If you are a /beg/inner in art, please use this thread to post pieces for critique or ask for advice.DO NOT REPLY to crabs, nodraws, over-analyzing schizos, retards that whine about how hard drawing is or talent debates and instead focus on posted works!>Post Your Work>STICKY:New collaborative: https://hackmd.io/UMnZVhNITW-T2wZpHw6d0QHardcore: https://hackmd.io/7k0XRnIQR6SValR77TDfZw?viewHardcore (working link): https://hackmd.io/@ArtStudies/rJxNW6aonHardcore (wayback archive):https://hackmd.io/@0uRfwdEoRDiHFz9wibb5sA/ry8nyys6-lCompleted(short):https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jUeG8UTwDAK8WGC4f79IlBGIAGVipfHvo48RF5Xgxyc (sus discord server don't join)Completed: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Vm4IJpq0Mbvb-Krl5_mJ_m6TsC_qjsaN/vieww/ic/i: https://sites.google.com/site/ourwici/>WHERE to get study materials>>>/ic/artbook>>>/ic/video>Want to practice figures?quickposes.comcharacterdesigns.comlovelifedrawing.composemy.artline-of-action.com>best art teachersGlenn VilppuMichael HamptonSteve HustonBrent EvistonMarco BucciAndrew LoomisGeorge BridgmanHikaru HayashiHide Sensei>best art booksKeys To DrawingDrawing With the Right Side of the BrainHow To Draw Comics the Marvel WayThe Art and Science of DrawingFramed PerspectiveFigure Drawing For All It's WorthThe Complete Guide to Drawing From LifePrevious thread: >>8030006
good bake
>>8034967So rushed and tired anon even collaged over the /beg/. Bit messy.But I shouldn't complain.>tfw didn't make it in despite creating some of my best work ;_;
>>8034961omg op, how the heck does the last guys on the last thread get to the thread image and not me?. meh, back to drawing.
>>8034961ok this is epi
Daily hopefuel: most people do not progressively get better at things until they die. Most pros and advanced artists, outside of exceptional ones like KJG, Frank Frazetta, Takehiko Inoue, etc., will typically stagnate at about 10-15 years of experience (ESPECIALLY social media and NSFW ones).When people see the uppermost echelon of any skill, they see those people started young. But they also assume that it means everybody who started young is hovering around god-tier skill levels, just out of sight. This far from the truth. if you start learning how to draw at 25 and keep at it, you and 90% of people that started learning how to draw at 15 will be on the same level at 35/40.
>>8035015Hey that's nice, I like the angular style.
>>8034961who are these assholes trying to control the posts?fuck these guys make your own threads
>>8035015nice
Its chewsday innit?
>>8034999Yes. I look at my path with chill and patience. I know I'll get as good as the high /int/s I admire. I'm at it for almost 2 years and I am at the very least approaching high /beg/. I got worse than I was at my peak, but I did develop a certain style. It's a long way, still. But in the grand scheme of things ~2 years is nothing and neither is 2 more years. If it takes 6 years to get to /int/, I'll be able to bask in the success for many years to come. 10 more years and I am /adv/. I'll die a master. A life well lived.
>>8035040What was this character meant to be, anon?
>>8035056In traditional art every choice is a gamble.
I am ready to take a figure drawing courserecommend me a good one
figure drawing course:1 watch one video by Marc or whatever, 2 figure draw for 6 month
>>8035084pyw
>>8035085
>>8035015The foreshortening on the legs isn’t quite there but overall not bad
from yesterday
>>8035089i have some issues with this image but i aspire to be as free with forms as you are. those mecha feel very fresh and unique
>the top is full of inkslop and renderslop again
>>8035089its nice and readable but the framing and canvas proportions are questionable
>>8035114the drawing was made in drawpile and then colorized
>>8035084>>8035089whatever you guys say
>>8035056This will happen 100 times but after that you'll figure it out and be glad you did it
Tried to paint again. I tried following that anon's advice of keeping shapes in mind but I'm not really sure it worked just yet, maybe I broke everything down too much and used too many strokes.
>>8035134nicetonedown back maybe
>>8035134how the hell did you do that lightning stuff
>>8035139Random lightning brush I got in CSP in a few different tones, blurred some of it and then airbrushed some places.
>>8034999I think that a lot of artists who started young don't have a learning relationship with drawing. They got good before they understood how then settled into a comfort zone and their growth stagnates.If you start late and art is a thing that you primarily study, you can easily surpass some early starters when you get to their level.
Just random
>>8035167nice
NIGGER WHERE IS MY (You)?
>>8035177pyw
>>8034961Interesting that I somehow managed to get 2 of my shitty works in the op image. Dunno if I should take it as a compliment or being perma/beg/Did this today. Don't like the hands but that one kind anon from the other thread was right on the more saturated tones.
>>8034961The orange crocodile creature chilling on the meadow with the anime girls as the dark figure looms above them is my favorite part of this collage.
What controversial I could say for you to pyw me?
>>8035181>>8035164
>>8035164funny hand
>>8035134>Not even a year in and already shading realistically TalentGOD descends to mog the thread.>>8035139Talent.
biomech
>>8035225i wish i could teach you but it just comes naturally
>>8035244thats not realistic, what are you smoking?
>>8035264I could say something very dismissive and critical about other people's work. That usually works, but then it will seem like I really mean it, even though I don't.
>>8035274ill say if for you:that muscular girl looks hideous. no appeal whatsoever. shading is muddy too. looks like the art of someone whos been grinding fundies bot nothing else in the toolbox. i wouldnt have said this without his annoying buttboy hyping him up, but thats where were at.
>>8035252incredibly beautiful
>>8035279Kek, I didn't mean anyone specific I kind of like it by the way, but as I said, it's what usually works, so pyw. But a personal attack is not what I'm looking for. Something about construction, maybe.>>8035280I like it less than his more usual style, also 45-degree feet are annoying
>>8035279Just forget about that guy and teach me how to shade nigga
Hi /ic/, I shaded this character yesterday and thought it turned out well, does it look alright to you?
>>8035327to me it looks great
>>8035327I need to elaborate a bit. There is barely any shading and everything is sloppy, but what is here is nice, the girl is pretty and the colors are pretty.
>>8035279>>8035134Mind you he hasnt even been a full year at it and already has more solid fundamentals than several anons who have been here for almost half a decade.He didnt know how to shade even 2 months ago and now he is very close to low int.He has more potential than everyone else here combined and at this pace will outdo russianfag in another year.
Tried Vilppu book.
>>8035327another banger. I save everything you post. It's so good.
Time to give shading another shot. >>8034865Thanks so much again for the help anon. I ended up going with untucked but I always appreciate the advice and relines. >>8035164I'd reline the ascian mask and try to blur/glow it a bit more. The hand could use some work but the mask is more distracting imo.
>>8035339as said, his art is very unappealing to me. come back to impress me when hes learned appeal
>>8035345what was previous work?
>>8035339plus, im not even sure hes mastered any fundies. that head is grossly too small for the body (unless intentional, which if true=ugly appeal)
What can be improved
>>8035332Well, fair enough desu. I should have said coloring instead of shading but I had an ESL moment. >>8035328ty anyway.>>8035345TYY ANON :DD
>>8035353lil bro got big dreams
>>8035366like it more nowarm kind of boring but the rest is cool not a fan of the hook thing still
>>8035358It was intentional but I hadn't realized how far I had gone with it until now. Definitely way too small. I do know about counting heads for height but I'm just too lazy for that.
>>8035134I think it looks cool and fags are trying to crab you hard.
>>8035376Thanks man. It sucks to say but I think that other guy's strategy of making everyone dislike me is working. But it is what it is.
>>8035378Haters gonna hate. Just keep drawing man, it is good stuff.>>8035353Cute snek
>>8035378Only one guy got triggered by it, but he's triggered by everything, so don't sweat it.
>>8035370glad you like the coloring. and yeah i dont draw medieval weapons a lot it probably shows.i imagine the mech is some kind of aquatic hunter/ fisher type so thats where the hook might be useful.
>>8035378>I am constantly bragging about how good I am barely some few months in, how easy it is for me and that I already am taking expensive comms.>How could anyone dislike a humblebrag like myself?I swear you are doing this on purpose. Same fucking words even as Nihu.>>8035393pyw you filthy nigger crab.
>>8035383nah its several people
What's the proper technique to do smooth looking shading / coloring digitally, especially on skin?Intuitively I make one layer do one pass with the main color, then do another pass for the highlights, then the shadows. Then use the smudge tool to soften.What irritates me is it's all destructive. I'm using krita for what it's worth but I also have a CSP
>>8035383It is at least 3 different anons.
Time to learn value
>>8035167nice>>8035164>>8035177(you)>>8035353i am erect
>>8035397it just way of things. ignoring is lest bad option. >>8035400who are 3 different anons? schizo chaser posted his usual drivel and depprsion-kun start seething.nigger-nigger is the separate critique
trying to figure out if my prices are fair, if they need adjustingpartially what I think it's worth vs partially what i've been paid for the pieces shown
I rushed this one because the goal was to try a way of rendering the body that I sawProbably going to make the darks a bit darkerAnything else?
>Soda break
>>8035427It's too monochrome, maybe more colors and contrast. The form wasn't felt, and the direction is ambiguous. And erase the outsides, it's important
>>8035356might've missed a couple. I don't view every thread. I hope anon is alright with me reposting his work
>>8035441this is great, thanks.
>>8035443I feel like the red feet are maybe too much.
>>8035444i agree, i removed them
>>8035353Like this? You looking forward to patch tomorrow?>>8035409This isin't me:>>8035177
>>8035447forgive me
>>8035415How much time is spent end-to-end: requirements gathering, planning/drafting, rework, and final delivery?How much do you make per hour?If people want a commission, it’s for multiple reasons:They are antiAI.They don’t know how to prompt, or don’t want to waste time doing it.They know what they want, but don’t have the knowledge or skills to make it visually appealing.They need rights over the final product.etcAs time progresses, I think talking to the client and figuring out exactly what they want is going to become the most valuable part. You’re going to be the person who can easily understand the client’s desires while also having the knowledge to translate those desires into something appealing and fresh.This isn’t really a matter of AI, the medium, or whatever tool is being used. It’s about the fundamentals: composition, gesture, and value.
>>8035396I have only ever done one single commission and it was for a friend lol
>>8035432Thanks.How do I make the form more felt?The rest I can handle and I was already planning on fixing.
>>8035452Same. Breaking into commisonons seems downright impossible with how saturated the market is, how the cards are against you since your most likely not east asian, and yeah...obviously AI.
>>8035453>How do I make the form more felt?You can't, it wasn't felt by you, but ignore this for now and proceed with the plan
Can I feel your forms bro
So, I have two questions.1: How do you guys come up with intricate mechanical designs for your mechs, vehicles and robots? I know that over-detailing is not the answer, and coming up with designs for joints and gizmos is very time consuming and takes a fair bit of trial and error for me. Have you guys seen any videos or read anything on the topic that helped?2: Completely unrelated, but is there a market for designing characters for people? I'm not talking about working for a company or anything, obviously, it's just that designing is one of the things I like doing the most so I wonder if anyone out there does commissions for character designing or something like it.
>>8035164>I see you for what you are. You are /beg/, and only in /beg/ shall you serve any purpose.
is bouncing between wips a bad habit? sometimes i wanna draw without the any baggage
>>8035471Ok?
Any tips for getting over burnout?
>>8035427blog?
>>8035484Take a break
>>8035484You're a woman. Stop being emotional.
>>8035447MUCH better nj. Sadly I try not to play mmos anymore as they tend to occupy too much of my time, but I'll probably be hopping back in for evercold next year.
>>8035414you retard people are rightfully upset about brazilianfags buttboy spamming up every thread about how hes some sort of prodigy and everybody else is a permaprebeg. did you even read the thread? i swear youre an absolute schizo, everything you post is totally detached from reality in some form or another
>>8035492People might be upset by his spam, but he's been spamming forever, but you are the one who is seething
>>8035492cognitive shattered, mentally touchable
>>8035497>>8035495>>8035492It makes you seethe because it is true. If someone claimed that hatkidfag was super talented and way better than everyone and mogging then nobody would imgive a shit but because the new brazilianfag is mogging everyone and is super talented then everyone loses their minds. It makes you uneasy because the huemonkey mogs you and has far more potential than anyone else here.
>>8035510i dont give a shit about anybody elses potential or progress, i only care about myself. everybody thats not me can go and fuck themselves, no matter if better or worse than me. its only about this bot shitting up the thread every day
>>8035510Brazil’s drawings are ugly as sin
>>8035515>its only about this bot you are responding to him
>>8034961Life drawings in my notes app cuz I didn’t have my sketchbook lol
>>8035520
>>8035522>>8035520hatkid energy
Gave this one 2h more. Pretty happy with it! First thing I finished in a long time.
I have a friend who wants to get into comic book drawing. He's been drawing most of his life (he's 35) and is recently unemployed and wants to get better and I just think his approach to art and improving is all wrong. He seems to think getting better at art is like grinding exp - right now he's challenging himself to draw every pokemon, so one pokemon a day, that he constantly sends me. I tell him to try shading, try drawing something in addition to the pokemon (like a flame, leaf, blades of grass, clouds, etc. anything that would require him to attempt from scratch and not have a frame of reference), and he just says he will get there.When he talks about drawing, he seems to think that he is a good artist and that he just needs to practice - he talks about the work that he will be doing in a couple of years but I just don't see it. I'm not really an artist myself, but sometimes you either have it or you don't, and he really doesn't. He's been getting back into this for about 2 years now, and I don't just see much progress, at least not beyond like a child's level who just started. I also think that he needs to focus on digital mediums if he wants to seriously get paid for this or have any sort of career with it. How can I convince him to get better without being an asshole? He needs to either be in school or taking classes if he wants to take it seriously in my opinion.
>>8035525looks great, my only hangup is the lantern, it doesnt feel very fleshed out or like a sound concept
>>8035527Thanks! Originally I just wanted an in-frame reason to have the orange light from below. He just found it and it’s the same color as his head-coral-things.
how do i draw this thing's arms?
Nobody panics when things go 'according to plan.' Even if the plan is mogging! If, tomorrow, I tell the thread that, like, a permabeg will mog them, or a threadload of nodraws mog them, nobody panics, because it's all 'part of the plan'. But when I say that one little talented huemonkey will mog them, well then everyone loses their minds!
>>8035533i want to put my dick in your mouth
I'm trying to study a drawing and my paint storkes don't blend the same way as they do in the ref. digital sucks
>>8035542toggle your sketch layer off nigger
>>8035488>You’re a woman.I wish…
>>8035543what difference does it make I'm taking about the render it covers the sketch. why do you call me nigger
>>8035542I imagine I could scribble something and it would be much harder for you to exactly replicate than for me to scribble it, so maybe it's normal.
>>8035549Y’know it’s not bad but the face just does not look like Mai at all
there was some really nice art in the last thread good job /beg/
>>8035551that's true but I'm not trying to copy the scribblestrokes exactly the issue is with blending. I also wonder what the order of painting is. to me it looks like the highlighs are painted first and then the shadows. hmmm but what about the shade on her neck... is it a brush that changes hue with pressure or did he paint each layer going from the lightest value to the darkest, or maybe layer modes are involved>>8035555on the ref? yeah it looked kinda off to me too so I moved some things around instead of copying the head exactly, now it's a generic anime face
>>8035543What the fuck does that accomplish you retard?>>8035542Master studies are always hard and you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who copies it exactly. You want it to be majority accurate, not a 100% perfect copy. Your study is fine.
>>8035560fellas I'm not trying to do a 1:1 photocopy I have a very specific question about the colors blending I even cropped out stuff as an example. the tip of her cleavage is drawn a particular way too not sure how it's done
>>8035562I'm gonna be honest, this isn't something you want to ask in a /beg/ thread. I couldn't approach a fraction of a quality of your own drawing, let alone your master study.
>>8035562>the tip of her cleavageSo what are the arrows for?try to make a new layer (Normal or Dodge) and try going over the boobs with a soft brush using a something like skin tone
>>8035532welp
>>8035542i dont understand what you pointing at, but opacity control by pressure is something i didnt saw pros use... but i find myself using it when i need a hard yet semitransparent hard-edge, and also when i need to layer some soft strokes to build volume...
>>8035571>but opacity control by pressure is something i didnt saw pros usewhat
Thoughts?
>>8035526>friend>35>unemployed>wants to get into drawing comics>drawing pokemon everydayYou need better friends.Also, he's well into adulthood. Let him do whatever he feels like. There's like 1100 Pokemon. He'll either get bored and branch out to draw other things, or give up on his midlife crisis/fantasy.
>>8035575the outfit is cool but the rest is not
>>8035567the cleavage bit is something I decided to ask spontaneously. the arrows point to areas where my blending doesn't match that of the ref, which is my original issue. see how my strokes overlap? I'm using a pressure opacity brush, which I assume the guy who drew the ref also used, because I see areas where there are soft changes in value>try to make a new layer (Normal or Dodge) and try going over the boobs with a soft brush using a something like skin toneyeah that sort of worked, I also clipped the above layer to lineart to stay within the lines and picked a reddish color instead of the skin tone
>>8035582I'm 75% sure lines are multiplied
>>8035595it literally looks better than usual
>>8035597plus darkish-warm color
>>8035592not fan of blue but the drawing is nice
>>8035542thats really damn good nice jobI think the ref used a brush with no opacity to do that. First the lighter grey then go with then slightly darker grey over it again.You can see the variation caused by the opacity on yours
>>8035610The blue lineart?
>>8035611this, this anon did explain my point
>>8035464>1: How do you guys come up with intricate mechanical designs for your mechs, vehicles and robots? I know that over-detailing is not the answer, and coming up with designs for joints and gizmos is very time consuming and takes a fair bit of trial and error for me. Have you guys seen any videos or read anything on the topic that helped?Great question. I’d suggest omitting intricate designs and instead learning from life. There are two questions I keep asking myself when looking at machinery/solutions, both in art and in work:How does this work?What problem are they trying to solve?The first keeps me grounded and gives me a blueprint, the second gives me room to be creative.Learning how things work also helps the creative process by exposing me to ideas from different industries and disciplines. I keep cards of interesting things I learn every day, and when I’m trying to create something, I go through them.For example, I have this card from years ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMQbHMgK2rwIt helped me understand how that little car works. But from other racing experience, I know that grip, heat, and airflow are the problems that drive the design. So I keep the idea: What if an F1 car had a vacuum? Is it realistic? Does it make sense? Barely enough. Does it look cool? Yes.So, in short, I’d focus on widening your knowledge across different fields agriculture, factories, embroidery, etc. There’s plenty of media covering this now: Discovery Channel, YouTube, podcasts, etc.One I particularly like is No Such Thing as a Fish. A lot of ideas I’ve come up with came from things I learned there. For example, I learned that ostrich feathers are still used as dust collectors, so why not a roomba with feathers or feathers as part of the design?>2hard, game development is the only thing I can think of.
>>8035464 would like to answer, but I can't design. What I do is primarily governed by mechanics/anatomy in the form of / decorated by semi-unconscious bits I assume I acquired through exposure. So probable answer is to look at interesting stuff, or to speed up the process, copy the interesting things you see.This is not a new picture
spent an embarassing amount of time trying to get the face right and its still badIt just comes down to the fact that I can't do torso twists, she should be smoothly turning around for the face to be somewhere in 3/4 but idk i just fucked it so much
>8035645initial sketch for reference before i realized how hard i FUCKED it upI wanted to keep the legs and tried to make her face the pov somehow, just retardation
I am a beg and I will not feel shame about it
>>8035648piss off to /fag/ asap
going to start drawing again today :pfeels weird that im 35 but its gonna be fun probably i guess just enjoy myself and copy stuff i like and observe stuff i like in detail idk
>>8035464like the other guy said, beyond some basic logic bits, like functioning joints and somewhat believable weight distribution, mecha design is more aesthetics than functionality. if you look at mechas from the goats like makoto kobayashi or kow yokoyama a lot of these would be extremely immobile irl or have other gnawing issues, yet are still considered top-notch designs by customer consumption. just copy from other mech artists and add functionality where you understand it. adding more realistic functionality wont harm you, but its not necessarily needed. most mecha are ultimately bits of fantasy for one reason or another.
>>8035624I think being more curious might be the key for me then, judging by what you're saying. I'm realizing I really know just about nothing in terms of mechanical principles as I draw these robots and mechanical bits lately. I'll check out that No Such Thing as a Fish you mentioned. Huge thanks.>>8035639Yeah I kinda realize now that I haven't really sat down and copied anything mechanical. I'll try to find some time to do that. Thanks.
>>8035659you have too many cables and axles in the joint area imo, in your last mech as well as here too. joints work because theres no shit restricting it. whatever flows should end before and continue after the joint. your joint areas look like 90 degree locked angles because of it.
>>8035659You fucking humblebragging nigger just wanted to show off. You didnt need advice in first place because you clearly arent listening to shit. Fucking bastard bitch.
Torsos in the void. I lack so much mileage. I really need to draw WAAAY more. But the studies on anatomy did help a little bit.
>>8035664im still suspecting he and the guy glazing him might actually be the same person, so advice might indeed be wasted in that case. as for humblebragging, im not sure its that impressive.
>>8035666Forgot the file.
>>8035414this is the guy brazilglazer should be shilling if he wasnt just trolling. hes indeed mogging all of this thread on a regular basis, if not with every post. (then again, should he be in /beg/?)
>>8035664lolol>>8035477i like
>>8035669I don't fit his pet narrative. I do get more conventional chasers.
>>8035414wait hold on why are you uploading a drawing from like 3 years ago whats going on here
>>8035682It's my drawing
>>8035685yeah but, this was a concept from 3 years ago that a bunch of people tried to redrawits just odd to see it in 2026 out of nowhere
>>8035687I use my drawings in responses as a tripcode. It looked funny
>>8035669can you post a work from him? i want to compare myself...
I CANT FUCKING DRAW
Still can't construct from imagination. Fucked up on the head early, shouldve just restarted it instead of putting makeup on a pig. Gave up halfway through and just gave it a haphazard shading.>>8035647The sketch is more erotic
meh
Anyone has any tips for this.
kinda hate this, how can could I improve it?ignore the background I was just testing
NONONO AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
I WANT TO STOP BEING PERMABEG.
>>8035734Chainsaw Man sucks but your art is cute
>>8035648you should feel shame about being a gay furry tho
>>8035743thanks
>>8035745This is a striking close-up shot of a golden eagle perched on a falconer's gloved fist, feeding on prey.The eagle has its wings mantled (spread and drooped down on either side), a defensive posture birds of prey often adopt while eating to shield their food from other predators or scavengers. Its beak is open, likely mid-call or mid-bite, showing the hooked tip and the pinkish interior of its mouth. The plumage shows the classic golden eagle coloring — dark brown body feathers with golden-tawny highlights around the head, nape, and wing edges, which is where the species gets its name.The bird's talons grip a thick leather falconry glove, and there's a scrap of prey (looks like a small bird or piece of meat) visible between its feet. A jess (the leather strap used in falconry to tether the bird) is visible on one leg. The person's arm and part of a hoodie sleeve are visible at the bottom edge of the frame.The background is a soft, blurred neutral brown/tan, which keeps all the visual focus on the eagle's intense expression and detailed feathers — the shallow depth of field is a classic technique for wildlife/falconry portraiture.This kind of image is typical of falconry demonstrations, raptor rehabilitation programs, or wildlife photography sessions where trained birds of prey are shown up close.
>>8035754>>8035755Giga
WHY THE FUCK DOES EVERYONE IMPROVE BUT ME. WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH ME
Playing video games and watching anime to cope with burnout. Hopefully I can feel excited about making something tomorrow…
>>8035723>The sketch is more eroticit was, and my FRIEND showed me with a redline that the first pose wasnt even uncorrect so i just botched my drawing for no reason. The manic me who was drawing the original with dick in hand was actually more in tune with reality.It is what it is.
i wannalearn how to observe
>>8035353All done. Spent way too long getting lost in making sure details were set, but I'm somewhat happy w/ the result.>>8035409>>8035382Thanks dudes!
>>8035755your next move is increasing corectness and saving on time by making the sketch more messy and using the lineart to actually fix it
Big Sketch Piece
How's this color scheme?Should I change anything before I try my hand at rendering
Pose practice>>8035766I really like this one>>8035767Homestuck
>>8035414Holy shit, is this a peril's re-draw of a re-draw? LOL
hair rendering practice cause idk how to render hair
For the first time in my life and only for like 20 seconds, I began feeling the form. It was euphoric, better than sex. Looking back at the figs, I can't even tell why I got that sensation; they look as shit as they were last week. Maybe its a mindset thing?Anyways, drawing proportionally is still my weakness. Is there a way to solve that besides doing more figures? I set little landmarks on the canvas but I always end up missing them.>>8035782Try doing it in grayscale first>>8035760Shouldve trusted your other head I guess. Slightly unrelated question, but do you have any tips for drawing more erotic figures? Everything you draw is laden with sensuality, like they were built for getting fucked (even your bbw shit). Mine always turn out so sexless, even copies of porn scenes.
>>8035373come now, fix the anvil. if he hit that the hilt would get fucked up
>>8035401yay Justin!!
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>8035730too much symbol drawing, you need to work on the underlying structure of the figure. face is more or less a frontal view, torso starts frontal then goes 3/4 then goes side view, then the legs are straight up in a side view and looks more like it's attached to the dress rather than the hipsif you're trying to show the character rotating, note that the shoulders can't twist so much as to be perpendicular to the hips like that. for example, if you keep that direction for the upper torso the legs should be at maximum on a 45° angle to the shouldersthe arms are too short too. they're supposed to reach around the middle point of the upper leg when relaxed
>>8035825>too much symbol drawingNot everyone can be talented to break out of symbol drawing.
>>8035826i believe in anon
I don't!
>>8035828Being able to start drawing in 3d and stop symbol drawing is just a matter of spatial awareness which cant be trained. If you dont make it out of symbol drawing within a month or less then you are permafucked.
>>8035727Not to discourage you, as I think you're making progress, but I think you specifically should do more "finished" studies or copies.I think the main problem you seem to always have is unintentionally making the proportions too short or long or your neck to head area slightly misplaced. These sort of things will sort themselves out if you take the time to hone your accuracy more instead of trying to go for pure volume like you usually do.
>>8035751short legs probably
>>8035549I sort of figured it out, brushes have a 'blend' setting and when I fiddle with it the strokes blend more smoothly. why the colors are where they are still looks random to me and 'edge control' is impossible, maybe the understanding will come to me spontaneously as I continue to monkeycopy
working on my lineart
>>8035766gmi energy
>>8035825>too much symbol drawingYou don't know what you are talking about, stop giving advice.
>>8035904they use symbol drawing as substitute to flat, it sounds better or something
>>8035904how is that not the textbook definition of symbol drawing you dishonest fuckgo on and tell anon it's a flawless 10/10 drawing then
>>8035922The textbook definition of symbol drawing is not copying correctly.
It is substituting an object, or details of an object you are supposed to copy, with a preexisting mental model. Because an anime girl is not a side-by-side replica, but rather a realization of intent using preexisting mental models, calling it symbol drawing is redundant.
Dodson's argument is that because a mental model could never have the richness and detail of the real thing, it's inherently inferior to a copy. But being simplified, a.k.a. stylized, is the point of an anime girl, so Dodson could suck a dick.
>>8035924>>8035929that is such a reductive and unpractical definitionwhether or not you're copying from somewhere, the goal is the same: drawing things with volume
>>8035935You said "The textbook definition" this is The textbook definition. You using it as substitute to flat is not The textbook definition
>>8035790Well um thank youI think it stems from the fact that you're stuck on the 2d copying jew. You should spot forms in the reference and portray them confidently rather than trying to retrace arbitrary lines. The forms should turn into each other like pic rel. It's more important that the volumes relate to other volumes on the drawing rather than they look exactly like the ones on the reference which no one will ever see.Also chicken scratched outlines just won't look sexy imo>even copies of porn scenes.copies of "porn scenes" or copies of porn you actually like?>Is there a way to solve that besides doing more figures? Just ignore it and liquid transform later lmoa>>8035924short and to the point>>8035935then say that you dipshit not "symbol drawing" >>8035877me no bueno >>8035771>changing asa to daisyperil was WRONG for this!
>>8035526Tell him that comic art is almost universally utter shit and nobody likes it except little children that get it shoved down their throats.Show him a pic of comic art and a pic of anime art, ask him which looks better. If he says comic, tell him he's a retard with no taste. If he says anime, tell him to learn anime art instead.Tell him to have some humility. He can't improve unless he recognizes his flaws.
>>8035645>>8035647Nice oneshota.
Dunno, too flat. Gotta practice anatomy. Should I change something in the compositon? Maybe more focus to the character.
>>8035645>>8035647her legs look short
>>8035729draw the floor as well to understand perspectivealso her left hand is too large
>>8036002devolving
>>8036012no..
>>8035763Your underdrawing and linework are really nice but I don't think your value structure and rendering are up to the same same standard. Compositionally you set yourself up really well for a bright overhead light above the main characters but you didn't stick to that with your value structure.You should see the value structure as a compositional tool as well as a tool to show lighting logic.I assume your focal points are supposed to be the two characters faces and the ring but they have the same brightness and contrast as everything else so they don't draw the attention that they should. In my opinion, with this lighting setup everything else should be at least 1 or 2 shades darker than your focal points so that you are really drawing attention where you want it to be. As for the shading, it looks like you are using an airbrush to shade and you aren't paying attention to the forms and how that affects the value and sharpness of the shadows. You should be using shadows to describe the form. Cast shadows and shadows from abrupt form changes should have sharper edges, deep shadows with no reflected light should be much darker, light should fall of significantly as the planes start to face away from the light.
>>8035427Here's the final version for closure. She might look a bit too young so catbox.https://files.catbox.moe/ksxi70.png>>8035485LukeObiiv on Twitter
>>8035394really enjoy the forms going on in the torso, and legs
>>8036074It's fine, except I'm not a fan of the proportions, like the limbs are too thin.
boobies & water
>>8036086noce water
>>8035729I like it, has some appeal and potential. I agree with the other anon, I would focus on perspective, it is somewhat lacking in 3dimensionality
>>8034961Bout halfway done with my DaVinci tribute page
>>8036056Thank you so much for the analysis. You're correct that my original idea was to do a harsh castlight from above, but I ended up not liking how it looked so I sort of nuked the colors and desaturated everything but the 2 characters to (badly) cheat the look. I lack a lot of values knowledge, it's probably my biggest weakness right now, so it's something I really gotta fix. I need to start forcing myself to use nothing but hard brushes for shading to get better understandings of shadow forms.
>>8036083Extremely fair. I naturally end up always making my girls too thick, so I forced myself to make this one thinner than I usually do.
>>8036091another anime girl
is this decent? i rarely do trad coloring and i wanna know how it compares to my digital stuff
>>8036096it cool
I've been so focused on construction the past few weeks that I completely forgot my roots. Appeal is king.>>8035942Thank you for the thoughtful advice. I'll try to curb my instinct to perfectly copy the reference. >copies of "porn scenes" or copies of porn you actually like?I'm going to go back and study my favorite doujins again (did one panel then quit)>>8036005cutiepie
>paint miniatures for muh warhams>keep seeing cool freehand>waow I want to do that too>but I don't know how to draw/paint>look up tutorials>"draw 50000000 boxes for 20 years then you can start learning how to paint"this shit sucksI just wanted my dudes to look cool
>>8036096Reminds me of Akira Toriyama
>Soda break under a tree
>>8036086bery nice
Cool, my birb made it. Here's another.
>>8036130line and it's consequences have been a disaster for painterkind
>>8035816this
Changed some things + more linework. Besides the hatching which is temporary should I change anything else?
I was paid 25 euros to make these
>>8036198looks good
Horse leg bownes
>>8036198man everyone wants their wannabe anime characters to be drawn
>>8036130what if you got a small projector to just put the designs on the minis first, there's no way that out of the eleven of you Warhammer fans who actually own minis instead of pretending they even read the books on Twitter you're the only one who can't paint.
tried not drawing porn for once
>>8035947honestly i didnt check before now i thought chris was an adult lel
>>8036209Obviously you failed, I can very easily jack off to this.
>>8036209Very cute!
storyboard sketch. feedback on the image arrangement etc is welcome
Guys, I am confused. Am I supposed to try and replicate the rough drawings in the tutorial books such as Vilppu or are they just for illustrative purposes and I'm supposed to draw only from real life references?
all these stupid fucking questions make sense when you understand that the howies think improvement happens gradually They think it's like fat loss where you have to weigh yourself to notice it on a regular basis
>>8036232Copying tutorials is good
>>8036209I want to see your porn
>>8036227SOUL SOUL SOUL SOUL SOUL SOUL SOVL HOLY SHIT
>>8036227I like it but it’s a bit hard to read in some places, specifically the first panel and the middle panel on the last row
>>8036232Draw everything
>>8036237>>8036241I'm doing Vilppu. Rate this trash.
>>8036252Stop drawing on lined paper.>RateYou're not copying the examples to see how close you can replicate what you see. You're copying the examples to get a grasp of the concepts being discussed in the course.
>>8036227second part (end of sequence)>>8036239>>8036240thanks for the feedback
>>8036256>Stop drawing on lined paper.Is there a reason for it? I don't have any other paper. I'm poor. I'm actually doing palimpsest on old notebooks to be able to draw.>You're copying the examples to get a grasp of the concepts being discussed in the course.And would you say I'm grasping the concepts?
>>8036258both parts in one for convenience
>>8036252Like the other anon said, stop drawing on lined paper.These are pretty good. You have a good grasp of 3d forms but a poor grasp of line confidence and mark making. Do some line drawing warmups and remember to always draw from the shoulder. Get better at making marks and drawing forms without having to repeat them. Also draw from life
>>8036259The reason is that it doesn’t look good and that you can’t see what you’re drawing as clearly. I guarantee you can go into the nearest Pharmacy, UPS, or store and ask for some paper and someone will gladly give you some free of charge. It’s literally everywhere.
>>8036264>>8036265Got it, thank you.
figure drawing teachers are the greatest scam artists of our agetrying to teach people gesture and figure drawing before they even have the basics of observation downinfinite money from selling courses
>>8036267literally the only thing hack figure drawing teachers teach is observation
>>8036091>I need to start forcing myself to use nothing but hard brushes for shading to get better understandings of shadow formsI think that would be a helpful exercise for you.If you don't already you could try rendering in grayscale first and adding color later, that way you can focus on just the values and composition without worrying about the complexity that color adds.
>>8036272poorly
>>8036275it can be explained with literally one image if you need anything more you're self-reporting
>>8036277I'd love to see you try showing a single image to a beginner and expect them to be able to copy shape, proportion and value correctly. It takes months of practice to accurately observe and copy complex subjects like figures and faces.
>>8036284easy
>>8036286Yeah now show this to a beginner and ask them to accurately copy a portrait.100 times out of 100 it doesn't end well.
>>8036207won't work the surfaces are very irregular and not flatmost miniatures painters cannot paint a traditional painting let alone one the size of a fly's asshole, no
>>8036292just because they know the trick doesnt mean they will be able to do it, like card shuffling. That doesn't mean that there's anything more to teach, this image literally includes all the information the rest is up to you
best care so farhow do i paint ts though
>>8035763ultiomate sexeand np <3
Hey this is my first comment on 4chan, what’s with all the weird ads? Also here is art I guess. Made his head out of simple stuff like paper and used a vintage bozo’s body and the suit I got at some store.
>>8036309Welcome to 4chan, fren.
>>8036309>those handssend thigh pic
>>8036267Just do Marc Brunet's course
>>8036309If you stay in the abyss for too long, you might never leave.
>>8035889Gmi energy?
I was watching one of recorded Murata's livestream, and it was the first time I saw him do many fixes in drawing. The thing is, it was in the ink phase. It has many passes of ink, then some type of liquid paper, then ink again, in the same location. I imagine what type of liquid paper it might be... And I am also impressed by how much the paper can suck and still look clean.
ok tried doing an ft-17. built up the body first, then added the tracks (plan on adding more detail. but this is it for tonight)why does it look off though?
>>8036375Left tread looks like it's further out than the rightBut really, it looks off because it's not finished yet
Absolutely obsessed with this anatomy book
>>8036382wait, so is it off? should i shift it a bit? or does it just look off due to lack of details?
A colossal waste of time. I always start drawing with a vague concept and it always turns out into the same one pose cookiecutter bullshit.
Recommended anatomy books?
Ok... It turns out that accounting for the perspective does improve the body drawing in 3/4 angle positions... BUT DON'T GET TOO COCKY. This time, the fundies did help, but that doesn't mean effort studying fundies improves drawing, and it is not about talent. This is ONE TIME thing, baka.
>>8036441Any general anatomy book- one you’d find at a library Any Paul richer bookBridgman is good but the stylization can be distractingMorpho
>>8036441Anatomy for sculptorsStonehouse anatomy notes
thought i could try tracing a 3d bg for this but the way i screwed up the proportions really bother mewell not bad enough to post ig>>8036197why is she flayed?>>8036198trans man? whats with his hips>>8036182elite feet
>>8036284>it can be explained with literally one image>I'd love to see you try showing a single image>It takes months of practice can be explained with literally one image but It takes months of practicewhy it confusing to you
Didn’t draw again today… I played silent hill f instead. If I don’t draw again tomorrow you guys can pick a punismnt for me
>>8036459>Any general anatomy book- one you’d find at a libraryLike medical ones?
>>8036495No, Anatomy for Plumbers
>>8035561Put way more effort into this than I originally intended to
>>8036510It seems too broken and the arms are maybe a bit short, but nice colors.
>>8036511Do you mean like the pose seems broken?
>>8035924>The textbook definition of symbol drawing is not copying correctlyi can get you, but you dont really have a point.a very good copyist can be ignorant of all visual, perspective ideas and just be a good copiest drawing symbols.
>>8036523Yea, structurally. Maybe it makes sense structurally, but my impression is that it seems broken.
>>8036534I see, thank you for the draw over
>>8036540I haven't changed anything, I believe. I was just trying to make sense of it, and it kind of does.
just some bich
>>8036546cute
>>8036545At least the car got fanart
>>8036495Yes. I’m studying from an anatomy book for massage therapists lmao. Any anatomy diagrams are good to draw
I want to be talented at art so I can improve. I am tired of seeing others git gud in less than a year and they get pixiv attention and comms and patreonbucks while I remain one of the dreaded permabegs who remain shit year after year.What is wrong with me? How come I cant improve like the rest?I am lost. I come to this board and see anons who blissfully unaware say how they are struggling and feeling stuck when they are well into /int/ not even a couple years in.I am worthless. I want to ask for help but I am afraid nothing will be able to help me.
>>8036569im not a fan of your van gogh swirls, but when this drawing is just a thumbnail, its fucking beautiful.then i expand it and i hate it.worth thinking about.
>>8036574true. you could just sit there feeling bad.
>>8036577I’m honestly just overworking a lot of these anatomy studies to get a feel for what is and isn’t enough for when I actually get into projects, painting, etc. I’m very much in an experimenting phase
>>8036578But I want to draw and feel good about it. I want to improve but I am not getting results. I am bad.
>>8036581>I want to draw and feel good about itIt's skill-agnostic.
>>8036581well, i suppose you could just keep posting about how bad you are.have you been a naughty girl?is that what you want?
For those who have done figure drawing, what do you start with as a timer? The site I checked out defaults to 30s, which is way too fast for me to do anything more than a stick figure. Even at 60s, I generally cannot finish in time if I'm just trying to do a rough outline of the figure. I'm not entirely certain what the point of these exercises are, I just have this vague notion that I'm supposed to do them to learn how to draw people to help with proportionality, and I should start by finding a line of action. So I don't know if I give myself too much time if I'm defeating the point of the exercise, or if I should be slowing down to start off and let the speed come with time, or just grind through until I can do it quickly or what.I guess I'm just looking for more context on what this exercise is supposed to do so I can figure (heh) out where I should slot it into my learning process, and how to go about doing it.
Time limited figure drawing is some kind of goofy ass way to force a beg to think about what's happening and to problem solve but the creators of the exercise intended it for bright academia students not the margin of society lost causes of internet art spaces
>>8036619lol its "i refuse to you" bro
>>8036601its an eye for proportion, curves, shapes, light and shadows, general shaping techniques (a fast head, fast legs, space basics, geometry basics).line of action??? lol throw that shit away. go from part to part fast, readjust the whole fast. its a 30 second sketch, my guy.
>>8035877finished this one, very simple but it's nice being paid >>8035942what do you feel could be different?
>>8036619I think time limits are good but you still have to apply them to the right types of exercises, and check the accuracy of your work afterwards. If you put a time limit on random scribbling then you still won't improve, even though you're scribbling faster now. If you're not continuously improving and drawing increasingly more accurate drawings within the time limit then something's wrong and you need to reevaluate how you're practicing
>>8036425Kek at the baby.>it always turns out into the same one pose cookiecutter bullshit.Guess you need gesture and perspective. Gesture gives you different dynamic poses and expressions, while perspective stops the gesture from looking flat
can i pls get more critiques/thoughts on this? >>8036375 it looks really off to me, but idk exactly what/how
>>8036441There are many, but I think the best ones are>Anatomy for Sculptors by Uldis Zarinshttps://annas-archive.gd/md5/d674505cb9043b5da837461471118d6d>Character no Kakikata Master Guide by 肖玮春https://e-hentai.org/g/4117255/e0bc73fd31/>Human Anatomy for Artists by 肖玮春https://annas-archive.gd/md5/0656a40a3e91621ff5b8629f45ba156
>>8036776I think the body of the tank is not aligned with the treads.
>>8036776>>8036783Show your reference picture.
>>8036776Your lines just suck>>8036796Had a nightmare similar to this
daily mecha
>>8036198client also complained about the hips
>>8036809hips are fake and gaycharge more and do better
>>8036786didnt use a reference picture. like, decided the angling & stuff myselfbut used this https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/renault-ft-light-tank-100th-anniversary-3dscan-ca332e476b654d63a5413834bbc2c4bd>>8036797yea, i know not my cleanest line work
>>8036806wait mecha person! you look like you have strong grasp of perspective/hard surfaces. tips on this >>8036375
>>8036727im a bbw lover myself so you must be doing something wrong if this doesn't appeal 2 me. There isn't any obvious anatomical errors (which is rare in this field). The pose isn't working for me. With bbws you either go for clearly encumbered or reality defying poses but this isn't really doing either + fat person body language is a real thing even ignoring physics. Hate to use this words since crabs always rape me with it but it is stiff. The pose implies some kind of forward motion but the clothes aren't swaying in the wind and neither is his hair. Both his hands and face are relaxed when a lot of the gesture is actually in the hands and face, so that's another thing working against it. Also the pose just suffers from lack of readability because of the tucked away leg. The pec window doesn't curve on his body correctly (making features wrap around the fat folds is basically the whole game). The palette is not very good, has no temperature identity and the background is just a miss. His moobs are a weird blend between breasts and pecs. his left bicep is just... whats going on there. His right hand looks like yours was trembling while lineart it. Anyway what's with this strange pixel brush you picked? It just screams bitmap or ms dos the way you handled it. The moobs should probably have some cast shadow instead of just ending abruptly. No cast shadow on the face either. His skirt is a really weird blend of skin tight and stiff. Idk just nitpicked everything I could think of probably in the end comes down to lack of character in the pose and pretty unstylish lineart. I dont think any of this matters in the end though since you got paid and you probly dont gaf about fatties anyway.
>>8036809Looks better. Maybe emphasize more how the obliques lie on the iliac crest instead of doing these very smooth sides.
>>8036828alr, i can do that. most obvious correction is to copy the front curve on its (!) right side tracks onto the left side tracks. the curvature on the track ends is difficult to get right, but if the curve is the same on both sides it usually looks fine enough. right now it looks wobbly because theyre not the same. other than that maybe it seems a bit elongated and the tracks a little long, but it may also be that im not familiar enough with the ft-17 and its ok. i wouldnt redo that part as the image is too progressed and just go on with details after correcting above error.
>>8036833oh that makes sense, tnx!also for ft-17's the tracks are just a bit forward of the chassis and close to the end of it. but i may have elongated it all a bit too much, oops
Nobody wants to teach me how to stop being permabeg...
>>8036838people here call everything beg
Could be because everyone is beg
Currently learning to do value studies. I like to make a posterized version of the reference as well as a high contrast version. Is there any way that to proceed from this posterized stage to studying the original that makes sense? (meaning values and exluding shapes/proportions as that is separate from the question) Or is this as far as I reasonably push this version of the study, method wise, and I then begin a separate study of the original?Working in Rebelle
>>8036859tldrAdd lashes and move the mouth corner downwards
This is a mess. Onto the next mess I suppose.
>>8036867looks dramatic and you cut off useless trees.For light to be light, it should be significantly lighter than not light(not light should be darker then light).
>>8036796https://files.catbox.moe/c7z1mx.webm also a speedpaint
>>8036815>>8036809>>8036832its not that deep guys
>>8036877fuck off get paid
>>8036908legs look kind of flimsy
>>8034961the head grind continues i'm still not sure about the proportionsalso is there any app that offers the ability to move 2D points to adjust head proportion? it would really help me to visualize the head types
At least the person who requested it liked it.Bought some art books to hopefully improve.
>>8036916i agree, not too happy with the legs. maybe extending them helped a little.
>>8036586he is a naaaaughty boy!
>>8036935This is really cute
one from yesterday
>>8036574keep coping. comparison is the thief of joy or w/e. only compare yourself to your past you. have you improved? what do you still struggle with? answer those questions, draw stuff somewhat out of your comfort zone, and you'll improve naturally. imagine if you put the effort you spend lamenting into actually drawing something. even if it looks shit, you can feel accomplished in knowing you've progressed your skills, even only a small amount. you don't need patreonbux or attention on your art to feel that.also, people just progress at different rates. don't beat yourself up about it, some people will naturally improve faster than you will. but if you put the work in, you'll always end up where you want to be. might just take longer.go and draw, stop coping. you aren't worthless, you're just learning.
>>8036956this looks cool asf man, great job. love musashi. one tip i'd give is to be mindful of your line weight; the viewer should be focusing on his face and sword, but because of the thick lines of his clothes near his waist, the eyes are drawn to his waist/crotch instead.keep up the good work vro
>>8036831I actually care a fair deal. It’s one of my favorite pieces of subject matter, so this feedback is especially valuable!I’m kind of weak at posing, drapery and lineart so that’s part of why I was excited for this opportunity - to experiment with weak points while being compensated.Admittedly a little shocked about the lighting and colors, I thought I executed reasonably well. Either way, I’ll continue practicing. Thank you again for the feedback, it means a lot!Also the OC is female, tried to roughly match the proportions and shaping of the ref.
damn...this is a wake-up call. its time to love thyself and thy work.
>>8037002yeah genric anime girl number trillion, this will sell!
>>8036859based portrait studierto answer your questions:> I like to make a posterized version of the reference as well as a high contrast versionI think this is a decent way to learn how to abstract value groups, eventually you will want to try without posterization so that it doesn't become a crutch.>Is there any way that to proceed from this posterized stage to studying the original that makes senseYes you just have to understand what posterization is abstracting out (subtle value and plane changes), observe and add them back in.>Or is this as far as I reasonably push this version of the study, method wise, and I then begin a separate study of the originalIt is a common process used by many painters to start with just 3-4 values and then gradually expand them as the painting proceeds, which is essentially what you are practicing by starting with posterization. I think it is a pretty flexible process that allows for adjustment when you spot mistakes. The main challenge is finding a balance between trusting your original value block ins and constantly adjusting shapes and values as you see mistakes.
>>8036569Nice. The hatching is messy and I'm not quite sure where the light source is but it's better than I could do
>>8036267>>8036601I rest my case
>>8037012Yes?
>>8036838People said you stopped drawing to jerk off to onlyfans bitches lol
I've regressed. I cant ever do what I want to do, how I want to do it. Theres a rhythm to the figure, a melody I can only grasp of before it vanishes into the ether. I think its the shapes. I can see them in my head (I can do atleast that much) but I can't ever put it on paper. Am I even drawing the shapes? Or what the shapes look like? Or am I just copying whats on the surface. It always comes back to copying>>8036774Its hopeless, I cant even draw boxes
>6 years in and im still a begtardw-we're all gonna make it...
its time to draw some hinged boxes, anon-kun
>>8037101This sound legit actually, will try it
using people's lego creations to grind out form and perspective (mainly).
>>8037027Thanks a lot for your feedback. I think I've decided to not make studies straight from the posterized version since it fucks with my head a little, but will keep it as a separate reference and sort of a sanity check. I'll attempt in earnest again and apply your feedback tomorrow!
>>8037002Damn I want to fuck the artist cutie in that pic more than her magical girl OC(All versions of her )
Every time I watch Vilppu, I feel like I'm learning something new. Some things that I didn't pay attention to, some reminders about the meaning of elements he uses, understanding what he means once I apply the knowledge and slowly organise the information in my head. And I'm only on the 2nd video + chapter from the book about spherical forms.I think I would be improving at light speed from this course if I was drawing consistently instead of in week-long bursts every 3 months. It's great.
>>8037084The one on the bottom, on the right, and on top left came out pretty well.Something I've realized as I try getting into gestures is that you must exaggerate so it doesn't look stiff.>Or am I just copying whats on the surface. It always comes back to copyingIf beauty is objective to any degree, then drawing beauty will always be about copying. Thus copying in itself is not bad or wrong. Keep trying.
>>8037187There are videos? I thought there were only books. Where can I find the videos?
tried doing a landscape type drawing ish thingfeels crappy lole
>>8037101before dinner, will do more later
>>8037232one on the right looks like this
>>8037215Yes. You're supposed to watch the videos and read the corresponding chapter, then practice until you're confident in moving on to the next ones. I pulled the course from the /ic/ megatorrent >>8019808 has the magnet link in the OP. You don't have to download the whole 900 GB torrent, just mark specific files to download. It's under Courses -> Figure -> Glenn Vilppu Drawing Manual. The course may also be in the Telegram channel from the same thread as well but I never used it.
>>8037104good idea and very good practice result right there
>>8037239Got it, thanks!
Guys, huge thing I just learned, might be useful for you all. Turns out, perspective affects EVERYTHING. Yep. Even houses or people. It is hard to believe, but it is not just boxes in the void that are affected by the damn vanishing points. Crazy world we live in.
>>8037267yep, you can always create a bounding box for everything, which will make it more obvious
Cutting off the side of a sphere in perspective is fucking impossible, feels like it would be easier to just yolo it and guess how the head looks without using construction
>>8037267>perspective affects EVERYTHINGI don't see it that way
>>8037002>waaah waaah i have a white collar job where i sit on my ass all day and make twice minimum wage and then i can go back home fully rested and do whatever I wantholy fucking FAGGOT KILL THIS NIGGER WHO MADE THIS
>>8037297Well, you’re wrong
just vibing while watching a movie. plan to add more details/perspective work tomorrow
>>8037312which movie
>>8036936thanskies hihihihi
>>8037321wind that shakes the barley
>>8037310FUCK ENGLAND
>>8036960not how line weight works btw
>>8037172ugly way to portray fluids
>>8037104If you start rotating them then you become a god. You're already half way there.
>>8036873>>8036796I like how you bother with the extra effort to put music in the time-lapse but it doesn't even last long enough to for the video. Just like you're art, amazingly unfinished.
>>8037104what a gorgeous rendering anon, great job>>8037101fun to doodle>>8037244Always check the thumbnail, anon. The eyes are way too dark, and there’s an unappealing shadow shape on the side of her right nostril. Other than that, I love the forehead.>I really know just about nothing in terms of mechanical principles Just keep it to the rough idea of how and why; don't go too deep, or it starts poisoning your creativity. For example, I don't know much about air muscles, so I just searched why air muscles are used. I found out they're good where there's electromagnetic interference, and that's just enough for me. It would be cool to have a powerful railgun calibrated by air muscles, It sounds cool.>>8037084You don't see it, but you are making great progress. Your symbols have changed. Maybe focus on elbows and wrists.
>>8035659>>I really know just about nothing in terms of mechanical principles>Just keep it to the rough idea of how and why; don't go too deep, or it starts poisoning your creativity. For example, I don't know much about air muscles, so I just searched why air muscles are used. I found out they're good where there's electromagnetic interference, and that's just enough for me. It would be cool to have a powerful railgun calibrated by air muscles, It sounds cool.
>>8037101
Happy cirno day
>>8037364yeah I could've looked up a ref or somethingmaybe next time
just wondering, cause i do plan on doing a lot of it the hard way. but looking at a lot of it online, how much of hardsurface/vehicle perspective work is done by tracing 3d models? im seeing a lot of people doing that online instead of trying to learn the perspective intuitively.like saw someone online say that most people in industry would never do scott roberston how to draw type drawings purely by hand, and often do 3d renders they trace. is that true?
>>8037400In the industry- of course, it's consistent production on schedule, not fucking around. Does it mean you should skip it if this is your goal? I don't think so
>>8037400From the pros I've watched, they said they learned how to do it they hard way but don't actually use it for final pieces in the real world. Quick sketches just use your intuitive perspective skills. Short-medium pieces, just using a perspective grid is enough. Longer/final paces, mocking up a base 3d scene is much faster. Especially since there are deadlines and you need to be able to do quick revisions. Plus, it often has to fit into the 3D pipeline for other artists to work on. So they recommend learning it so you have the skills to be able to do properly by hand, but you are mostly just relying on your intuitive perspective skills most of the time. So you don't have to grind out 100s of hours of homework like they had to but mapping everything out properly once or twice is worth it for the learning experience and so you have the skills to troubleshoot if anything goes wrong.
>>8037421ligma
>>8037368Thank you
>>8037472relatable
5 years in I feel like I am not really progressing anymore although I don't feel like I really got anywhere to begin with. Is it over for me?
How the fuck do people think of poses to draw their characters in? Is it really all just copying from each other?
>>8037567do you have a goal other than softcore porn girls?
was looking for ideas of things to practice with and saw this drawingand it got me thinking, if not copying directly from a reference, how do people generally handle odd shapes like the blades. like theyre flat, their own plane rotates and curves. it seems like it would be kinda difficult if you want to do it properly accurate, especially when you have to create multiple (like with fans) of said objects at different angles & stuff
>>8037592this ni>and saw this drawingoh
just the daily
>>8037491SAVED. You're the best artist in this thread. Not even close.
>>8037592well the guy who made this references all his paintings soI guess draw the blades as flat rectangles, then cut out the blade shape, then curve them
heyy!! maybe a thread reference challenge?>>8037595yea, had to make sure ppl knew i wasnt the one that drew it, lol>>8037606that makes sense, also just found the reference
>>8037384Face is too big. If you're going for an anime artstyle, I'd bring down the eyes and make the features more compact.Cute Cirno though
>>8037567When you sketch, do you draw out the full bald head, or do you just sort of draw the face mask and then begin adding hair to cover up the rest?If I had to make a wild guess and diagnose the reason for your stall, it would be procrastination. I see you hiding the hands and skipping the scalp. You've jumped ahead a few chapters, and I think the coloring and the background look good, but it's time to do the main quests you've been avoiding.Tackling the things you are the worst at is the fastest way to improve. As going from bad to decent at something yields more progress with less effort than going from great to fantastic at something. Yes, you will feel retarded for a while drawing mutant heads, hands and feet or whatever, but that just means you're making good progress.
>>8037596added disposable fuel tanks it was too boring still
>>8037641>scalpOk this is missing knowledge to me, I'm not sure how to actually represent the scalp other than it being a plane on the head. I just sketched an example, I drew the head underneath but I'm not sure beyond this what you mean.
>>8037579Yeah, I want to draw hardcore, maybe incorporate animation too.
>>8037657
Been watching Saito's channel and its absolutely disgusting how many Japs send him their /pro/ tier art with a message like "uguu Saito-sama I am still /beg/ please help me".
>>8037743i feel like im not doing myself a favor with coloring in a piece everyday. should probably go back to just drawing lineart for several hours a day. feels like im stagnating a bit with the coloring stuff.
>>8037748I'm surprised he still lets them considering they're the reason his Youtube was shut down the first time.
Art for my game.
it is nonsense all way down
can someone show me how to draw the forearms please?
>>8037567Anatomy and symbols are good enough for now. I think if you spent a month solely studying drapery, you would improve a lot. You have a hard time defining volume when it comes to fabric, and the gains from studying this will carry over to your figures and objects. The tail, wings, and hair in this have the same problem.Study art you like. If you don't know where to start, the girls at clamp are incredibly good at drawing clothes.>>8037592The easy solution is to use ref. Now you have 3D models readily available. If you're doing it from imagination, you'll need knowledge of how things work. In this case, the blades need to fit inside a cylinder, and you should think of them as negative screws because they need to displace fluid. Volume moves volume. Once you fit the blades into a cylinder, you'll have a better sense of the shape they're going to have.just use refs>>8037753based! if you can, apply a wave shader to the 2d art to make it look more lively.
>>8037659I don't mean anything beyond that really, that sketch looks good.Maybe it's not a problem with the scalp, maybe its just something about the hair that's making me feel like the head is kinda missing depth. Mainly for the angel character, but both to some extent. Something about where the bangs originate, the hair line, and where the hair parts. Gif of what I sort of imagine, but I'm not super confident either.
>>8037743final spam
recent sketch what should I work on improving?
>>8037754
>>8037788happy cirno day
Well, it's not great, but I drew!
Is there any resources for drawing backgrounds...? All i see is just figure drawing and all that, which is nice... but all i see is interest for drawing big breasted anime women, where do I learn how to draw backgrounds so I can add big breasted anime women to said backgrounds ?
>>8037816what is a background?
>>8037817stuff like landscapes and all that
>>8037818no recourses on drawing lanscapes?
What brushes are good for shading? I hate shading. I hate airbrush even more.
>>8037827Surreal
>>8037827Looking good, but you could make it a bit more visually clear that the back is cut out of the swimsuit, probably by following the line of her ass a bit better once it reaches her back. Backs curve in pretty far, so don't be afraid to have a little line/curve there to denote the back's end. As it is right now, it reads a bit like her waist is all in the swimsuit and comically snatched.
>>8037831how does this look?thanks anon
i should stop going to jap twitter it mogs me to the point of hopelessness
>>8037835Much better! I'd maybe make the butt a bit bigger, the back definitely reads better, but it doesn't "line up" visually with the line of the butt as it is. If the butt is bigger/the line is pushes out a bit further, the implication that they meet behind her arm holds up way better.
>>8037849ty anon I see what you mean
>>8037767Why is my willy jumping?
>>8037857ty so much anon
Struggling finding motivation to finish stuff
>>8037886nice
>>8037860i liek it i just thought the face could use a bit of work
>>8037891Yeah, it's probably not "correct" in some areas. I personally love the expression I got for the face. Your is nice but is a bit too soft and small compared to what I like.
>Try drawing from elbow/shoulderlines are way too fucking wild and crazy to control, even anchoring hand on table with forearm floating When am I actually supposed to use this? I mean, you can see from the text and the loomisface it's nearly impossible for me to meaningfully control it. Is there actually no other way to do confident lines?
>>8037899Oops, pretend the next three lines were a greentext, too
>>8037886>oooooh its so good mogging the whole thread just 8 months of drawing can i suck your cock omg rest of the thread is permabegtrash fr
I realized the reason there are so many good anime artists is that they just copy and trace 3D models instead of grinding years to draw the body in all its angles and variations. Kind of a relief to know I am not actually that shit after all.
>>8037902buckbroken
>>8037904broken is only that greebling trash of a firearm he „drew“
>>8037902>years will go by and this retard will still winge about "8 months" like a fucking parrotActually mindbroken
>no breech mechanism>the stock has a muzzle and muzzle openingskeeeek, peak firearm design. this guy has the iq of a toddler, stick to drawing your quarantine topic, ugly ass muscular women
dude fuck art and fuck artists
>>8037924nice
>>8037923So, the average Bethesda and Bungie gun?
>>8037928 they are still PRODIGIES, because they have only been 3d-modeling for 8 months
>>8035873more copies of the same artist. I like doing copy studies because they make me feel like I know how to draw. one peculiar thing I noticed is how drastically facial expressions can change if you adjust the angles a teeny bit or do proportions even a little differently>>8037002this is me but the animay doodle stays the same>>8037084you're a definitive gmi though>>8037924yum
>>8037924no, fuck you
>>8037923stop bullying brazil-non it is not his fault
>>8037938Don't interfere
>>8037886cuz your process is basically zenos paradox
>>8037899Any advice, anyone? I really want to get line confidence. Or rather, confidence + accuracy. Maybe also WHERE to use confident lines, since I imagine they're no good for detailing.
>>8037942Confidence comes from experience
>>8037940I'm not sure I follow>>8037923I don't really know which direction I want to go with the gun yet. The little holes on the stock are just something I saw in a bren gun. Anyways, no need to be mean.
>>8037952just the "cleanup your sketch" process which involes basically endlessly cleaning it up and never really getting it clean in the end, it's very time consuming and demoralizing in my experience, there's a reason professionals have a streamlined sketch>ink>shade>colors process
i dont have any ideas fuuuuck
>>8037953That makes sense. I'll try dividing sketch and lineart next time. Thank you.
I think I might've spent like 8 hours drawing yesterday wtfff
Took a few days break from drawing. I missed it
10 years vs 8 months
Only 10?
How I look after gooning for 10 years and drawing for 8 months
tfw ngmi tier
>>8037472this
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>8037997brat!
>really emphasize and push the perspective to make sure I don’t understate it>”oops, incorrect, too much convergence :(“>ok, next time I understate it a little more to correct my mistake>”oops, incorrect, not enough convergence :(“AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
I CANT FUCKING DRAW FACES. WHY ARE ALL MY FACES FUCKING SHIT?
maybe i should stop trying to draw cute girls and just draw handsome muscular men, surfing the internet for an hour vs walking to the mirror
>>8037959How do you not get tired? I get all sweaty and exhausted after a single drawing or two, it's extremely draining.
I finally got a graphic tablet. Now I have no fucking excuse not to apply myself and learn how to do art.GUYS, now what? What are the most important things to learn on using a tablet? Which shortcuts/tools should I put in the buttons of the tablet?
>>8038051I had about 400mg of caffeine and a nap in betweenI would not recommend the lifestyle I felt like shit all day today
>>8037997very goodgender?>>8037971very good>>8038054i have shortcuts for new layer and going up and down a layer
>>8038054ctrl+paint's free video library is pretty good for the basics of digital
Forgot a very important feature>>8038061male
>>8038061>>8038062Got it, thank you.
Today’s anatomy practice Anatomy books are nice because I have more artistic freedom than with artistic anatomy books that do all the work for you. It’s refreshing
>>8037104Great stuff keep it up
>>8037893Nice sense of form
Theres a subtle curve to the obliques(?) I cant capture. I think I should've gone thinner and a little smaller on the upper abs and elongated the pelvis, the erotic appeal of the original was nowhere near replicated. The figures look about the same as usual. Pros have this fluidity with their lines, they can capture even the most difficult of positions with just a few strokes; for me everything is a fight, but it feels great even getting a shape semicorrect.>>8037211>>8037370>>8037934Thank you.>>8037992tuff>>8037753I'd play this
>>8037997I look like this
>>8037759>shader to the 2d art to make it look more lively.Thanks fren, will do.>>8038094>I'd play thisIt's going to be f2p on steam. Need to work on the dialogue system and combat.2.5D.
>>8038112Reminds me of the otherworld (from Silent Hill 1 specifically), especially in the floor. Great atmosphere, but I will admit that the 2d sprite of the player character is pretty jarring. You ever think about making him 3d? I feel like everything else is. 2d images like that are good for backgrounds.
>>8038116He used to be 3D but tried switching him to 2d to draw more.
>>8035427
mfw there is no royal road to art
>>8037934and my attempt at applying what I've learned. I think I can make this fig good if I spend a day on it but I'd better move on
>>8038064sex
>>8037934>>8038204Hot
I bought a secondhand graphics tablet and the pen nib is a bit wobbly. Is that normal or should it be firm? Video:https://files.catbox.moe/92m4ij.mp4
>>8038245i boughted a fresh wacom and its nib is a bit wobbly too
>>8038246I see, I see. Thank you for confirming.
>>8038246if it's a pro model go rma that shit
>>8038139Damn, you even brought back the hand I was trying to hide.Absolutely mogged.
>>8038249im not sure if this normal. i just got used to it>>8038251no it's a common one by wacom pen tablet
Crit pls
>>8038266much better but long way to go still, biggest issue is lack of subtlety in the facial features, especially lips and nose, almost piece breakingBut genuinely just ask chatgpt to repaint this for you and learn from itAlso what process do you use to paint without outlines?
>>8038204Most of the inside lines are random and harsh. The light lost all its volume on the torso. The ass looks fine, but you added unnecessary specks. legs are red but neck is not.
>>8038271what about the hair>unnecessary speckssome might say they are very necessary
>>8038269Layers
>>8038272it is called "materials">what about the hairThe contour is nice, but the inside is a mess with no volume
question, is the backbone always an S no matter how it tilts and twists?
>>8038269Or did you mean why there is no square shaped canvas behind? That is because PNG can store transparency so if you leave background trasparent it wont show up.
>>8038275>it is called "materials"well yeah not realistic but coomers literally draw skin with translucent tofu texture so specular lighting there isn't that far fetched>>8038274can you show me your process/your layers?
>>8038278
>>8038278>but coomersIt is different. You can have juicy flesh and fabric, or you can have everything made of the same lego plastic, like a medieval guy
>>8038282brutal...>>8038281why are you getting rid of them when it looks better with outlines? Maybe try painting over the outlines instead of just disabling them, a thought.
>>8038283Not a style I am after.
>>8038284still painting over the lined drawing until the lines disappear seems like a better approach, or at least worth one tryIts like when you draw with guidelines, its usually gonna break when you disable the guidelines, because you made it look good with the guidelines visible, if you didnt want lines you shoulda probably sketches it without using outlinesIt goes the other way too when you make your sketch too painterly and you ink it without using any shading its gonna looks so bad it will make you suicidal
>>8038271can you show/tell me which buttons to press so it looks good then talentbro>>8038272I added them without thinking about it much
>>8038282if its not too much to ask, can you please showcase on a sphere how you generally you would Paint fabric of clothes? and maybe metal too?
>>8038296just google that shit
>>8038204Just wanted to draw your ref
>>8038296I don't really practice what I preach; my own work tends to be very samey and/or cartoony, just with a better value range. But I'm aware of these peculiarities because I had a quite long 3DCG rendering/modeling phase. Something that, again, I myself tend to avoid, but believe is the best way to get a grip on things, is not asking me what I do but rather painting from observation(of reality).
>>8038382What reference did you use?
how do I make lines end when I lift the pen on my tablet? Or is it just one of these things you live with? On Krita btw>inb4 skill issue
i have a hard time getting inspired what do i do
>>8038387the best way to do it is probably to edit pressure settings in whatever software your tablet has.a dirty fix could probably be to set something like flow, opacity or size to 0 at a higher pressure start-point, basically overcompensating if your pen is a bit too sensitive, so that nothing gets painted until you put at least a little pressure, which vice versa means it will also stop painting faster.
>>8038204annutha one. thinkin I need to do a 100 more copies or so>>8038325hey nice, you gave her a cute face>>8038340what about those button presses anon, you replied to the other guy but missed me:D>I don't really practice what I preachthen what worth is your feedback
I'm realizing that too much lines made my colored drawing flat so I colored ti differently
>>8038401Thanks anon. I'll have to experiment with it some more, seems like 25% is a good point but it still appears if I do heavier lines. I wonder if stabilizers/line smoothing will help?
>>8038387does it draw without touching surface?
>>8038432on my knees
WIP
>>8038432What brushes did you use for lineart?
>>8038418idk, maybe. Personally I don't like the krita stabilizers, and I'm not really against line smoothing either, I just find them wonky compared to other programs, so I just use the basic one and I can't even tell what it does.
>>8038436Cute>>8038438Square brush with pen pressure and opacity
I'm making this one just to run some experiments, and they kinda worked.What part's the weakest? It's something to do with the neck and the head, isn't it?
GUYS, I NEED HELP.I would like to install CSP on Linux. I'm on Artix KDE OpenRC.Can I use the script from minsiam with the pirated CSP version by Sakura (CSP EX 4.2)?https://github.com/minsiam/csp-linuxhttps://nyaa.si/view/2054917I would like to have some confirmation before proceeding.From what I understand, I should only need to change the link in the script to the CSP_420w_setup.exe installer, and then start the script with the number 4 as stated in the readme. Anything else?
>>8038450Small face.
>>8038450The top of the head implies she's facing down, but her face is flat as though she's facing forward. Either adjust the top of the head and hair, or adjust the perspective of the face.
Does it make sense?
>>8038456Use Claude. Install the dependencies first, then install the project. If you run into errors, go back to Claude. If there are still errors, check the Issues page and paste them into Claude.
>>8038473Got it, thanks
>>8038491also for this kind of stuff always check the forks, found this probably is more up to datehttps://github.com/XionBlueraven/csp-linux
>>8038459Damn you're right.>>8038460I got sloppy with my construction. The head was supposed to be tilting away. Should have really spotted it.
>>8038497pretty neathow did you learn to shade if i may ask, i cant find a good tutorial at all
>>8038503I'm honestly kinda freeballing it myself but this video teaches you the fundamentals. Nobody really seems to teach their exact process as it happens in their mind.www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQ5QF0q4QqQ
The grind continues. I feel constricted. What exactly am I grinding for? What am I going to do with these skills that I spend hours everyday for? I think after I fill my canvas I'll spend some time working on landscapes.>>8038497Good stuff. You should try adding some armpit hair, I think it would elevate the piece.
>>8038450fellow scientist.. based
>>8038509thanks a bunch
now what do i do with this
>>8038528ooohh... vaseline car...
>>8038532yeah why does it look like that though
>>8038533The lead engineer meant a baseline car, but unfortunately he was german.
>>8038493Thanks, I didn't think of that.I tried the original and it didn't work, so I tried this one:>https://github.com/parka6060/CSPenguin-Installer/It threw an error at first but I could solve it with AI (I just had to install a bunch of Wine libraries and such), then it worked perfectly.However, when I open the pirated CSP, it freezes on the loading screen. I imagine it's because it's pirated. I bet the normal version would work well.
Any tips on ways to improve?
rendering wood by hand and with filters>>8037816I'm following this workflowhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGk2MWoAepc>>8038536Yeah, I thought there would be more dependencies needed for that project, like Proton or Wine.Honestly, if you really want to use CSP or any of that software, I would go with virtualization using QEMU. It's more work, but it's probably the most logical solution, and with the current state of Claude, most of the friction goes away.Honestly, I prefer native solutions too. All the time I spend looking for workarounds is time I'm not spending drawing :(
>>8038537simplify. you are getting into details too soon
>>8038544True.
>>8038562oh okay thanks
huurrrrr love urself huhrrrr fucking retarded people trying to gaslight me into having self esteem when I know I'm not worth shit
>>8038467
>>8038591fuck
>>8038591maybe don't think about yourself so much, you narcissist
>>8038467I look like this
>almost 2k likes in a non coomer drawingSo its literally just dumb luck uh...
>>8037291Seriously this is the most ball bustingly insane shit. And Loomis just casually said “cut off the side of the sphere goy :^)” like it was some kind of sick joke. I will not believe that you can do this from imagination from any angle without video evidence
I want to practice, but I feel so empty just practicing in the void. Maybe I should try to tackle a project (comic) and practice as I go/need to, relative to the content I am doing. This is one of my biggest NGMI issues; it seems all good artists have a ton of sketchbooks full of random drawings in the void.
>made it look like latex on accident>now made it look like chocolate were gonna learn everything BUT metals tonite
>>8038432too many colors competing for attentionit would look nicer with a couple of main colors and an accent imo
i can't do anything
>>8038644cute ref, can you post it
>>8038646here you go. a better artist can do great things with this
>>8038649this ref sucks
>>8038652even my refs suck? im sorry
>>8038649why are you ref'ing a doll? ngmi
>>8038657i thought the pose was cute, and it seemed simple enough to not fail the proportions or placing the hip
