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Taking a break? Drink some water, do some stretches, share some thoughts.
Just keep them art related.
This is a thread for venting about and discussing your own personal drawing-related issues. Please keep posts on topic. Do not discuss community drama, do not link to twitter threads, and do not discuss non-art topics.
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>>8039876
do uploads on danbooru keep getting worse skill wise or is it just me?
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>>8039947
As long as it’s not aislop it can be prebeg for all I care
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>>8039947
everything declines over time.
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I just looked at the sketches of my unfinished comic and started tearing up. Some of these sketches look so fucking good I can't take it. I feel like finished versions of these pages could never possibly hold up.
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the ultimate art blackpill for me is realizing that if i were to put myself in someone else's shoes, i'd scroll away from my art if i saw it on my timeline. i have zero appealitis syndrome.
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>>8039955
There is a looot of AIslop on Danbooru anon. It's not immediately obvious but it's there.
Just look at Rouka's new work. Or go through a couple pages of this and you'll spot some
https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts?page=1&tags=order%3Arank
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>>8040145
i am more surprised by how few look like ai
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>>8040163
Look harder
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>draw from 9:00AM to 11:00AM
>eat lunch
>1:00PM, still reeling from "just drawing"
>2:00PM, brainfog, can't draw
>3:00PM, still recovering
>....
I need a full 24 hour rest before I can draw again
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>>8040200
ngmi at that rate anon. You need to be able to go for a minimum of 3-4 hours a day
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>>8040207
HOW?!?!?
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>>8040216
idk man just do it
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>NSFW artist I follow with my secret gooner profile follows my SFW art account
I MADE IT
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pics or it didn't happen.
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its time for me to prepare and go to work. Will continue my digital painting 9 or 10 hours for now (for only 15-30 minutes, if i didnt get too tired after work)
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>>8039947
anyone else really annoyed that rule34 and the boorus seem to pull all of their art from twatter 99% of the time? even when there are PNG versions on the artist's deviantart or pixiv? tired of 99% of booru art being jpeg. one example i can think of is wrenchthrower's art, an obscure furry artist who has been out of the hobby for years now. his deviantart has PNG versions, but it's ignored by rule34 and e621.

>>8040216
you need to learn to trance yourself. stop thinking about "drawing" when drawing, think about what you're gonna do for the holidays with family, or what you want to make for dinner tomorrow. i've managed to phase out over an entire night just to get distracted at the sun rising.

>>8040239
do people still have separate NSFW and SFW profiles still? i post my space ship art and my kinky furry shit on itaku.ee and if someone asks me for my art i just share them the link. only way they're gonna see the porn is if they create an account or click "i yam 18" in which they new what was coming. i don't care if my aunt knows i want a pawjob from renamon
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>>8040428
Is it generally better to export your art in png over jpg?
>i post my space ship art and my kinky furry shit on itaku.ee
Holy shit Itaku's still alive? Maybe I should go back there some time
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>>8040428
>do people still have separate NSFW and SFW profiles
I do because my nsfw stuff is generally lower quality than my sfw. Just to keep the gallery clean.
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i finally understood squinting but i cant unfocus my eyes on command tough luck
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thoughts on 5pp?
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>>8040216
Exercise motherfucker. Prefferably ones that trains your stamina like jogging, swimming, biking etc. I've been jogging for 4 years now and not only can i imagine the apple, i can smell it, bite it
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>>8040428
>stop thinking about "drawing" when drawing, think about what you're gonna do for the holidays with family, or what you want to make for dinner tomorrow
Do you really enjoy doing an activity at all if you have to mentally disassociate yourself from it like it’s some kind of traumatic event?
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trying way too hard to be retarded award
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>>8040637
My first thought is that I think I saw this many months ago
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>>8040216
Just pet the dog
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>>8040724
I truly hate that comic so fucking much
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Most of the time, I don't know what to study. I feel like I'm "okay" at everything, but I can't think of a way to improve. I actually feel like that bald guy who doesn't know how to pet a dog. You know, the one from the Paint comic.
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>>8040757
Do you have any projects? comic? game or anything that would be enhanced by you studying a specific thing?
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>>8040637
I like it but don't like drawing or following perspective lines to set it up, so I do it freehand and fuck it up everytime. good fun
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>>8040428
>stop thinking about "drawing" when drawing
The opposite is more effective to me, if I focus solely on the act of drawing and ignore the passage of time or what's going on outside the canvas, I become much more productive
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>>8040759
I have some projects in mind that I'd like to work on. However, most of the time, I work on commissions, and most of those are wide shots of two to six characters. I'd like to learn how to create more dynamic and exciting scenes, so I suppose I should study anatomy and perspective.
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>>8040779
The Framed Ink books might suit you
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>>8040785
That's interesting. I've seen that book recommended here and there, but I never paid much attention to it. I suppose it's about time I read it.
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>>8040673
kek drawing is traumatic, thats why I'm addicted to it.
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>>8040816
It really is. Everyone who claims to enjoy this shit is either lying or fucked in the head
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>if I start drawing now then time will fast forward to the evening
>drawing is so fun that it goes by quick
>while doomscrolling and playing shitty games drags on forever
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maybe it's time to finally make friends
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>>8040898
hmmm nyo, too much conscious maintenance at this point.
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>>8040905
friendless loser
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>>8040908
don't be upset nyow
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cant draw right now because if i start i need at least a 3~ hour window available and my mother is coming home (i live in her basement)
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so many people have the exact same problems with ADHD/finding purpose in this thread
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>>8040673
i'm super autistic and my mind has a million thoughts per minute. drawing is an activity that preoccupies my twitchy sperg body which makes my thoughts calmer and more coherent. i honestly don't feel myself when i'm not drawing. it also helps that i draw spaceship schematics and floor plates are a mechanically simple and highly repetitive thing to draw.

>>8040432
itaku is better than ever, a lot of big name artists have joined it recently. i've got the $55/year subscription every august and i get 50MB uploads without compression bullshit.
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>>8040969
The internet and its consequences. The constantly shrinking nepobaby art industry probably doesn't help
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>>8040929
lole hi s4s fren nice nubs and nice draw
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>>8041021
milady
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>>8040080
lowkey i pretty much just like and scroll every single art post i see only looking at it for like a max 5 secs even if its the most beautiful thing i ever seen. i think a lot of people are the same way which tbf is more cus we all just want dopamine hits so maybe thats the problem
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>>8041023
You dont know the board we are all male there also you dont know what nubs are so you are a newfig
Posting some of my s4s art to make this art related
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>>8041032
Where I come from, milady is a greeting. U'd b surprised to see how much overlap there is between funposting, esforest and Remilia.
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>>8041035
Omg you are right, esfores is just like Remilia Scarlet Touhou
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>>8041040
Remilia is a beautiful name for a girl.
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>>8040898
way too late for that
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>sitting and staring off into space for 6 hours
:D

>drawing for 30 minutes
>:C
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mr when just like Doland Trump America
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>>8041098
I genuinely believe the #1 reason people have so much trouble staying motivated here is because they’re working on things that are too hard and they don’t know how to set simpler and more manageable goals.
If you sit down to draw a super hot anime girl ninja, but you don’t actually have the skills to draw a super hot anime girl ninja, then you’ll just sit there confused and not make any progress, which will inevitably be unpleasant and demotivating.
People would be way better served by starting at the bottom and working up, even if it’s slow. How are your boxes? If you can’t draw a good box then start there. Simple manageable goal. Practice boxes until you can do that. Great, you did it, now you get the dopamine hit of accomplishment. Then move onto Loomis heads. Etc
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lmao this faggot said draw boxes

in the normie's brain competent people cant have trouble or mental illness, anybody they perceive as in a mental state "inferior" to theirs must be inferior to them as a whole ass person
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>>8041130
It's because zoomers are retarded niggers and they can't really shit talk into getting good at drawing

lol

lmao
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i am good at drawing though, weak ass bait
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>doesn't post his work

lolmaoroflcoptering , complete worthless generation
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zoomers are a fucked up generation
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>>8041141
“Mental illness” is just a cope/synonym for being a weakling genetic reject, yes. You do not have special secret potential that is being held back by your “AuDHD”. You just suck.
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>>8039876
I thought that I would never see AI generated posters (for food ads) in my country. I think I saw 3 in a month...
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>>8041098
the reason is that playing pretend in your head while laying on the couch for hours takes literally zero effort. people dream stories in their sleep and they don't even do it on purpose, purely to pass the time and engage the brain while you're unconscious. drawing meanwhile takes concentration. artists are trained to notice inconsistencies to better improve their art, which is why an artist can spot AI slop pretty reliably, but the average normoid cannot. it takes a LOT of brain power for me to look through my own artwork, trying to find pixel-level errors to fix. i inevitably find them, usually weeks or months later when i'm casually looking at my art. then i have to reupload/rearchive everything to satisfy my OCD. most people can't handle the drawing process because they overanalyze their work for perceived flaws and inconsistencies before it ever has shape or form, which is exhausting and especially overstimulates autists, who are disproportionately artists anyway.

>>8041141
drawing boxes is only step 1. step 2 is drawing things in boxes. a good guide for perspective can make a drawing look way better
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>>8041223
Why on earth would you think that? Are you stupid enough to think "AI is a bubble" that's going to disappear? Watch reality and not loud social media users
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>>8041186
Ever seen a person with a congenital defect?
Those things can happen to the brain. It's not their fault, they aren't lauy, they are just not able to operate at the highest level.

And art requires a high level of executive function.
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>>8041141
ppl make due with literally anything. U could learn how to draw with your dick i bet. u just gotta practice
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>>8041154
>>8041150
Generation cope
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>>8041225
drawing stuff in boxes helps so much but i swear half the time i still got no clue wat im doing. Sometimes i draw heads with boxes but if the chin is facing up idfk what to do. Maybe im just stupid
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I just found there's a word that is used in japan to refer to artists who are int and have at least 4 digits followers, eshi, as opposed to the more general word for artist which is ekaki. I think it is pretty funny.
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Sure is a lot of text for an visual arts board.
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>>8041257
This is the designated "talk" thread
if you can read...
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>>8041262
more like the designated nodraw thread hahah
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>>8041262
armchair artist general
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>>8041264
True for most but I draw every day. Breaks are important! I learned this the hard way
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drawing is easy and fun once I start, but I still have to start. Its so hard to make myself stare at a white canvas and convince my brain this isn't a massive waste of time.
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>>8041257
Art takes time to produce, if literally every single post had to be accompanied by an original work of yours then discussion would slow to a crawl
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>first substantial failure in months
>all confidence gone
wait, no. this feeling can fuck off. tomorrow will be better.
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>>8041362
what does "substantial" mean? i want to kms every day
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i am so tired of painting (still lifes) feeling like i am just making small proportion and placement mistakes one after another until it reaches a breaking point
portraiture is so easy in comparison, i dont get why still life gets shit as a genre of fine art
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>>8041371
thumbnail to colored sketch failed to produce something satisfying.
when I like a thumbnail I should like the full sized sketch as well. luckily I already know what the problem(s) were.
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>>8041377
thats not substantial at all, and why are you writing so defensively? stupid faggot
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>>8041380
>elaborating in the talk thread is "defensive"
>the guy that wants to kill himself everyday is suddenly lashing out after asking
lmao you sound soft.
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>>8041387
i have suicidal thoughts because i am insane, the same way i would be inclined to stomp your head until your brain leaks out if you said some bullshit like to me irl you stupid fuck.
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>>8041372
>(still lifes)
Can you eat em?
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>>8041399
damn tough guy I'm shaking in my chair. the whole thread better watch out going forward.
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>>8041399
you wouldn't do shit schizo
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>>8039876
I am rusty af to the point its scary to seriously draw. I can kinda doodle but a bolt of fear goes through me when I even consider anything more seious just because i know it has no chance of turning out well before the rust is gone. how do i get back into things without taking psychic damage in the process? october is coming up and i definetly wanna do one of those challenges this year but i am *not* ready
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I’m thankful for every day I wake up and I’m still healthy enough to draw.
Learn to appreciate what you have, guys
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>>8041545
As someone else sick, stfu dont talk down to others needlessly
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>>8041556
How in the world was I “talking down to people”?
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I think I finally draw for the process. Yes, I want the end to emerge, but it's about the process. Took me 2 years. At the same time I don't live drawing, the lack of skill still pains me.

But drawing has revealed a hidden property of it to me: it is meditative, sedating. It's therapeutic. And the worse my inner tides, the better my compositions, the more careful the details, the expressions.

I really don't want to do anything else but draw and sleep.
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>>8041639
*love,
Not live
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funny how you start a story (just start bro) the ideas of where you can take the story were coincidentally right there without you even thinking about it like you already have common themes that are recurring and you didn't even plan it at all and can run with it
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>I can't draw yet, I need to make breakfast
>I can't draw yet, I need to watch something while I eat
>I can't draw yet, I need to check my emails and news sites for anything important
>I can't draw yet, I need to drink coffee and get rid of brainfog
>I can't draw yet, its lunchtime I can't eat on an empty stomach
>I can't draw yet, I need to fap and clear my mind
>I can't draw yet, its the afternoon I deserve a break
>I can't draw yet, I need to go down this rabbit hole it might teach me something new
>I can't draw yet, its dinner, I need to eat man
>I can't draw yet, its evening I can't start now! its too late
>I can't draw yet, its midnight, I should be asleep not drawing. I'll draw tomorrow
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>>8041691
>I need to make breakfast and then watch something while I eat. I also now should make coffee while I am at it
>I need to check my emails and news sites
>Its lunchtime I can't eat on an empty stomach
Why did checking emails and news take enough hours to be from breakfast until lunch?
You need a bigger breakfast or to consolidate your activities together this is just the 1st of many time management problems
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>>8041711
brainfog and bad news/emails/responsibilities adding to the fog
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>>8041674
That's simply because a story can go into a myriad directions at any point.
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I never thought that Goyimbook would give me more eyeballs than all the other social media sites.
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>>8041729

It's the walks, man. I get the best ideas when I go out for a stroll.
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is /ic/ toxic?
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I havent drawn today and I didn’t draw yesterday wish me luck breaking the habit, anons!
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>>8042021
Only if you’re a pussy assed little faggot who can’t handle criticism.
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I'm looking for nsfw artist communities to get involved into but I literally have no clue where to start. Need a group to critique my shit and help each other grow socials
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I retweeted a small artist that had 2 likes on average and got him over 100 likes. Feels good man.
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>>8042071
May I get a repost :^)
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>>8042073
I don't do pity retweets so you gotta draw good first
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>>8042085
I'll repost yours if you repost mine :^)
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>>8042092
What's the point if you aren't being genuine about it? Repost only what you truly like. Anyway, I'm far past the stage where I would need to beg for retweets like that.
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>>8042093
So it never happened. Gotcha :^)
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>>8042097
think whatever makes you feel better but i really do not want to repost trash, sorry
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>>8042102
Oh I get it now, you want me to grovel you. I can't stroke your ego, it wouldn't be genuine you see I have a knack at picking up trashy people. Sorry :^)
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>>8042109
No, all I ask is for you to draw good and earn the rt. You don't even have to follow me or rt me back.
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No more (You)s until you earn them by posting your work Mr Larper. (You) don't even have to reply back :^)
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idiot
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who are you talking to
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Please don't engage with the larper, it's about time we start telling others to post their work and make /ic/ great again :^)
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>>8042125
pyw
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>>8042130
No u
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>>8042021
Frankly it’s gotten softer over time
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I got into game development bc it feels like the only way to even have a chance at people engaging with my stories... besides being into /3/ stuff anyway.
It's like an endless fucking rabbit-hole tho like man there's so much stuff to learn

Still, I'm of the mind that no one would have given a fuck about "games" like Helltaker, TCoAL, and Mouthwashing if they were presented as say webcomics or even published
No one reads comics these days.
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>>8042198
It’s a bit counterintuitive, because games have a slightly higher barrier to entry than webcomics. For most games you have to download/install something, whereas for webcomics you just go to the site and start reading. So you’d think that would help the proliferation of comics. But I agree that games overall have the highest memetic penetration right now and I doubt something like TCoAL would have been nearly as successful as a comic.
Comics definitely aren’t dead though. I see tons of youtube shorts get made about manhwa/webtoons.
Something like Homestuck shows that it’s possible to make an indie webcomic that gets big. Although, in terms of internet culture, Homestuck was basically an eternity ago.
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>>8042130
https://i.4cdn.org/b/1789572769282974.png
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>>8042304
So that's why you were so insecure about drawing good. lol. Miku, have you ever tried improving? Like actually improving at art? Or is this your actual ceiling?
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Yes, and are you going to post yours yet? I'd ask to post the other guy's work that was reposted but I've come to the conclusion that people mass report you out of spite since posting someone else's drawing is against le rules.
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no (you), no work
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>>8042340
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>>8042316
The pyw post was mine, but that's my only post ITT. It was just a direct response to your proposition
> it's about time we start telling others to post their work
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>>8042355
I'm putting together a team, and the likelihood of success is improbable with a probability for a bout of autism. You in?
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>>8042304
15 years....
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>>8042344
I completely forgot about this girl
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>>8042366
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>>8042021
it's just toxic enough that it's not a hugbox. the worst people say is "it sucks" or drop a bunch of slurs and swears like >>8042043 but they can't really hurt you in any way.
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>>8042366
Team for what?
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>>8042400
I met a dev who has IP rights to his OC, I'll be frank he intends to create a sex bot and already created an entire platform where you can engage with her as a companion. Basically, he's helping make anime real and is completely unhinged.
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>>8042402
Forgot to mention he's looking for drawfags/artists to help create content with, and yes he pays. He already told me he wants to pay you guys.
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Did my first watercolor, and a tiny bit of brush pen, since elementary school, which was twenty years ago. Kinda fun though I hated it back then.
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>>8042402
No, thank you. I'm already too swamped with comms to join some shady project.
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>>8042469
What made you think it was shady?
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>>8042475
I'm confused. Have you ever posted a link here directly to your gram or why are you even talking like you're gonna share something? What's the goal here?
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>>8042488
>What's the goal here?
I've been gathering posters for the past year now because I fear the worst for our little shithole. 4chan has been on a deprecating decline in both volume and post quality; unless you genuinely hate each other I suggest you start making groups/sidechats of your own with your favorite posters. It's sad to see the decline and while there are 4chan adjacent groups on X with oldfags such as Remilia it just isn't quite the same just yet.
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>>8042512
Are you the /biz/ guy, because if you are then fuck off already
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ic (and the internet in general) has fallen. Find your friend groups now and abandon this shithole
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This is my third day without drawing I can do it!
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>>8042515
/ic/ has fallen... BILLIONS must make friends...
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>>8042525
damn that's crazy
anyway I once reversed searched a satania image you posted and saw it posted in an AI gen thread when they were allowed on /ic/
sorry but I don't associate with fags that give up.
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>>8042515
making good friends is hard and if they're ai slop guzzling assholes it's even harder
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ok i've accepted that i can't draw well unless i get 8 hours of sleep. fuck
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>>8042515
I don’t have friend groups everyone is a faggot liberal.
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>>8042578
just go make friends in ben shapiro's comments sections
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>>8041402
>>8041399
kekkkkkk
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>>8042304
Figured out why she started to look appealing, she looks like trix yogurt.

https://i.4cdn.org/b/1789626236572003.jpg
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>>8041402
Trannies are crazy unstable to be fair.

/ic/ really has many of those, too.
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Imagine you're in school, you're struggling with your math homework
a fellow student sees this and says "hey want help on it?"
and you respond with "No, you're not a mathematician"
you would be FUCKING DERANGED for saying that

what confuses me is why is this so common in art? I've seen it so much, especially here.
We have full autonomy when it comes to taking advice, we can take it completely, varying levels, or reject it. For the people giving advice, I think the best way is to not force improvement or methods on someone, let them be fluid, art is fluid after all. It's ok to accept/reject advice. Corny but, most of us just want to learn, and have fun. I'm not spectacular at drawing, nor do I want to sabotage anyone, But I really really enjoy helping people. I'm fucking HELPMAXXING and ADVICEJELQING
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>>8042773
With something like math or coding, it’s easy to check if you got the answer right (on homework level problems anyway). So there’s no cost to accepting advice from everyone. You’ll know very quickly if their advice is any good or not.
The problem with drawing is that it’s already VERY hard to evaluate the quality of your own work and how close you are to being correct or not. Add in the fact that if you take recommendations from someone regarding study plans or exercise patterns, it can take a very long time to actually implement those suggestions and figure out if you’re getting any results or not. So you end up with a situation where it’s very costly to accept bad drawing advice, because it can set you back for a long time and it’s very hard to evaluate whether anyone’s advice is any good or not. That’s why people only want advice from trusted sources.
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>>8042530
Holy fucking kek Mikutroon really spend the last 15 years being a condescending bitch faggot to countless artist just to left behind so hard that xhe now has to beg this board to fireman carry xim from absolute failure. Absolute poetry.
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>condescending
It's a bad habit which gets picked up from the board's culture and it's so normal you don't realize you're doing it. Most of this board is basically just gossip about another artist and patronizing them.
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>>8042202
>Homestuck
Homestuck was like 50 years ago man. And also using Homestuck like it could ever be recreated in modern-day its just.. The internet is so different now
Most places seem actively hostlile to indie comics
>about manhwa/webtoons
Well for webtoons I can tell you that those are probably sponsored comics. Comics commissioned and published by the site, with the artists on pay-roll. Yes you can publish to the Canvas/Discover/whatever tab as an indie but Webtoons/Tapas are always pushing indies out

Anyway I'm kinda enjoying making games. It's a different sort of challenge and thinking in terms of mechanics and systems is pretty fun
My only issue is how long it takes to do stuff that should feel pretty simple, since it's all programming
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>>8042856
> Most of this board is basically just gossip about another artist
if you only read lsg
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>>8042867
The slandering and gossip has been a boardwide phenomenon for as long as you can remember and it's been a problem enough to impose a "drama/community vendetta" rule specifically for /ic/.
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>>8042875
That is not what most means.
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>>8042860
You can make a VN or VN-like (like TCoAL) with basically 0 coding experience at all. But yeah if you want to make a real game with actual gameplay then that’s a whole new skillset
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>come back to DeviantArt after a while
>post a new drawing
>get comment about my account getting locked
>click the link (antivirus didn't detect anything btw.)
>they wanted my card data
>start getting autistic, thinking it's the globohomo enacting their adult verification bullshit and start arguing in chat
>google around
>someone mentions a scam
>hold_the_up_fuck.mp3
>nonsensical user name
>chat in the link is being threatening about blocking my account
>view counter is ticking up on my last drawing
>comment is already deleted
Found the fucker through notifications and reported his ass, also scanned my computer just in case.
Low key felt relieved, funnily enough.
God, I'm getting old.
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>>8042812
well at least you're not calling me a retard despite disagreeing I guess.

I mean idk does it really need to be that bad? Can't people work with t
he fact that they are taking a risk with art and experiment/commit fully? Like let's have a little faith here.
Not to mention it's also worth pointing out someone who is learning from someone else (Say, Vilppu) can share the things he's learning from Vilppu with someone else, and yeah there's a risk of it becoming a game of telephone, but the information itself is not going to differ THAT much.

Vilppu says draw simple shapes and deform them, and then build drawings with these shapes, how difficult would that be to repeat to someone else, even if you haven't fully mastered it yet?
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>>8040428
>you need to learn to trance yourself. stop thinking about "drawing" when drawing, think about what you're gonna do for the holidays with family, or what you want to make for dinner tomorrow. i've managed to phase out over an entire night just to get distracted at the sun rising.
How does one enter a trance? I know the feeling, it happens when I'm writing, but the problem is that I'm good at writing, or at least good enough that I can get absolutely lost in it for hours. If you're just learning the basics, can you really just trance out? I feel like I have to pay so much attention to absolutely everything, and if I don't it turns out like ass.
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>>8042967
NTA, but I'm in the same boat. It feels like everyone is shrieking to start with (X), or to use tutorials in (Y) format, but everyone has different Xs and Ys, and they're all saying that you HAVE to start with perspective or construction or tracing or copying 1:1 or whatever else X could be, or you're fucked. It's enough to send anyone into shock, let alone someone who has decision anxiety or (In my case) pretty bad obsessive compulsive disorder. It especially doesn't help that you don't see improvements with ANY of the learning methods for an extended period, there's zero beginner gains to be like "Ah, that's it!" like there are in other fields, at least with the methods I've tried.
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>>8042979
>It feels like everyone is shrieking to start with (X), or to use tutorials in (Y) format.
Just draw.
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>>8042979
I would be skeptical of any "do not do X". Doing any common-sense thing will benefit you in some way,
Unless you're only just drawing lines and circles. But refer back to what I said at the beginning.
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>>8042988
Draw what? I do draw. I got worse. I don't know what to do. I don't know where to look, when I say "fuck it" and get mad and just start "just drawing" like you said, I make a random Loomis head ball piece of shit, then have no idea where to take it from there. There's also always something inevitably wrong with the angle of the jaw, etc. that I don't know how to fix, especially when I just say fuck it and try to do it without a reference, but even with, it's bad. Isn't there such a thing as bad practice? If I "just draw" poorly over and over forever, isn't that just entrenching my bad shit?

>>8042992
Whenever I experiment, it just goes badly. The combination not knowing what to do, not knowing what I'm drawing, and not knowing where to start means I often get stuck at the starting gate or balling it up when I can't figure out where to go with it. Drawing spontaneously is so fuckin' hard, man.
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>>8042967
Just cite your source and show people the Vilppu video where he says that and they’ll probably be fine with it
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>>8043004
You're overthinking it, what led you to want to draw to begin with? If you don't know what to draw just draw pic related, it doesn't have to be proportioned well, it doesn't have to possess correct anatomy, and it doesn't need for you to draw a perfect circle. If there's ever a golden rule in drawing it should be you having fun otherwise what's the point.
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wasting your time on people that can't help themselves is ngmi behavior
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>>8043031
truthnuke
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>researching a random topic for 2 hours like how birds can talk and sing
>now its time to draw
>body instantly goes into sleepy mode
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>>8043093
It’s all psychological. Force yourself to push through and start drawing anyway and you’ll feel awake again
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>>8043031
failing to refute the howie means you are ngmi. If "just draw" was right, you should be able to prove it to someone
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>>8043023
I'll give it a go, thanks anon.

>You're overthinking it, what led you to want to draw to begin with?
Well, I really love certain artstyles, I'm super drawn to the types of shapes they use for eyes and stuff and would love to do it, myself. I'd also like to make characters, and I'd like to fulfill my own unusual fetish, as all people drawn to art do. I do like bury pink and bury evil a whole lot too, though, so this'll be really nice.
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>>8043097
>If "just draw" was right, you should be able to prove it to someone
Noone owe Howies' proof and noone gives a fuck if Howies' don't make it. There's a reason they called him a retard and walked away at the end comic, investing into obvious lost causes is such a massive waste of time, energy, and peace of mind.
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>>8043170
howie at the end of the comic was right, so he wins in the end. Nobody can say he didn't try because he clearly did.
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>>8043008
Yeah so I suppose the analogy works only if how we're helping each other involves sources/citation. "You should try this, I picked it up from this artist". I'm pretty fine with that desu.
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>>8043179
on my SOUL I didn't mean to type desu. What the fuck? I rarely ever do that. How did I type desu? what was I trying to say instead? what the hell
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>>8043165
Try posting your work next time, and the sooner you begin to "just draw" the more comfortable you'll be making mistakes. Point is you need to start from somewhere and no amount of instruction will help until you begin to pursue whatever it was which got you to want to draw.

https://i.4cdn.org/b/1789692588146456.png
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>>8043176
>he wins in the end
Howie had the absolute best opportunity to pet the dog handed to him on a silver platter and faggot was still too retard to even flex his fingers to feel the dog properly. In the end, he didn't pet the dog and he's still unhappy even with the reality of the situation since it's not what he wanted. Calling it a 'win' and saying that he's 'right' only serves to protect your own ego and give you excuses when it's your turn to be the Howie and not even try. Peak loser mentality.
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>finally enjoy drawing again after going through anti depressants
>drew alot recently though nothing is fully finished just simple figure study doodles (digital and trad)
>content, happy even
>started to notice pain in my dominant hand
>Oh no
>realized the way I draw was different back then before I was medicated
I used to draw with my whole elbow and shoulder. Now I've been using my wrist to draw. How the hell did I not notice earlier? Am I fucked with Carpal Tunnel forever now?
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>>8043097
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This pic feels like it applies to literally every online forum and platform.
I try and have some meaningful discussion or casual chat and there's just this constant chatter from internet schizophrenics spamming and yelling at each other
And it's like we've accepted it, like you're hearing the constant hum of a power line or aircraft when living near a runway.

Yeah I can filter it both literally and mentally but I've begun wondering if it's even worth it. I want to meet like-minded people but the crazies kill any conversation soon as they show up.
Sometimes they go away, but there's some basketcases that've been posting literally everyday for years like what the fuck are normal people supposed to do?
>>8043323
Nah, do some stretches. Hot-cold therapy. Some pull-ups (good for the wrists/elbows) and face-pulls (protects the shoulders).
It's good that you notice these bad habits anon, work on fixing them and you'll be golden.
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>>8043367
As more people come on the internet, the collective IQ will drop and number of schizos will rise. These people have nothing in their lives because people irl actively avoid them, so they are loud and everywhere online. Internet discourse will be increasingly dominated by bots, idiots, and schizos, especially anonymous forums where they can't be ostracized. This place will slowly die.
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>and it's like we have accepted it
When all people do is circlejerking, trying to farm meaningless numbers, chasing clout, drama or otherwise trying to find others to use as stepping stones for internet fame and relentlessly going out their way to insult anyone that dares express any thing more complex than cumming in their own mouth while making up an entire biography about those people that do not commit to autofellatious acts while calling them schizos in the same breath, you are only left with the legit mental cases since sane people see this shit and avoid even risking to interact with the quacks.
>what the fuck are you supposed to do?
Wait until they all kill themselves
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>post new work
>someone likes it and the starts liking all the other works in the series
always nice to see that happen live
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>>8043415
t. seething schizo
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>>8043367
>internet schizophrenics spamming and yelling at each other
Honestly I don't think its schizos spamming it anymore. Or they learned how to program bots to do their schizo posting, that's my theory anyway.

It's rare to see someone sane these days. This is the only board I come back to after cutting off all of my online friendships and most of the boards are run by bot spam now

Thanks for the advice. I've been trying to get myself into proper physical shape lately as I'm reaching the age where the brain stops expanding and what not.
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>>8043478
I’m sane :)
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it is insane how little effort you can put into nsfw and gooners will still like everything

meanwhile, anything that is not goonslop has to be on par with the masters or else no one will give a single shit about it
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>>8043478
maybe real schizophrenic was you all along
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>>8043510
Gooners realized that society is just a costume ball.
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>>8043510
Sex sells, everyone has always known this
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how do i become passionate
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>>8043780
Someone somewhere is drawing your favorite childhood character crush with a self insert while you post on a south east asian indoor shrimp farm forum.
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>>8043793
my childhood character crush was a game magazine mascot babe that i saw once and was autistically fixated on for a couple of years and then never again, i dont think anyone would be drawing her
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>>8043195
I can post some work, for sure. This is more recent, I gave her a hook hand and flipper because it turns out I really have trouble doing feet and hands from that angle, even though the construction looked "fine" to me. I can draw while referencing just fine, but I can't seem to doodle offhand at all. That being said, I'm about to do so with the bury evil, will post.
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>>8043799
Here's a fun ref, also posted her drawing in this thread a couple days ago.
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>>8043801
>>8043799
Different variant made by a drawfag I met through shitcoin escapades.
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>>8039876
i took a break from drawing and idk where im even at in my learning process sigh
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>>8043806
>>8043801
Oooh, cute! The more the better, thanks anon.
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My mother unwittingly got me to go to some crazy church thing to get prayers or something and slabbered me in oil and that I'm in danger and something was wrong with me and that I need to wear this shirt that they blessed for 4 day to let the love of jesus flow into me or something. I assume they think something was wrong because I grumpy from nothing eating anything all day and wasn't participating in the church hysteria and it showed on my face. God I hate this superstitious country I'm stuck in. The worst part was watching my mother give away her money for offerring and then asking me when everything was over if I happened to have any money to pay for both of our rides back home.
>>8043815
You could try drawing something and see if it comes back to you? Maybe you'll get stuck at the part where you dropped off
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>>8043795
You’d be surprised, anon
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/ic/ has been 200% more negative lately. I think it might actually be over this time, 2027 might be the worst year ever.
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>>8043903
>worst year ever.
unlikely. Things could always get even worse
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>>8043903
>c/ has been 200% more negative lately.
Has it really? Seems more positive to me
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>>8043903
The epstein class won. They're pillaging our society, what's left is circling the drain.
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>>8043903
it's the same as last year and the year before
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>>8043903
>>8043932
Has anyone ever considered being nice instead of being rood all the time?
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>>8043903
you should post more epic troll drama eastvswest ragebait IQ-talent epic funny bait and insult people even more, maybe it will get better
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>>8043939
no because i'm on 4chan
i'm much more nice off of this place, faggot
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if i did nothing but spam the usual normie social media buzzword insults 24/7, i'd just commit seppuku with a fork
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>>8043947
12edgy34me
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>>8043903
Zoomers killed society and the site. Hard to see the positives when everything is crashing out.
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>>8044001
>t. millennial failure
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>>8044004
>Attacking the poster

Typical zoomnigger behavior. I own 2 houses 2 cars and a photoshop subscription, keep your delusions to yourself. Sure you are going to make it big in art, just support more mass immigration of indians, they are super nice people.
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>everything bad in shitty little millennial life is zoomers fault
Don't you ever get tired of this?
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>>8044016
Fuck you, Jew!
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enjoy your dead site.
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>>8044009
>both posters create a negative group
>one immediately goes for the most scathing insults they can think of in relation to the board, immigration, and race
kek
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>both posters
its the same retard
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What are (you) drawing this weekend, /wct/?
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>>8044044
gahnta dust off my ipad and probably study eagles
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>>8044087
I'm painting clouds and have no idea what I'm doing but they're fun.
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>>8044034
Enjoy not drawing loser
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>>8044113
I know how to draw
Doesn't matter anymore, you guys let down entire countries and industries. Why do you even draw? Designs, animation, mocap, rigging, artwork it's all AI.

Your grandparents died for everything we had and you threw it into the trash while blaming them for everything.

Zogbot pussy generation.
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>>8043903
i think it's because people's idea of 4chan comes from the mainstream media's covering of /pol/ and those that haven't been around here for a while try to emulate the pop culture idea of what a channer sounds like, but it comes off as disingenuous.

also, with AI being a thing now, i am sure that it's far easier to set up cheap, affordable bots to mess with real users in a believable way to tarnish the website further.
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>>8044170
>i am sure that it's far easier to set up cheap, affordable bots to mess with real users in a believable way to tarnish the website further.
This is just /vg/ and shonen threads on /a/ for the last 4 years
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Anyone else depressed watching AI art grifters make tons of money off cosplaying as artists? Real artists are being drowned out in the indie commission scene and internet algorithms.

>bro just draw for yourself
Sure, but it was nice to have that other avenue open. Now we don't even get that, are we supposed to just accept shittier quality of life year after year? When does it end?
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>>8044184
>Anyone else depressed watching AI art grifters make tons of money off cosplaying as artists?

No fuck the future. If zoomniggers don't want to fight for their rights they deserve everything that's coming. Abhorrent generation Abhorrent state of the world and art.
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Zoomers are the only ones fighting for their rights thoughbeit. Maybe you should stop being such a bitter old man and do something
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zogbot is fighting da powa

lol lmaaaaaaaaaaaao
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>>8044189
>>8044189
Don't give up, that's what the Epstein class wants. Keep fighting
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>>8044184
No I'm excited. I've never been more excited in my life in a long time for AI.
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>>8044201
I made a Tetris game in 5 minutes with cloude the other day fucking lol
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>>8044201
This. The people that have adapted to AI are earning easy money while building large social media followings.
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>>8044203
Nah you are just a fucking loser scamming printing porn lmao
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>>8044204
Lions don't care about the opinions of sheep.
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>>8044205
i have 10 agents on cursor atm, you are just a gigantic loser.
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>>8044211
you're a weak little man
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>>8044213
you are prompting porn for indians lmao
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>>8044215

If Indians are the key to early retirement then so be it.
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>>8044217
If you are still at that stage it's already too late. Can't imagine being a fucking loser like you lmao
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>>8044170
Definitely the majority of the site is botted now; much like the doomer and ai shilling posts here, and majority of the internet at large.
Saw an image floating around how on /vg/ a lot of generals are all botted as in they constantly ritual post or bump or get triggered to post upon certain words or when there is activity or something or just to shit up the general out of revenge.

It's just annoying that you go on 4chan and you can't do shit, you go on social media and you can't do shit, you go on discords and you can't do shit because it wasn't enough that you couldn't do shit irl.
All this shit because politics is the new religion and retards keep doing nothing but trying to spark drama and flame wars all the time nonstop.
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>>8044170
Seriously so many people coming here for their shitty nodraw culture war bullshit instead of drawing.
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Sometimes I think I already know the direction I want to take my art towards but then I'd see someone else's work that makes me want pivot. Always happens so now my style is not cohesive whatsoever
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>>8044229
Why bot a dead board
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>>8044194
ignore him. he's been seething since >>8044004 for whatever reason.
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>>8044234
so it doesn't become alive again
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>>8044248
probably to falsify traffic for advertisers
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>>8044278
meant for >>8044234
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People have started naming the survivable parts Atlas Wojak and it's problematic because it--------
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>>8044229
I have interacted with some of the people who do those ritual posts and I can assure you they’re not bots (at least not all of them anyway)
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>>8042937
That drawing got about 1.5k views in about three days, incredible.
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I bought some old fountain pens at a garage sale for 3€
The gold nibs have a melt value of 30€ each
Pretty cool huh
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>Ai in the west
>scams , illegal activities, shitty coding, shitty gooner art
>AI JAPAN
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is it better to just asorb as much info about art as possible?
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Social media wise, is technical skill significant in terms of getting a foothold online only if you want to get noticed by big online artists or plan to monetize your artwork?
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>>8044419
No, social media wise what matters is whoever is the loudest.
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>>8044282
What’s a “ritual post?”
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>>8044433
Basically people who make the exact same post every thread in a general
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>"I dont get it why am I not popular!?! Why do so many artists have me blocked?!?! Why won't my friends invite me to the super secret server??!? Why do I keep getting banned?!?"

Its because you're mean. Okay? There I said it.

You're fucking mean and no one likes being around you. Its not because you're "too real" or a misunderstood artist, you're just fucking mean and nasty, and say racist/transphobic shit unprompted all the time.

Look at Hagis- his skill level is objectively lower than yours but he has more followers than you and is super popular. Wanna know why?He says hello to everyone. He's nice and friendly and gives good advice.

Since you like "redpills" so much here's a fat redpill for you to swallow- at the end of the day if all you care about is popularity then you might want to understand what makes ppl popular in the first place-no one is going to care how good you are if you're a fucking asshole whose only personality is 4chan.
Please learn from this.
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>>8044457
Im not joining your telegram
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>>8044457
>>8044460
samefag.
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Is Fluxer a good alternative to discord for finding an art community? I don’t want to have to fax my driver’s license to proof my age.
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>>8044466
Your linux, retard?
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I've decided to abandon a months-long project so I'm going to dump all the stuff from it and blog if anyone cares.

(1/?)
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It was a months-long project, started back in June, and conceived as a short series of animations about some little robot guys living in houses and getting transported by an evil robot to an alternate dimension, and forced to outwit him in some competitions. You can see the pilot episode where the evil computer is delivered to the house for the first time here: https://youtube.com/shorts/C8JtZFWt4BQ

(2/?)
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I was going to use it as a springboard for promoting video games I made. I would post shorts to TikTok and Reels with the little robot announcers talking about stuff, making jokes, and so on. I was really proud of the girl's voice in particular, which you can see in this rough skeleton of the third episode: https://youtube.com/shorts/ag6bJr0Jt8I

(3/4)
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Overall, I honestly don't know what to do with my life anymore, or what's next. I tried my best to give the world something creative, and I failed. Whatever the world wants, I just don't have it. I'm not planning on dying, but I'll try being homeless I think. I feel completely, totally, spiritually crushed, as if every person in the world has personally rejected me. I won't give up art, but I don't think I'll share it anymore.

(4/4)
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>>8044465
>tranny deflecting after being btfo
Im still not joining
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>>8044457
>you can only be popular if you parrot what the wannabe social engineer discord trannies allow
>please be a sociopath
Swallow this throbbing redpill;
Being "nice" attracts waaaaaaaaaaay worse schizos than being """"mean""""
being "mean" filters retards and sociopaths and even unironical mean people
also if you're nice all the time people notice it's fake
if you're not risking being offensive to some ones, you're not real and if something being slightly offensive bars you from any opportunity; that means you should not attempt to befriend such groups.

No one likes being around "nice" people, except individuals who don't want their agendas questioned, hence why they band together and actively influence their immediate surroundings whether that's digital or physical.

A thing for everyone is a thing for no one; but usually the thing for everyone is trannygayhomo propaganda made by individuals who want access to other people to groom and manipulate them.
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>meanwhile on /pol/
>>>/pol/542909167
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>>8044495
Turned a literal turd into a meme and everyone's having fun. Why can't we have this?
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because you people don't crave fun, you crave social brownie points
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>>8044457
Take your own advice, mikutard
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>do a copy bridgman meme twice for 2 weeks
>see immediate improvement
damn, are any other memes as useful
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>>8044457
>>8044491
I think you guys are both right and wrong, I mean first off this has nothing to do with racism or transphobia. You're just angry at chuds, being mean extends way beyond that, and yes it's possible for "racist transphobe chuds" to be nice and polite. Even to blacks and transgender people.

and yeah you shouldn't be afraid of offending people and speak your mind sometimes, still though it's okay to be nice and not be a turbo sperg screaming "NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER" all the time. It's not that deep. Just be normal and chill.
You don't have to be a naive hippie about it. there is some genuine, logical and pragmatic reasons to be nice if nothing else besides it feeling good for everyone.

I hope you guys can take something from this, because I think you both have some good ideas here, and just need to not go to the extreme end of your philosophies.
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zoomers are a sad, weird, disturbing generation
maybe gen alpha will be better
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>>8044522
they got raped in every way possible
why would you expect anything else
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>>8044518
value studies, color studies, master studies
all good memes
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>>8043510

i think you're wrong. gooner art is held to a higher standard than SFW art because the human brain has been designed through billions of years of selective pressure to notice imperfections in the humanoid form. slapping big tits and wide hips on a girl with noticeable face asymmetry is not going to be pleasant. meanwhile, how many times have you seen an artist botch the proportions or scale on a drawing of a car?
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Why did you guys bully him out of the board kek

>>>/biz/62707220
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>>8044548
That picture looks nice though
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>>8044548
I don't think anons were particularly mean to him either
he just didn't get the answer he wanted
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>>8044562
>People on ic say they dislike this and that I can't sell it for 400 euros.
He got your typical crab behavior.
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>>8044564
the first is a matter of taste and the second is a matter of just trying to sell it
either it sells and anons were wrong, or it doesn't and he has to get a job
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>>8044566
With the way you guys talk about how important a job is I imagine you're on your knees sucking your boss's dick under the desk every single day.
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>>8044566
I got the impression /ic/ gaslight him into believing he shouldn't be trying to sell his art before he masters x, y, and z first.
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>>8044567
he was the one talking about a job in his threads
that was the whole reason for wanting to sell it for 400 euros, iirc
>>8044570
maybe, but I don't think many anons have experience buying or selling traditional art
from what I remember it was mainly a thing he had to try and see
the other advice I remember was about finding niches that people actually want to buy (portraits, animals, landscapes, etc)
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>Saturday
>could do literally anything as there was nothing today
>did literally nothing of note
>it was stressing me out, making things worse
Great, so apparently I have ADHD *AND* GAD
Just fuck my shit up, no wonder I'm a loser at my age.
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>>8044519
>"why don't people want to be friends with ME? Oh, it must be because they the heckin chuds who scream nigger at every chance! (hehehehe heckin epic trolled)"
Maybe you'll figure it out in 15 more years
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>>8044580
>check wikipedia on GAD because why not

>tfw this shit
>Other non-specific symptoms
> (19) Exaggerated response to minor surprises or being startled.
Yep, I get easily startled, comically even.
Chest tightness is common as well and I was getting my heart checked recently, it's perfectly fine if not counting raised cholesterol. Doctor even agreed it could be caused by anxiety.
My last drawing was done when I was both on ADHD meds and the last of old testing hydroxyzine script I had. It was also the day I vacuumed my car, literally about a hour after I took the hydro.
Bros, I didn't want to end up a slave to pharma yet here I am. What a fucking joke.
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>>8044491
>people like to interact with nicer people
OH YEAH? WHAT ABOUT ALL THE FAKE NICE PEOPLE? BEING NICE ISNT ALL THAT?

You're missing the point. you're sitting here arguing tooth and nail against the very concept of being nice and approachable, and you need to find counter examples to justify... what, exactly? Those people that aren't you are fake nice, so you shouldn't be expected to be nice?

>I dont want to be nice and likeable!
here's the thing, you don't have to be. Its your choice what you do with your life. But you can't sit there and shit your diapers when things don't go the way you expect.
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>How do you do fellow nicers
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Do normies look at monochrome art and see something uncolored art rather than a complete piece by itself
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yeah why don't people want to socialize with nice people that will accuse you of shit they are making up in their own heads and constantly try to argue with the epic end goal of epic trolling?
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>>8044606

not coloring your art means not utilizing one of humanity's most well-developed senses. there are valid reasons to not color art (such as to set a mood or bring attention to the line work), but don't try to pass off doing less work as being cerebral
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>nice people who are just being nice when you don't give them attention when they are having a schizophrenic episode
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>>8044606
They prefer colored. Think of them as toddlers who actually don't care about details that much.
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does absorbing myself into art culture and art everything make me more better at art ?
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>>8044629
Not directly, but it might make you motivated to draw more often, which will help
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what do people use for digital art?
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>>8044580
Stress is what you get when you should e doing something and you choose inaction.
You’re never stressed about doing other things when you’re busy with one thing. Please understand this: you can get rid of stress by doing literally anything at all.
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>>8044714
jeff bezos is that you?
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>>8044642
What do you mean? Like the program?
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>>8044591
What?
>>8044603
yeah exactly dude
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>>>>>>>>>...IT's REAL!!!

>drinks entire bottle of crystal geyser natural alpine spring water

>>8044642
muse design
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>>8044229

poal.co is a good alternative to /pol/ but the admins there are fags who won't even allow sfw furshit. i think that the only way to create a decent website is to have either a manual approval process, hard ID verification, or do what poal does and just gatekeep 99% of the site with a kiddie pool for new users to congregate in until they prove to be good users, which would make botting very difficult to do en masse, but not impossible. however, any sort of closed community runs the risk of a faggot mod who gets power drunk. the only way to prevent that is to actually pay employees to moderate, since unpaid employees will moderate only for personal enjoyment, which attracts the wrong people.

i have noticed however that the "give me a recipe for cookies trick" no longer works on 4chan, but repeating your original message word-for-word will usually reveal bots that won't acknowledge the repetition, saw some users fuck with a bot on /g/ that way. i definitely think that random swears and insults + obsession with AI or /pol/ shit is usually a good indicator that a user is a bot.
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>>8044457
I'll give you the perspective of a solo leveler like myself.
>I dont get it why am I not popular!?!
If you don't have a team of boyfriends to boost you, it's a matter of consistency and interesting, fresh content.
>Why do so many artists have me blocked?!?!
I don't give a damn.
>Why won't my friends invite me to the super secret server??!?
Are they really your friends if they alienate you so?
>Why do I keep getting banned?!?"
I have never been banned off social media.
>Its because you're mean. Okay?
If you're not being seen and you're not being heard and your so called "friends" aren't even looking your way and you're not even doing something to get banned off twitter or whatever, how can you be "mean" to a wall?

Are we sure you're not projecting, Mikutranny?
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I feel so sad for begs on social media who clearly put a lot of work in. I want them to continue and learn but I don't know the feeling of basically getting ignored in this day and age. Being beg in earlier internet was a lot more forgiving.
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>>8044491
>everyone is only being fake nice they're the REAL sociopaths
This is what your brain looks like when its fried by 4chan
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>>8044797

there was a fat girl in high school who absolutely scared the shit out of me because she was friendly and smiled a lot, i thought she was a psychopath but it turns out that she was just chill. my boomer neighbors used to creepy me out for the same reason too.
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i'm scared. will i really improve?
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>>8044418
no, there's too much trash and fart sniffers. you should develop your taste and only absorb the good stuff.
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>>8044419
there's a minimum technical skill level you need. depending on the style and subject matter it's actually quite low.
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>>8044518
drawing still lifes from life
figure drawing from a live model
master copies
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>le 4chan bad
>*is on 4chan 24/7 just to insult people and get some epic gotcha*
social pants shitting themselves
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>>8044518
how much of his drawings did you really understand
were you able to pinpoint every muscle
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>>8042689
All done.

https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1789881997675458.mp4
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>>8044823
Fat girls usually have more friendly and outgoing personalities because they have to compensate. As opposed to thin pretty girls who can just be total frigid bitches because they’re guaranteed to get attention anyway
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I love AI.
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Mikutroon's 15 years of failure is unironically scaring the shit out of me. I don't want to be haunting this board like in my fucking 40s. I don't want to look back and remember the countless people that left me behind while I failed to take any intiative in my life. I don't want to die a complete fucking loser. God fucking help me...
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>>8045073
You're going to be left behind regardless of Mikufoid's influence on you.
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>>8045074
I genuinely don't believe that Mikufag is a non-tranny woman. Like there's no way
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>>8045068
Yeah well fuck you
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>>8045083
It should be obvious + she never refuted the claim.
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>>8045084
>Almost 86% of Japanese game developers are using AI in their workflows
Sorry not sorry.
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>>8044714
>have ADHD so do nothing
>get too stressed to do anything
>ADHD gets worse
Cursed cycle
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>>8045088
Nice try tranny
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>>8045073
Crypto fixes this.
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>>8045073
yet you're not doing anything about it
tick tock
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im struggling learning the loomis method im trying to beat this stuff in my head but ahhh
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>>8039876
I always shift from
>I can do it
To
>I can't

I don't understand why something looks easy, and then it turns out impossible.
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when you drawing your character, and you begin to feel its personality and fabrics through the sketch
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The female mind is one of my favourite subjects of study, I'm always looking to find new ways of probing and deconstructing their inner workings.

I find it so fascinating how, in the western civilized world, they can get literally everything males wish we could have and still find ways of being sad and miserable. Sex, money, company, emotional connections and support. Sometimes it feels the entire world spin around them. And part of that assessment would be correct, society itself seems to bend itself backwards to better fit their needs, down to an unfair degree.

And yet, from the thousands of girls I talked and dissected down to their souls, even the most prettiest and most talented, the smartest and better allocated socially, they always felt insecure, weak and useless, emotionally unstable and slave to their emotions that some small waves of my hand could make them act so irrationally. The complexity of their emotional thinking and how it dictates so much of their lives is so fascinating. As a male my inner thinking and desires can be so simple and primitive, it is all about sex, control and power and often those baselines desires can be matched by also simple things. But the needs and wants of women seem to orbit very alien and different needs. I always find it quite intellectually fulfilling to understand what they need to be happy, to break their minds and make them as depressed as I can with as few words as possible, to rip through the superficial ideas they hold and drag their soul, kicking and screaming, to the light of truth.

I really really love women, I'm delighted by the tastes and texture of their soul and pain, such a banquet of colours and smells, their vanity for things so superficial and stupid that truly do not matter but are the world for them, their ignorance over things so obvious, their keen eye to things I was blind for the longest of time. Thinking they should have civil rights is definitely a mistake, though. too emotional.
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>>8045499
They have a hole which bleeds every month in between their legs bro.
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>>8045506
I'm aware of how their hormonal cycle can be much to blame for their irrationality and instability. but the ones who seem to skip the entire thing, mostly because of anorexia, are often way way worse.

I want to say something like strogen can fuck up your mind so, but you also have the entire deal with trannies, that are insane but simple minded like males, all about sex or control.

The architeture of their mind is just different, proven in a few aspects like their attention to detail. but it does not end there, and it fascinates me deeply.
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>>8045509
Their bloody cunt is right next to their butthole what the fuck is wrong with you.
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>>8045509
>>8045510
No periods if they're on birth control. Somehow makes them even more miserable though.
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Weekend's over, let's see those drawings.
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>>8045499
>it is all about sex, control and power
Eh I only really care strongly about sex as a male and I'm pretty sure that's mostly because I both get none and have a high labido. I don't really care for the other two. The only thing I want in terms of control is control over my own life without others pressuring me to do what they want me to do under the guise of wanting whats best for me
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>>8045596
>posted it to social media
sorry bwo you'll just have to take my word for it
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>>8045499
Pretty much everything that’s distinct about female psychology can be explained by the fact that they’re physically weaker than men + pregnancy is a big risk that requires a huge investment of time and resources. Everything else follows logically.
They’re not actually all that emotional tbqh. More coldly calculated and rational than anything. Men have them beat in terms of both emotional complexity and intensity. The greatest writers and artists who have portrayed the most subtle and complex emotions have always been men. And at the other end of the spectrum, men are always the ones doing insane impulsive violent crazy shit, not women. We just culturally don’t think of getting into a bar fight as “being emotional”, even though it plainly is.
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>>8045720
That is a fair point, especially about how we tend to perceive emotions. But I guess a great part of my fascination is how it does not make sense in the slightest and the motivations behind their actions.

I don't think every female is inherently stupid, but a lot of them act really stupid. With males as an example you can blame the baseline primitive emotions taking over, like anger or carnal desire pulling the strings. But if women are so coldly calculated as you imply, and I also can totally see, what type of secretive means do they seek to behave in the way they do? Even if the end goal on the simplest terms is survival to keep the offspring going, this does not apply in a modern setting 100% and needs to be translated trough different filters. What are those and what make them so fucking retarded? The more I think about it the more mysterious they seem to behave.
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>>8045246
>Sometimes it feels the entire world spin around them
Because this is exactly what happenes. They have a constant advantage in every aspect of society.
The teachers give them higher grades and don't punish them when they need to be punished.
If a divorce happens, they almost surely have to earn, and almost surely get the kids.
If they commit a crime, they have a lighter sentence.
They stay at home, contributing much less, and have the audacity of not cooking in time.
They are practically treated as special needs kids, and yet they always cry as if they are the victim, when they have it easy.

>The female mind is one of my favourite subjects of study
Nothing special. Just less able to rationally think compared to a male.

Also, humans are violent, both male and female. While males express their violence physically due to their strength, females have to express it through deceptions and lies.
They lied enough to make us believe that they have more emotional intelligence and empathy, while they are just cold and whiny.

>society itself seems to bend itself backwards to better fit their needs
End stage femminism. Lindsay Clancy.
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do you cringe when someone likes your bad art?
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>>8045935
>The teachers give them higher grades and don't punish them when they need to be punished.
Kek, I'll never forget the only two people initially passing in 3d animation class were two of the only 3 girls in my class and the 3rd one that didn't had a boyfriend in the class. Their work was the same quality as everyone else's too. God college was stupid
>>8045952
I'm more surprised than anything
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>>8045952
When any rando does it I don't care, but when an industry pro likes my art I cringe so hard.
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Industry professionals are viewing your accounts?
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>>8045978
Yes, they follow me too :)
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what do you call it when you want to draw but just cant bring yourself to do it but you simultaneously dont want to do anything else so youre just stuck in an inactive limbo
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>>8045978
They're just liking shit like normal people.
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>>8046585
your problem here is that you both have a crippling fear of failure and the urge to draw. you can fix this by giving yourself easier tasks until you are confident enough to try something new.
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>>8046714
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>>8045840
>>8045720
Yeah, the whole idea of women being the more emotional sex/gender mostly derives from men not really thinking about how periods, estrogen, and pregnancy affect women.

Women do indeed act stupid because when you compare general IQ distribution, the average woman is more likely to be of average IQ whereas the average man's intellect comes down to a coin flip between whether or not he's got below average IQ (compared to the average IQ of the population) or above average IQ. This doesn't mean that men are collectively dumber than women, but that a lot of men are generally going to be retarded (which allows women and bright men to control them) or smarter than the average woman which can get them places. Unfortunately for women, this means that the total amount of smart men dwarfs the total amount of smart women. It's also been documented that there is a strong correlation with IQ and EQ, hence why special needs children (very high IQ and very low IQ) tend to be very empathetic (specifically affective empathy).

Most women are midwits because of genetic self-fulfilling prophecy.

>woman does not want total retard because he will fail to protect her and her children
>women does not want smartie because he can out-think her which means she's totally helpless
>proceeds to go with dum-dum as her mate (not retarded, but not a genius - he will either be dumber than her or slightly smarter than her)
>first child is more likely to have the highest IQ of the family but every other child born within three years of the first will have dramatically less IQ

There's also the unfortunate consequences of the Tortoise and the Hare dynamic. Women's brains mature faster than men's do during childhood which is why young girls often act very grown-up (language processing, social cognition, emotional regulation) but the problem is that society mistakes this for (higher than average) earned EQ and actual life experience and maturity.
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