Everyone makes fun of Finns for Mannerheim not being a native Finnish speaker, but Napoleon was the same and he spoke Italian as his native language
>>214820308Ok finngolian
>>214820308> and he spoke Italian as his native languageVa te faire enculer débile mental
>>214820488its a factand of course, it wasnt exactly Italian but a dialect but the fact is that the French national hero did not speak French and was not French but somehow no one makes fun of the French for thismeanwhile Mannerheim had the same thing with language and his family had been in the country for centuries
>>214820488It's real however, french was his secobd language.He also had grand plans for Italy kek
>>214820308Askhyallly he spoke Corsican and Italian wasn’t even a language at the time (Risorgimento decided that Florentine is Italian apparently).
>>214820711Corsican is tuscan however. And italian was older than Risorgimento, obviously with the nation state and the introduction of obligatory school italian was taught all over the territory for the first time, and to peasants too. Before that it was still spoken all over the peninsula but only by learned man. For example the official documents in the kingdom of two sicilies were written in italian, not neapolitan.
>>214820634 Corsica is older than your disturbed facgot synthetic construction called Italy.
>>214820758Modern Corsicans descend mostly from tuscan settler who were settled there by genoans after a plague swept the island, I think in the 12th or 14th century
>>214820817> Modern Corsicans descend mostly from tuscan settlerFalse faggot.Genetics =/= langage
>>214821015Corsican literally is a tuscan language akin to florentine
>>214821015>In 2019, analysis of the genome of the Corsican population also reveals a close genetic affinity with the populations of northern and central Italy, while sharing with the Sardinians a notable proportion of ancestry, demographic processes and similar isolations. The analysis revealed that the Corsican population shares several genomic characteristics with Sardinia and north-central Italy, creating a unique blend of genomic ancestry. Overall, the Corsican samples have been found to be genetically closer to the Northern and Central Italian populations than to the neighboring Sardinians
>>214820308Nobody really realizes that napoleon was actually an italian because he wasnt brown like a lot of italians look like.
>>214821015>Corsica's installment into a diglossic system with Italian as the island's prestige language ran so deep that both Corsican and Italian might be even, and in fact were, perceived as two sociolinguistic levels of a single language. Corsican and Italian traditionally existed on a spectrum, and the dividing lines between them were blurred enough that the locals needed little else but a change of register to communicate in an official setting. >When Pasquale Paoli found himself exiled in London, he replied to Samuel Johnson's query on the peculiar existence of a "rustic language" very different from Italian that such a language existed only in Sardinia; in fact, the existence of Corsican as the island's native vernacular did not take anything away from Paoli's claims that Corsica's official language was Italian
>>214821127A few words are different, but for the most you add an u at the end of italian words and you get corsican
>>214821078Yeah ? And so it has nothing to do with a middle age settlement or something ?
>>214821201Nigger, this is a thread about Napoleon. 18th-19th century.
>>214820308Napoleon not speaking French natively wasn't seen as paradoxical since most French people at the time did not speak French and many in the nobility and bourgeoisie also learned French as a second language. French being the sole language of the nation is a very recent development from the nationalist era in the early 20th century. France back then was a country with many peoples and languages and speaking French wasn't seen as a requirement to be French. That being said, people still saw Bonaparte during his beginnings as basically a foreigner, since Corsica had only recently been added to the French crown.
>>214821242Even stronger case then. The Bonaparte noblemen family came from mainland Liguria during the Renaissance, and the surname is still found there today
>>214821242and so? what does this have to do with his nonsense about origins of Corsicans? Napoleon is not a genetic representation of the average Corsican
>>214820488>>214820758>>214821015>>214821201>>214821342kek what's up with this retard
>>214821342>Napoleon is not a genetic representation of the average CorsicanSure. But French was his second language. And on this board, Napoleon is Italian. End of story!
>>214821375Kek va te pendre
>>214821398crois tu vraiment que Napoléon parlait le français comme langue maternelle ?
>>214821342>Napoleon is not a genetic representation of the average CorsicanNapoleon was nit the average framch for sure, nor the average man
>>214821439Beh non attardé ? Où est ce que tu m’as vu dire ca ?
>>214821467ah, tu dis plutôt que le corse n'est pas italien ?
>>214821457It takes talent to leave a country in a worse state than it was before his reign.
>>214821482Je dis que le Corse est une soeur du toscan pour sur mais que j’en ai ras le cul des trous du irrendistes italiens qui veulent tout associer à leur nation moderne de dégénéré
>>214821581Trous du cul irrédentistes *
>>214821525You skipped some history lessons, he saved France from the jacobins and the anti french league, destroyed all the old rusty institutions of the ancient regime, withiut him we probably wouldnt have had the golden age of Europe and the cruel but enlightened civilization of steam and steel
>Corsica mentioned
>>214820308then why people claim he was leader of france? if he started talking french would just shot him which direction italy is in
>>214821636> not a word about France economy, liberty, border, finance and demography
>>214821581You are occupying italian land
>>214821762Those were all already fucked by kings and revolutionaires, unfortunately le petit corporal saved France from being reduced to a puppet or dismembered
>>214820488>>214820758>>214821015the Bonaparte were literally a Tuscan noble family
The french massacred honest italian workers but never touched their ngubus
Corsica was ANGLO during Napoleon's lifetime. It stands to reason that Napoleon was English whilst conquering Europe, Italian whilst being a dwarf, and French whilst being gay
>>214821934Why did you give Corsica back to French control? They literally half genocided the population of the island forcing many into the army or relocating to Marseille
>>214821766The last time you came to conquer us, it was pretty pathetic. Not gonna lie
>>214821581lmao, le degenerates? Holy mental illness, nobody wants to realistically annex Corsica outside of shit posting you fucking retard but your arguments are demented nonetheless, you can't admit basic facts which are objective truths.
>>214821991I wouldnt condone french genocide by our hands. We are not the same. You are evil.>>214821934He was 170cm tall, which was average for the time. Definitely not a midget
>>214821991I've seldom seen a person so buckbroken on /int/
Why do Italians get so upset when you remind them how funny they are militarily?
>>214822024Basic facts ?> Corsican is an italian dialect No > Corsicans came from settlements from 12-14th centuryLmao no.0 fundamental fact, only simplistic or false nonsense from a sick Italian brain
>>214821636>he saved France from the jacobinsthey were all killed years before him though
>>214822272Corsican IS an Italic language almost identical to certain Tuscan dialects, I am from Tuscany and it's perfectly understandable, much more than Neapolitan or Lombard, in Italy we call them dialects but they're languages, and Corsican is an Italic language same as the others extremely close to the one that was chosen as a basis of modern Italian which resulting Corsican being almost identical to Italian, to deny this is being delusional.It'd be like saying when I'm talking my Tuscan dialect I'm talking a language that has nothing to do with Italian, just nonsensical.Corsicans now ARE genetically closest to central Italians, to the point that they fit in within the same pool of all other people that live in the geographic Italian peninsula, which has been a thing since the Romans, not nation so you don't get triggered like a retardYou want to be French? Good for you, I certainly ain't stopping you or saying it's a bad thing.Keep being delusional though for God knows why, this place harbors the biggest retards I swear.
>>214822272>> Corsican is an italian dialect >NoLet's compare the Corsican anthem (which is italian) and its corsican translation:Dio vi salvi, ReginaE Madre universale,Per cui favor si saleAl paradiso.Per cui favor si saleAl paradiso.iVoi siete gioia e risoDi tutti i sconsolati,Di tutti i tribolatiUnica speme.Di tutti i tribolatiUnica speme.Dìu vi salvi, ReginaÈ Matre universale,Per qual favor si sallìÀ u paradisu.Per qual favor si sallìÀ u paradisu.Voi site gioia è risuDi tutti i scunsulati,Di tutti i tribulatiL'ùnica speme.Di tutti i tribulatiL'ùnica speme.Definitely two distinct languages. Can you tell me which one is Corsican then?
>>214822408Im a Sanfedist, they are all jacobins to me
>>214822618Well they weren't considered as such by anyone at the time. I wonder what worth your opinion and your definitions have then
>>214822494> from «Corsican is a an Italian dialect » to « Corsican is an italic language »> from « Corsican are 12-13 century settlers from center italy » to « Corsicans are genetically close to central italy »Thank you my nigga for confirming that the two previous statements were false
>>214823169The difference between a dialect and a language is not set in stone. Swiss German is somehow considered a dialect (or a group of dialects) even though non-Southern Germans cannot understand a word of it. I believe Norwegian is in the same boat.
>>214823169>all Italian flags are the same posterAnd I'm being diplomatic here cause you're an easily triggarable schizo and I want to be niceIf you were a reasonable person you'd understand what I'm saying, yes Corsican is not an Italian dialect cause Italian dialects as commonly intended don't exist, Corsican isn't, Venetian isn't, Neapolitan isn't, but Corsican remains an Italic language closer to Italian than almost all Italian languages, for sure closer to Italian than to French.Again, I'm not saying you aren't French or that you belong to Italy but you ain't special, sorry, you're not Sardinian.Corsican are genetically close yes, you're basically the same, I'm closer to a Corsican genetically than a Sicilian and for sure you're closer to me than a Northern French.Again, I'm not saying you aren't French or that you should be Italian, as I'm part of the Italian nation, you're though undeniably Italic.I'd say the same to a Germanic south Tyrolean that claimed to be fully Italian, they speak an Austrian dia-sorry, completely different Germanic language and are closer genetically to Austrians than the average Italian.France like most European nations is made of a multitude of people, in Italy we have French, German, Greek, Albanian, Croatian, Sardinian etc. speaking minorities, its not controversial.Italy it's not going to conquer Corsica, not now and not in the foreseeable future so I don't understand all this pearl clutching
>>214821015?
>>214820308Napoleon was fluent in French while Mannerheim barely spoke Finnish
>>214823414I really don't understand why you wrote such a long post when there's ( practicly ) nothing in it that I disagree with.I think you are confusing the fatigue of being simplified to Italian> muh Corsicans = Italians, Corsica = Italy, Corsican = Italian with a rejection of the region's undeniable roots?>>214823429« At a finer inspection, out of the 16 Corsican samples analysed, 12 formed a population specific cluster (Corsicans2) in the Southern European clade, related to North and Central Italian group. » https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-019-49901-8 « Specific Cluster »
>>214823966the specific cluster thing whatever, I don't and don't want to dedicate my life to this argument so if you say you are not genetically close to central italians fine, let it be so as far as I'm concernedI'm content we could find an agreement in general
imagine arguing with an idiot on 4chan
>>214824187I think all my points were fairly reasonable
>>214824152> so if you say you are not genetically close to central italiansYall really need to stop making up things I didn't say.This is about the other schizo who invented a delusion about the Corsican population coming from Tuscan settlers in the Middle Ages. If they were such recent settlers, they would be less genetically distinct. I didn't say there was no genetic relationship, fucking monkeys.
>>214820308i've never heard anyone make fun of mannerheim let alone make fun of him because he wasn't finnish first language (ffl)
>>214820817> Modern Corsicans descend mostly from tuscan settler who were settled there by genoans after a plague swept the island, I think in the 12th or 14th centuryThis nigga nonsense, right here
>>214824307>fucking monkeys.You seriously need to chill out man, Jesus Christ, I'm done with this discussion
Yeah whatever have a good day
>>214823966>related to North and Central Italian group
>>214820308>Napolèon mentionedMy time has come.
>>214820308Mannerheim was a Imperial Russian Officer so it's kind of understandable that he wasn't. He had a portrait of Nicholas II in his office as well.Hell, imagine if lenin was brutally murdered in Germany or somewhere else.
Is there any real great frenchman?
>>214827960Arsene Wenger
>>214827960me
>>214830083This guy.
