacted you or you can ask them if there is any development after a couple weeks.
If couple months go by without anything, contact the feds again and ask them about the status. If they say don't do shit because it could fuck up investigation, don't do anything.
If they say the case isn't being followed, go public with the information and wait for people who have information about those people to release them, which will inevitably happen.

Don't contact or involve anyone else.

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>>8030620
Thank you

>decide to paint daily
>on second consecutive day I lose all skills
what the fuck is this

>>8030638
may I see it?

>friend talks to me every day about their drawing goals and problems
>asks for help and tips often
>they just draw one sketch every 3 days and that's it

>>8030649
is it a good sketch?

>>8030638
The days I started to do more digital painting practice is when I developed spinal problems. Stopped since.

>>8030660
no

>>8030587
I've been trying to do some 3d animation and learn blender recently but man the process is so fucking boring. The end product is great at times but it definitely requires a certain type of brain to enjoy

>>8030638
tends to happen when all you do is copy reference

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How to get less stressed when drawing? Whenever I have to draw something hard my head start feeling heavy and I feel drained and tired in half an hour.

>>8030841
You're supposed to experience the opposite and forget about stress from getting into a mindflow.

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>tfw your art made it to an album cover
I just found out right now.

>make twitter
>no impressions
>no impressions
>use popular hashtag, no impressions
>no impressions
>despair
>apply for wagie job, get the job
>finally something to distract myself from the misery

I didn't make it.

>>8030841
this is me minus the pikachu. things are grim

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WHEN ARE THE FUCKING INKTOBER PROMPTS RELEASING
FUCKING WHEN IT'S THE 1ST ALREADY
WHEN

>>8030956
It is the 31st where it matters

>>8030959
nta but EST and everything to the right is already in 01. your post can only be pacificfag cope

>>8030968
Nice try but I simply don't use goylight savings

>>8030956
it's barely september bitch

Do you ever stumble upon old posts you wrote months or years ago and think “jeez I sound like an obnoxious faggot”?

>>8031129
impossible, i wouldnt remember them because i am low iq

so i guess iq is going to be the meme of the week huh

>>8031143
if /begs/ could see how stupid the average big studio concept artist is they'd have a fit

>>8031145
That's something I've noticed about a lot of good artists in general (good in the sense of, being technically skilled at drawing). They're mostly not that sharp. Very "head empty, only draw" mentality. Not trying to throw any shade at them, that's just how it is, they put all their mental stat points into one bucket.

>is this buzzword going to be the new (you) farming meta to just spam insults and epic troll?
i mean, you all samefag anyway because no one replies to your shitty provocations so it is pretty pointless to tell you to just go back to /v/

but one hi iq question needs to be posed? /v/ is bait and trolling central; how come you get ignored on there that you need to come on a dead board to reply to yourselves?

>>8030948
Post it

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>make the mistake of looking at ai on pixiv
>these fuckers getting hundreds of likes and bookmarks
>they even sell their slop using pixiv's own booth
JUST.

>>8031238
majority of it is all fake, bots or their own profiles
when its not that its just porn addicts and scraping bots bookmarking every single picture in certain tags, whether its for ai training of the gooner to check out later is not relevant.

You know what could be fun to try? make the most low effort nsfw drawing and use certain tags and see the numbers go up.