only those that are nativos, mestizos, castizos, or criollos of spaniard, portuguese, italian, or german ancestry can truly be considered to be of iberian-american stock. If you have any other admixture or blood from other countries in europe, africa, or asia you will never be part of the tribe
>>214931868So Vicente Guerrero and Maria Morelos dont count?
an iberian-american only USA will be infinitely inferior to the current incarnate. you all abysmally suck at nationbuilding, as evidenced by every country south of the border
>>214931868Here in Mexico if you have light skin, hair or eyes because one of your parents is white American it's seen as ghetto and low class but if both of your parents are Mexican then it's good
>>214931903obviously not, they were nigsthey were shipped here by the spaniards and portugese to serve us and bow down to us. Not to be seen as equals
>>214932119Fuck off glowie
No
>>214932171>>214932260They'll never be Iberian-American. Nicolás Rodríguez Carrasco would agree with me and he was a Mexican patriot.
>SEEEEENIORRRRR WE WAZ DA SAME EMPIRE PLEASE LET US JOIN MEXICO AND GIVE MONEY TO US SEEENENIOOORRRRR WE NEED TO UNITE Sudacas and gachupines need to get over us. We wont support your broke asses anymore. Go suck chinese dick instead
>>214932999Nobody cares about mexico and we only meme you because we know in your mind we are "rivals" ots watching you seethe is hilarious. Bunch of TV stabbers https://www.infobae.com/america/mexico/2022/12/02/aficionado-mexicano-se-viralizo-por-romper-su-pantalla-tras-eliminacion-de-mexico-en-qatar-2022/
>>214933097Nobody considers south america as our rivals beyond negrobol, and thats only because we rarely get to play with european teams. In day to day situations we look up to America and sometimes Japan for some reason
>>214933160BTW why do mejichangos seethe so much at the word Méjico?More importantly, why do they think writing Arjentina is a flexx o algo?
>>214933254Because we dont write it like that, and misspelling the name of someone is disrespect. Americans have always written it our way unlike ungrateful gachupines and sudacas nigroids who insist with Mejico even in economic summits where their broke asses are getting benefits from our nation
>>214932999>>214933097>>214933160>>214933254>>214933333both of you will be raped by the Catholic Fascist Hispanic ethno-nationalist movement for causing division
>>214933333It literally is an acceptable way of writing it though and doesn't change the pronunciation. Why don't you bitch at the gringos for losing the accent mark and pronouncing it metcicou?
>>214933333By the way this is giving misgendering/deadnaming vibes.
>>214931868>italian or germandont include us in thishere in SANTA CATARINA we are german-italian majority with luso minority and we dont identify as "iberian-american"
I'm jewish and I'm more latino than you will ever be, John Rodriguez
>>214935078our forefathers didn't like jews, you'll never be like us. When our forefathers founded these nations then envisioned them populated with criollos castizos and mesitzos that look like me, walk like me, think like me. They did not envision jews or any other undesirable that was part of the out group >>214934959you're part of the tribe because you were early immigrants + you were under the Luso Empire
>>214935605in a scale from 0 to 10 your knowledge about south brazil seems to be on a solid zerowe are in fact the latter major migrants of all (last 150-ish years)
>>214933421Why is it always American flags saying this shit?
>>214935605Tell me how you speak español muy bueno
>>214936004I was talking about Germans more generally not specifically those to southern Brazil. >>214936155Spanish is my mother tongue, you're going nowhere with that. Also I'm learning German to spite jews. Adolf Eichmann was a great Argentine patriot. >>214936073Because I've lived long enough in a diverse nation to realize that life is fundamentally a racial tribal struggle. (Our forefathers also believed this btw you can tell with how they barred africans from being seen as equals, banned muslim and jewish immigration, banned asian immigration and only allowed spaniard, portuguese, and italian immigration (later germans) that were all catholics). This is why it's my motive to unite all those in iberia-america that are mestizos, castizos and criollos that have european blood from those 4 nations
>>214936380almost all german brazilians are in the south and were not early migrants or under the luso empire (same for italian brazilians except many of those are also in the southeast)since you mentioned the luso empire you can only be talking about brazilians in that part and thus it cannot make sense in any way whatsoever for the reasons i have explained
>>214936558I'm referring to Germans outside of Brazil as well. You do know that Germans migrated throughout the Iberosphere and not just Brazil?
I have all of these.
>>214931868I'm black.
>>214936380Eichmann would think you are a subhuman mongrel
They should have sent 1 milion krauts instead of 250k. This continent needs some bleaching if we hope to thrive in the future.
>>214937644He thought we were such subhumans that he migrated to our nations and lived happily here. And of course he was welcome because he was a German (something that you will never be) >>214937635go back to africa, you'll never be iberian-american >>214937621>>214937703based
>>214937580in my first post i specifically said "german", "italian", "santa catarina">you replied to that by saying we're "part of the tribe because you were early immigrants + you were under the Luso Empire"that was entirely incorrectin my second post i said "south brazil" (where most germans, italians, and santa catarina is)>you then said you were talking about germans more generallywhich wasnt true as demonstrated in the first paragraph above where you replied to the specific things i said incorrectlyin my third post i explained how what you had said was incorrect>and now you are saying you were referring to germans outside of brazil and the iberosphere even though you specifically said "luso empire" and in response to me talking about braziliansagain, theres what i said, theres what you replied to what i said which was simply incorrect, and now you are claiming you said something else, or rather were talking about something else, which was not true at any point
>>214938146>go back to africa, you'll never be iberian-americanMake me. My family has been here from the beginning while you're living in a foreign nation.
>>214931868It all depends how many indigenous people live in the regions before the spanish arrived, the reason why some latin american countries are so brown compared to others is because there was a huge population of indigenous people in the area before and how much the spaniard mixed with the indigenous.In fact, you could say the big mistake of the spaniard was not to do a racial segregation like the british did so everything feels confusing nowadays for latin americans since there are too much racial mix but you can notice when someone is clearly more criollo or castizo
>>214938146We are a mix. Why do you care about being "Iberian-American" when we have a more encompassing label already, it's Latinx. You're excluding the majority of Latin America with your rhetoric, making you delusional.Stay in the US lol.
>>214938264>let me tell you what you're saying I referred to Germans generally and their early immigration to the Hispanic and Luso empire which is why I consider you part of the tribe (italians were even earlier) >>214938379>>214938635>you live in a foreign nation I'm not a stupid goy civic nationalist. I don't believe being born and living in a land makes you part of the people. to be part of the peoples you must of their blood as defined by the people that founded the nation. which is why I don't consider you (a negro) or the argentine >>214937644 (a jew) iberian-american because my ancestors would be horrified knowing you live in our lands >You're excluding the majority of Latin America with your rhetoric The majority of Iberia-America (I reject the term latin american because it was imposed by the french so they could weasel their influence into our nations) are nativos and mestizos which I included. You're just assmad you're not part of the tribe
>>214938760>and Luso empireincorrectmy whole pointim just repeating myself now
>>214938635I doubt we are the same indio as venezuelans, we are quite racist with them, like your averege chileno can say when that guy has a venezuelan face, but also I think it is historical why I quote Praise of the Mestizo (Chileans)Mestizos are well-built, of average height, usually white like the Spanish, so that if it weren't for their hair, which is straight, thick, and black, even after several generations they would not be distinguished from a pure Spaniard. Nor do they usually inherit the broad back and chest of the Araucanian nation from their mother, nor the hairlessness, because they have a full beard. In the rest of their bodies, they are closer to the Araucanian nation than to the Spanish, since they have a sturdier and stronger build than the average pure Spaniard. This is why they are stronger and have greater endurance in the harsh fatigues of the countryside, and why the inclemency of the harsh seasons makes less of an impression on themAs for their spiritual qualities, they can be expressed in a single word, and that is, they draw all the good from both nations. They are obsequious; they are generous, faithful, constant, fearless, loving, affable, extremely cordial, and of beautiful wit. They want to be governed by good means, and bad treatment makes them indomitable. Their inclination is toward the Spanish nation, and it is insulting to treat them for what they are, that is, mestizos.-Felipe Gomez de Vidaurre
>>214938760>which is why I don't consider you (a negro) I would never be called "a negro" here because that's an actually Spanish word that requires you to actually look black. I may look white but I have black blood because I'm Puerto Rican much like all of the Caribbean. So have fun with a giant gap in the middle of your "Catholic Fascist Hispanic ethno-nationalist empire".
I could have another you in a minute, matter of fact he'll be here in a minute baby
>>214936380This, latino reggaeton culture is a kike psyop developed in a lab in puerto rico to turn us into braindead negro copycat ass shakers. secularism has been a tragedy for the Andean indomestizo man.
>>214939144I've meet blond ñuñoinas worshipping those damn rappers and regguetoneros, criollos are going to get extinct quite soon
>>214939144Reggaeton has done more to unify Latin America than any political will ever has, cope. (I don't even like reggaeton.)
>>214939215Fuck you, you guys are the reason why everyone is brown now, fuck reggueton and fuck the caribbeans
>>214939266Calm down, Mapuche.
>santa catarinanot iberian-american, not populated under the luso empire, and a mostly germanic and italic state
>>214939215We used to have distinct traits, now we are all the same thug low IQ worshipers. Reggaeton is the globozambo & kalergi plan for the iberoamericans.
>>214939285Araucanos don't even feel chilean lol
>>214938983you're black you'll never be Iberian-American >>214939340I never said santa catarina was anything other than mostly german or italian who are you arguing with>>214939285low iq negroyou're such a proud criollo castizo or mestizo that you can't wait to shit on criollos, mestizos and nativos the second you get the chance
>>214939414Maybe your culture shouldn't have been so weak it lost to ours lol.
>>214939554Chileans don't have culture, a bunch of huaso criollos who tried to take the samacueca from the elite of the Viceroyalty of Peru, Chile has always do the same shit, they did it with el chavo del ocho, cumbia, rock, metal, anime, videogames. In general people in this country are sponges for the lack of culture and the need to always copy what is fancy and foreigner
>>214939545i wasnt replying to anyone there but only reinforcing my very first post in this thread (that the germans and italians in brazil specifically, which are mostly southern or southeastern and especially catarinense, do not identify as iberian-americans and were not early let alone luso empire migrants)
>>214939545No negué ser mixto porque no soy un /pol/aco delirante. Conozco mi herencia y estoy orgulloso de ella.>>214939703Pues ahí está el problema, es suyo, no nuestro.
>>214939811puedes regresar a africa si eres tan orgullosa de tu herencia porque puerto rico no es para gente como tu >>214939804the italians and germans were early immigrants, some of them even wrote the independence anthems of several of our nations
>>214940053not the ones in brazil
>>214940053>porque puerto rico no es para gente como tuDelirante, me parezco al puertorriqueño promedio y éste se identifica con dos o más razas de las incluidas en el censo, sumando al 49.8 % del total.Eres un gringo sin idea alguna de cómo es América Latina.
>>214940141Ios gringos son anglo sajonesyo soy español, portugués y nativo >>214940101even if I were to concede this (which is false) they were still early immigrants in other nations and that is why they can reside in Iberia-America
>>214931981>Mexico's Capital, Mexico City:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVh9YNTzhak [Embed]>India's Capital, New Delhihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Xlzej8RTTU [Embed]
>>214940297every single thing i said about german-brazilians, italian-brazilians, santa catarina, south brazil, and brazil is true and backed up here (>>214939340)
>>214940297Eres un gringo con crisis de identidad.
>>214937635How is like being Afro Latino? I feel like is kind controversial despite being relatively common
>>214940613>Afro Latinono such think exists Iberian Americans are of spaniard, portuguese, italian, german or native stock (or a mix of them)>>214940436no soy anglosajon tarado
>>214931868I have some french, irish and swiss heritage, but the majority were spainish or italian. Am I cooked?
>>214940343>literally the worst places in brazil (favelas which are ~11% of the country) are equivalent to solid indian cities
>>214931868>mixed race>tribehuh? oh, it's a chicanx thread.
>>214941171Bolsonaristas will STILL complain about communism.
>>214941729left wing people defend those places as if their lives depended on it (their money and political influence does)>"a favela resiste"as if people who want favelados to live in better places with access to food and water, proper sanitation, and isolated from organized crime were evil capitalists who want to send nazi extermination squads to kill le poor brownpipo
>>214941729You might as well complain about everything since your shithole is getting infested by our niggers lol
>>214941944hehe 6th safest place in the world>your shitholeBolsonaristas are derranged! Crazy! They need to be institutionalized and studied for being DUMB
>>214931868>>214935605>free people of BLVCK ancestry who lived here since the 1500s aren't part of the tribe>random immigrants who showed up yesterday are part of the tribeexplain that for me
>>214931868who the fuck are you to say that look at your flagfucking retard nigger
>>214943649i'm castizo >>214942869africans arrived here to toil and bow down to us. the weren't meant to be treated as equals (and you know that)
>>214943867>here to toil and bow down to us. the weren't meant to be treated as equals (and you know that)neither were the natives, retard
>>214943867In the beginning everyone who was not Portuguese was considered to be here to serve as slaves. Later on they didn't care about your ancestry, only your status as a free or enslaved person. Your american obsession with ancestry curiously includes people of indigenous descent for some reason but the indigenous were the first victims of mass chattel slavery in Brazil. The province of São Paulo was built by indigenous slaves.
>>214942869Blacks are obviously brazilian but many seem to go against the existance of Brazil itself. I mean, I get it, its hard being patriotic for a nation that didnt even consider blacks as humans in its early history, but this prejudiced was shared by the whole world at the time.
>>2149443020.00000001% of all black brazilians have fallen for this woke psyop thoughever
>>214944302We never had segregation. If you were a slave it didn't matter if you were black, mixed, native or even white like Escrava Isaura, you were equally considered the same expendable human tool. But in the flipside if you were free the government didn't care if you were white, brown, black, blue, green, pink or whatever
>>214944414I know, thats what makes brazilians woke blacks so enraging.
>>214935078isn't argentina full of descendants of the ex-nazi germans?
>>214943867are you mexican norteño?
>>214944127>>214944327>>214944414kek he left the thread after getting btfo
Cringe, first off Brazilians dont care about “ibero america” and dont see themselves as hispanic, secondly italians, germans polacks are simply honorary Brazilians, Luso, afro and indio are the original Brazilians, these new brazilians from europe have a superiority complex even tho they were imported to pick crops like slaves lmao, the only ones i respect are japs cuz theyre the only ones without their heads up their ass>>214934959More proof that Sulistas = fags>>214937703Inferiority complex fag >>214942869Truthnuke
>>214945062Withouth european settlers this shithole would be Haiti.You like european settlers so much you are in Europe
>>214940613I'm not Afro-Latino, I just meant we (Puerto Ricans and Caribbeans but also other Latin Americans) have black blood.
>>214945062exactly this >>214945172like over half of sao paulo is of partial or full italian descent and if all those people suddenly disappeared the city therefore the state therefore the entire country would economically collapse overnight because they are unironically the lawyers doctors and engineersyou dont even need to be an italian brazilian to realize/acknowledge this
>>214945172No it wouldnt lmao our country was even better off before the immigrant riff raff, also these immigrants were the ones who introduced anarchism and communism to the new world btw>You like european settlers so much you are in EuropeIm half portuguese, from madeira>>214945285If sao paulo disappeared, rio would return to its former glory lol, also if you didnt notice im not saying they arent brazilians or whatever, i hate the ones with superiority attitude
>>214945331>rio>return to former glorylmaooooooooooooooo good luck manoel
>>214945415It was a joke giovanni, anyways ur hypothetical is a prime example of how full of themselves and arrogant italians are lol
>>214940613It feels fine. I'm Afro Latino, AMA. >>214945216If you're not afro latino, you shouldn't be trying to speak for us tbqh, its disrespectful.
>>214945546Most puerto ricans and Caribbean are afro latino to a degree tho
>>214945474>say the truth>youre being arrogant!!!im sorry if this trvke is too much for you to handlehttps://joaofabiobertonha.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/comunita_245_-_especial.pdf
