why don't more Irish people speak the Irish language?
>Eithne Pádraigín Ní BhraonáinKino name
>>214628167cute enya
>>214628240>>214628773it's a very interesting sounding languagehttps://youtu.be/oC_BZtXfs4Q?t=209
>>214628167the eternal angloid destroyed them
>>214629796>The British destroyed the Irish languagethrough centuries of oppressive policies, including legal bans on its use, the imposition of English in government and schools, the forced suppression of Gaelic culture and education, and the denial of property for non-compliance. Legislation like the Statute of Kilkenny (1367) and the Administration of Justice (Language) Act (1737) formally prohibited Irish in legal and public life. A mandatory English-only state education system and the practice of punishing children for speaking Irish further accelerated the language's decline, particularly during the 19th century. this is evil
>>214628167The Welsh did it. They probably just can't be bothered
>>214628167They don't really speak english eitherhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CONaEO8ZCe8
>>214630579powerfulhttps://youtu.be/3VA9vuId3ds
>>214628167It's generally on the rise, especially amongst the youth nowadays. There are some problems, namely that it isn't taught well in school but other than that people do genuinely feel that they should know it, so many end up learning it. It's also really cool as a language and all govt services are available through it so no big downsides to using it. Only problem then is jobs in Irish, of which there are none. Is you'd like I can write out some basic guides for grammar or some vocabulary? I could also showcase some of the unique parts of the language.
>>214630544The welsh barely resisted you lads. The Gaels did. This is also why Manx and Scottish Gaelic are also highly damaged, as well as Cornish.
>>214632022im cornish and we just gave up too, our language is dead lol
>>214628167It was a near miss for us too, we had a choice between German and Russian. You are already half-Swedish speaking so Finns don't count.
>>214632095Yep, the Bretons are basically you chaps but went to France before that happened, if you're interested I'd look into Breton as a language as it's alive and is mostly the same as Cornish, then maybe at revival projects, of which there are some. Manx is pretty much the same story as Cornish. Both it and Scottish Gaelic (which isn't dead dead) are practically dialects of Irish, not really separate languages.>>214629587This is a pretty good example of what the language is meant to sound like, as a lot of modern learners only know how to pronounce things as in English, so you'll hear a lot of approximant /r/ which does not exist in Irish normally. As well as generally the loss of the Slender/Broad (palatalised/velarised) consonant sounds and some seimhius.
>>214632132>You are already half-Swedish speakingSwedish-speakers are like 5% of the population
>>214628240how do you even pronounce that?
>>214635308It's fairly straight forward once you get some rules1. The Hs soften the letter before them2. A consonant next to an i or e is pronounced with a bit of a y (in English, j in most languages) sound. Some vowels will only be written to indicate this and are not pronounced because of a rule that you don't need to know if you just want to read and not write.3. The í ó ú é á are just long, so like ii oo uu ee aa in finnishThen it's just about knowing how each letter softens.Therefore...E = eth = hn = ne = eP = pá = aad = dr = ra = ai = not pronounced due to rule mentioned in 2.g = gí = iin=nN = ní = iiBh = v/w (dialect difference)r = rao = ii (related to spelling rule and old Irish words) n = ná = aai = not pronouncedn = nThis name is actually very straight forward, just that th is a h, bh is a v/w and ao is an ii.So "Ehne padragiin nii vriinaan"Eithne Pádraigín Ní BhraonáinQuite simple in reality
>>214635756fuck i forgot the i in Eithne, it's unpronounced like the other ones
>>214628167Because even though it looks and sounds cool it's not all that useful. People aren't willing to spend lots of time and effort on something that isn't useful.
>>214633272I heard you lads learn it in school, why even bother? Swedes know English so just talk to them in English.
post gaelic songs
>>214637447Because not everyone wants all countries to turn into Bob Amerikansson
Cucks to the mighty Anglobvll, imagine speaking the language of your colonizers lol. We don't count we ARE Porvtugal
why dont fins speak more finnish?
>>214637551https://youtube.com/watch?v=gE2ti8meW-s&pp=ygUUZGVhbiBjYWRhbGFuIHNhbWhhY2g%3DHow's this for ya, I've a lot more if it's not to your liking
>>214638991https://youtube.com/watch?v=30Vt67JCTDM&pp=ygUSdGVhbmdhaWRoIG5hIG5nYWVs
>>214639012https://youtube.com/watch?v=yWGVRxJOKw8&pp=ygUodGhlIGJlc3QgaXMgeWV0IHRvIGNvbWUgbWV0YWwgZ2VhciBzb2xpZA%3D%3D
>>214639051https://youtube.com/watch?v=3q3ofvyvARw&pp=ygUOb3JhbiBuYSBjYWlvcmE%3D
>>214639065https://youtube.com/watch?v=HxR2RKM3Vy4&pp=ygUUcm9zYyBjYXRoYSBuYSBtdW1oYW4%3D
It's not convenient and people in any country are generally lazy and dumb.
Because they aren't as resilient as the jews of Israel were in reviving their lingo
what is stopping them from reviving the language like israelis did with hebrew?
>>214639128https://youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lRHqIMvKF0G8Z06q6JkGdxjWHu7bnDDFY&playnext=1&index=1https://youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kvJVf0mSsaAvQkB6pS_CStoawccuigCpIhttps://youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mgeJTxopC4HYVGY03JXYMZF1cvz3kAqys
>>214639237Incentive mostly, Israel got a huge benfit of getting a whole load of people from different areas amd having them need a common language. The language is doing ok though, it's not really dying now.
>>214639239https://youtube.com/watch?v=aQ5fotIT8Z4&pp=ygUNaW5nZW4gZ2FkaGxpZw%3D%3D
>>214639148>>214639237The universe glitched
>>214639270https://youtube.com/watch?v=x7jW5qDexnc&pp=ygUXaHVnIGFpciBhIGJob25haWQgbWhvaXI%3D
>>214639334https://youtube.com/watch?v=nY8A1tEaU2g&pp=ygUccyBnYW5uIGd1biBkaXJpY2ggbWkgY2hhb2ltaA%3D%3D
>>214631958yes please
it's crazy how literally every single major social problem is because of england and yet england still refuses to acknowledge what they did to destroy ireland but will turn around and give luxury apartments to random ngubus and whoever else
>>214628167I went to ireland and it really just feels the same as the UK. Im aware of how hyper offensive this is to an irishman but the realitg is that that modern Irish are simply Anglo-Irish who've continuted to displace indigenous pop even after revolution. In practice, Anglo Irish and Irish are two separate cultures.The stats about irish language gaining is fake. Scores of Anglo Irish are learning a smattering of the language, but the actual Irish as a culture are in a complete extinction spiral with very few parts of ireland having a functioning level of Irish as a real part of the community.Add to the fact that Anglo Irish have cucked themselves with multi culti ideology which is effectively just another form of anglo wage imperialism, and this just compounds the free fall of the Irish language
>>214639344https://youtube.com/watch?v=gWe8eotofRA&pp=ygUPb3JhbiBuYSBjbG9pY2hl>>214639386guides or showcase unique?
>>214639423You're right about it feeling the same as the UK because it pretty much is, Ireland has been practically completely dependant on the UK since independence and our wildlife is effectively the same, however some areas namely in gaeltachts do look distinct. I also wonder where you even find stats on irish language, my experience is in people simply speaking irish in public (dublin) and knowing people who are learning it.Though you are right that the gaeltachts are only diminishing, which is indeed truly a shame.
>>214639496https://youtube.com/watch?v=MbB7Mn2TDnA&pp=ygUTY2FzYWRoIGFuIHRzw7pnw6Fpbg%3D%3D
>>214639560Switching to stuff everyone learned in primary school, for some reason (not that that's bad)https://youtube.com/watch?v=bCHyKWvxAY0&pp=ygURZHVsIHNpYXIgZHVsIHNpYXI%3D
>>214639596https://youtube.com/watch?v=5xr_iIb23as&pp=ygUYb3JvIHNlIGRvIGJoZWF0aGEgYmhhaWxl
>>214639620https://youtube.com/watch?v=Ag99KDfF9Q8&pp=ygUPYmFpZGluIGZoZWlsaW1p0gcJCbIJAYcqIYzv
>>214639659https://youtube.com/watch?v=30WGu4ePy0c&pp=ygUSYW4gZ3LDqWFzYcOtIGJyw7Nn
>>214639689back to other oneshttps://youtube.com/watch?v=PjPkbIjV6GQ&pp=ygUWbyBjYWQgZSBzaW4gZG9uIHRlIHNpbg%3D%3D
>>214639738https://youtube.com/watch?v=5PjLOcp0RFY&pp=ygUSYW4gdC1laWxlYW4gZG9yY2hh
>>214639012The accordion continues to impress me, despite already being my favorite instrument.Though this was a bit strange, as I associate it's bleats with the area around the Med. sea.>>214639496VERY odd. It sounded like she was switching languages every few secondsI quite like this onehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lB4gB_c9aRgAnd i'm just noticing you posted it as wellHave you seen The Secret of Kells?>>214639530about the wildlife, have you ever visited an old-growth forest? I've genuinely teared up seeing pictures of them (right after watching Kells). It didn't help to know that 99.9% of them were destroyed
>>214639800https://youtube.com/watch?v=MOe3KrQIh6U
>>214635756The ao thing is retarded, and so is the unpronounced i and the Th. But well, at least you are not french, german, ik ook, polish, danish or swedish with their retarded ö and å...
>>214639820I usually associate the accordion with Romanian/Slavic music, so that's interesting to hear. It's also my second favorite after the bag/uileann pipes Òran na cloiche is Scottish, understood by Ulster speakers when spoken and by any Irish speaker when written. That one is an authentic pronunciation, not sure what makes it sound like she's switching languages. Óró sé do bheatha 'bhaile is also a really nice one, I'm not sure if every school has to teach it but somewhere around the middle of primary school (3rd grade i think for the American system) I learned it and know many who did too.
>>214639984You're kind of right, I tried to keep it succinct so I left out some detail, ao is not always an ii sound and changes dialect to dialect, in some dialects, it is the IPA ɯ sound, which is an unrounded u, because of this it should theoretically be a seperate vowel, but it also has to follow the rules of slender and broad in spelling, and in other dialects it isn't a unique sound. And I also agree with you about the unpronounced i, currently tbere's a spelling rule: caol le caol, leathann le leathann, meaning if there's an a, o or u ("broad" vowels) on one side of a consonant, the other side must either start with another broad vowel, or no vowel. Same goes with i and e ("slender" vowels) So if you need to say banir, you have to spell it so that the vowels around n in this case are the same broad/slender, which would turn it into bainir. I personally think this is retarded and they should simply make it that the consonant takes the slender/broadness of the vowel to its right first, and if there isnt a vowel to its right, then to its left. So banir would still be banir, creaimeacaigh (fake word for example) would become creameacaigh. This would only make it slightly better. Sorry for writing a lsrge block of text lol.The Hs are a grammatical feature and were historically denoted as a dot above the consonant instead, which i prefer. Finally if a more extreme change were to be made to fix the silent vowels i would simply adopt the latvian alphabet. they have the same concept of slender and broad and diacritics to help with it. But this would make the language look totally different.I actually have some examples of what I think would be a good orthography that maintains the grammatical features of the language from a while back:comhghairdeas becomescoṁġar̗d̗asadhmad becomesaḋmadbhuachaillḃuaċal̗
>>214639820Sorry I missed your questions there.I haven't seen The Secret of Kells myself no.I'm not sure if they're old growth but I've been t some that absolutely look like it, Killarney being the first that comes to mind. It is very tragic the state of the wildlife here and in the UK, I personally dislike hill sheep farmers for this reason and generally think there should be more punishment for keeping unused land without rewilding and a system for forfeiting land for rewilding. If a large enough area (leitrim, wicklow mountains, etc) gets rewilded we could eventually bring back both the wolf and bear. Farmers in general cause a lot of harm.
Reminder:https://forum.unilang.org/viewtopic.php?t=24215The large majority of Irishmen can't speak Irish. The majority of those who claim to speak Irish actually speak an English-Irish creole that's currently killing the actual Irish language. Most Irish won't admit this, however.
>>214640708I mentioned something relevant here >>214632365 and yeah this is a problem, a lot of modern learners tend to skip the actual sentence formation and pronounciation of native Irish to instead just say irish words as if they were speaking english. But it's not THAT bad as there are quite a few learning it specifically the native way. I personally studied Scottish Gaelic and Ulster Irish before moving on to An Gaelainn as Mumhan, then finally Galway and I usually tell people learning Irish to try to treat it like you're learning a foreign language, there are new rules for everything, pronounciation, grammar, etc. It is NOT familiar to non natives who didnt grow up speaking it.
>>214640002I have a pretty loose definition of the Med. sea area, so I certainly had south slavs in mind.That assesment was also heavily influenced by the band, BGKO, whose sound is an amalgam of various southern european style, and then some.Unfortuntey, I can't explain why Oran na cloiche sounded odd. My pattern recognition simply kicked in. I think part of it was the "aach" sounds, which had a bit of a russian tinge to them>>214640649The story wasn't too memorable, but the forest scenes were gorgeous. Some old woods of the british isle's are unique in their density of genetic memory-unlocking characteristics, like:>wide, twisted canopy>low canopy>bright green>wet>tastefully rockyYou had a fine ecosystem there
>>214640889Actually, I could reduce that list to:>low canopy>wetFind an example of that, and I imagine you'll find kino
>>214640889Funny you mention Russian, they also have the Broad/Slender distinction in their phonetic inventory. Hurts to see what could've been and once was the majority of the island to be honest. I personally have gone to a few planting and environmental events to help with rewilding, which I may never really see the full effect of but hopefully works out well. I REALLY hate the sitka spruce and lodgepole pine "Forests" that we have here all over the place. Thanks for the discussion, not many people care that much about temperate rainforest climates, so it's nice to see some recognition.
>>214632022>be irish>get independence>don’t provide immersion schools for gaelic anywhere near what parents want>use English for everything>language dies out
>>214639423I said something to this effect to a half-Irish American and he really took offense to the idea that British-descended English speakers are effectively the same broad ethnic grouping. A lot of retarded Americans use their fragmented Scottish or Irish ancestry as a way to larp as something other than le colonist English so they can maintain their sense of self-respect without disavowing modern liberalism.
Simply put, speaking a language is difficult and a massive investment that only a small fraction of people will do for its own sake. To get the general population to learn a language to any serious extent, you have to create spaces/mediums where they HAVE to use the language. Hebrew succeeded because Jews from all over Europe needed a common tongue, and English wasn’t nearly as widespread then, so Hebrew as a liturgical language provided a common ground like if you dumped a million tradcaths onto an island from 100 different countries, they would adopt Latin. Furthermore, doing it young is best, and learning about a broad array of topics in the language gives it serious usability and survivability, otherwise it remains some rustic vernacular. Ergo, the most cost effective, and actually effective way to revive a dying language is IMMERSION SCHOOLS. This is the single biggest difference between Ireland and Wales. By the numbers, if Ireland just met existing demand for immersion schools like Wales does, Irish would be growing proportionally similarly to Welsh. I know Welsh people who are lucky to have one grandparent that speaks some rustic welsh, whose parents spoke no welsh, who now speak fully fluent Welsh on any topic simply because of immersion schools.If any of you Irish on here give a shit about Gaelic like you claim to you will get involved in campaigning for Gaelic immersion programs.
>>214639237People are trying to do that, the problem is Irish still has actual native speakers and a lot of the revivalists seem sort of resentful towards the natives. Instead of imitating native speech, they learn the language poorly from other learners and try to claim it's a valid dialect because they're ethnically Irish. The same thing is happening in Breton, and to a much lesser extent, Welsh.
>>214630579>>214631780It just reminds me of the old priest on Father ted. Can other Irish people understand him?
>>214630544Not really sure why you keep saying this when no census data supports a mysterious jump in Welsh speakers and further most Welsh speakers have been under 18 for the past 20 years...
>>214632365>dialects of IrishIrish people trying not the racist challenge impossible
>>214643127It’s not a jump, it was a ceasing of decline and then a gradual rise among specifically the young. It’s not that uncommon in Wales to have Welsh grandparents with some Welsh, parents with no Welsh, and children with Welsh. Statistically it might look like maintenance of the status quo if the grandparents were just marked as knowing Welsh, but it represents a big shift in trajectory.
>>214629587cool
