Why do Russians build like this when they have lots of land?
>>214986355they need to be close to each other because its very cold
>>214986355Saves on building costs and heating costs
>>214986355Capitlistic horrors want to squeeze out all of the money out of every inch of the land and every person.
>>214986355why the FUCK cant our government just build like 10 of these and our housing problem would be fixed
>>214986355some people like to live like this
you should ask china the same thing, developers maximizing unit to sell thus profit.
>>214986718It doesn't fix anything. Here prices on the apartments are probably higher than yours in relations to the salary.
>>214986930Russians all own dachas, no
>>214986667The complex in OP pic is surrounded by empty fields and forests that used for fuck all except mushroom gathering; would it kill them to build some smaller apartment blocks in a wider area?
>>214986965>Let me tell you about your country
>>214986982Why would developers incur more cost for the same amount of profit?
>>214986996I look like thisitalians all live in caves
>>214986997I mean, if people are gonna pay top ruble to live in a bughive, then sure. I guess regular Russian people are just completely inured to living in ant farm blocks, like Hong Kongers or Koreans
>>214986355turks build the same way, strangely
>>214986965Not everyone, but most of the families do. However good dachas and especially around big cities aren't cheap too. Most of the common old dachas don't even have some plumbing. It's just an old small house for recreation with the outhouse on a small plot of land to grow whatever you want.>>214986982>would it kill them to build some smaller apartment blocks in a wider area?It won't bring the same profit. Besides there are swamps around. Maybe they will dry out the swamps and place another building complex like that right next to this one.
>>214986996Go back Ivan
>>214986718If Google Maps is accurate, that building takes up around 0.1 square km, and houses 20,000 people, giving a population density of 200,000 per square km. You could fit 700 million people in Toronto if you built nothing but those. Amazing.
>>214987114>It won't bring the same profit. Besides there are swamps around. Maybe they will dry out the swamps and place another building complex like that right next to this one.That makes sense, I did forget that Moscow and St Petersburg were both built in very marshy and flood-prone areas
>>214986355More efficient to build denser. Just don't go full on Kowloon about it.
>>214987043>completely inured to living in ant farm blocks, like Hong Kongers or KoreansThe alternative to that is everyone renting a house/unit beyond it's rated number of inhabitants or grown adults living with their parents even longer.
>>214987472anthills are the most efficient, should we just model our habitat after ants?
>>214986355It's more efficient. A low density housing area means you need a lot more public infrastructure (water pipes, power lines, sewer lines, roads) spread out in a wider area vs concentrated in one spot.
>>214987487Nigga, almost no one here can buy a house or an apartment. The developer companies feasted on preferential mortgages from the government and rose up prices on more than x3.
>>214987489High rise apartments can work fine and cost effective. In Malaysia, most of our slums were cleared by building public housing apartments and giving them to the slum-squatters. >but but but thats socialism™The Greater Good is served since by doing so, less money needs to be spent in reducing crime and diseases prevalent in slums and squatter settlements.
I can't imagine Russians living in houses, suburban style. They live in concrete hives, like hornets.
>>214987515>Nigga, almost no one here can buy a house or an apartmentWhat's the interest rate on mortgages? 20%? I can't imagine your house prices would be that insane compared to incomes (aside from crazy interest rates)
>>214986797china is 10x as populous as russia, smaller, and has a lot more mountains though
>>214986355commieblocks were built according to planning from some city official, though characteristic Russian villages are also close-knit wooden housing
>>214987709>20%>he doesn't know
>>214987781never seen houses like that in Russia. its always commieblocks or ancient farmhouses that look pre-soviet. that almost looks like an american neighborhood, but the grass is too long. someone should cut it, lawn looks like trash.
>>214987727Worked for japan thoughever, and japan has a higher population density than china. Beijing has a similar population density than fkin Houston. Yet one is an oversized suburb the other is a new york cosplay.
>>214987709>What's the interest rate on mortgages? 20%?20-26%.>I can't imagine your house prices would be that insane compared to incomes (aside from crazy interest rates)The median salary in my city is like ~675 euro. The prices on 1-room apartment in a crappy old khrushovka starts around 26000 euro. The price on a 1-room apartment in a new buildings starts somewhere around 60000 euro.
>>214987925yeah i know they're artificial but even mowing that just twice a month you could have a handsome yard perfect for enjoying the outdoors. you could play football (soccer), or barbecue, dig some up and make a garden, raise chickens and feed them the grass clippings. having a yard has benefits
>>214987996> you could play football (soccer), or barbecue, dig some up and make a garden, raise chickens and feed them the grass clippings. having a yard has benefitsYou can do everything like that without trimming your grass to the 2 cm level.
>>2149880302 cm is too short, that is hyperbole. Maybe on a golf course. if the grass is too long, you'll get ticks crawling up your leg. also obnoxious plants whose seeds cling to you like Velcro.
>>214987962Fair enough, I can see how that becomes completely unaffordable, especially with those interest rates. How's the rent then?
>>214986355Most of Russia is uninhabitable frozen Wasteland like Canada
>>214988110Slowly rising up. I haven't checked the prices since I live with my parents.But from what I've seen before the cheapest would be around ~250 euro without counting bills for water, electricity etc.
real question, how often do you actually use your lawn if you have one?
>>214988071>americans are afraid of grass
>>214986355Why do people want to live in a city with high wages and central heating and all infrastructure and metro station nearby instead of village in the middle of Siberia with no jobs or plumbing?
>>214988172Not American but yes I am. Ticks can give you Lyme disease. And in Europe they can also give you encephalitis, though encephalitis is a possible complication of Lyme's also.
>>214988206Moscow is in Europe idiot.
>>214988206Nigga. My region is highly infested with tick-borne encephalitis. This year 27000 people were bitten by ticks in my region. 9% of them carried Lyme disease, 0.5% of them carried encephalitis.My dad was bitten 2 times on the dacha throughout his whole life. They're don't appear so often on the dachas and in the villages, just don't let your grass too overgrown like anon here >>214987925 said
>>214988313>encephalitisRussians are safe since they have no brain
>>214988736Bit rich coming from a Gypsy.
>>214987278>Entire town population in a single buildingFascinating
>>214986355This is based because now everybody will live next to wooded areas
>>214986355prolly cause they want to get some poon but don't want to free their balls off in sub-zero russian weather. excellent design
>>214988831Bit rich coming from a vpn faggot go post your medals little man
russian state doesn't not build all needed infrastructure around newly built apartments, like they did in soviet times, so developers squeeze every possible m2 in the place around existing infrastructure
>>214986718NIMBY so existing properties doesn't lose value?I lived once in a 12 story building, it was depressing
>>214986355poor developers just want to make some money by lobbying shitty unlivable commieblocks that have paper thin walls and fall apart after 10 years instead of building something nice
>>214986718Not even poor North Americans wants to live like we do in Europe
>>214986355It's freezing and they don't have money to throw down the toilet nigga, this absolutely makes sense if you want to concentrate infrastructure and minimize costs.
>>214986355>Affordable housing is... LE BADDo chuddies really?...
everyone says the lack of bug buildings like that is the cause of the housing crunch in the us but seriously why aren't condos more common? 2br, 1.5bt, 750 or so sq ft, 1 or 2 car garage, takes up the footprint of a 300k home but you get two separate units out of it for like 150k each. Why on earth don't developers do this? it's the exact same numbers/profit as a normal neighborhood but you can fit twice as many people in
>>214986667God, can you please just go extinct already?A century of this shit and it's still "muh capitalists"
>>214994283im retarded if it's a two story condo than it could even be 1200+ sq ft
>>214986355I'm aware that russians have one of those to work and a datcha in the countryside for weekends and retiring
>>214986718Don't fool yourself. I've been to a city in China where the average salary is something like $300 a month and a 1 bedroom apartment in a rundown commie block goes for $200,000.
>>214994324A century of "this shit" wasn't like that. Commies provided actually not bad housing, consider how poor it was. They gave it free for the people and made tons of regulations on how it should be built on the infrastructure, sun hours, the amount of storeys in buildings.Now thanks to "capitalism" most of these regulations are gone, infrastructure isn't being built for such apartment complexes and developer companies squeeze out the profit as they can, using poor materials, building these abominations with 25+ storeys, no sunlight, no parking, no spacing between them, no infrastructure.
>>214995461Bro sure they created their own poverty by forcing their retard system on everyone and killing or gulaging anyone who pointed out how fucking retarded they are, but they gave us concrete hovels at first, they were the good guys because our shitty authoritarian warmongering replacement state with nothing to do with any free market which Putin essentially started by "making an example of" an oligarch for not paying the disproportionate taxes is uhhhh muh capitalism and things are so much worse now than when we were starving (because we are killing hundreds of thousands of ourselves and our neighbors in a pointless war for non-existent slav dignity)Can you please just go extinct already?
>>214986355Because these are their roads
>>214995461trvth>>214995656didnt read
>>214987709what a meaningless chartcurrency collapsing twice doesn't mean housing became more affordable because salaries collapse too
>>214995656I'm not even saying that commies are the greatest thing in existence. They've brought many disasters on us and life was shitty too back then. But this thing they did right.Can you please just go extinct already? You're much worse for humanity overall.
>>214995461right next to that monstrority is a soviet era neghtborhood, which looks a lot less dystopian in comparison
>>214997170ground view comparison
>>214986355commieblocks are cheap to build per housing unit and cheap to heat in winter
>>214986355To restrict freedumps, we do same.
>>214997412Fairly cheap to heat individual houses too, assumed one has district heating available.
russians are too retarded to function without totaliarianism. They love the boot
>>214997170holy kek the people in the one on the right must view the ones on the left as nobility
>>214998501Europe is becoming shit without totalitarianism though.
>>214986355Walking tourhttps://youtu.be/zq9BiQRpmus?si=pUP3THWBDhEeJK-g
>>214986718we're short like 4 million homes dude. it would take hundreds of those.
>>214986355Socialism is making everybody EGUALITARY poor
>>214997170Holy kek
>>214986667>capitalism is the problem!>no, communism is the problem!Synthesis: Russians are the problem.
>>214987709Inflation eats out these
>>214986355idk
>>214986355These apartments have a central heater system where one utility building in the middle has a giant industrial boiler that pumps hot water into the pipes of the surrounding apartment complex to heat them up much more efficiently than if the units had individual radiator heating.That's why you have to build like that.
What kind of retard wants to live at -60C? All suitable places to live are full
>>214988868https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begich_Towers
>>214988182I don't, I have a Tunguskan soul
>>215005031Those builidings in the middle don't seem utilities and they are always in shadow btw.
>>214997170>right 20000+ peopleleft: 2000 people
>>214986718you don't specifically need to build shit like this, you could very simply build more regular houses. the answer though is that they don't want to. the high real estate cost is by design. people talk about the "boomer inheritance" and how we're all going to get houses when boomer die, but they could just build new houses right now. they just don't want to.
>>214986355https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXTixbGjSc4First 5 minutes here its one of the densest and most famously bad onesEastern Europe should start these City 17 tours kind of tourism
>>215009358There is a place called Mexico in Budapest? Also, are these flats actually bad or are they like those old low-rise condos in Seoul where a bunch of retarded white people come and take photos at night like "ugh the income disparity of Korea" but they were $4M+ condos that owners stopped maintaining because they were up for redevelopment soon?
