>>214887927
I've seen interviews on French TV where boomers complain they can't live on 4k€ per month, average net salary is 2.5k€ in France.

>>214887927
>>214888320
what's even more ironic is that a lot of then just did bullshit office or government jobs that were not productive at all, exploiting the actual workers and engineers producing the value, they retired at like 60 and are going to live to the ripe old age of 90 whipping up the struggling young worker, all the while the arabs are having 4 kids on social welfare. not working affords them the spare time to rape and rob the native population too.

what needs to be done is an abolition of the public pension system effective immediately, but people are too retarded to even entertain the thought

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>>214888320
Not to defend them because it's true they're greedy idiots, but it's expensive living in a megamansion when you can't do shit on your own no more. You have to pay the gardener and the housekeeper. No joke.
My grandparents would regularly call us (me, my brother, my mother) to save money on housekeeping and we're starting to resent them because not only do they give us nothing (which okay is understandable because they're family) but they get passive-agressive when you tell them you're too busy for some reason.

I'm on the edge of thinking wether the boomers are stupid or evil. They're stupid because they're not necessarily well educated for the rewards they got and it's sadly obvious they're crippled by mental health issues, on the other hand it's like they're this close to tell you straight up in the eyes they don't give a shit about you or your future. My grandpa literally says all the time he's about to die and he doesn't give a shit about anything anymore, it's sad and at the same time you asshole could be a little bit considerate for what the fuck we do for you. Grandma is the same, she's literally neurotic right now, can't think straight, is an alcoholic and has the mental age of a teenager.

Fucking boomers man. I don't want my boomers to die because they basically raised me but at the same time I know deep down in my heart we will finally be free when they kick the bucket.

>>214887927
>>214888320
>>214888652
All of this is absolutely true. The previous generations benefited from exceptionally generous retirement rules that let them leave very early with massive pensions adjusted for inflation while actual salaries have not kept up with inflation.
They also profited massively from a more generous housing market that let them gobble up nearly all properties and new constructions are very rare (still to this day more than 20% of houses are more than 80 years old, 33% outside of big cities). This let them become massive landlords. Nearly every retiree has at least two houses, many more than 3.
And the worst is they absolutely refuse to share any of their wealth with their own family. They don't help their kids get properties, they don't invest for them, they just sit on their money like a dragon and let the younger generation starve.

>>214888820
>to save money on housekeeping and we're starting to resent them because not only do they give us nothing (which okay is understandable because they're family) but they get passive-agressive when you tell them you're too busy for some reason.
Cut them off your life. Ive never been more stress free ever since I told them to go fuck themselves for this excact same reason. And no its not understandable.

>>214888904
On a construit ce pays espèce de freluquet

>>214888912
Note though that I dont give a shit about any possible inheritance so if you do then should probably not take my advice lol.

>>214887927
makes perfect sense they got 40 years of savings in the stock market

>>214888912
Dude we want the inheritance money, let's be reasonable here. You can't throw the baby away with the bathwater for a slight inconvenience. Family is family.
>>214888904
This is so true. My grandma owned two whole appartment buildings in the old town center until she couldn't handle dealing with the tenants anymore. She was a bad landlord from what I understand, regularly raised the rent with the buildings slowly falling apart.

>>214889041
>any possible inheritance
It's illegal to disinherit a child in France.

>>214889041
But even if you do dont be a cuck to them with "muh family" nonsense. Its clearly a one sided sentiment. Your ideal scenario is that they are locked up in a small room in a retirement house "for their health" and you get the house early. Fuck them.

>>214889101
see >>214889131

I dont give a shit, Im broke and they tried to bribe me back into talking with them with big amounts of money but I told them to shove it but thats just who Iam. Your mindset should still not be "muh family", lock them up somewhere and take their money early, they are clearly on a power trip over you.

>>214889108
Good. No reason to not tell them to go fuck themselves then.

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>>214887927
>>214888320
>>214888652
The younger French actually rioted in order to maintain boomer gibs lamao

>>214888904
I recently read somewhere that about 20 million people in france are technically millionaire. idk how this thing is counted, perhaps on a household basis, so a boomer couple might have a million in assets between the two or them or something like that.

in any case it's not hard to see why, if they managed to buy 2 apartments in nice 30 years ago now those 2 apartments are indeed worth about one mil, but that's just static wealth, not a productive asset like a factory, a truck or even a sewing machine.

in any case them having political autonomy and influence has got to worsen the situation with the demographic pyramid going the way it is in most countries. they're liable to ally in voting with the most despicable parties so long as they get to keep their benefits for the duration of the 5-10 years that they will continue to be alive.

universal suffrage was indeed a mistake, and women, young adults, and old people should be restricted from it in general elections. voting for local council is benign so maybe that can be permissible

>>214888820
>>214889101
>t. satan's grandson
are you from a protestant family ?
seriously my turbo-boomer grandparents are the opposite of that, they let me and my siblings live in the appartement they own, treat us to restaurant, pay for our stuff, etc
my other side are countryside bums, they felt bad about not being able to give us anything
I think most grandparents are at least a little bit compassionate towards their descendants ? idk

>>214887927
>Do boomers rule your country too?
Yes. They stole everything USSR built and now zoomers cannot afford even cars or buying a flat.
People just live and spend their money on irrelevant things, because even if you will be working for 50+ years, you won't earn enough.

>>214889234
you're kind of a brat. crazy mean boomers and ingrate rude brats such as yourselves are 2 sides of the same coin. ironically enough you come from the same genetic stock so if you don't like something about them it's likely that you exhibit those traits too and they will worsen as you age yourself.

not to be judgy or a precher, but life is about overcoming these negative patterns and hopefully producing a next generation that is superior to the current one.

>>214889321
supporters of the socialists are genuine retards going against their own interests, but if the system rewards the whiners, the ones who play office politics and who fake working, why not continue to punnish the working population that is maybe disunited, maybe they're in the countryside and they don't have the apetite for smashing windows in paris or some shit like that.

there's a lot to talk about but all in all the current "democratic" system is fucked up and highly unfair

>>214889394
>starts incelposting
>seethes about my existence a second later
heh, shove it boomerX

>>214889339
You are incredibly lucky. I got nothing from my grandparents. One side cut contact entirely and the other one dilapidated all its wealth shortly before death.

>>214889539
I'm not seething and I'm not a boomer, I have a good relationship with my family and it seems that you're seething about what you're missing.

in any case, like I said, you do you. but if your elders are such cunts as you say they are, you're likely a pretty big cunt yourself

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>>214888320
I saw a newspaper article about a finnish boomer, some educated stronk womynx. She'd been working for 30 years, and living on pension for another 30 years. She was telling the readers how nice it is to travel abroad a few times per year. No kids obviously, but she said she's entitled to her pension because she paid 7% of her income as pension payments when she was working

>>214889543
what did they even do with the money really? I get that life can be expensive and especially the high life, but how much real estate property money can you piss away in a couple of years?

that's the second reason the system is stacked the way it is, some speculators know that boomers can be fucking retarded and selfish so that generates demand for services adjacent to elder care, which are more expensive than they need to be. and there private equity stands to make money, banks stand to gain interest, the state gets it's share of taxes and the younger generation is left with their dick in their hands.

>>214889671
You are clearly seething right here >>214889394
Maybe you feel insecure because you are on a money/inheritance power trip yourself and my existence makes you uncomfortable?

>>214887927
no boomers are poor and miserable. gen x rules the country

>>214889723
real clown shit. in romania the worst offenders are the police, judicial system workers and public office workers (mostly women) who retire early and piss away all their money getting new cars, phones, gadgets and travelling. all the while they did not raise 2-3 kids to supplant them in the workforce because they were too lazy and vain.

>>214889723
>she paid 7% of her income as pension payments when she was working
The most stupid thing here is that after USSR fell, all of the money on pensions were lost.
So now we work and pay much more share of our salary on paying the current pensions. (and most of the current pensions are also very low actually). Instead we get some "pension points) from which will be counted our pension when we will be old.
And some politician tried to count how to get a decent pension for those who work right now. Basically you have to work 40 years with a salary x3.5 of the median one.

>>214889747
My grandmother died and he remarried with a family that took everything from him. Her entire family lived expense-free on his savings until he had nothing.

>>214887927
but is it because of pensions or because of owned assets and passive income?

>>214889791
I dont differentiate, they are all boomers to me lol.

>>214889853
both. and because the real earning power of the average worker has gone down as the real productivity of the economy has gone down.

the peak of the economy lasted from the 90s all the way until 2008.

>>214889889
well the definitions don't really apply here anyway. people born after ww2 lived half their life during communism and had nothing, while in the west they had everything

>>214889807
Boomers paid 7% to pension funds and retired at 60 (in some cases 55 or even earlier). We pay 25% and retire at 70. And that 25% is on top of taxes. As thanks we get lectures from boomers about how they deserve this and that

>>214889964
in ex-commie cunts boomers are dead already and yes they exited the communist system poor. you are correct in that our class of entitled old rich people are in fact the gen X-ers, but the dynamic is the same and we will face the same issues the west is in about 10-20 years.

>>214889995
you have to have solidarity goy, don't you love grandma? this was the entire reason the global economy was shut down for 2 years with covid because the boom booms thought they have a 5% chance of dying if they got the virus so the old politicians though it's preferable to fuck over everyone else, they can ride it out with all the assets that they own.

truly despicable.

>>214889339
>are you from a protestant family ?
kek mine are not but puritan protestant settlers would make honorary members, all they know is "muh work" and power trips. Grandma is the chuddiest cunt ever while grandpa is just a retarded mule that walks on two legs, both seem to think they are entitled to other people's time and effort because they are honorary puritans(which makes them even more honorary puritans).

>>214890079
My grandmother was greatest generation, and I would have gladly paid even more if the money was going to her, but that's not the case. War veterans also deserved much better than they actually got. The issue is only boomers

>>214890079
incel chud doesnt even know if he wants his rhetoric to be about loving grandma or be an ingrate brat kek

>>214890209
I can only assume you're trolling or are a genuine retarded nigger.

>>214890178
my point exactly. with the pension system we;re actually paying for lazy egotistical people exploiting the system, not for the hard workers who eventually retire or our own grandparents.

same with the covid deal, a lot of poor old folks got the shaft, and at least in romania, but from what I know this thing happened in spain and italy too. they got badly equiped hospital rooms and were more or less helped over the other side, while retired high ranking spooks got preferential treatment. at one point we had like 30 doses of monoclonal antibodies in the entire country with a huge waiting list for only the gravest of cases. I heard from an aquiantance that his grandpa got bumped to the top of the waiting list and got the treatment despite having a mild case of covid. it did not surprise me as I knew he was some high ranking retired general who sat on multiple presidential cabinets on made up jobs he was not qualified for.

>>214890209
that's the perversion actually, you stupid fuck. and the boomer electorate along with the young voters eat up this "solidarity" lie.

>>214890505
>incel chud too low IQ to understand how he is being contradictory in his rhetoric
Your kind should really be made to work for nothing till you drop dead. You are completely worthless and a nuicanse anyways.

>>214890642
I could tell you're a stupid nigger when I offered an honest outside perspective into your situation and you got defensive talking about "muh laif's muh laif" like some ghetto rat.

>>214890930
Back to work chud or else your muslim masters are gonna whip you for not paying tribute.

>>214889936
i thought romania is doing great, you where africa tier compared to yugoslavia during the cold war

>>214889322
No there are officially 2.8 millionaire households.
Don't believe everything you read online and that includes this fucking thread. You guys are psychopaths.

>>214891227
Retired hands typed this post

>>214887927
>Austria not in the list
Must be pretty high, too.

Boomers are violently protesting, because they get a little bit less increase than this year's inflation rate. The government is done for.

>>214890079
>this was the entire reason the global economy was shut down for 2 years
This is why I left my commie boomer shithole for Czechia

>>214891253
Please man I'm the guy from early in the thread talking about his grandparents. I like 4chan for the discussions but I don't like the constant shitposting especially since it's mixed with pure undistilled bullshit and misinformation. Okay you feel resentful and everything but you're also blind with rage spewing nonsense all the fucking time.
I'm turning 30 next year I don't want to have to fight against the bitch ass zoomers on top of the boomers already.

>>214891366
>Please man I'm the guy from early in the thread talking about his grandparents.
Go to your grandparents to "help" and just sit around for half an hour and see if the masks slips. Thats how I understood I was naive and that they are on a power trip and that they dont actually need help, they are just whiney to deceive and one up you.

>>214892541
We're not stupid and they're too mentally deranged to manipulate us with such complexity. Knowing them, we wouldn't expect them to be manipulative, it's just they're turning cuckoo. We're not their slaves yet, we just hate seeing them struggle like that and they're too egomaniacal to see it. They kinda take us for granted and it's frustrating.
In my case the gramps are mentally deranged, and I just recount my experience in terms of boomer lifestyle as is happening in France.
I think - well first our family experiences are probably different, not going into details here - and second I think you did wrong burning a bridge you could have well profited from.
What are they gonna do if you call them out on their bullshit to their face? they're gonna fucking die soon. Many many people force their boomers into hospices and leave them to rot, like I said family is family, we ain't doing that here.

I don't understand Greek bro how you could have noped the fuck out instead of fighting them head on.

>>214892541
one up me*

You make your own judgements about your grandparents. I made mine and told them to fuck themselves and ill live in a van without a care about inheritance or family relations or whatever.

>>214887927
>>214888320
Yes we hate boomers. They are perfectly fine letting the next generation suffer miserably if it means they can enjoy a lavish lifestyle during their last few years, and in fact they think the generations that came after them have it too good (they still think you can get a 3k job with no experience and no diplomas by just being bold or something)

All French working whites should protest by moving to work in a richer EU country. Let the government default and then you can come back and scoop up assets on the cheap.

>>214893338
Okay blud but that doesn't sound like a life to me.
>>214893442
I have only started taking political action just by going to protests. The boomers think it's insane, and maybe it's enough to create momentum for them to reconsider their lifestyle.
Because as long as you sit ducks and do nothing the boomers won't react.

My friends you can't flee from your responsibilities forever and think shit fill fall on your plate as by magic.

Both my parents worked full time their whole life so I can't even be mad about pensions or them living in a big house and getting to enjoy life. But I still had to argue with them about the housing market nowadays because they had it rough too, they had to pay 7% interest on the loan for their house and interest is much cheaper today... completely ignoring that none of us get loans at all because banks want to see you have way more cash, most things besides shit like vacations are way more expensive nowadays and wages haven't kept up with inflation at all.
Literally told them how my friends, both working fulltime with a kid, aka the same situation they were in back then, were denied a loan for a house that's a third the size of what they bought and they don't see it.

>>214893326
>They kinda take us for granted
Yea from me its bye bye.
>I don't understand Greek bro how you could have noped the fuck out instead of fighting them head on.
What do you mean? Lock them up somewhere? That would be my word against everyone who is kissing their ass for inheritance o algo. I terrorized them for a while as revenge for fooling me and then cut contact and thats it.

>>214893680
>Okay blud but that doesn't sound like a life to me.
Van life is awesome THOUGH. You can cover yearly expenses with a few months of work after you set up the entire thing. Instead of waiting for inheritance o algo ill chill in a beach and swim and paint and play vydia and whatever.

>>214891210
that was actually a lie and mostly propaganda. some people did bad, others did very well. I could get into the specifics there are indeed communities (abandoned industrial and mining towns) and families who are doing worse now than back then, even if the country on the whole has progressed a lot.

>>214894022
>I could get into the specifics there are indeed communities (abandoned industrial and mining towns) and families who are doing worse now than back then
Good, genetic serfs get the rope.

>>214893984
Oh yeah I'm happy for you genuinely. I used to be a grasshopper but then I took a hard blow to the head and now I'm hard-wired as an ant, that's all.

On the social/cultural side it's boomers being greedy and hoarding wealth, on the economic side it's just corporations and governments working together to fuck everybody else and raise profits.

What is France's secret? By all accounts it should have imploded long ago. The first to muttify and niggify, the most socialist, rootless cosmopolitan. Is it their nuclear power grid?

>>214894162
Nah it's a symbiosis of boomers/immigrants/megacorps looting young working French people.

Immigrant gibs are essentially a megacorp subsidy that workers pay for, for example.

Worker pays -> Karim gets gibs and needs to buy food and housing and clothes -> Megacorp sells these

>>214894189
Tons and tons of government debt, basically the same thing america is doing.

>>214894162
And when you take both, the socio-economic aspect, the boomers are the ones on top of corporations and governments. My grandpa has a lot of stocks he hides in his drawer, he's not very bright so it's falling apart, but he's of the cohort that keeps the system afloat by injecting money into bullshit telecom and media companies that feed us the propaganda and social control. It's perverse.

>>214894319

We have vast resources and a work obsessed population though. Somehow France trudges along.

>>214894189
It takes time. They borrow like 5-6% of GDP per year to even out their budget. Interest rate payments will strangle their budget even further leading to a death spiral eventually.

A 5% hole in their budget every year + 3% of their budget is servicing interest rates alone. And they riot if any politician tries to fix it lol, they WANT to be enslaved to banks.

>>214894358
Interest of French debt keeps rising and rising. They may go bust some day

>>214894243
precisely. the upper class and the ultra lower class have joined forces with the boomers to screw over the working and the middle class because they're too busy working to form any meaningul political opposition.

>>214894050
just fuck off you retarded trolling nigger

>>214894358
Both of your governments have a deficit of about 6 % of gdp. The US can sustain it because of the strength of the dollar and massive foreign investment inflows (especially the tech industry/startups which is single greatest scam anyone has ever invented), while France can sustain its deficit because of the Euro and the support from the rest of the EU.
>work obsessed population
What a meme

>>214894583
everyone can sustain it, there is no such thing as deficit, taking the concepts to their extreme. ultimately you can always just increase the money supply, devalue the currency and pull off shit like that putting inflationary pressure on the current working population, but more than that kicking the can down the road to the next generation. then they will hopefully have access to some miraculous technology that will enable them to pay off the debt at the snap of their fingers.

or so the textbooks say

>>214894989
Thirdies or really any country without a hard currency cant maintain it

>>214895058
if we're being technical about it, they can engage in this kind of policy, just not at the same capacity as a developed economy. the problem is that multinational corpos and richfags vacuum up the newly created money immediately and they do 3 things with them:
send them to offshore tax havens, gobble up essentials such as housing stock and gamble on the asset markets. all of these things are detrimental to the country as a whole, and if a government with actual balls made laws against this kind of behaviour I think that some iteration of mmt might work decently. hell, germany and the us pulled themselves out of the great depression very succesfully by this method

>>214894989
>ultimately you can always just increase the money supply
No you can't. France doesn't control issuance of the euro. In fact, most countries have relinquished this ability and given it to private actors who then loan back then newly issued currency at interest.

>>214895276
the fact that france itself can't do it doesn't mean the ecb is not doing it, keeping france's interests in mind, as well those of other euro users.

the euro has been devalued a lot in the last 10 years, slightly less than the dollar, but still quite a lot. all that inflation, close to 70% is just stealing from those who save in currency. and yes, banks and gubments can absolutely do it if need be. a lot of savers had deposits at 0.5-1.5% rates which is just pitiful, but c'est la vie.

the economy is not productive enough anymore and the states have resorted to scamming their own citizens for the benefit of international corpos, most of them listed on the nyse

Bump

>>214888652
This all isnt a case in serbia or romania chuddie

>>214887927
Yes.
>>214888320
It's exactly how it is. And they think they suffer.