Hittite edition.>What language(s) are you learning?>Share language learning experiences!>Ask questions about your target language!>Help people who want to learn a new language!>Participate in translation challenges or make your own!>Make frens!Read the wiki:https://4chanint.miraheze.org/wiki/The_Official_/int/_How_to_Learn_A_Foreign_Language_Guide_WikiUseful links:>Free language‐learning book archive:https://mega.nz/folder/INlRkAQC#CthKI9-_kmDNyrOx12Ojbw>Books on linguistics and language courses:https://mega.nz/#F!Ad8DkLoI!jj_mdUDX_ay-8D9l3-DbnQ>Assorted language resources and some nice visual guides:https://pastebin.com/ACEmVqua>Torrents with more resources than you’ll ever need for 30 plus languages:https://archive(dot)ph/x0dFH>Russianon’s list of comprehensible input resources:https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wXd0V32TjCFsr1-F_en_lA4MI-i7JtyYf26cWLtPRec>Massive collection of textbooks on various languages, sorted by familyhttps://theswissbay.ch/pdf/Books/Linguistics/>/lang/ inpoot torrentshttps://rentry.org/inpoot>Refold Anki deckshttps://rentry.org/refoldprevious thread: >>214003721
Is French a relevant language to learn? Answer honestly, no bullshit
>>214065483Relevant in what way?
>>214065483There are no relevant languages besides English and your local languages. English is lingua franca
>>214065483It's relevant in africa
>>214065483French has the greatest literary canon of all languages, English has the second greatest
ty to the german for the deck, shame its not english, could be a sign i should learn german instead? the only anki decks that are actually any good are japanese
>>214066190That German deck is based on the routledge frequency dictionary so you can import the routledge deck and overwrite the German word definitions with the English ones
Easiest way to add audio to anki cards automatically?
>>214065483It's literally the third most powerful language in the world. People here are just dismissive of it because they got filtered.
>>214066904>hindi >knowledge and media #2worthless chart
>>214067262Ever heard of Bollywood?
anyone happen to know what Greek for ソーダ石灰ガラス is?
I don't like how it sounds but whatever >>214067673
>>213952190I saw a woman speaking perfect Korean while I was waiting for the Charli XCX performance. We were almost at the front line. She said she was from New York and had been living in Korea for years as an exchange student. She was super cute btw
>>214067262>he's sleeping on bangers like thishttps://youtu.be/_UVfqA_2pcA
>bengali has a suffixed definite articleWhite confirmed.
It seems to me that video games are seemingly never translated or localized into arabic despite having a huge ass number of speakers and being one of the most important languages in the world, isn't that strange?
>>214070360They can't afford computers. Even if they could they'd insist video games are haram.
>>214070360The Gulf countries speak English, Morocco, Tunisia, and Algeria speak French, Levant, Iraq, and Egypt are shitholes no one cares about. Even Turkish is more relevant for the vidya market.
When I first heard of how Japanese uses kana for grammatical words (like how you generally write こと rather than 事) and kanji for nouns and verbs that are the substance of the sentence, I thought it was backwards, because if English used a logogram, I'd imagine it would use logographs for grammatical words or extremely common words like "a" or "and" or "on" or "them." But then I guess that's because I already know the Latin and Greek and French roots when written in English words and just think of the other words as space wasters when writing notes down.Anyway, I like learning kanji in the end.
>>214070936>if English used a logogramMeant to say something like "if English used logograms" or "if English used a logography" or "a logogram system"
can you learn languages with chronic migraines?
>>214066881Read SICP.
>>214070832Not only that, but someone in a recent thread pointed out how the dialects are very different and not always very mutually intelligible. If so, it might be hard to come up with a single "Arabic" localization that would satisfy everyone.
>>214070360Xenophobia. Certain countries are very racist and their citizens refuse to play video games in English, watch movies in their original languages, and so on.
>>214066881Not something I've personally done, but I remember a Matt vs. Japan video where he showed how he did it. This is an old video, and the program is only for Windows, but at least it gives an idea of how to go about it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IS7WzYICAsk
Ok folks, here's today's French lesson.In French>"I like petite women"is>"Je suis attiré par les petites filles"Don't hesitate to use it while visiting France in order to score
>>214071493Also this video popped up. Maybe it has some useful ideas about add ons.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cy7GvwI7uV8
>>214068111>for the Charli XCX performanceAre you a faggot by any chance? Post tummy if you're twink-ish.
>>214071536Wow, thanks. I love it when French speakers give us these useful morsels of the language we can use to spice up our everyday speech. This reminds me of when I was browsing the /chess/ general and a helpful French-speaking anon shared that when you adjust your pieces, instead of saying, "I adjust," you can look more sophisticated by saying it in French: "je t'aime." Since then, I had the chance to use it in a game with a real French speaker, and I could tell from their face that they were taken aback by my French knowledge.
>>214071100Well, there's nothing physically stopping you from acquiring a language, it's just a matter of whether you can tolerate reading/listening/watching content for at least an hour a day. You can also split it into smaller time chunks and take frequent breaks throughout the day.
>>214065483The realistic answer is that English is so far ahead of everything else that there are no other relevant languages. Very few people around the world learn anything other than their own local/national language and English. There is a good reason for that.
>>214071326Fusha would do perfectly fine, that's what is used in literature and a good amount of native Arabic media anyway. AC Mirage even had a voiceover in fusha.
>>214071646Nepalese posters blow indians out of the water. I feel bad for you for being associated even vaguely with them+
>>214072458>I feel bad for you for being associated even vaguely with themTis a pity for sure but what can one do.
>>214072458Let's get back to the language learning topicI think she's good at speaking Korean because she doesn't stfu, almost like there's a propeller in her mouth.
The more I use Anki the more useless I think it is. I've now set new cards to 0.
>>214074379I'll talk about what I wantZipperhead prick
>>214076184Rape that yellow freak
>>214076184>>214077271samefag
why doesn't "et alors" have liaison?
>>214079814Yeah obviouslySome yank thinks he's clever for saying the sky is blueWind your neck in Cody
Feind - enemyselig - blessedFeindselig - hostileLmao
there are so many youtube channels of attractive young women doing "natural method"/immersion language learning videos, often that started in the last year or 2, I guess it's somewhat of a fad now. at least it's more productive than ASMR
Should I keep my English predominantly American or switch to a full proper Modern Received Pronunciation accent and work tirelessly on perfecting my English grammar and speaking so I can earn the C2 title?
>>214081702Yes
>>214079873liaison tends to manifest where silent letters used to be consistently pronounced in the not too distant past, and "et" must have lost its t so long ago that the liaison was either never a thing or was lost, to the point where old french often spells it as just "e".the transparency of french orthography regressed at some point during its "relatinization", where a lot of words had their spelling changed to give a nod to their latin roots, mostly as a matter of taste and in spite of the spoken language. english has done something similar with words like "debt" and "receipt" adding the b and p back from their french borrowings to resemble latin "debitus" and "recipit".
Don't forget to report & ignore Jordanian flagsExcept for that other Jordanian who is an actual human being, though he ended up leaving here because he overlapped with Jordie so I guess its fine
>>214083400interesting, thank you
i saw a man get battered by the police and then arrested today.how was your day
>>214085987Strange that he was arrested and not eaten.
>>214083403Jordie is essential for the /lang/ community.He provides two important services:1. Comic relief2. Making you feel better about your progress, even if its slow you still did more than Jordie
Real talk, should I abandon Japanese, Chinese, Attic Greek, Russian, Danish and Sanskrit and only learn French and German? I wanna write my novel in English, so I'd need to build a huge vocabulary beforehand and this would probably take years to achieve. I do consider my English pretty good, but I'm still not at the level of writing good literature in it.
>>214087485abandon g*rman too, only french is worth learning
>>214087485Yeah, you should abandon language learning entirely.
Where can I learn Mexican Spanish in particular?
>>214087656>>214088256I'm fucking serious, you midwit charlatan hacks.
Should I learn Russian? Will I regret ever becoming fluent in Russian?
>>214087485If you intend to write something in English, work on English ONLY.
>>214088746What's your level?
>>214089208Yes
>>214071536
>>214090023Beginner
>>214088746LA, its the native language of the region.
>>214090779Español a la Mexicana How to Spanish Podcast
>>214090824Thank you
>>214091138Once you get more advanced, I recommend listening to Mextalki. They teach you how to use Mexican slang
>>214071100Hello, rare nigga. Do people in your cunt use the thaana script?
>>214091720Thank you fren
first time in a long time of silent reading a chapter in mandarin and not feeling like shit. pinyin carries. total gamechanger. i cant believe ive spent nearly 1000 hours reading in mandarin without this. it literally makes everything readable even if you dont understand. fuck bros. now i can realistically achieve reading 20+ books a year.asked chatgpt to make a script which edits epubs to add pinyin. zlibrary plus chatgpt ultimate combo ftw.
>>214092666forgot image
>>214092666Should I just read romanized korean? I feel like I would progress 4x faster
>>214092747if your phonetics and subvocalization are good. the thing is i spent a couple dozen hours practicing my pinyin recognition and probunciation when i first started to help me be able to subvocalize in a standard accent. this us actually really easy with mandarin because the possible phonetic outcomes in the language is like 1600 or something compared to english at 5000+. idk what the amount of phonetic possibilities in korean is like, but if you want good pronunciation and vocalization id just put in the work to learn the phonetics/alphabet anyways. and honestly the korean alphabet is so much fucking easier than hanzi where you literally need an external source to know how to pronounce it.but above all else, if reading korean in romanized form gets you spending time with the language, then just do it. just beware of developing your shitty accent
scrolling through youtube comments, saw 2 comments in russian and read them perfectly. how big of a fuck up did i make giving up on russian for french? at the beginning of my language learning i think i only wanted to know a language for the sake of knowing another language. someone drop good french or german decks plz
>>214065075looks like the kirkhammer from bloodborneheh...gamer alert
>>214093123I just read hangul slower than the average 5 year old while I read at warp speed otherwise.I already have 1k+ hours of korean listening so I would assume my phonetics are decent?
>>214093144I think I can read and follow german quiet well, but can't for the life of me write or speak in the language. Also I have nothing to show for it, but for french I at least have some college courses, which are useless.
>>214093279go for it. the biggest thing for me is not having to look up words just for the pronunciation. im at a point where i can learn vocab through context, and having the subvocalization be there without having to look it up helps speed up the process
can anyone judge how good this woman's German is? she says she's French so I'm just curious if she's close to a native speaker or has an accent or somethinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NVfd3JBQyo
Im learning French and gonna take some university courses as well
>>214085987why didn't you help him
>>214087485>Sanskritwtf, did you guys know there's a Sanskrit wikipedia? I knew about the latin one, but didn't expect there to be any for other ancient languages.
>>214092682Wtf kind of book are you reading nigga
>>214097420There is ancient greek and classical Chinese as well
>>214097538>ancient greekhttps://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Ancient_Greek_4surprisingly there isn't. The request to make one has been denied by the wikijannies four times. There is an incubator though: https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/grc/%CE%9A%CF%85%CF%81%CE%AF%CE%B1_%CE%94%CE%AD%CE%BB%CF%84%CE%BF%CF%82
>>214096252because i assumed he probably deserved it and i've been vindicatedhttps://cascais24horas.pt/detidos-por-agressoes-e-roubos-na-praia/
>>214088256Some of the best advice you're gonna find on this website.(Unfortunately I have bought into the sunk cost fallacy and so won't be following it.)
Worse consoantal entity ever?
>>214066904I am quite good at the french language. I would dismiss it however because of France. Absolute shithole. Quebec is okay. African colonies I care not.
>>214099936
>>214070360Videogame publishers would have to make specific versions that remove the gay plot lines and also make new models for all the female characters with appropriate attire. Too much work to justify.
>>214099936Voiced palatal nasal
>>214070360they all speak English or French
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>>214092747No, everything in Korean is written in hangul and reading romanized Korean would just take away your time spent reading hangul, which would in turn mean you can't get any faster at reading it. Just keep reading in hangul until you're good at itt.expert who doesn't know a lick of korean
Do you ever use the fact that you are learning a language to flirt with women in that language? I always get people asking me "Hey, are you learning Spanish just to talk to Mexican women?" Most say it jokingly I guess. But realistically, I guess I am and am not. Like it was never my goal to learn Spanish SPECIFICALLY to speak to Mexican women. However, I do like Mexican women and I will definitely use the Spanish I know to communicate with that in that capacity if I feel that they are interested. But I never use it as a front. Like I will never ask for Spanish help as a front to flirt if that makes sense. Do you abuse the fact you a learning a language to speak to more women?
my wife chino... I WANT TO FUCK CHINOplease chino is so cute my wife chino is so cute chino chan sex chino sex with chino i'd like some more kafuu chino sex with chino kafuu chino my wife cute is so chino wife
bro wtf were the tamils on. there are three ways to write the உ (u) and ஊ (uu) diacritics
>>214099936Greek γwhy does it have to be some weird shit instead of normal g like in Attic Greek
Spanish or Portuguese
I can't pinpoint why I don't want to hear the accent of the woman who's speaking at three minutes 45 seconds.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0Xrj1ILCHw
Can I learn a language by readmaxxing?
>>214106929Sure.
>>214106929Yes. The easiest way is using Lute or Lingq. Lute is both better and free though.
>>214106966How's the German AI book reading going?
>>214107188I've never understood what lingq actually does besides yomitan + coloring words.
>>214106727chinese kiwi accent
>>214107747I mean, I don't know what makes this accent specifically, you know.
>>214107792what? what does it make it?
>>214107309I got through about a 100 pages of it before getting bored. It was readable but I could feel I wasn't retaining much of it because it's quite dense and technical. I could never learn much from textbooks anyway, I have to get my hands dirty and actually implement and play around with the algorithms to get a real feel for them.
>>214106929>>214106966>>214107188Lol, fucking liars, I read 100 hours of French and I can't even understand a simple book like L'Étranger without using a dictionary and taking 1h per chapter.
>>214108278shoulda done the nature method.
How should I tune my practice for learning Spanish? I am finding that I can't understand the Spanish in a lot of these Reggaeton songs until I start reading the lyrics. Like my mind can't hear the words they are saying without the lyrics on my screen. When I have the lyrics in front of me, I can understand a lot LOT more. In what way should I be practicing to hopefully not need lyrics to even understand?
>>214108278You gotta start small. Graded readers, children books, YA novels, etc. If you can't read Harry Potter comfortably, forget about reading L'Étranger without having to stop to look up words constantly
>>214107374Idk. I use Lute. But I’d say what it does is massively reduces the mental barrier to entry for reading by reducing visual clutter, and tracks what you know. Basically, if I picked up a new language, I probably wouldn’t get much out of reading native texts day 1. With Lute it makes deep textual analysis much easier and more approachable, and as you progress it makes it easier for a text to stop being intensive, and become extensive reading practice.Lute isn’t Yomitan tho, it looks up words in whatever dictionary/thesaurus/sentence analyzers you customize it to. But you build your own pop-up dictionary. It also stores every single time you have encountered a given word before in a sentence bank.Basically it takes all the distracting parts of reading a new language and makes it as efficient as possible so you can focus on reading.
>>214108377FYI even some native Latinos have a hard time understanding Bad Bunny Listen to more Puerto Rican content I guess
>>214108278100 hours is not a lot
>>214108278I suggested a reading program that integrates a dictionary you fucking retard. Also if you speak Portuguese you have no excuse to not be able to struggle through French.
I need more spanish boomer metal like this.
>>214092666>pinyinngmiyou are cheating yourself.
>>214092747no. romanisation is a cheat you don't need. if you can be taught the sounds of korean using audio and hangul then you never need romanisation. especially for korean where the sounds and the alphabet are sorted week one (quicker if not retard). romanisation if for textbooks where as you have the option of audio and hangul.
>>214106929no. you can learn to read a foriegn langauge by readmaxxing but reading is less than 1/4 of the language
>>214099946Are you familiar with other languages? If so, which one would you recommend as worthwhile?
>>214108278reading French is the easy part, there is many cognates with English and the grammar isn't too bad. but pronouncing it and trying to understand what French people are saying, that's the nightmare
>>214111105>Are you familiar with other languages?Yes, German and Czech.>If so, which one would you recommend as worthwhile?The only worthwhile language is the one you intend to actually use. Everything else is wasted time. I do think its quite a fun hobby though - but you need to be somewhat familiar with the nation that speaks the tongue you like or you will probably start to feel like you wasted time when you see what its really like...
>>214106929Yes. Reading is basically just SRS if you think about it.
Hey bros. I start an A1.2 German course at an official language school on the 1st of September and I'm kinda nervous.I did the placement test for the school online and it said I'm at an A1.2 level so that's what I enrolled in but now I'm paranoid that I'm not at that level and I'll get in and not understand much of what's going on. My experience with German was doing Duolingo and Memrise daily for about a year but I that was about 3 years ago. Since then my only time "learning" German has been exposure through living in Austria and words my new German gf has taught me.I can order food with a little difficulty and have no problems with numbers and asking very basic questions. Is this enough? Am I retarded and just overthinking things?
>>214106929You will not speak fluidly or recognize it from voice-to-ear, only through reading.
>>214065483France is not relevant outside of the Francophone world. They used to be; not any longer.
>>214100026Oignon and champagne.
>>214114893France will rise again
Try this :>I see you>I salute you>I talk to you
>>214115324Doubt it. The Germans broke their minds in 1940.
>>214112947>A1.2 levelLol, relax bro. That's still just being a complete beginner except they probably skip how to say hello and introduce yourself and that kind of shit.
>>214107374>>214108444don't listen to him, become a Learn With Texts chad instead
This MA thesis discusses the effects of using an online game on the English language skills of upper secondary school students using the MMORPG RuneScape. The empirical part of the thesis is based on the case study conducted among 14 students aged 17-18 at Tartu Jaan Poska Gymnasium in which the students played RuneScape once a week for four weeks and were later interviewed to learn about their views on using commercial games in a conventional classroom environment and whether they thought RuneScape was suitable for language learning.https://dspace.ut.ee/items/4412d9ba-2fee-4f61-8b04-331268e5985d
>>214116208This is how my Hungarian friends learnt English and it worked for them.I unironically think you could get pretty far by only playing vidya if you have enough patience - maybe not so much for languages very unlike your native though.
>>214117336This is how I learned English too. This explains it well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pc6wsfidf-cI wonder what's the best thing for Japanese. There's ton of vidya in Japanese of course but it's important to have proper structure so you can actually discover on your own what everything means
>>214104569Somehow I doubt whether learning to speak like a retard to women in their native language is the best strategy to attract women.
>>214070936>>214070970I don't think they count as logograms but English does use & as one of the most common words and it comes from latin etso you're not that far offimagine if it borrowed even more of these https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scribal_abbreviation
>>214112947>my new German gfHow can I get one? Any tips?
>>214116208>>214117336>>214117474If you set your Roblox to your TL, you will automatically be put in servers with others with the same language settings. It's a relatively new feature.
>>214116208I learned a lot of English playing RuneScape
>>214118799what's your original language
>>214118846Lithuanian
>>214111457That's what happens when you try to learn a language without learnings what it sounds like first
>>214072458Uh, Nepal is based, sir. Not sure what you're yammering about, habib.
>>214076184WTF is a zipper head?
>>214088256>>214098824Why are there always doomer faggots on this site? God, why not kill yourselves since you advocate for doing nothing of merit with my oxygen.
>>214120339A gook, there's no way you haven't heard that in some Vietnam war movie.
>>214120667I haven't. I'm (unfortunately) American but I don't sperg out over race so I'm not in those circles that use those terms. Not Koreans nor Vietnamese have any zipper-like qualities on their bodies.
>>214116060Lute is actually just “Learn using texts” and it’s basically just LWT but with carried on development since the LWT project is defunct now. They’re very similar.
>>214120735If I remember correct it's because their heads would split in the middle when shot. It's not exclusive to any race but it did originate during the Vietnam or Korea war so it became associated with them
>>214120735>Not Koreans nor Vietnamese have any zipper-like qualities on their bodies.>Fromm Wiktionary: Used by soldiers during the Korean and Vietnam Wars; multiple hypotheses exist as to the specific origin. One is that if an East Asian person were shot in the middle of the forehead with a machine gun, the head would split as if being unzipped; another is that the appearance of tire or tank tracks on a body which had been run over by a military Jeep or tank resembled a zipper.
>>214120339Zipperheads can be Koreans or Vietnamese. It comes from fighting them in war, from the pattern left by wheels/treads driving over corpses.Gooks are Koreans. Comes from American GIs hearing Koreans say “Miguk” (America) and misinterpreting that as “me Gook.”It’s funny because Zipperhead has such a brutal origin while Gook essentially rose from a harmless misunderstanding.
>>214120377It's just a dumb time wasting question poster. No matter what advice you give them, encourage them or tell them to quit, it really doesn't matter. They're just happy that you gave them a (You) and acknowledged their existence. People that are serious about language learning aren't asking dumb questions like whether they should study 8 languages at once or just focus on two, they know what they want to do and they're doing the work.
>>214120823>>214120856>>214120876Ah. Didn't know that. Thank you. Brutal origin though. Like goddamn. Running someone over with a jeep or tank? That ain't it. >>214121697I know. I've been using this site for years and every once in a while a troll will mildly irritate me. I have a contempt for doomers and people who don't improve, despite having the tools to do so. If you can't handle language learning that's fine, but don't project that to others. Let those of us who are serious about it do the work.
Does anyone know if the Chinese QQ group referenced on the wiki is still active?
Study Old Norse
>>214122040Idk I deleted qq because it's like 5gb and nobody in China uses it that much anymore (among young people at least)A /Lang/ wechat group should probably take its place
>>214122802I do have WeChat so that would work. I'm a nobody around these parts so how do we get one set up? Assuming there is enough interest.
>>214076184sorry
Holy fuck why was I even contemplating dropping Japanese?I am insaneI'm going to delete my Japanese anki deck and start over again but I will NOT drop JapaneseI'm going to go read some Yotsuba to now or rather よつばと!I just deleted my deck, hallelujah
japanese had more than russian in 2020 has it change as of now?
any french success stories?
bump
does someone know a website to stream korean tv shows and/or films for free?
>>214126842i know the german internet is reasonably big and everything under the sun gets translated into german, but i wasn't aware that it makes up for that much that's kind of crazy
>>214127385Ask me in a year>>214128998If I'm looking for some info on wikipedia, I often out of curiosity check which languages the page has available, and on the rare occasions that it isn't available in German I'm very surprised.
>>214099936pharyngeal fricativesuvular consonants, on the other hand, are satisfying and rich to pronounce
>>214130371homo!
Put in the work lads. Fluent in no time.
>>214128964I do. But I hate German flags.
>>214133083nothing to be done about that then
>>214133349If you beg like a dog I might post the link.
>>214133583>>214133349
Where is a park being mentioned in this sentence?
>>214134927It's implicit.
>>214099936Uvular ejective affricate
>>214134927Probably AIslop translation and it filled in the gaps with imagination.
Should I take the opportunity to learn a rare/exotic language that will likely be useless (in a practical sense) next semester or keep going with Spanish?
>>214136247do you want to learn one of the rare/exotic languages they offer? do you like spanish? this is one of those things that you know best
>>214136247Yeah you should learn Estonian
>>214136247what language?
>>214136640I am curious to learn/experience something a bit more out there but I don't dislike learning Spanish by any means. It's really more so that if I don't sign up for the course this semester then I probably lose my only chance to do so. >>214136675Unironically I would, but they only offer Russian here.>>214136718Chamorro
>>214136868>Chamorroi had never heard of this language before now, neat. i won't tell you what to and what not to learn but if this is your only chance, and you want to experience something a bit out there, why not?
>>214128964Try some of these:https://old.reddit.com/r/FREEMEDIAHECKYEAH/wiki/video#wiki_.25B7_drama_streaming
how are you guys using LUTE?i feel like it's unnecessary to link every verb conjugation because it's a lot of work, so trying to figure a good way to use the parent linking feature to make it useful
The indo-aryan languages are actually pretty interesting, it's a shame they have such cringe speakers.
>>214138454There's no way to do it automatically, if that's what you're asking. You have to link every single word form to the parent word manually. It's tedious but it does force you to slow down and take your time with the text.I don't personally use LUTE because I prefer Language Reactor's reader because it lets you do instant lookups without having to add your own definition. I don't care about saving words so I only use the free version, but the premium version claims that it marks all related words.
I skimmed through the links above but didn't see a book about changes from old to classic Latin, is there any book like that?or a book about Old Latin similar to Vulgar Latin By József Herman
>>214127385no because the french are a failurenow, learning french success stories ? yeah it's literally posh englishi HAD TO study french in the university, during the last semester I could write essays in the class in french (with no translator or a computer with spellcheck) and give oral presentations and suchI forgot all of that because it's a very useless language here
>>214140444Why did you have to study french?
I remember someone in one of these threads posted a link to I think a mega folder or something full of texts in Spanish, ordered by their reading level from A2 to C2. I downloaded this when I came across it, but I lost it.Does someone still have it?
Does anyone unironically use anki? Unironically, no troll, does anyone here use it and what's their take on it?
>>214142588I've been using it for 5 months, I don't like it I don't think it does much. People advocating it are delusional because "number goes up". I'm going to taper it off and only use it for words I've already acquired through immersion from now on.
>>214142588Used it for like 4 months, completely useless, you're better off writing the words you learn down on a paper and look at them from time to time.
>>214141396we had to pick 2 foreign languages, but in my campus only english and french were availableso not really a choice
English already is quite an analytic language with virtually no conjugations and declensions so English would straight up use the Chinese script and no kana.
>>214127385When I was 12, I had a school trip to Paris. I ordered a crepe with chocolate sauce in impeccable French. I got flashed by an old man a few days later near an aquarium. France is a weird place.
>>214142588i use anki. it's just flashcards but digital. use it if you were going to use flashcards but wanted them on your phone or computer instead. they're just flashcards.
>>214142588I find myself using anki decks, but not in Anki. I wrote an add-on to export content I actually wanted from decks and then wrote another program to use it in. Something about anki just pisses me of. It is such a chore to use. The piece of shit I made keeps me consistent, which is all that matters really. Same content in something that looks visually better goes a long way. Its like a furnished cozy bedroom vs a psych ward padded room.
>>214142588Yes it sucks if you use it the standard way, but audio sentence cards are like a cheatcode for getting through B1 hell. It has diminishing returns though.I stopped using it for French because I found that it was becoming less useful and I think I can just brute-force input the rest of the way to the finish line.
>>214141824I have the mega link but it doesn't work anymore (removed by user or TOS). I zipped up what I had saved on my computer and uploaded it. I believe what you're looking for is in the "Paco Ardit" folder.https://anonfile.co/FkIt8dqfbhkSps8/file
>>214142588I used it a ton when I learned russian (english native), and it did help getting over the first big bump (several months), now its just a waste of time.I'm trying to use it for georgian now, and its really not very helpful.
>>214145192if you put in the effort to make audio cards its great though. I did that with serbian and it seemed pretty good
>>214108677Not metal but rockHope I'd be to your likinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzimletXB7M&list=RDSzimletXB7M&start_radio=1
>>214136030https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uvular_ejective_affricateKiwi scream song
>>214065075it shall be french. where do I get the best anki decks for french?
>>214142588Honestly, I hate it but there's nothing better on the market. It helps you build up that initial vocabulary but you have to input along the way and make sure you actually encounter the words you're learning otherwise it doesn't really stick. >used it for German until ~6k cards before dropping it, felt like it helped a lot as I was climbing the ladder of graded readers>for Spanish, did only 1k, felt like it was enough and dropped it, got me to native content pretty quickly>for French I didn't bother and I think it slowed down my progress overall>for Russian I got half way through a 5k deck before realizing I was going through the deck too fast and that the new FSRS algorithm is giving me less reviews overall but worsening my retention, so I dropped it and plan to restart the deckSo overall, I think it's helpful, but: you have to input and you have to pace yourself, especially with more difficult languages.
>>214142588I used it to revise for an exam entirely based on recognition, which it worked great for, but as soon as I stopped doing it I think I forgot most of the words
>>214108677they sound like this to mehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7q1jN7k5lghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51cZsDsVOqchttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43S_qfT6vpothere's a band from galicia that's more metal but I frgot its name, I guess looking for galician metal you could find it
>>214142588I don't really care for it, the setup and method confuses meHowever learnjapanese.moe told me how to set it up and the settings/mods I needed for it to be useful with the kaishi deck and it's been pretty alright. After having someone else help me set it up I like it a lot better.Making my own deck sucks
>>214147027You're doing Russian?
>>214108377>I am finding that I can't understand the Spanish in a lot of these Reggaeton songs until I start reading the lyricsnobody does, I'm caribbean and I can't either, you have to be 24/7 drinking in a colmado in da hood to get it, and then you'll miss the slang from other countries anyway
>>214143890>>214145192>audio cardscan you guys explain a little how you used audio cards? i'm curious.I would use them to record myself speaking sentences i couldn't understand very well, and then would listen to them later to try to identify all the words. But there are probably better ways than that.
>>214147450I was doing Anki and some minimal input for several months but I'm taking a break now.
>>214138454>>214140051Is there a tutorial or explanation somewhere of how you are supposed to use these intensive reading programs? Why would I "save" a word, why would I create links?
>>214148228There is a site here that is pretty complete. Probably you want to watch the 5 minute demo.So far i've been creating terms and tagging them to capture certain parts of speech that i have trouble with or don't always immediately recognize (prepositional phrases, phrases that indicate the start of a conjunctive phrase, etc) also using the term creation and tagging to tag new phrases that i'm not familiar with so I can later make a flash card formemorizing the grammar pointsite - https://luteorg.github.io/lute-manual/intro.htmldemo https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7X3OkcljoCk&source_ve_path=MjM4NTE&embeds_referring_euri=https%3A%2F%2Fluteorg.github.io%2F
>>214147674I watch content dubbed in my TL and if I don't understand a line then I make an audio card using a python script I wrote. The card is TL audio -> TL text.I can't post the script but it is so simple you could have an AI generate it, just tell it to use ankiconnect and take a video and srt file and timestamps as input.
>>17943172/his/ is absolutely fkin retarded
>>214148978>>/his/17943172im also apparently
>>214149083shameful dispray
>>214149083>>>/his/17943172
>>214092666>pinyin carriesand then you learned the related characters, right?RIGHT?!
>>214149222thank you serb bro
>>214092666>asked chatgpt to make a script which edits epubs to add pinyin.The real game changer is using text-to-speech. You can read books using the ttsu web app with microsoft edge and get free high quality text-to-speech voices.
What happened to the Chinese study group?
>>214150210does it do speech to text?i think i need a way to get subtitles from text when i don't have them.
>>214149083Pretty embarassing.
>>214150702I think there are wrappers for whisper.cpp to do that.
>>214142588To get most of the value from Anki, one would have to make one's own cards and that the most time-consuming bit.I think I've learnt a fair bit of French words, but some of them I am yet to encounter again.That having said, Anki is incredibly efficient in primary memorisation, but one would have to continue going through cards for months so that one would encounter the word again in a different context and reinforce the memorisation of the word.BTW, stupid question, but when Americans refer to cash, they don't necessarily mean actual banknotes, but money that isn't credit/borrowed, i.e. buying a house with cash is not buying it with a giant sack of money, is it?
>>214151639correct, in the context of buying a house “all cash” it means you aren’t taking a loan
मुझे पानी चाहिए।
>>214149222>>214149083in the year of our lord 2025 there are still people who believe in strong sapir-whorf
>>214142588The absolute state of /lang/
>>214149222Japanese also doesn't have a future tense they manage just fine.
What's the consensus on TL -> TL cards in anki after reaching a high level? As in writing the definition of the word in your target language, rather than your native language. Is it more efficient and helpful or is it a meme?
>>214152787I wouldn't bother with it. You're going to learn most of what a word means and how it's used through real context. For a flashcard, the most common translation should be enough.
>>214138454>i feel like it's unnecessary to link every verb conjugation because it's a lot of work, so trying to figure a good way to use the parent linking feature to make it usefulWhat I do is if the conjugation and parent form is patently obvious I’ll just hit “W” to instamark it as known and move on. If I do definitions, what I’ll do is properly define the parent form only, especially for verbs, so that all I have to do to “define” an inflection is to link it to the parent form, and then if I want to I can add the conjugation information depending on whether I feel it to be necessary.Generally speaking it speeds up dramatically if you just get a good workflow and get used to the hot keys. So only define the parent term, link everything else to it, is what I would say.>>214140051Doing it manually beats studying grammar tables IMO.
>>214148228It’s highly customizable and flexible so you can choose whether or not to utilize a given feature pretty much entirely depending on your own approach. It’s all meant to help you, so if it feels like too much, then do less.For my part, it suddenly made looking up definitions/grammar near instant, so it actually improved the amount of time I spent just actually reading.
>>214152625>t idiot who can't read or follow simple instructions.
>>214152625This is input country now
>>214152625>pfffft… why would you spend an hour a day reading when you could spend an hour a day staring at individual words out of context instead
I installed Lute, this is about 4 hours worth of entries, but of course it includes blank entries (words I really 100% already knew) and proper names. Reading with a popup dictionary itself acts as a frequency-moderated SRS system.I can actually export this as an anki deck whenever I want.
>>214155861>durr why use supplementary tools when you can bash your skull in on a rock instead
For example, here's the sentence data for invenio and connected terms I have encountered so far. Provides a lot of data long-term on usage, and serves as sample sentences if needed.
>>214156325>bashing your skull against a rockI guess beginner readers, pop-up dictionaries, and reading applications don't exist then?>>214156313>>214156375
how do you say "strawman argument" in your TL?
>>214156375i just started using it today. it's kind of neat. I'm not sure how valuable it will be -- i'll have to try -- but i think it is already helping a bit with fixing the problem of reading and telling yourself "uh, i basically understand this" because it makes it really clear when you only understand 80% of a page.
>>214156763I think there's a big personal mental block with reading, and that the "vote of confidence" I'm getting from Lute is helping a lot with that.I was skimming ahead in the gospel today to clear out all the proper names (so I can get better data). Otherwise I am only 500 words in, and I'm already encountering multiple verses in a row where every single word is stuff I know. To some degree this just speaks to how repetitive John is though. But yeah, when you know 80% of a page, it lets you be confident about that, and parse that quickly, so you can focus on the 20% you do know. That's profoundly useful as a total autodidact with language learning. 80% comprehension goes from this really unfun slog where half the sentences are basically unintelligible (because of missing critical uncommon words) to suddenly being relatively easy. It's like before 85-90% was the amount of comprehension where reading felt productive, and now I feel that it can be productive reading as low as like 50-60%, or even as low as almost no words (but it becomes vocab study at that point rather than reading).
>>214156447Reading with a pop-up dictionary is basically just unoptimized spaced repetition
>>214156936If you really think about it, listening, talking, and reading is all just unoptimized SRS. So to be truly optimal you should just get a 100k anki deck and work through it.
>>214137813thankies, i will
>>214147674literally just press this button and upload a file.audio automatically plays when it comes up. I add audio and text. Im not doing serbian anymore but over the couple of weeks I experimented with it I feel like it only took a few repetitions to really memorize stuff, and I haven't forgotten the little bit I did music and tunes make memorization much easier, its a constant in human history, its how people memorized all thelongpoems back in the day
I would like to sing in TL for my music projects but due to a severe tongue deformity, I can't pronounce a rolled or tapped r. It's physically impossible without surgery. The pronunciation is otherwise perfect. Can I edit my voice recordings and artificially add rolled r's? Would it work well enough?
i was thinking of learning german. or greek seems pretty cool too. i suppose a romance language would be easier considering i already know spanish.
I made a vague mental survey of what languages people here are learning and elsewhere too.I've certainly narrowed the foreign language that I would learn if I decide to go with it: German. For real this time.I am lost on whether to work on my spoken English (learn linking, intonation, rhythm, etc.) or learn German as a foreign language (I've learned some of it before).Should I:>Improve my spoken English (A).>Master German from scratch? (B).Please, genuinely reply to this and give me advice (either (A) or (B)). Tell me why, and I might just learn a language after all.Completely honest. If this gets troll replies then I lose all hope of actually socializing with this general. I want to change from an indecisive dabbler being made fun of here to a genuine learner who shares his insights.Thanks.
>>214159149Or, maybe do (B), and after a few years (after I solidify my German), do (A)?I am still naive in this regard. Is doing both even possible? Or would it interfere?I am not trolling I swear on my life.
>>214159164Leave the method and the process through which I will master (A) or (B) to me. Just help me make my choice. Will it be fun?Will it be useful?I am genuinely interested in the act of language learning itself, but I feel some kind of mental complex from all the demoralization I've been exposed to here. When I tried to learn German for reals in a real life class, I outperformed everyone.
why do people learn the asian trifecta i thought everything worthwhile in korean japanese and chinese were already translated into each otheris that not true?
i feel like english speakers don't perceive the diphthong /eJ/ to be different from french /e/ or spanish /e̞/. like how they often pronounce french borrowings with é like soirée as /swɑˈreJ/ instead of /swɑˈre/ or when transcribing spanish they use ay to represent the e sound even though as a spanish speaker i perceive /eJ/ and /e̞/ to be clearly distinct
/ɛ/ is based /e/ is cringe. do not (You) me.
>>214145192based georgian learnernothing is really helpful for georgian i feel like
>>214160196you're pretty much spot on, but i think it's more of a transcription problem, not necessarily whether english natives can or can't perceive the differences.general american phonology doesn't have the [e] vowel apart from the /eJ/ diphthong, so without using IPA (which most people can't read), the closest you cant get with that kind of "half-transcription" is using the "ay"-syllable as an approximation.
>>214160248is this your way of coping that the speech impediment you call a mothertongue hinders you from producing one of the most common sounds
Practicing my German.https://voca.ro/1dCLxkyweDSM
>>214071536But do petite French women like me? Will they be kind, rude or both to me at the same time?
>>214086969Daily reminder that between the months before covid until now, he still hasn't learned a language.
i would learn russian but russian girls age too poorly
>>214161032I am not going to post here ever again. I was serious that I am considering learning German. I wasn't joking this time and I lost all hope of being able to normally participate here without some faggot chimping out with some cheesy Jordie post.
>>214152625shut up ankigoon
>>214162313See you tomorrow
>>214137813this was very helpful, thank you
>>214162313man we're just trying to get through the day, don't take it so seriously
>>214160196We're told to pronounce the french /e/ as that diphthong, it was very common in older textbooks and even modern textbooks It drove me insane as well because I struggle to pronounce /e/ but I do perceive the difference, I just struggle to pronounce an /e/ that sounds like a French vowel and not like /ɛ/ or /i/
In all forms except physical, I am Jordanian.
>>214070832>Levant, Iraq, and Egypt are shitholes no one cares aboutRude! But the reason why no one translates it is because Arabic is an infamously hard language to translate content for and our markets are poor af and very very few Arab customers other than Gulfies (who as you've mentioned probably speak some level of English) can make much money for the devs so why spend so much effort for an objectively shitty userbase?
What's the most underrated language?
>>214165640Old Icelandic or Icelandic
After a decade of watching anime and reading manga, I decided to go for the JLPT. I had no institutional background whatsoever in learning Japanese, and only bought (read: download illegally off the internet and print) the So-matome series books a month before the test. And somehow, I still managed to pass N1. It still took a lot of effort and I got a little emotional seeing that little 合格 on my result page.What language should I learn next? I think I have a gift for learning languages
>>214166319Classical JapaneseClassical Chinese
>>214162313Nigger you had the whole Biden presidency to pick a language.
>>214166367Yeah I'll pass for now, I can do with not being able to read Heike Monogatari or the Tale of Genji, but I might still learn them when I'm like 50 with nothing else to do. For now I was thinking of learning Russian, French or even German for their literature.
>>214166319Go for BJT
>>214166602French is great, I love French literatureRight now I'm doing a complete Maupassant read through, I'm about 1000 pages through so far and I really love MaupassantI'm digesting Baudelaire's poems at the same time but slowlyThere's just so much stuff I want to read but I don't know how to fit it all inRight now I want to read>Bernanos>André Malraux>Céline But there are so many authors For some reason I want to read Vigny but I got bored after reading 20 pages of Servitude et Grandeur MilitairesGod I love French so much
Seriously French is either the greatest or the second greatest literary tradition of them all in terms of sheer quantityNow I don't think quantity is all that matters, personally I study Old Icelandic because I love the language but the important thing is that I had ALREADY studied FrenchFrench will not let you down, French is an awesome languagePlease study French
>>214166319I do not believe that you passed the N1 by studying a single month.
>>214167220Subcontinentals are incapable of telling the truth
>>214167009Im studying French :)
>>214160728I'm a native French speaker.Which part of "don't (You) me" don't you understand?
>>214166935Sounds fun>>214167220>>214167520Is there anything else I can do to prove my claim? Or do you find the one month part to be the cause of your disbelief? I can show you the books I had to go print myself, because they don't sell Japanese textbooks beyond N3 in Bangladesh. In fact, I was one of only five people that took the N1 test out of the 13000 who had sat for the JLPT this time.
>>214168299>What is inspect element?
>>214168534You'd have to wait a bit if you'd like to see my certificate with a timestamp. I called the office and they said they're not shipping them until the end of September. Also, I don't really know how to inspect element on my phone, I'm not a computer nerd. And I'm pretty sure the rubric changes a bit based on which exam you're taking. I understand that browns are known for how much they boast about things they didn't achieve, and how it may seem that I'm doing the same, but I don't have much to gain from it. I don't browse /int/, don't even get to spend a lot of time on 4chan either outside of lurking the deltarune general on /vg/.
>>214168664I believe you, Rajesh. So do you like read or hear something once and remember it forever? How does it work? Are you a genius in other areas too or just language learning?
>>214167220It's totally possible if your general Japanese level is good and all you need to do is brush up on aspects related specifically to the test that don't appear outside it too often . N1 is only B2 to C1, which for Japanese is impressive but it's not insane that someone would get there with just immersion and self-study, plenty of people do it.>>214168299>I was one of only five people that took the N1 test out of the 13000 who had sat for the JLPT this time.That's impressive, congrats.
>>214167958i don't care what you are and what you want
>>214168756Thank you!>>214168743>So do you like read or hear something once and remember it forever? How does it work?Not at all. If that was the case I'd have done so much better in some other areas of my life; I'm pursuing an engineering degree at a reputed university here and let's just say being regularly fucked in the ass with a 20-inch metal bar would have been preferable to it. I suppose I shouldn't neglect mentioning that I have been reading manga in Japanese for a while now. I'm even getting a friend to get some volumes of a manga I love (実は私は) for me. They're on a trip to Japan>Are you a genius in other areas too or just language learning?I don't think I am. Or at least, I don't have anything to prove it. My academic results have mostly been average to below average, though I took a SAT once and got a 1500+ score.
Got a positive outlook on life. I'm in my lane learning my silly little language (Norwegian) with a beer in hand. Life is good bros.
>>214169005>I suppose I shouldn't neglect mentioning that I have been reading manga in Japanese for a while now.Wait, hold on now. "A while?" Can you walk us through the whole timeline? When exactly did you start learning Japanese? Yes, reading manga counts as learning... You said you watched anime and read manga for over a decade, how much of that was without English subtitles?
>>214169040I was depressed as fuck yesterday, but this morning I went walking in the forest while listening to French for almost 3 hours and now I feel better.
>>214169110Did you think that he passed N1 just by reading some book for a month without any prior knowledge?
>>214169263Yeah, I thought that's what he was claiming. Passing the N1 after 10 years of engaging with Japanese through anime and manga doesn't sound nearly as impressive as just "yeah i just got this random book a month before and passed lol"
>>214150779>>214148744>>214157701(You) thanks nons>>214156886i think it's gonna be kind of a pain for the first 50-100 pages of reading but after that I think it'll be pretty sweet. I've spent a lot of time just tagging words and terms but after 20 pages i'm spending a lot less time with that now so I can actually readI'm looking forward to reviewing the terms I marked as Red after 50 pages of reading and seeing what i learned ^_^
>>214167009>Please study FrenchNever
>>214169110Hmm, I think I read my first manga (with furigana) in, like, 2020? Since then I'd mostly only read manga in English if it had good scanlation or was behind the raws by a lot. Eventually I had to stop relying on furigana too heavily because the porn/eroge didn't have them. I did some other shit too, like play games like Pokemon in Japanese.I don't know when was the last time I needed subtitles to understand an anime. I mean, unless the dialogue is really abstruse.
what was the thing called that's not LWT but does the same
>>214169587Lute? See...>>214108444>>214107188>>214120749etc.
Im gonna readmaxx to fluency
>>214169713what lang
>>214169861French
>>214167958Candler French makes no sense.
>>214169040>>214169167aestās ferē cedit, amicī. diēs aestuī aliquī erant, aliī diēs humidī, aliī utrumque.
>>214166319do what you enjoy
>>214169680i tried installing w python and this piece of shit doesn't work. from what i've heard the LWT dev removed all downloads for his software. this is so retarded
Fiction like film and literature just don't really interest me. It all feels like strawmen stories made up to support the writers' worldview. I'll happily read some old mythology or folktales because I think learning about the worldviews of ancient people is fun, but idgaf about modern people.Is that take completely autistic and indefensible? Some people irl have been shocked when I tell them that.
>>214171260>It all feels like strawmen stories made up to support the writers' worldviewyou are so close to understanding what a narrative is
