its actually pretty crazy to me that Turkey appears to be a multiracial, mutlicultural country that has effectively zero tension about its identity in the USA, Brazil, South africa there is still a huge amount of racial tension from the history of slavery, unfair laws, apartheid, etc but turkey is multiracial and yet you never hear about any problems due to that. israel too, to some extent. brown israelis seem to have pretty good lives.
>>214600481>mutliculturalwait. just to clarify, I shouldn't have said this. I don't know if turkey is actually multicultural.
>>214600481>in the USA, Brazil, South africa there is still a huge amount of racial tension from the history of slavery, unfair laws, apartheid, etcnot in Brazil
>>214600481Kurds cause trouble semi regularly, sometimes Syrians and other Arabs as well
>>214600521there is no racial tension in brazil? I don't believe you
>>214600481Turkey being a successor of the Ottoman Empire and sort of having a nationalist reawakening during Ataturk helped keep it's relatively diverse at least genetically country patriotic and united, it definitely wasn't fair considering a decent part of the population were babies, young boys, or women stolen from Europe from their families, and they also had other african or black slaves and soldiers imported too that definitely didn't have 100% equal upbringing and lives. I'm pretty sure modern Turkey has a lot of issues with kurds and arabs and other african immigrants in their countries that EU kinda stuck them up with in return for money and other deals.
>>214600521>>214600555Can't be racial tensions when whites don't live with the blacks and segregate themselves in certain areas. Away from eyes, away from heart.
>>214600690have you ever noticed that Turks rarely, if ever, align themselves with racial identites like "white" and "black"? even online I've never seen a turk post about it or discuss it
>>214600731I don't think you know much about turkey. Turkey is a white european country and to tell them otherwise publicly is the ultimate insult. race mixing is unheard of and the idea of a black or worse contaminating their gene pool is a disgrace
>>214600653Erdogan actually helped create the division that Atatürk united. There's great division among Turks today, ignoring kurds and easterner issues.While there always was a division between west/east, city people and rurals, aegeans/balkaners and inlands etc, they were always united against foreign threats.that doesn't really apply today due to erdo, half the country today wouldn't fight with the current regime in power
>>214600977I have *never* heard a turk saying that turkey is a white european country
>>214600731>>214600991They're middle easterners which is its own ethnicity or racial category
>>214600977He meant among turks. Maybe he didn't. But that's what is true, in a way. Very pale turks don't discriminate against very dark turks. The divide in Turkey is mostly cultural, with the pale turks acting/thinking like europeans and being secular and the darker ones being very religious.
>>214600731because in european politics, or turkey itself it has fucking nothing to do with "white" or "black" you mutt, why would euros kill each other for centuries when all of them were white?
>>214600555next to none really
>>214601047so you are telling me the white germanic people living in Balneário Camboriú would feel no tensions whatsoever living around some african guy from salvador? none at all? I mean, you are probably right considering you are brazilian and I am not. can you tell me more about the brazilian identity and approach towards race relations? considering that all of brazilian blacks are desendants of slavery do they not ask for stuff like reparations?? or affirmative action, etc?
>>214600991It's state policyhttps://aeon.co/essays/the-fantastic-science-of-turkeys-whiteness-campaignhttps://bianet.org/haber/race-and-racism-in-modern-turkey-159854
>>214601179it's strategic due to how turks larp as anything depending on circumstances
Turkish people are teeming with self-hatred & hatred towards each other. You wouldn't understand if you didn't live there for at least a year.
ah shit I shouldn't have posted this thread when its 3AM in turkey. maybe I'll post it again in 6 hours
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Turks>White Turks (Turkish: Beyaz Türkler) is a term used in Turkey for the urban population that embraced or directly benefited from Turkey’s modernization. They are often generalized as embracing values such as secularism, Western enlightenment, positivism and republicanism.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Turks>Black Turks (Turkish: Kara Türkler or Siyah Türkler) is a socio-economic term used to describe Turks who are a lower or middle income class. They are described as religious and traditional in contrast to the more secularized class of their country.
>>214601015same in italy. nobody discriminates by phenotype, its more of a north vs south thing. i doubt the average italian or turk is also on the internet obsessing over haplogroups and shit.
>>214600481It's fucking crazy how American manage to be do clueless about the world
>>214601578have you ever been to turkey? because I have and that's what I've noticed. stfu
>>214600989I think that under previous governments the more conservative people were unhappy but they were silenced so basically the tables have turned.
>>214600481Well there was no racial tension in Brazil before the USA's brainrot divisive propaganda.
>>214600989I kneel, o glorious Sultan Erdogan Han, Sovereign of The Sublime House of Osman, Sultan us-Selatin (Sultan of Sultans), Hakan (Khan of Khans), Commander of the faithful and Successor of the Prophet of the Lord of the Universe, Caesar of Rome, Custodian of the Holy Cities of Mecca, Medina and Kouds (Jerusalem), Padishah (Emperor) of The Three Cities of Istanbul (Constantinople), Edirne (Adrianople) and Bursa, and of the Cities of Châm (Damascus) and Cairo (Egypt), of all Azerbaijan, of the Maghreb, of Barkah, of Kairouan, of Alep, of the Arab and Persian Iraq, of Basra, of El Hasa strip, of Raqqa, of Mosul, of Parthia, of Diyâr-ı Bekr, of Cilicia, of the provinces of Erzurum, of Sivas, of Adana, of Karaman, of Van, of Barbaria, of Habech (Abyssinia), of Tunisia, of Tripoli, of Châm (Syria), of Cyprus, of Rhodes, of Crete, of the province of Morea (Peloponnese), of Bahr-i Sefid (Mediterranean Sea), of Bahr-i Siyah (Black Sea), of Anatolia, of Rumelia (Land of the Romans), of Bagdad, of Kurdistan, of Greece, of Turkestan, of Tartary, of Circassia, of the two regions of Kabarda, of Gorjestan (Georgia), of the steppe of Kipchaks, of the whole country of the Tatars, of Kefa (Theodosia) and of all the neighbouring regions, of Bosnia, of the City and Fort of Belgrade, of the province of Sirbistan (Serbia), with all the castles and cities, of all Arnaut, of all Eflak (Wallachia) and Bogdania (Moldavia), as well as all the dependencies and borders, and many others countries and cities.
>>214601294Pushed term by retarded neo marxists
>>214602409why u awake
>>214601154>some african guy from salvador?Black people have a "kill all crakas" gene that activates when in the vicinity of somebody a few shades lighter than them. So the said Germanic dude better submit his bussy or his wife's womb so nobody gets hurt (jk)Real talk doe. Do anglos, north euros, actually, seriously cannot conceive not be constantly in fight or flight mode when in the presence of somebody from another race? Seriously the Portuguese/Spanish/Italians have being around blacks/arabs from antiquity all the way to present day and they never displayed this psychosis gringos seems to posses as cultural trait.
>>214600989Ataturk didn't unite them.He literally banned the Kurdish party and made the parliament a fascist dictatorship.Then he got his friends to make another political party to larp as democratic.
>>214601276you'd only get more conflicted answers. The thing is while people are kinda conscious about it, mainstream just refrains from talking about it.>>214601496the thing is its very much related to race hereIt's just weird, I don't get it either
>>214603220I don't trust a single fucking number that lynn produced
>>214601276I never sleep
>>214603294there is more than just lynn's study, it's out there if you look for it.
>>214600690>Can't be racial tensions when whites don't live with the blacks and segregate themselves in certain areas.That's literally how America works and there's still racial tensions.
>>214601031The term white was invented by Europeans to distinguish themselves the other side of the med. Ask yourselves why that term is a thing.
Turkey has some sort of elite upper class that scores unusually high on math and IQ tests, who I assume are the reason for the differences between them and say Mexico.
>>214600481there's no racial issues because all ethnic groups (even most kurds) call themselves turks and are too retarded to understand that it's a national identity and not a raceit used to be very multicultural but it's a regional thing and with the internet and people moving into big cities that's slowly dying, the culture is pretty much the same now everywhere except in small villages, and in kurd regions because some of them refuse to even learn turkish
>>214600481There is zero tension in Brazil. All racism is fake usa propaganda.
>>214600481Lol call a Turk Arab (they don't deserve the word; they're far worse) and watch how they crash out and seethe about how "WE'RE WHITE WE'RE NOT ARABS!!!!"
>>214607060maybe you would've preserved your own culture and history if you did the same
>>214600555There is. He's full of shit
