Seems like there are a million shills trying to sell you on their course or method for learning art, but close to no evidence of an adult actually doing said course and going on to become a competent artist. On the other hand, most of the people posting dramatic progress seem to leave out the fact that they were already drawing for years and just took a break. And of course we know there are plenty of permabegs that don't get better after decades.So are there any actual examples of this happening, or no?
>>8037082Every single good artist became good because they studied
>>8037082No, it's the same as most things. Pretty brutal blackpill. If you aren't good at something by the time you leave school you will never be good at it. Almost all adults are coping or crabbing so didn't tell you this.
>>8037082This is the case of believe what you want, anon. You see what you want to see. Like I can say pewdiepie and a bunch of others, and you can always find reasons and nitpicks why they don't apply. Make your own conclusion. Decide what to do. And do it. And by that I mean, kys.
>>8037082https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAjZoW6TvW0
>>8037082Peediepie
>>8037082It doesn't matter. You have until 35 to study and learn. After that, you are locked in with whatever skill you have at the moment you teach that age. So so wasting time and just draw.
>>8037082There are plenty of mangaka and comic book artists who didn't even touch a pencil well into their twenties before they seriously took art as a lifelong profession. The thing no one wants to hear about getting good at drawing is that you have to devote literal years' worth of time and study in order to get the results you want. It's not something you can half-ass or casually do as a passive hobby. There are endless examples of people (on this site and other places) who constantly bitch and moan (about how they'll never make it as an artist or that they're not as good as they want to be) and every single time they're either studying wrong, not drawing enough, or both.Drawing is exactly like going to the gym. Unless you're incredibly handicapped, anyone can find success, but it requires a lot of time in order to make those gains a reality. It doesn't matter if it comes naturally to you or not, you must still put in the work and time or else you will have nothing. And on top of that, you need to know what you're doing or else you'll waste said time and effort.Do your warm-ups (continuous lines, shapes, forms, etc). Do the exercises from DRSB. Draw from life and photographs. Draw from memory. Pick up an /ic/ book on constructive drawing and complete one at a time. Spend more time looking at your subject/reference than your paper. Draw the things that you love.
>>8037362>There are plentyname 5
>>8037350Not quite true
Embrace Chaos. https://youtu.be/1OSWR7xiQLk?is=yHgcDSInVIWS-Z6-My Creativity Grind. Use the random shapes to inspire you to imagine things only you can see. Then use a pen to make them real. Discover the Next Big Thing.
Here you go OP Vimeo.com/29510470Artists name is
>>8037082Sosuke Toka I think. He was in his early 40s and overthink that every successful mangaka is in their 20s.
>>8037082At the very least, I have never seen anyone on this board manage to bring up even a single example, which is kind of depressing.
>>8037082yeahthe whole history of fucking art, dumb assgo read a book. people worked. people struggled. then they died and acutally made money.
>>8037082Hide started like 27
>>8037082there aren't, but it doesn't fucking matter. The only thing that matters is hope, stop trying to look for "proof" or "evidence". You need to love drawing so much that you don't care if its impossible. Go draw. Its better to waste your life drawing than waste your life sitting around wondering what to do.
>>8037405It is true, now more than ever. The average 35 year old in the future is going to be living paycheck to paycheck (if we aren't using a credit system by then) and won't have enough calories from the bug burgers we're rationed out to effectively study. We're the last generation that will even have access to the internet as it is now.
>>8037346>Aryan genes>>8037420The average person can't do this...
>>8037362>Drawing is exactly like going to the gym.You can find a million gym bros with before and after pics. Where are the artists that do the same?
What’s with the demoralization threads lately? Is it just 1 guy spamming /ic?
>>8037768>le demoralizationtrumpcuck tourist trannies get the rope
Min Yum aka bumskee began taking art seriously in his mid-20s. At that point his art looked like... well, like picrel.And he's not just some rando who eventually got good, he literally informed a generation of digital artists like Max Verehin, some influential in their own right.
>>8037362>drawing it's like gymSo, you improve a bit for 1 or 2 years, and then you hit a wall forever?
>>8037810kind ofbut also how do you expect "improve" in a gym forever. Is it like to grow to 10 tons
yes
>>8037810You get gains really quickly, plateau because you got comfortable doing the same shit, join a club to better your abilities, and eventually take drugs to enhance what you can do.
this guy. Read the channel descriptionhttps://www.youtube.com/@canilearntodraw2579/videos
>>8037362>on top of that, you need to know what you're doingAlright, how do I know or find out what I'm doing?
>>8037082i didn't start getting good at art until i entered into my adult years lmaoit's all about your insistence and persistence on WANTING to make better art; being able to challenge yourself and not give up is one of the big reasons how various people manage to improve in their technical capability.Some people learn faster, yes. Some people are have better resilience, yes. Some have both. Some have neither!Bottom line is, if you DON'T GIVE A SHIT, then you simply won't improve.
>>8037082learning at a younger age is easier, but adults are fully capable of learning new things. you are blackpilling yourself out of cowardice: you don't want to try and your age is an excuse. you will only continue to grow older, anon. what will you have to show for it when you're 130 years old and we're all crusty boomers on senolytics and gene therapy?
>>8038239i hate niggers
>>8038300based and truepilled. fear kills, just fucking do what you want.
I started in my mid-20s but I definitely feel like I'll never be able to internalize some things I would easily pick up if I started earlier
>>8037082Why do you guys torture yourselves like this? If I gave you examples would you actually draw? Or would you eventually realize those individuals have more talent than you and be demoralized by it. If you don't like to draw, don't. Find something else.
>>8037362They're crabbing you because you're absolutely right"Just draw" is a pretty big oversimplification for advice, but at the same time, it's really not. Literally just read a book or watch some youtube videos, grab a sketchbook or tablet, and then find some things you actually give a shit about and start drawing those. Do that for a few years and yeah you'll probably be pretty decent
>>8037768>lately
>>8034836
lots of “copy bridgman” and “do drawabox” but no “I copied bridgman” or “I did drawabox”
>>8037082Are there any actual documented examples of anyone successfully learning to draw and not just being born with talent?
>>8040561i copied like 60% of bridgman and it reinforced good habits, got burnt out with figures and trad so i stopped but the next time i want to do figures and trad i will finish it
>>8037350Didnt starry night get painted when the artist was in his 40s?
>>8040561A lot of people did both, and are shit
>>8040729Name 5 people who did it.No one actually completed Draw Bridgman Twice.No one actually completed Nikolaides’ Natural Wy to Draw.
>>8037425>mindcandymanGreatest example ever recorded.
>>8038706if you had a real example that wasnt a billionaire drawing for fun while living life on creative mode, then it would be spammed everywhere and shut down the howies. It hasn't happened yet though.
cezanne was a shitty painter until his 40s i believe, but i dont into most artists bios.
>>8037388I genuinely wish he would
>>8037082no good artist ever learned this way. They all drew ever since they were a kid and naturally learned through osmosis and positive reinforcement.
>>8037132>keep yourself safeu r so kind :,)
>>8041630TRVKE
>>8037082Honestly every pro I know was at least drawing for fun as a kid and then started getting more "serious" about it in high school or college. The majority of /really/ good artists (like doing concept design for 3D movies or making bank off patreon from non-nsfw cool character art) actually only started getting really good into their 20s. My art prof often said that college age is the "puberty" of artists and I'd agree - it's where I saw friends who were the "geniuses" of their high schools become complacent and hit walls while the hard workers who came in with no formal training really took off once they were actually taught how perspective and anatomy works. So if you're in your 20s, it's definitely not too late. If you're in your 30s and drew as a kid, there's some hope. If you're 30s and up and never drew even as a child, the lack of interest in drawing as a kid is the bigger red flag (if you didn't even draw for fun what makes you think you'll like it now?)
>>8042115>(if you didn't even draw for fun what makes you think you'll like it now?)because i fucking want to
>>8042121Okay how much? For successful artists (of any age) art is a compulsion, not just a hobby or something they hope will make them money or give them fame. Even spite can't power an adult for 8 hours a day of drawing. Unless you were severely traumatized and never given the opportunity to try drawing as a kid then at least some of that compulsion should have been present as a kid. If not, you'll give up because it's too hard, too boring, or doesn't give you the money/attention/pride you want immediately.
>>8042155adults take all sorts of weird classes and chase all sorts of trend and niche behaviors. you must not know a lot of adults... and its quite easy to imagine someone taking a drawing class well into their 20s or 30s (could even be an engineer type as its adjacent to architecture) and then jist running with it,im just not inclined to agree with your characterizations
If you don't have the burning desire to draw within you, then you can still make it by just doing studies and learning anatomy, but you have to let go of likes and social media engagement. If you just want to get likes then use ai and be a pretend artist.
>>8037090Life isn't an anime, tranny
>>8043162I don't think so, pal.
oridayshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9FmIhMGYjgPikathttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kDY63EukAsPewDiePiehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRRpvuMG7AMNeg Illustrationshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAjZoW6TvW0You are just lazy
>>8043162do you have any evidence to back up that claim?
>>8037810I guess but at that point you should at least be mid /int/ and by then you should be more than capable of drawing all the titties ass and manga you want. At that point it's not about gains anymore it's about actually making your artistic mark on the world... or you know just jacking off to your own art a lot.
>>8043109>If you just want to get likes then use ai and be a pretend artist.which is a hollow feeling like getting like bots since you dont get any actual engagement with anyone since slop isnt remembered for anything. the reason why hand crafted art gives a striking impression is because you can immediately tell who made it just by the style of that artist
>>8037090/thread
>>8044060>is there an example of an athlete getting good at 80?>every single good athlete became good because they practiceddouble digit IQs think this answers the question
>>8037082It only take 2-3 years to get /int/ level. And that's if you're being lazy.
>>8044097pyw
>>8037082Boomers are the only ones left with the cognitive ability to learn.
>>8037082Of course, there's me :^)
>>8043476>>8044097Low /int/ looks already unreachable to me
>>8045337Same lol
