The general thread for Manga / manga-styled comic-making, manga-style illustration and related comic work. That said, everyone is welcome here.Support each other and talk about your work or the work of others that excites you. Inking, character design, paneling / layout, writing, planning, and other discussions are all welcome.Post resources, questions, in-progress pages, breakdowns of other works, etc. If a work is not yours, credit the maker (unless it's fucking obvious like a full page of One Piece or something).Thanks to everyone for making /mmg/ a level-headed and helpful place. Remember, drawing and making comics and manga are difficult endeavors, and we're all in this struggle together.Previous thread: >>8067742Some resources:/asg/, our stylistic sister-thread series for those focused more on illustration >>>/ic/asgBooks:Understanding Comicshttps://e-hentai.org/g/2042453/83e7da6ed0/Making Comicshttps://annas-archive.org/md5/d55168f7579c1e23275d1fc9f0a2255dManga in Theory and Practice: The Craft of Creating Mangahttps://annas-archive.org/md5/2877da11e2f852d220853e9944e6ea49Story: Substance, Structure, Style and the Principles of Screenwritinghttps://archive.org/details/RobertMcKeeStorypdf/Even a Monkey Can Draw Mangahttps://kupdf.net/download/even-a-monkey-can-draw-manga_58b9ca16e12e89233badd376_pdfThe Shonen Jump Guide to Making Mangahttps://mega.nz/file/i81imLpI#GcheJ9Jjk3lw1RE9nQWgL4RG4wEBNOcRmgA-iaU6WpgVideos:"Manga Senpai/Tokyo Name Tank", "SMAC! THE SILENT MANGA AUDITION COMMUNITY"Habanero Scans: https://www.dailymotion.com/HabaneroScans/videosManben link can be found on archive.org on different pages separated by season: https://www.reddit.com/r/manga/comments/1bu9f0y/found_all_of_naoki_urasawas_manben_and_manben_neo/Urasawa Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCkIFOAoFm47XOAlJwTa6Ieg/videosOP image is from Jormungand, chapter 25.
>>8072652Other open comic publishers:Dark Horse ( https://www.darkhorse.com )>Dark Horse still welcomes your submissions, and all submissions will still be reviewed, just as they always have been.>All unsolicited story/series proposals must have a full creative team on board. Writer-only proposals will not be reviewed.Image comics ( https://imagecomics.com/ )>Image Comics only publishes creator-owned material. They do not contract creators; they’re only interested in publishing original content for which you would retain all rights.>Image Comics publishes creator-owned/creator-generated properties and THEY DON’T PAY PAGE RATES. Image takes a small flat fee off the books published, and it will be the responsibility of the creators to determine the division of the remaining pay between their creative team members.Drawn and quarterly ( https://drawnandquarterly.com/ )>Please email a low resolution PDF with at least 20 pages of comics and cover letter to submissions. Do not send dropbox links, scripts, or proposals. Please read our submissions FAQ.Fantagraphics ( https://www.fantagraphics.com/ )>submission page: https://www.fantagraphics.com/pages/faqTop Shelf Productions ( https://www.topshelfcomix.com/ )>Regarding submissions, we're easy. Just email us a download link of what you'd like us to review. NOTE: We cannot accept cover letters, plot synopses, or scripts unless they are accompanied by a minimum of 10-20 completed pages (i.e., fully inked and lettered comic book pages).Additional publisher lists:> https://jasonthibault.com/definitive-list-comic-publisher-submission-guidelines/> https://writingtipsoasis.com/best-independent-comic-book-publishers/
>>8072653Some western / indie publishers of Manga:Saturday AM ( https://www.saturday-am.com/ )> Digital indie magazine, seems to be on the up-and-up> Open submissions for long-form series; also distributes series currently being published elsewhere.> Regularly publishes one-shots, making it a good potential outlet for already-finished work.Oni Press ( https://onipress.com/ )> Technically indie, but at this point large enough by comic standards to be mentioned in the same breath as other publishers.Antarctic Press ( https://antarctic-press.myshopify.com/ )> Longtime large-indie publisher of OEL / manga-esque books.> Seemingly taking submissions at present if https://antarctic-press.myshopify.com/pages/submissions is anything to go on.Yen Press ( https://yenpress.com/ )> Started out as a small indie publisher of original / Korean material, and has grown reasonably popular since.> As of 2016, it is also one of the western arms of the Kadokawa Corporation, with Kadokawa owning a 51% stake.> Editorial inquiries can apparently be sent to yenpress@yenpress.com, however, they apparently are not open to new submissions at this time.Viz Media / Viz Originals ( https://www.viz.com/originals )> *The* western manga publisher.> Currently in the exploratory stages of setting up an English label.> Submissions are open and several books have been announced. However, progress on the label seems to be moving very slowly.> Still might be worth a shot anyway.Shrine Comics ( https://shrinecomics.com/ )> Small indie manga publisher> Seemingly attempting to make the transition to physical volumes> Allows crossposting to other sitesIconic Comics (https://www.iconiccomics.com/)>A bit like Oni Press and Antarctic Press>A small publisher with a focus on indie works with manga inspiration
>>8072654/mmg/'s very own anon-led anthology: /ic/onographyhttps://discord.gg/QYnFBves7Vhttps://forms.gle/d3a2Cwwd44sJYyqv9(Anthology project is defunct but the discord is alive)Additional community added Resources:Mangafonts: https://mangafonts.carrd.co/Hiro Mashima YT: https://www.youtube.com/@mashimaCh/videosGanmo, a job listing board for manga assistant work: https://ganmo.j-comi.co.jp/postsHow (You) can help /mmg/:> Know about a contest or a publishing opportunity? TAG THE OP and post a link.> Have a new resource? TAG THE OP and link / mention it for inclusion.> Don't be a crab> Have a link / DL for a mentioned resource? TAG THE OP and mention what you're supplying a link for.> SCREENSHOT / PASTEBIN effort posts that help you for posterity.
reminder
>>8072658Kay old man!
Didn't realize the last thread was already at page 9. Reuploading my new chapter cover a final time for fun. This is the exterior cover for chapter 6 (empty space on the top will be where the title and other details go):
>>8072660... and the spoopy internal alt cover to match what I did for the previous chapter.
>>8072658Simple as that
>>8072659As much as I was bitching about cropping out the figure in the last thread your efforts still look good anon, good stuff>>8072660>>8072661Also very good stuff anon. Nice twist on the base drawing and good patterns all around
>>8072661I love these dark/inverted versions of the covers.
>>8072658I don't have a computer fuuck
which cover do you preffer? This
>>8072767or this one?
Hope you've had a good day!
>>8072767In order to have this one work you gotta darken the shadows of the piece in order to make the light source of the lantern stand out. An easy way to fuck around with that is duplicating the colors in a seperate layer, add like a Multiply effect to that layer, and use a soft eraser on that layer to erase away the parts of the piece that you want brighterAnd if you want this piece to work >>8072768 you gotta integrate the girl into the stained glass more. That would require some more effort but the most easiest way is just making the girls outline THICK, something like pic related. I would also axe the stain glass having the name on it and really focus in on the ribbon being where you display the title. Give more attention to the text there and enlarge the ribbon.I think I would need to see those improvements in order to judge more properly, but if you wanna print this is a book to sell then the first one with the lantern is the easy choice cause its telling a snippet of a story that you got goin on. The second one even if you follow my advice is more of a page transition-er or chapter art. You know, bonus shit for the viewer
Hows this look? Havent done a page in over a month, mainly doing other studies
This is the last page I did a month ago, is the lighter inking here better? I tried heavier inking with the newer one
Alice-anon, if you need an assistant for your upcoming serialization, please post here or in Ganmo.I'd like to apply.
>>8072783You gotta de-emphasize the trees in that last panel there. There is so much unnecessary detail when the focus should be on the characters and what theyre doing.The fix is relatively easy, you just gotta de-emphasize the detail the as the trees go further back into space. Like the ones that are the farthest back either just get rid of the lines entirely or opt to make em pure black silhouettes, and the ones that are more in the middle just erase some of the line work you got goin on. Not a lot, just keep the detail minimuim, and the trees that are in front of us you keep the detail.However I am having issue with the detail that you have decided to draw. The detail seems rather nonsensical when shit like tree bark is rather easy(if a little bit time consuming) to bullshit. Just some squiggles that follow the form of the bark is enough. Going out of you way to do those basic hatching movements doesnt look all natural for a tree cause thats not what people see when looking at tree bark, its all the fucking cracks and bumps. The most complicated it ever gets is if you decide to put one those holes in the tree bark and maybe there you do some hatching in the hole as to represent the shadow but filling that in with black would also work fine.Look I'll post a crop from one of my pages as an example. Not a lot of detail Im aware, but my image also has a lot more clarity and its easy to distinguish whats in the front versus whats in the back.
>>8072792check your DMs :)
>>8072784You actually got the squiggles I was talkin about in my last post kind of right in this page, it doesnt take a lot to convey a tree even in a dark gritty ass story, just goin with the flow is best for drawing shit from nature. However in this page you lose the line thickness on the characters in that top panel there so they end up blending in again. If you cant be bothered with the other characters then at least make the guy in the center of that top panel have thicker lines.
>>8072784Also the way the guy is holdin the gun is weird, apologies for the lack of a quality correction cause I couldnt be arsed to bring out the tablet but we should see more of the forearm like here
>>8072797>>8072795Definitely do need to work on the line thickness for the background then, turn it down for the background and up for the foreground, I'll focus on that on my current pages. For the tree though, they're meant to be gum trees and other similar austrlian trees, thats why theres all this random shit on them. Think I capture that? probably dont need the had lines though, but I figured itd look better in color
>>8072800Also thanks, and true, I'll take another look at that. Not sure why it looks proportionally wrong cause I actually traced myself copying some quickshooters on youtube
>>8072802Well in my reading they didnt read as any specific tree bark, it just look like standard forest trees. Regardless of the tree though I would just have selective lines that highlight the form of the tree. If I wanna indicate that an area of the tree bark is smooth Id probably would make an outline(not a complete one though I'd break up that line), otherwise I'd just add lines that emphasize the form and nothing else, no hatching or any of that shit. And if I wanted to emphasize that a tree bark has a shadow cast on it I'd just add more lines that emphasize the form, but I wouldnt add hatching on top of that, just adding more detail would accomplish the same thing. As for that red bark I would distinguish that with color or screentone, I wouldnt change the way I do the lines on the tree, the determining factor for that is how rough it is and how the cracks form.Also despite my critiques just know that you are improviong anon, your sense of form has improved(that arm mistake aside) and you have seem to have gotten a better grasp of not senselessly throwing lines and hatching ontop of your characters and therefore achieved more clarity on your forms and how the fabric actually folds. That and the gestures in your characters being less stiff compared to the pages that youve posted months ago. You are gettin better, anon.
>>8072805Honestly thanks for that, I'll probably copy that onto some trees for the next page and then try and make the rest actually give the impression of bark. Also thanks for the kind words. hopefully keep practicing and getting better
>>8072804Well unless I see the pic for reference(please dont post it dont doxx yourself) I imagine that even if you did trace it it could have just been an awkward pose, like maybe you held the gun too close to your tummy or something or the camera angle was bad. Even if it was a very accurate trace that doesnt make it inherently a good looking image. Photography can be very misleading cause we always take photographs of people at face value so we wont read an awkward photo as inaccurate or wrong, but translate that to a drawing and the nuance is gone.
Is it sufficient to draw like Mob Psycho 100 to get people to read your story?
Would a true amateur manga magazine work? No talent-rats allowed. Only scribbly manga. That can be done in 1-2 days. So it‘s cheap and so it can work for true amateurs who gos to work or school and who has only the weekends to draw manga.
>>8072835>That can be done in 1-2 days.1 chapter i mean.
>>8072835sure just don't expect anybody to read it
>https://cubari.moe/read/imgchest/a846eqjgzyx/1/1/Thank you for all the feedback.I'm now planning to write a new one-shot story.I still aim for Mix Green.>issues with faces and figures>too many talking heads>overly re-used panelsYeah, it's my blunder.I drew the entire 31 pages in just 1 week.That's 4-5 pages a day to draw, I had no choice but to cut corners on my art quality to meet the deadline.On that note, quite a few anon said my art looks like 'Houseki no Kuni'.kekI never even read this, might do one day.>Too dense Paneling feels too comic booky not very manga>you should try more panels variety>It doesn't feel like a manga, but an european comicFair enough.I thought by making my paneling looking like "cubicle office" without any variety like: -panel expanding through the outer margin,-diagonal paneling,-no border, etc.combine with limiting my camera angle, I could enhance the "mockumentary" nuance more.I was wrong.And I found it too risky to do what Fujimoto did in 'Goodbye, Eri' because only he has the privilege to do that.I'll try trimming my paneling to just 4-7 per page for my next work and cease limiting myself and fully utilize comic as a visual medium.>Plot is kind of a problem, lost me in the middle somewhere so the ending didn't land>Story ended up being a bit confusing >it's actually hard to keep track of>other problems in writing and technical skillsPoints taken.Have clarity and be persuasive.Focus on only few ideas, desires, choices and challenge it.Make things easily digestible even a worn-out guy who just had a bad day can easily process it. Don't make reading feels like a chore."Keep It Simple, Stupid.">poor englishYeah, sorry.Next time, I'll just write in my native language and have it translated to JP and EN.Thank you for reading my work.
>>8072845Why?
Why would he hire someone to draw the blood?https://mangaplus-creators.jp/episodes/pu2611011630430027444404
>>8072717>As much as I was bitching about cropping out the figure in the last thread your efforts still look good anon, good stuffThanks anon-kun.
>>8072835I think magazine is the wrong way to think of it.A magazine has its roots in professionalism, it's got set publishing schedules, style guides, etc, it's not suited to amateurs. Even just saying to such a person >hey wanna join my magazineIs going to deter them.Maybe instead call it a club, the manga weekend warrior club or something.
>>8072835>>8072894also, while you want to attract amateurs and not have them be overshadowed by more skilled artists... you don't want the whole thing to serve as a sort of crab bucket that is opposed to becoming skilled. Ideally all you should desire to become incredibly skilled, and that desire should drive you to make your manga. If you're all just content being bad, that's kinda miserable, there's gotta be a motivating atmosphere to the whole thing
>>8072835Ask yourself why anyone would want to read that instead of something professional.>it'll be fastsome takeshi is grinding away 8 hours a day in Japan to deliver professional quality quickly. He can probably do this for the next decade and it will cause him to die at 68 of Acute subdural hematoma.
I'm only interested in drawing cartoons. Do I really need to learn all that perspective stuff and other boring fundamentals? I just want to start doodling and get straight to what I actually want to draw.
>>8072907>Do I really need to learn all that perspective stuff and other boring fundamentals? I just want to start doodling and get straight to what I actually want to draw.You can start drawing right away, nobody says you can't in regards to a simple comic. But the second you want to draw things a specific way for a plot that goes beyond the most basic newspaper funny comic like Garfield, you're going to have to learn a few things, with learning how to portray things from a specific perspective at the very top of the list.
>>8072792Pyw
>>8072905>some takeshi is grinding away 8 hours a day in Japan to deliver professional quality quickly>8 hoursFucking lmao. Try 20.
>>8072986>>8071806How do you feel about these as character designs for a comic?
Been a while since I've posted a page so I'll post the previous page in addition to new pages
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>>8072989How about this: How do you feel about drawing those designs for hundreds, potentially thousands of times? Start there.
>>8072997I really like the colors you use anon.
>>8072938Thank you, I guess the "just draw" thing is real and you can add up specific techniques as you go
>>8072989If you believe in them, go ahead. I suggest 100 portraits each to see what parts fall off.
been so busy :(
I tried a style with may bigger lines. So i used all my western western soft nibs, italic nibs, the parallel pen as well...It's thick but you have much less control, in comparison to a g-nib. It's so satisfyingly precise and sharp.I have Deletter gpen, which are considered hard.The line is thick enough, but to achieve the right thickness 've to press down awkwardly hard. Feels like it wasn't intended for such use.Zebra is softer, does it make a difference? Is it worth switching brands?In the last thread it was discussed that new zebras are stiffer, so is the difference even that big?>>8072997Overall i like it. The girl looks too old. I'm not a fan of how you draw the city.The pacing is not ideal. You show the shooter, than a page of them running and next page he is hit by the arrow. There no surprise and no suspense.If you show the arrow shot out of nowhere and explain it after, it would be surprising, even though this trope is a little bit overused.Or you show the shooter and the pay off is later, when the shooter is already forgotten. The moment is still surprising but it was already explained, which makes it feel less cheap.The way drew it, it feels anticlimactic.
>>8073072The arrow does get shot out of nowhere, here is the page before >>8072997Overall, it is somewhat anticlimactic, but that's somewhat the intention. While I have been working on this for over a year, it's only a 35 page comical chase scene, it's not supposed to be very serious. My hope is that it be read in about 2 minutes.Please do tell me about the way I'm drawing the city. I'm also a little dissatisfied with it. It's a balance between drawing it quickly and drawing it detailed.
>>8073074Hmm, i don't see what it is supposed to mean. I would assume it supposed to be physical and funny. But a slapstick sequence does follow a pattern. Something funny or surprising supposed to happen. If someone is too arrogant, he falls and you can laugh about him.I don't know i'm not good with comedy.But here the guy runs, someone shoots an arrow, misses. You show the shooter making adjustments. The thief is like, okey, he missed, i will continue running. And than the arrow hit's him.You know?For example if the guy is running, the arrow comes, he jumps, and the arrow misses. He sees the second arrow coming, he jumps again, but the arrow has a twist, changes direction in the last moment and he is hit.This way there is bit of story going on, he thinks he can do the same thing again, but nope, the shooter adjusted, he did not, so he looses.Yeah, anyway. Pg32, the diagonal horizon line is very disorienting.
>>8073077Yeah, it perhaps could have been more inventive of a climax
I finished heavily redoing the beginning of my manga and made a oneshot out of the first arc to put on mangaplus https://mangaplus-creators.jp/episodes/jz2611020500110026067420I wanted to see how it would do as a fresh story, and the old version was kinda shitty anyways. There's still problems but I didn't want to to completely redraw it, it was more like targeted changes of the worst pages. One thing I had to do is make a page at the start saying its left to right, I never thought about it until now but I never had this before
>>8073167I read it, it was funny! The Let Me Solo Her reference was cute. Was the sun supposed to be another reference as well? It looks kind of like the sun jumpscare from Dead Space 2 when you're in the school auditorium.
>>8073002Aand that's the end
>>8073221normally I hate coloring in manga and comics but your coloring is always really nice to look at. The mood is always set nicely and the painted backgrounds are comfy
>>8073221hype to read it in one block, this chase scene seemed to go forever, but i'm sure thats just because of how it was presented to us to read,>>8072783same thing i've said in the past, our eye is gonna go to blocks of black so of course we are drawn the the big blobs on the paperbarks, push the trees back with colour or tone, maybe try using the "adjust line width" tool, Trying to push to get this done in the next few days so i can go back to the porno.streaming on twitch these days: its nice to not draw in the void of isolation all the time.https://www.twitch.tv/jeffe_cutestory
Ack, such poor timing
>>8073228Thanks, I tried to include a gradual passing of time in this little story to give myself chances to depict different lighting scenarios.>>8073237The chase scene does go on for a long time, but that's sort of the joke, it's a wild goose chase. That being said, it seems longer both to myself drawing it and people reading it like 1 page a month. I hope that once catbox comes back to life I will be able to present it as the simple 35 pages that it is, and hope that it reads well when skimmed through at a usual reading pace
>>8073210thanks, the sun is drawn to look like Don Patch a bit
>>8072897>>8072894I think that's what i meant, a good manga, with a good story, good paneling, good characters, but low fidelity rendering.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heta-uma
>>8073262Manga with good all that stuff but low art style, is better than polished and good looking manga with sbysmal writing. But at the end of the day the polished looking manga gets more views on social media since it looks better, and people only find out it sucks after reading. It would be hard to find actual good manga makers that know how to write but I think its possible, you just have to turn away 10x as many bad writers.
>>8073267>But at the end of the day the polished looking manga gets more viewsAnd takes 200 man hours per chapter instead of i don't know 5 to 30.
Like see that as a better story board. A mag likes it? Give me money, give me 5 assistants and i will redraw it with high fidelity art.
>>8073280I dont know why they don't try this, maybe they do and just dont advertise it. But outwardly they always talk about how they want people with amazing art skills, disinfo warfare.
>>8073292That's not a strategy i see a lot of people doing. Maybe cos it's stupid. Maybe for some other reason. Maybe more people are interested in rendering than visual storytelling, paneling and so on.
this black friday is my only hope if I can't get a computer for cheap then my manga will never be made.
>>8073319good luck anon
>>8073319Draw on paper
>>8072780Better?
>>8073321thanks>>8073329I do, but even analog requires a scanner and a computer.
>>8073384Why don't you get a job
>>8073389because then I won't be able to dedicate 8 hours a day to my manga.
>>8073391So you're just taking the piss out of this thread
>>8073392No. It's genuinely one of the main reason I don't want to get a job. Feels like all my creative aspirations will go down the toilet. I don't want to make a few oneshots. I want to make multiple completed works. I don't understand how anyone plays video games, watches anime, reads manga, or creates anything when employed.
>>8072853>https://cubari.moe/read/imgchest/a846eqjgzyx/1/1/Some anon said this looks so dense and there are too many panels each page, but how many panels per page are too many to be called dense actually?
>>8073425depends on page size. looks like that is a large and readable font, which makesanything 90% better. 4 rows is on the bigger size fir panel. the unequal space between panels kills me
>>8073430Magazine and tankoubon's size varies, but every manga is drawn in the same B4 size.
>>8073433and what year was that manga made?
>>80734342025.This one >>8073425 is from 2024.
>>8073437I guess it just depends on the magazine.Magazine for boomers tend to pay no mind about this, while magazine for women and tiktok generations tend to have minimal paneling and huge ass speech bubbles.
>>8073433b4: 250 × 353 mm (9.84 × 13.9 inches)you mean as a two page spread?
>>8073440No, 1 page of B4.
>>8073447Here's CSP's default B4.
>>8073237Bro... Did you really change your mind on what comic you're working on AGAIN?
>>8073391You know you can just quit once you can buy the tools you need, right? It's not like you get a job and then you're locked in for life.
>>8073447>>8073448damn 14" tall page?shit is huge
>>8073357Definitely a step in the right direction. I do have some more suggestions, some with a higher priority then others. I made an edit for comparison. One that I definitely think should be implemented is cheating the light logic a little bit and applying it to the other girl. Even if actual light wouldnt be hitting her given the lamps location you dont wanna lose her in the darkness. Id also keep the starry night sky still closer to what you had it originally, cause now with the contrast of the darker landscape it creates a good contrast with a brighter top half of the composition as opposed to the dark as shit bottom which is being lit solely by the girls light. The last one that I suggest but maybe not take too seriously is apply more light to the statue too. I say that cause now after doing the edit, having the halo effect around the statue actually looks good. Maybe if you push that it can also look good. I'll leave that to your judgment.Either way though Id say its def' better then the OG one in terms of vibes, if you told me to fuck off and stick with this one youd still be pretty alright(but finish those fucking feet damn it the bitch in the back just got stumps)
I'm kinda shocked I'd never seen a landscape formatted comic beforeSaw pic while scrolling on Twitter and was kinda blown away, it also seems to fit the apps post-style much betterYou guys seen any other examples of landscape comics?
>>8073474fug
>>8073474>>8073476Only good for porn or anything you can't read in public.
>>8073453its one page for a comp, don't lose your fucking mind.
>>8073482But how else am I gonna derail the thread?
>>8073482I'm doing it. I'm losing my freaking mind.
>>8073474
I'm secretly jealous of people who can just write slice of life shit with zero overarching plot and barely anything happening, yet somehow get people hooked enough to pay for it. They don't have to spend years grinding away to make every panel look gorgeous or stress over story structure and pacing just to keep readers from dropping them. They can take the most mundane everyday situation, turn it into some cute little character dynamic, and stretch it across a whole chapter, and people eat that shit up. These people are living their career on easy mode. No elaborate premise, no intricate lore, no heavy narrative lifting, just a handful of fun characters, good comedy, and an endless supply of everyday bullshit to draw from. Meanwhile, I've got zero sense of humor, zero actual interest in the genre, and a brain that's literally incapable of writing or enjoying that kind of shit. I couldn't pull that off even if I tried.
>>8073510>No elaborate premise, no intricate lore, no heavy narrative liftingunnecessary complexity tends to be a beginner trap and it's usually lot less interesting than they think
>>8073510Most of it is just lowest common denominator "relatable" content. It requires little effort to make, but even on the reader's side, there's essentially no barrier of entry. Its also made to be spread all over social media like twitter, reddit and facebook, and a reader can see someone post strip number 572, and not have to read the 571 that came before it to "get it."Also, Slice of life are probably some of the very first webcomics that came around in the early days of the internet. Some of them did have some action/adventure/etc intertwined in, but in many cases, those larger plots were sort of happening in the background in favor of needing little context for each daily strip.
>>8072660I'm going to rape your girls
>>8073510most of the popular western "nothing happens" comics were grandfathered in from the 2000s.
Finally, this nazi shit got canceled
>>8072865Any reason why i'm being ignored?
>>8073540kill yourself mutt
>>8073559I dont know what you're asking
>>8073570He credits a dizzy glizzy for coloring the blood in page 5
>>8072865>>8073574How should we know? Ask him yourself.
>>8073474It's not really any different from simply viewing 2 pages at once. You can format it exactly the same
>>8073457A standard comic board is 11"x17"Some Japs use smaller, but many still draw at that size. One of my favorites has his own custom boards printed at that size to draw onThis is why digital comics/manga have a strange look to people used to reading older ones, the artist is not working at the standard scale or with real tools so their lines are out of proportion to the page and look unnatural.
>>8073540Why they cancelled this manga?
Speaking of page size. If i'm looking for a crude line work. Does it make sense to upscale my page? Like inking it on A5 or even A6 so that the lines look thicker on a monitor?>>8073606>This is why digital comics/manga have a strange look to people used to reading older ones, the artist is not working at the standard scale or with real tools so their lines are out of proportion to the page and look unnatural.Fucking this. I thought, okey, at least i can draw my heta uma manga on my tablet. But the lines looks so uncanny, i think i will have to do it on paper.>>8073580>How should we know?Okey, bro, chill out. No need to get mad.
>>8073618I heard 2 versions of the answer. 1 Woke twitter wone and the fascist was canceled.2 The mangaka had a good idea for a couple of chapters, but after it getting more popular he has to stretch it out, without knowing what to tell in his story. And he softened the edge a lot, that many saw as the main selling point of the manga.
>>8073620I draw trad then scan and clean up digitally. I have drawn some things all digital, but I just don't like the look of it for a page. Working on adding screentones digitally too, I used to ink wash before scanning but that's dicey
Well, the third possible meta-answer is.It was a good edgy manga at the start. Woke twitter tried to cancel it. The author got panic and softened the story a lot. Which did not the woke buy his manga of course. But at the same time the original edge lord fans were mad that he caved in to the woke mob and ditched it as well.
>>8073628We talked about screen tone a couple of threads ago, the main opinion was it only looks god when printed on paper.
Do you think manga making helped you improve your skill in general? I've been drawing so many complex scenes way out of my comfort zone lately. It's been a while since I drew anything that wasn't related to my manga, but I do feel like I have gotten more comfortable with drawing in general. I'm gonna have to draw some more concept arts soon, so I'm gonna take that chance to see if I notice any real difference.
>>8073643>Do you think manga making helped you improve your skill in general?Absolutely. You are forced via your comic's story to draw a ton of things that would be normally way out of the wheelhouse of people who only draw mecha or people who only draw floating anime girl in a void #4842834857. Different random objects, different angles, different emotions and reactions, etc etc etc.
>>8073643I probably would be a better artist if I never tried to make manga and just focused on copying references instead.Drawing from references is way more impressive for the dumb normie because he doesn't give a shit if you practice for years and years to be able to draw from imagination.
>>8073651>>>8073643 #>I probably would be a better artist if I never tried to make manga and just focused on copying references instead.Nah. Mangas better. Its story telling too.
>>8073632Print it, then scan it back in
>>8073761I would assume you would need an even better scanner to scan screen tone, compared to raw line work.
>>8073651>Drawing from references is way more impressive for the dumb normieI showed my comic to my normie friends and they loved it so much that months later I'm still getting messaged once in a while to send them the pdf because they want to show it to other people they know and my comic isn't even especially well drawn
>>8073769You've got nice friends. None of the people I've showed my work irl cares.
>>8073804KEK. Painfully accurate.
>>8073772I can see why
>>8073694Why don't you use references for your manga, you goddamn retard?
>>8073772Yeah most norms don't care about art unless you're willing to draw them
Enough drawing for today. Time to play vidya.>>8073843:^(
>>8073772We care
>>8073769Normies don't care how something is created. They only care about the end product. And if you copy references then it will always look more impressive to them.
There was an anon complaining about text orientation that is confusing because they can't tell if they're reading R>L or L>R.I can't tell if he's serious or not because manga has been doing this since forever.
>>8074279A more recent one.Seriously, what do you guys make of this?
What makes a good or a bad 1st page opening narration?
>>8074279>>8074281What is this supposed to prove, exactly? Hard to tell what you mean without a comparison to what might have been harder to figure out what direction you're supposed to read.
>>8074321Appeal to emotion, maybe. First one works better because it describes a direct connection and shows a related intriguing visual, second one feels too emotionally disconnected with its "it was a dark and stormy night" tier "something...le happened...and now...this is happening." Like it gets the job done but it's so generic.
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>>8074357Didn't that guy later admit he was retarded then tried to save face by saying the rest of his criticisms were still true? Probably not worth engaging with.
>>8072998That bottom panel is ass you can do better
>>8074321On the left we meet the main cast in the first panel, then the main antagonist, and there's like 23 written words. Breddy gud.The right is an opening to a chapter 2, there's twice as much text and no nameable characters. Maybe if the top panel was a different angle of the bottom right one, displaying the hero's face with the robutt in the background.
>>8074362First off fuck you it was an honest mistake and I was thinking of the reverse>>8074281Secondly the pages that you are posting as a rebuttal are in bloody Japanese, and the manga that I was critiquing >>8074357is English. If you are writing/drawing with English as the intended language when doing a Right to Left orientation and after reading a bunch of bubbles that do the typical->...Fuck>You >Faggot-But then you try to do the pure horizontal thing like my Japanese mangas and write>Fuck You Faggotbut your English reader up til that point was still doing right to left reading so in the moment they would read>Faggot Fuck Youand be thrown off cause after jumping from a right to left orientation you now suddenly have to read that horizntal panel like you would in a normal English textbook. English readers can still adapt to right to left orientation just fine in part cause the speech bubbles isolate the text and the words stack on top of each other so its hard to get lost, but small things like this can throw off English readers, and it was more pressing to highlight that for that anons comic cause it was part of a bunch of smaller mistakes and quirks that piled up and made it hard to read
>>8074474literally nobody would read it that way you might be actually retarded
>>8074279>>8074281I just think that anon's complaint was wack. There was some real shonky text bubble placement/reading order issues in the work he was criticizing but that anon went overboard complaining about things that aren't actually problems.
>>8074321All it needs to do is get the reader to turn the page to read more. That's all.
>>8074474>Secondly the pages that you are posting as a rebuttal are in bloody Japanese, and the manga that I was critiquing >>8074357 is EnglishAnon both english and japanese are read left-to-right when written horizontally. It wouldn't have made any difference whatsoever regarding your specfiic issue there. It's on you.
>>8074474YOU are the super retard!
can we stop humoring this spastic? he's already lied about not being an esl latinx. I'm not even trying to make it about that. he just makes stuff up because he thinks its funny to write walls of text.
>>8074474reatard
>>8074484Oh look, a huge fucking break right in the middle of the page that gives the reader a small break making the transition easy>>8074490Oh look, a drawing in the form of a diagram that would have the viewer move around and examine it closelyAlso retard isnt an argument>>8074476Bro it wasnt about it being a "problem" moreso why an editor judging the comic might have tossed it outright given its changes to the format. I could easily not give a fuck, but an editor would>>8074479>dude it would be read the same if the text was written horizontallyStill doesnt contradict the fact that flow is still different for Japanese readers versus English readers cause we always gotta write our shit horizontally and left to right unless your fine just limiting yourself to one word for each line when writing dialogue. The concession to read a manga R to L but still read the dialogue in a standard English way is already a big ask and you wanna make it easyMy priorities might be different from you fags cause I write my shit with literal children in mind so I try to keep it as easy to read as possible. Im sure you guys have a high tolerance, but you guys also arent editors judging however many fucking entries for a contest and losing you patience with every entry you gotta go through. Im thinking through that lense, and I might sound "wack" doing the analysis, but guess what? So are the editors who didnt pick anons comic. I didnt even think it was bad,I thought he had talent, but I also aint publishing it and neither are you fags so Im tryin to figure out why more then anything
Can someone explain why zoomers on social media glazing titles extremely hard. What's the point, i don't get it.Is it genuinly cos they young, and baby thinks his first battle shonen is some otherworldly masterpiece, or what?
>>8074509I'm sure if they were your first or second shounen manga you'd enjoy them a lot more too. You gotta remember these works are targeting a new audience each time. The target audience of Kagurabachi haven't read Naruto. They probably haven't read JJK either. Whatever new series they're talking about isn't generic or mid to them, because it's their first time experiencing this kind of work so it's blowing their mind.And this is the part where you ask yourself if the works that you venerate weren't just because it was the first time YOU experienced that kind of work.
>>8074509>glazing tilesI'm out of touch, what does this mean?
>>8074511you wouldn't don't get it unc
>>8074515Good morning, sir.
>>8074321Much more intrigued by the better art on the right.
Are you ready to make an anime adaptation?
>>8074545>>8074536SAAAAR DO NOT REDEEEMMMM!!!!
Haven't drawn in a monthFinally decided to do some redesigns
>>8074552>porn
>>8074563This isn't actually gonna be a porn workSexual, yes, but not porn.
Writing is too weird for me. I just never know if my stories are interesting enough. My technique is to just come up with some interesting visuals I would like to draw. Then try to think how this happened and logically think of consequences until I reach some visually interesting climax. It's just always so unsure if it's good tho.
>>8074552make her more cute and anime
>>8073459Ok I tried to implement the sugestions. I made Gesche( the blonde girl) standing a bit more but not that much. Brightened the sky specially around the statue and made it a bit more bright too.
Is Kagurabachi really generational?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oT1lfRFEVQI
>>8074604Very nice. The only thing is that one of the girls boots still has that smear of dark colors youre gonna wanna fix, otherwise it all just depends how much more your gonna refine it. No more complaints from me though, good job
>>8074586I think it's important she's a weird little freak, and besides, I've been enjoying drawing doll-like characters a lot lately.
>>8074604Why does the second mini-foid has no pupils, it looks creepy?
>>8074839read that guys manga, if you're going to be on /mmg/ there's a minimum level of take home reading to do
>>8074847I read some of the pages.
>>8074839she is a ghost
I added some stars to this page btw like you guys suggested. I'm not gonna lie, I didn't think it would make much difference but it does look much better.>>8074604Her face looks really damn good anon. Completely different from the first pic you posted.
>>8074925>Her face looks really damn good anon. Completely different from the first pic you posted.The power of rendering is real all along
Thoughts on female sexualization in manga that isn't marketed as an ecchi genre or narou-fantasy style genre?Pic related is The Knight of Blasphemy.It's about a young man from an ordinary background who joins the knights to end the bloodbath between the two biggest religions.It takes itself quite seriously with geo-political conflict and stuff, and suddenly this sexy lady appears.It's serialized in Monthly Young Magazine, a seinen magazine, but honestly, this demography thing is just not relevant anymore, because this magazine can even serialize a Yaoi-bait manga.
working on my perspective/anatomy while I do my short
>>8074978very impressive, maybe i can be like you when i grow up more
>>8074960Based.
>>8074960What a stupid fucking post
>>8074960Rather than "as long as there's a good reason for it," I'm more "as long as there isn't a good reason against it." Her outfit clearly doesn't put her at a disadvantage of any sort, there's no reason for her body not to look that way, and I personally don't mind it, therefore it's fine in my book.
